Re: Is turkey-red oil natural?

[Guest guest]

It doesn't have chemicals in it. It's been treated with sulfuric

acid; it's got sulfuric acid in it (sulfated). Sulfuric acid is not

natural? I'm pretty sure it's a naturally occurring substance. I know

from experience that turkey-red is good for skin. Failor uses it as

_baby_ shampoo in her book on _natural_ soap making.

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HI Adam

I found this blurb about sulfuric acid:

http://www.answers.com/topic/sulfuric-acid

While sulfuric acid can occur naturally, that's not how it is typically produced

for commercial use, apparently. This is somewhat analagous to cold process soap

which uses sodium hydroxide to produce what most people call a " natural " soap.

While sodium hydroxide can occur naturally (water through ashes), the stuff you

buy to make soap is produced synthetically.

So is turkey red " natural " ? Who cares. It's generally regarded as safe and

acceptable to a lot of people who generally subscribe to using natural

ingredients. So rock on.

Patty

[Guest guest]

> HI Adam

>

> I found this blurb about sulfuric acid:

>

> http://www.answers.com/topic/sulfuric-acid

>

> While sulfuric acid can occur naturally, that's not how it is

typically produced for commercial use, apparently. This is somewhat

analagous to cold process soap which uses sodium hydroxide to produce

what most people call a " natural " soap. While sodium hydroxide can

occur naturally (water through ashes), the stuff you buy to make soap

is produced synthetically.

>

> So is turkey red " natural " ? Who cares. It's generally regarded as

safe and acceptable to a lot of people who generally subscribe to

using natural ingredients. So rock on.

>

> Patty

I just wanted to jump in quickly and note that the use of TRO or

" turkey red oil " is not safe and gentle to everyone. If you have a

allergy to sulfa-based drugs as I do, you can also have reactions to TRO!

On the note of lotions, I would much rather use a tested preservative

in lotions at 1% or less of a formula (depending on manufacturer

recommended usage rates), than take a chance trying to create a water

based product without the use of preservatives. This also goes for

things like sugar and salt scrubs which will liked by introduced to

water contamination during use.

My Skin Soap Studio

http://www.myskinsoapstudio.com

[Guest guest]

Castor oil does contain chemicals that include:

triglycerides, fatty acids that include ricinoleic acid, oilic acid,

linoleic acid, stearic acid, palmitic acid, dihydroxystearic acid and

probably several other chemicals. Of course they are naturally occuring

chemicals but they are chemicals none the less. Sulfuric acid is also a

chemical and a quite potent acid at that. It is used for making

explosives, in oil refinery and various chemical synthesis reactions as

well as in batteries.

Both castor oil and sulfated castor oil are used in industry for

various applications including brake fluid, paint, and various

lubricants.

None of this of course makes it bad.

Sagescript Institute, llc

http://www.sagescript.com

Microbiology, Distillates, Botanicals

[Guest guest]

>

> Castor oil does contain chemicals that include:.......snip.....None

of this of course makes it bad.

>

>

Maybe not, or maybe that's just what the terrorists want us to think:

http://tinyurl.com/5w827b

(sometimes if you don't laugh, you'll cry)

-leavesofjoy / Micah

[Guest guest]

>

> It doesn't have chemicals in it. It's been treated with sulfuric

> acid; it's got sulfuric acid in it (sulfated). Sulfuric acid is not

> natural? I'm pretty sure it's a naturally occurring substance. I know

> from experience that turkey-red is good for skin. Failor uses it as

> _baby_ shampoo in her book on _natural_ soap making.

> ************************************************************

>

> HI Adam

>

> I found this blurb about sulfuric acid:

>

> http://www.answers.com/topic/sulfuric-acid

> .....

> So is turkey red " natural " ? Who cares. It's generally regarded as safe and

acceptable to a

lot of people who generally subscribe to using natural ingredients. So rock on.

>

> Patty

>

You've hit on a big problem with the whole natural debate, nobody has the

same idea on what exactly is natural and what isn't.

Taking two chems that are found in nature, put them together to form a

reaction, and you've got a new chem that isn't natural. So Adam's thoughts

about sulfuric acid don't apply whether or not sulfuric acid is natural or not.

But I agree with Patty when she says Who cares! But I don't agree that it is

generally regarded as safe. This is what snowdriftfarm has to say about it:

http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/form_surfactants.html

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" Sulfate-based surfactants have been available for years and are very

effective cleaners. The first was produced in the 19th century by

treating castor oil with sulfuric acid. This resulted in what is today

known as Turkey Red oil, (AKA sulfated castor oil) the very first

synthetic detergent. This material is effective, and is used even today

in the leather-making and industrial dye arenas.

Please do not use turkey red oil on your skin as it is very irritating. "

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So I always find it interesting when people talk about using it on

babies. Even if snowdriftfarm is blowing it way out of proportion,

to sell their milder surfactants, I still wouldn't take the chance on

using it on babies!

-mikeH