Remve it...: new member looking for suggestions

[Guest guest]

If you wish to avoid a possible lawsuit after you sell the house,

get a professional contractor who specailizes in the removial of

toxic material to tear the wall out and remove the moldy material.

I suggest you and your family stay in a hotel while this is being

stirred up in the air. If you want to save money, replace the new

wall yourself, but by all means, have the mold removed by

professionals.

If you just cover up the mold just to sell the house, is this really

fair to the future owners of the home? Even " allergy provoking " mold

can kill one who has a serious allergy to mold. Is it worth hurting

anothers health? The house I lived in 3 years ago was a cover-up

job and it about killed me. I am not sure if I will ever be well

again. I did not get ill right off the bat but I slowly started

having probles, like abcessed teeth, breathing problems, dizziness

and etc and etc. By the time we figured out the home had a mold

problem, I was too ill. Neither my husband nor my daughter got ill.

Does this mean it did not harm them? Who knows? Mold is nothing

you want to shut the door to and close off.

>

> Hi listmates,

>

> I am new to this group. I suspect we have mold between a wall

in our house because a leak last December went thru the wall into

another room. We would like to move anyway (even if there is no

mold, we want to move by next summer) & I am not sure what steps to

take in remediation. The suspected mold area is off of a hallway

that we could close off. I am hoping to be able to live in the

house while we repair what needs to be repaired. There are several

inexpensive remedies for molds (ozone, anti-microbial UV lights and

another one that escapes me at the moment). Are any of these worth

looking into? What would some of you experienced folks look into?

Must walls be ripped down? I am saving my money to build green and

do not want to spend the money to turn this house into a healthy

home, just want to make it as good as any other home on the market

if that makes sense. No one in the house is of failing health, so I

am assuming (hoping) any mold we have is perhaps

> allergy provoking but not toxic.

>

> TIA,

>

>

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[Guest guest]

NO of course I don't want to cause someone else to get ill. I am just confused

about statements like " all modern buildings contain mold. " I consistently see

this statement, but obviously I shouldn't rip out every wall in my house to make

sure I haven't missed any.

What test will tell me for sure that there is or is not mold between the wall?

-

jackiebreeze <jackiebreeze@...> wrote:

If you wish to avoid a possible lawsuit after you sell the house,

get a professional contractor who specailizes in the removial of

toxic material to tear the wall out and remove the moldy material.

I suggest you and your family stay in a hotel while this is being

stirred up in the air. If you want to save money, replace the new

wall yourself, but by all means, have the mold removed by

professionals.

If you just cover up the mold just to sell the house, is this really

fair to the future owners of the home? Even " allergy provoking " mold

can kill one who has a serious allergy to mold. Is it worth hurting

anothers health? The house I lived in 3 years ago was a cover-up

job and it about killed me. I am not sure if I will ever be well

again. I did not get ill right off the bat but I slowly started

having probles, like abcessed teeth, breathing problems, dizziness

and etc and etc. By the time we figured out the home had a mold

problem, I was too ill. Neither my husband nor my daughter got ill.

Does this mean it did not harm them? Who knows? Mold is nothing

you want to shut the door to and close off.

>

> Hi listmates,

>

> I am new to this group. I suspect we have mold between a wall

in our house because a leak last December went thru the wall into

another room. We would like to move anyway (even if there is no

mold, we want to move by next summer) & I am not sure what steps to

take in remediation. The suspected mold area is off of a hallway

that we could close off. I am hoping to be able to live in the

house while we repair what needs to be repaired. There are several

inexpensive remedies for molds (ozone, anti-microbial UV lights and

another one that escapes me at the moment). Are any of these worth

looking into? What would some of you experienced folks look into?

Must walls be ripped down? I am saving my money to build green and

do not want to spend the money to turn this house into a healthy

home, just want to make it as good as any other home on the market

if that makes sense. No one in the house is of failing health, so I

am assuming (hoping) any mold we have is perhaps

> allergy provoking but not toxic.

>

> TIA,

>

>

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> All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get

things done faster.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

You can just go look at any new construction and see that the

materials are moldy even before the building begins.

If someone has a response to these materials, should your house be

devalued?

It depends. How moldie was the material? Like the defense always says,

" mold is ubiquous, it is everywhere, we all breathe mold everyday " . Of course

there is mold on building materials, but not typically enough to be a problem

for people's health, even among the most vulnerable of subpopulations. But,

when there is excessive atypical mold, then ya have a problem. This was the

foundation for the Gorman case in CA, where the family received a $22M

settlement. The building materials were not stored properly and the house was

built

with knowingly excessive moldie wood.

Should you have to prove that your house is toxic and worthless,

even if it was built that way, and that it is fairly normal for

houses to have that amount of mold?

Huh? If is a fairly normal amount of mold, then what is the problem? It's

the homes that have an abnormal amount of mold that sometimes have a

devaluation based on being what is known as a stigma property.

When I was out scavenging construction leftovers to get firewood

for my annual Mt Whitney trip, I was slammed by a few pieces.

I couldn't stand to be near just a few bits of what was used to

construct some extremely expensive new houses at Tahoe.

Are you saying this was left over construction wood and free for the taking?

Or it was wood that was intended to be used in the building? How long had

it been sitting in a condition that you were able to gather it as firewood?

I don't think this is a good example of construction wood being a problem.

Pick a better example of what you are trying to say.

When I drive past these houses, they look terrific, but I can't

help but wonder how the inhabitants are doing.

If they start to feel it, who is liable?

Million dollar question. Literally. Was it excessively moldie wood? Was

the construction shoddy? Did the landscape architect call out for improper

grading? People don't get sued for mold. They get sued for not addressing mold

properly, so 'who is libel' is a question with vast amounts of potential

answers.

Is it an " Act of God " for creating mold?

Well, I suppose you could try to sue him, too. But I would probably name

him after the construction or lumber company if I were the unknowing owner of

moldie new construction.

The owners? because they ignorantly bought it?

Sometimes.

The builders? because they don't see anything out of the ordinary

since all their houses are built this way?

Maybe the builder, but not for the reason you give. If all their houses are

built that way, then there is a good chance they have already been sued, and

know better.

The architects? for unknowingly choosing to use materials that can

do this?

Sometimes

The lumber companies? for not being aware that their materials can

be toxic under certain circumstances?

Sometimes. In 2006, lumber companies can in no way feign ignorance.

The medical profession? for failing to detect the problem and warn

society that their houses are killing them?

Oh yea! This one is my favorite choice. Let's do this one!!!!!

Society? for failing to listen to all the people who crawled out of

their houses as visible evidence that something is seriously wrong

in exactly the way the Bible described and warned us about in the

Book of Leviticus?

Sometimes.

Who is responsible? Is is all of us? because none of us took any

responsibility for averting this disaster even though we were warned?

Huh? Who is not taking responsibility for averting this disaster? I think

everyone on this board is pretty much screaming at the top of their lungs for

something to be done. Everyone is doing what they can in a manner they each

individually can, as far as I see it.

, your posts are concerning me lately. I know how long you have been

screaming at the top of your lungs in an effort to make a change. But lately,

I am reading a heightened sense of frustration and futility in your words.

Hang in there. We are just about home. And you have played a major part in

making this happen.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Who takes the " hit " for a moldy house?

You can just go look at any new construction and see that the

materials are moldy even before the building begins.

If someone has a response to these materials, should your house be

devalued?

Should you have to prove that your house is toxic and worthless,

even if it was built that way, and that it is fairly normal for

houses to have that amount of mold?

When I was out scavenging construction leftovers to get firewood

for my annual Mt Whitney trip, I was slammed by a few pieces.

I couldn't stand to be near just a few bits of what was used to

construct some extremely expensive new houses at Tahoe.

When I drive past these houses, they look terrific, but I can't

help but wonder how the inhabitants are doing.

If they start to feel it, who is liable?

Is it an " Act of God " for creating mold?

The owners? because they ignorantly bought it?

The builders? because they don't see anything out of the ordinary

since all their houses are built this way?

The architects? for unknowingly choosing to use materials that can

do this?

The lumber companies? for not being aware that their materials can

be toxic under certain circumstances?

The medical profession? for failing to detect the problem and warn

society that their houses are killing them?

Society? for failing to listen to all the people who crawled out of

their houses as visible evidence that something is seriously wrong

in exactly the way the Bible described and warned us about in the

Book of Leviticus?

Who is responsible? Is is all of us? because none of us took any

responsibility for averting this disaster even though we were warned?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rob and , this is a subect that is very hard to give advice

on. you have to become your own investagater to some point. some

molds are harmless and yes even allergenic molds with cronic exposure

can cause some serious health problems. it sounds like you have some

mold growth in your walls. I'd call around, you should find someone

with some expertize in this area and maybe they will check it out and

provide estaments with little or no charge for that part, get

several. it may turn out to be minor. its just really hard to give

you advice on this. no matter how you handle it, you will want to

disclose it to protect yourself from a possable lawsuit. you really

should have it handled by a professional so you can have records to

include in the sale of the home. the sanding may have stirred it up

and dry spores can become airborne. even with stopping the water

sorce, you still need to get rid of the mold. hiring a pro may be

expencive but may save you from a bigger headacke in the future. good

luck with

it.

> >

> > Hi listmates,

> >

> > I am new to this group. I suspect we have mold between a wall

> in our house because a leak last December went thru the wall into

> another room. We would like to move anyway (even if there is no

> mold, we want to move by next summer) & I am not sure what steps to

> take in remediation. The suspected mold area is off of a hallway

> that we could close off. I am hoping to be able to live in the

> house while we repair what needs to be repaired. There are several

> inexpensive remedies for molds (ozone, anti-microbial UV lights and

> another one that escapes me at the moment). Are any of these worth

> looking into? What would some of you experienced folks look into?

> Must walls be ripped down? I am saving my money to build green and

> do not want to spend the money to turn this house into a healthy

> home, just want to make it as good as any other home on the market

> if that makes sense. No one in the house is of failing health, so I

> am assuming (hoping) any mold we have is perhaps

> > allergy provoking but not toxic.

> >

> > TIA,

> >

> >

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> things done faster.

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[Guest guest]

I dont know but we are all paying the price of it being ignored for

so long. I think lawyers even have a hard time desideing who can be

held liable in some of these cases. it doesn't help that insurance

companys turn theri backs on this. mold is a act of nature and a

environmental hazard no matter what moisture sorce helps it to

grow.

>

> Who takes the " hit " for a moldy house?

>

>

> You can just go look at any new construction and see that the

> materials are moldy even before the building begins.

> If someone has a response to these materials, should your house be

> devalued?

> Should you have to prove that your house is toxic and worthless,

> even if it was built that way, and that it is fairly normal for

> houses to have that amount of mold?

>

> When I was out scavenging construction leftovers to get firewood

> for my annual Mt Whitney trip, I was slammed by a few pieces.

> I couldn't stand to be near just a few bits of what was used to

> construct some extremely expensive new houses at Tahoe.

> When I drive past these houses, they look terrific, but I can't

> help but wonder how the inhabitants are doing.

> If they start to feel it, who is liable?

>

> Is it an " Act of God " for creating mold?

>

> The owners? because they ignorantly bought it?

>

> The builders? because they don't see anything out of the ordinary

> since all their houses are built this way?

>

> The architects? for unknowingly choosing to use materials that can

> do this?

>

> The lumber companies? for not being aware that their materials can

> be toxic under certain circumstances?

>

> The medical profession? for failing to detect the problem and warn

> society that their houses are killing them?

>

> Society? for failing to listen to all the people who crawled out of

> their houses as visible evidence that something is seriously wrong

> in exactly the way the Bible described and warned us about in the

> Book of Leviticus?

>

> Who is responsible? Is is all of us? because none of us took any

> responsibility for averting this disaster even though we were

warned?

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Hi!!

I know you don't or you would not had asked here! I just re-read my

post and it sounds rude. I need to be sleeping instead of typing

when I am so tired! I apologize for the rude tone.

Jackie

> >

> > Hi listmates,

> >

> > I am new to this group. I suspect we have mold between a wall

> in our house because a leak last December went thru the wall into

> another room. We would like to move anyway (even if there is no

> mold, we want to move by next summer) & I am not sure what steps

to

> take in remediation. The suspected mold area is off of a hallway

> that we could close off. I am hoping to be able to live in the

> house while we repair what needs to be repaired. There are several

> inexpensive remedies for molds (ozone, anti-microbial UV lights

and

> another one that escapes me at the moment). Are any of these worth

> looking into? What would some of you experienced folks look into?

> Must walls be ripped down? I am saving my money to build green and

> do not want to spend the money to turn this house into a healthy

> home, just want to make it as good as any other home on the market

> if that makes sense. No one in the house is of failing health, so

I

> am assuming (hoping) any mold we have is perhaps

> > allergy provoking but not toxic.

> >

> > TIA,

> >

> >

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> things done faster.

> >

> >