Re: Responses to: Help Again!!!! - Carl

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I am reading Hope, a book about Cancer survival. The patient/author was told to

go off and eat anything she wanted because there was nothing which could be done

for her. She found a positive doctor and treatment that worked. Her cancer

was in her bones. I can never give up nor am I am believer in " false hope. " To

me, hope springs eternal and miracles do happen. Imagery and positive thinking

and prayer among other things contribute to regaining wellness. " A merry heart

doeth good like a medicine. "

" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

Barb, and others,

There are several responses direct to me plus other discussions

related to my post. This is written to answer them all.

First:

> Is the damage to other parts of the body irreversible,

> due to the fact the individual was not properly

> diagnosed and treated immediately for mold/mycotoxin

> exposure, or, would the damage have occurred anyway,

> due to the individuals genetic make-up?

>

> Additionally, is it true that using antibiotics for a

> prolonged period of time, does more harm, than good,

> to the body?

I'm not a doctor so I'm not qualified to answer medically. But I can

answer from a logical and common sense point of view.

Is mold exposure irreversible?

Much of it seems to be reversible, at least according to the fact

that everybody is exposed to mold, not everybody gets sick, and of

those that do get sick most recover. We also have to include what do

we mean by " mold exposure. " Mold is everywhere and is included in

every breath you take no matter where you are, including those

locations where you don't react to mold. So what conditions of mold

or combinations of mold or exposure history determines whether or not

you react? That is the $64 billion question.

Does it cause some type of latent harm or accumulative harm like

asbestos and cigarette smoke?

There is divided opinion on this with no definitive answer. Before

they can formulate answers, they must first ask the right questions.

They are just getting started on figuring out the questions.

Where are the studies supporting the 24% of us stay sick?

This is based on the information from Ken Hudnall and Ritchie

Shoemaker. Info is at www.chronicneurotoxins.com and in the book Mold

Warriors.

Delayed treatment for mold/mycotoxin exposure?

First, we have to differentiate between different mold exposures

based on environment (chronic dampness, sudden event, crawlspace, old

house, flood, hurricane, attic, etc); exposoure from being inhaled,

eaten, touched or all of them; which component of the mold are we

susceptible to (protein, glucan, enzyme, mVOC, mycotoxin, or

something else not yet identified); was it mold or also bacteria in a

damp indoor space (some evidence suggests the bacteria is more of a

problem than mold) or chemical release from damaged building

materials? Then we have to talk about " mold treatment " and " mycotoxin

treatment. " The only ones I know don't directly treat either the mold

or the mycotoxins or the glucans or mVOCs. They address the effects

of those components on the body. There is a treatment from exposure

to the proteins of mold because that is what triggers the IgE

response we call allergy.

Or would the damage have occurred anyway because of genetics?

My understanding is you can have a genetic pattern that makes you

susceptible to " something " but the pattern doesn't affect your life

unless you are exposed to that " something. " But there are other

genetic patterns that result in malfunction or damage directly that

are not exposure based. For mold, they don't know.

Does prolonged use of antioiotics cause more harm than good?

If you have a chronic bacterial infection that keeps recurring, then

not using antibiotics will cause great harm or even death. On the

other hand prolonged use of some mycotics, even when appropriately

prescribed, can cause liver damage. This is where (the good) doctors

and other health care professionals earn their money. They have to

balance all the goods with all the bads for that specific individual.

Sadly, most don't know what those are. And, as many of you have

reported, many don't seem to care.

One person e-mailed me off-line about my response to Barb saying that

if the cause is genetic then there will be no improvement until we

learn how to fix genetics. They diplomatically - and somewhat

appropriately - admonished me for my bluntness. They accurately said

that many don't feel well most of the time and they need support,

especially from the experts.

That person points out a critical issue. As those of you who have

posted on IEquality know, the experts too often focus on the " facts "

and ignore the " people " and their needs. In this case, I was guilty.

What I should have also said, and will say now, is that the facts

give little comfort in themselves but we still need them. We need the

best information available, including that which is not encouraging

or supportive - IF IT IS TRUE. The worst support we can have is that

which results in false hope.

Personally, it is just as important to me to know what won't work as

it is to know what will work. That way I don't waste my money, my

time and my life by spinning my wheels. However, the majority of

information is indeterminant and nobody knows whether or not it will

work for anbody, especially me. Uncertainty! How do we live with

that?

It's not easy. It's very difficult. And we all need all the support

we can get along with the information. But let's not shade the truth

just for the purpose of support. Lies that give false hope do more

harm than truth that hurts. It will keep us in failure (victim) which

prevents us from finding the right action.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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" Carl E. Grimes " <grimes@...> wrote:

I'm not a doctor so I'm not qualified to answer medically. But I can

answer from a logical and common sense point of view.

It's not easy. It's very difficult. And we all need all the support

we can get along with the information. But let's not shade the truth

just for the purpose of support. Lies that give false hope do more

harm than truth that hurts. It will keep us in failure (victim) which

prevents us from finding the right action.

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

That's funny to hear people say " I'm not a doctor... "

All things considered, it's turning out to really mean " Unlike a

doctor, I have common sense and am more in touch with reality "

There is a great deal of well intended support which consists of

offering alternatives in the form of vitamins, therapies, and

filtration systems that have repeatedly demonstrated that they don't

do much to help, and haven't really gotten anyone out of this mess.

They are offered in good faith as something that " might help " and

perhaps in some small way, they do - a little.

But at the same time, people can literally squander all their money,

and all their remaining energy and health on these palliatives when

REPEATED EXPERIENCES have shown that they would have been FAR better

off if they had done what they were eventually forced to do in the

end, anyway.

Get the Hell out!

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Carl:

> Is mold exposure irreversible?

> Much of it seems to be reversible, at least according to the fact

> that everybody is exposed to mold, not everybody gets sick, and of

> those that do get sick most recover. We also have to include what do

> we mean by " mold exposure. " Mold is everywhere and is included in

> every breath you take no matter where you are, including those

> locations where you don't react to mold. So what conditions of mold

> or combinations of mold or exposure history determines whether or not

> you react? That is the $64 billion question.

>

The gut feeling that I am getting from my own personal experience and

the studies of brain injury that I have read, as well as as truly

expert opinion from a doctor I have seen - is that some forms of brain

injury *are* cumulative and permanent, but that the 'recovery' that is

seen in some patients is really better described as the brain trying

to compensate for the injry and learning how to do this somewhat (but

that compensating does not create more brain capacity in that area, it

actually takes from other processes.)

For example, I have found that with each successive time that I was

exposed to lots of mold, in addition to getting very sick and weak,

losing jobs, relationship, etc. I lost a significant amount of my

capacity for short term memory, and that capacity never recovered.

However, I did recover a lot of my ongoing abilities to hide this

deficit after the exposure had ended and many months or a year or two

had gone by, rendering this disability somewhat less visible to

others. (however, the injury also rendered me far less functional in a

real sense... there is work I could easily do a few years ago that I

can't do now, at least so far, nomatter how hard I try.)

Carl:

> Does it cause some type of latent harm or accumulative harm like

> asbestos and cigarette smoke?

> There is divided opinion on this with no definitive answer. Before

> they can formulate answers, they must first ask the right questions.

> They are just getting started on figuring out the questions.

>

I would go a bit further than Carl and say that the evidence of

mycotoxins causing brain injury is extensive and quite substantial.

However, political factors, especially in the US, which is undergoing

a 'cultural revolution' - a dangerous and retrogressive period of

political orthodoxy, seem to be conspiring to attack anyone

porofessional who admits that the evidence points this way rather

strongly. Sometimes, the results are quite comical.

> Where are the studies supporting the 24% of us stay sick?

> This is based on the information from Ken Hudnall and Ritchie

> Shoemaker. Info is at www.chronicneurotoxins.com and in the book Mold

> Warriors.

>

I think what Dr. Shoemaker was explaining in his book was the genetic

roots of the varying rates at which different people eliminate

mycotoxins from their bodies after the liver has filtered them out

into the bile.. (often damaging itself in the process..) The

mycotoxins tend to hurt cells, in everybody.. The difference is in how

long they continue to do that in the body.. the elimination rate for

the body to get rid of the toxins - 24% of us do it much more slowly

than others, meaning that after a given amount of mold exposure, a

person like me will have a uch higher likelihood of reaching the point

where body systems start to break down.. In my case, even a small

amount of mold exposure will now make me start getting a whole

constellation of symptoms very quickly.. I wasn't like this before

recently. My heavy mold exposure in the moldy apartment I left did

this change to me. It makes life very difficult. That is the day to

day result for me. Should I be 'genetically cleansed' because of this

'abberation'? NO. Should I be prevented from getting a job because a

scared employer reading this in my pre-employment gene screen may

think it might be expensive to remove poisons from his workplace 'just

for me' - NO (Those poisons are poisoning everybody there-)

Should people like me be prevented from breeding (perhaps by denying

us access to employment through database screening) because we are

among the 24% or related to someone who is? NO.

These are the big issues that we will be dealing with in the next few

years as this knowledge - and electronic medical recordkeeping and

genetic screening for insurance prescreening becomes more widespread..

I suspect..

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