Lab results

[Guest guest]

i do believe that this is totally uncalled for,we can disagree with out being

ugly about it.

IF I HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY MANSION DOOR,RUN MILES ON GOLDEN STREETS,SEARCH A

MILLION FACES SITTING AT JESUS FEET,I WILL RUN ALONG THE JASPER WALLS,CALL YOUR

NAME IN THE WIND.I WILL FIND YOU AGAIN.

>

>

> I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next

best

> thing.

[Guest guest]

oooo! Nancie this is very out of character for you; from knowing you

for the last year or so. Don't get so upset. Just caring, just my

two cents.

Venizia

> >

> >

> > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the

next best

> > thing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not only is it ugly but it is unwarranted and disrespectful to the group.

First we have Gracia calling my deceased brother (who was buried on my

birthday)

a pig and then Nancie losing total control and respect when her “expertiseâ€

is challenged.

My original contribution to this thread was as follows and not at all

combative.

I have a personal as well as scientific interest in helping fight heart

disease.

Sue

(original post from me in its entirety:)

--- Nancie,

It¹s quite premature to say these labs indicate high risk for heart attack

or stroke.

Cholesterol IS NOT the main marker ‹ I work with a Cardiologist on heart

health and

CRP and homocystiene are much more accurate

for measuring chance of heart disease/incident as is treadmill and imaging.

I have high cholesterol since going HypoT and my CRP and homocystine

levels have me in LOWER than average risk for heart attack or stroke so

Alisia --

Please have at least the CRP done and perhaps a treadmill test but make sure

you are fasting for cholesetrol work up.

Sue

-------

On 12/30/08 3:05 PM, " Chapman " <granmere48@...> wrote:

>

> i do believe that this is totally uncalled for,we can disagree with out being

> ugly about it.

>

> IF I HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY MANSION DOOR,RUN MILES ON GOLDEN STREETS,SEARCH A

> MILLION FACES SITTING AT JESUS FEET,I WILL RUN ALONG THE JASPER WALLS,CALL

> YOUR NAME IN THE WIND.I WILL FIND YOU AGAIN.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't know what constipation was [at least not from experiencing it]

until I was 64. That's just another of my " symptoms " that seem opposite

to those of most hypo patients. The only time I take a laxative is as a

colonoscopy prep.

Thanks for the info,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:42 pm (PST)

>

> They are capsules in a bottle. There are other forms. Gracie can give

> you a

> link to a topical form.

> I like the laxative effect because the constipation can be bad from

> the hypo

> T

>

> -- Re: Lab Results

>

> My system reacts strongly to the laxative effect of magnesium. What

> form is the magnesium in that you take? The only magnesium citrate I'm

> familiar with is the bottle you take prior to a colonoscopy.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

You lose two points if you allow yourself to be goaded into an

unladylike [or ungentlemanlike] response! [ggg]

..

..

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:19 pm (PST)

>

> go p*ss off

>

> -- Re: Lab Results

>

>

> You just revealed the scary part about you.

>

> Keep practicing. You might get it right some day. LOL.

[Guest guest]

The word " emotional maturity " came to mind.

wrote:

> You lose two points if you allow yourself to be goaded into an

> unladylike [or ungentlemanlike] response! [ggg]

>

>

> .

> .

>

>

>> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results>

>> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>>

>>

>> Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:19 pm (PST)

>>

>> go p*ss off

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

LOL I actually don't mind " go piss off " rather than the other blather of

your mother wears combat boots etc...or you called my dead brother a pig blah

blah blah.

Gracia

The word " emotional maturity " came to mind.

wrote:

> You lose two points if you allow yourself to be goaded into an

> unladylike [or ungentlemanlike] response! [ggg]

>

>

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> .

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[Guest guest]

Like you are that mature, steve. ROTFLMAO

-- Re: Re: Lab Results

The word " emotional maturity " came to mind.

wrote:

> You lose two points if you allow yourself to be goaded into an

> unladylike [or ungentlemanlike] response! [ggg]

>

>

> .

> .

>

>

>> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>> <mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Lab%20Results>

>> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>>

>>

>> Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:19 pm (PST)

>>

>> go p*ss off

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Right so she can make fun of my credentials, but I can't tell her to go piss

off??

The argument is mute anyway's.

-- Re: Lab Results

i do believe that this is totally uncalled for,we can disagree with out

being ugly about it.

IF I HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY MANSION DOOR,RUN MILES ON GOLDEN STREETS,SEARCH

A MILLION FACES SITTING AT JESUS FEET,I WILL RUN ALONG THE JASPER WALLS,CALL

YOUR NAME IN THE WIND.I WILL FIND YOU AGAIN.

>

>

> I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next

best

> thing.

[Guest guest]

Right so she can make fun of my credentials, but I can't tell her to go piss

off??

The argument is mute anyway it was in a fit of anger. Sue has the effect on

many people here. She loves to stir the pot.

..

-- Re: Lab Results

i do believe that this is totally uncalled for,we can disagree with out

being ugly about it.

IF I HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY MANSION DOOR,RUN MILES ON GOLDEN STREETS,SEARCH

A MILLION FACES SITTING AT JESUS FEET,I WILL RUN ALONG THE JASPER WALLS,CALL

YOUR NAME IN THE WIND.I WILL FIND YOU AGAIN.

>

>

> I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the next

best

> thing.

[Guest guest]

Yeah, it was in a fit of anger. Sue has the effect on people here.

-- Re: Lab Results

oooo! Nancie this is very out of character for you; from knowing you

for the last year or so. Don't get so upset. Just caring, just my

two cents.

Venizia

> >

> >

> > I don't need to play doctor, sue because I can practice as the

next best

> > thing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, she angered me with all the bs about my credentials and I lost it. I

am not happy about it, but, you know sue's responses.

-- Re: Lab Results

>

>

> You just revealed the scary part about you.

>

> Keep practicing. You might get it right some day. LOL.

[Guest guest]

sue-

That thread is not the reason and you know it.

I lost my temper, big deal. It is not like I called your deceased brother a

pig.

I would never do that.

-- Re: Lab Results

Not only is it ugly but it is unwarranted and disrespectful to the group.

First we have Gracia calling my deceased brother (who was buried on my

birthday)

a pig and then Nancie losing total control and respect when her “expertiseâ€

is challenged.

My original contribution to this thread was as follows and not at all

combative.

I have a personal as well as scientific interest in helping fight heart

disease.

Sue

(original post from me in its entirety:)

--- Nancie,

It¹s quite premature to say these labs indicate high risk for heart attack

or stroke.

Cholesterol IS NOT the main marker ‹ I work with a Cardiologist on heart

health and

CRP and homocystiene are much more accurate

for measuring chance of heart disease/incident as is treadmill and imaging.

I have high cholesterol since going HypoT and my CRP and homocystine

levels have me in LOWER than average risk for heart attack or stroke so

Alisia --

Please have at least the CRP done and perhaps a treadmill test but make sure

you are fasting for cholesetrol work up.

Sue

-------

On 12/30/08 3:05 PM, " Chapman " <granmere48@...> wrote:

>

> i do believe that this is totally uncalled for,we can disagree with out

being

> ugly about it.

>

> IF I HAVE TO KNOCK ON EVERY MANSION DOOR,RUN MILES ON GOLDEN STREETS

SEARCH A

> MILLION FACES SITTING AT JESUS FEET,I WILL RUN ALONG THE JASPER WALLS,CALL

> YOUR NAME IN THE WIND.I WILL FIND YOU AGAIN.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anger is a personal choice, not something someone can " do " to someone else.

Cheers.

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Well, she angered me with all the bs about my credentials and I lost it. I

> am not happy about it, but, you know sue's responses.

>

> -- Re: Lab Results

>

> You lose two points if you allow yourself to be goaded into an

> unladylike [or ungentlemanlike] response! [ggg]

>

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

> Just saw my natural dr and got my blood tests. As I expected my cholesterol

is high at 277 with LDL at 205. This is okay--right? I think I read somewhere

that your cholesterol will go up on this diet due to the die-off of candida and

the healing process. My dr was a little concerned, but she knows I'm kind of a

rebel where my health is concerned. It seems a little scary to me, but not too

much because I know cholesterol is really our friend.

+++Hi Leesa. Yes it is correct that while your body is detoxifying your

cholesterol levels will increase. Your body creates more cholesterol in order

to clear out toxins. Cholesterol levels are not an indication of any kind of

poor health, like heart disease, while tryglyceride levels ARE. Tryglycerides

are a kind of cholesterol which are created by your body from carbs/glucose.

+++Your tryglycerides should be a lot lower than previously on this program - so

find out what they were.

>

> My liver enzymes are elevated. Is this also due to the die-off and healing

process? The last time they were elevated was 3 years ago when I was diagnosed

with lupus. My dr suggested I take silymarin to help clear out my liver. Would

this be all right? I told her that I had been doing coffee enemas--she was okay

with that. I have not been able to do them as regularly as I would like. I've

never been able to hold a full 12 minutes like the directions say. Is that a

problem? Sometimes I can go 10 minutes, generally less though. I do dry

brushing and deep breathing every day.

+++Your liver enzymes are increased because it has to handle more toxins, so it

is part of the die-off, detoxifying and healing processes.

+++You can take silymarin or milk thistle as a tea, and drink 2 cups per day for

a week, stop for 3 days, and continue for another week, and so on, but don't

take it much longer than 2 months.

+++The coffee enema still helps you even if you cannot hold it, so do not be

concerned.

>

> My white blood cell and neutrophils are low also. This was happening at the

time of lupus diagnosis, too. Is this another sign of the healing process.

+++During natural healing your body will " retrace " all of the symptoms related

to the lupus.

>

> I have a number of lupus sores on my face, chest and shoulders. My dr

recommended trying tea tree oil or oregano oil diluted with witch hazel on the

spots--not for the purpose of closing off the escape route of toxins, but to

help with the general healing of the skin. I told her I had been using Vit E

and cod liver oil.

+++Vitamin E and cod liver oil are much better than the oils diluted in witch

hazel. Witch hazel dries out the skin and removes natural oils.

>

> Last thing, my T3 was low, so she wanted me to increase my Armour

thyroid--which I've had to go to a compounded Armour. I guess it is a little

early for my thyroid to be turning around.

+++How long have you had thyroid problems?

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>Hi Bee,

+++Your tryglycerides should be a lot lower than previously on this program - so

find out what they were.

My triglyceride level is 76. My dr did not say anything about this result.

Last year my triglyceride level was 34 and 28 in 2007. Last year she mentioned

that the level at 34 was kind of low and would be good for it to come up. Is 76

too high? Prior to this diet, I had been eating a Weston A Price diet for about

4 years. I was getting a little safflower oil in my diet then (not now), but

all of the other fats were good--CO, CLO, butter, animal fats.

> >

> Last thing, my T3 was low, so she wanted me to increase my Armour

thyroid--which I've had to go to a compounded Armour. I guess it is a little

early for my thyroid to be turning around.

>

> +++How long have you had thyroid problems?

>

> I've had Hashimoto's thyroiditis for 12 years and have been on Armour thyroid

for about 11.5 years. Mostly I've taken 60mg/day with some times at 90mg/day

and 30mg/day interspersed throughout the years. At those times I was trying to

figure out what worked best for me based on information I had read. My dr now

wants me to raise it to 90mg/day from 60mg. The capsules should be coming in

30mg so that I can take at different times of the day, and also cut back if I

feel myself becoming too " revved up " which describes how I feel when I am

getting too much thyroid hormone.

Thank you so much for your help!!!

Leesa

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >Hi Bee,

>

> My triglyceride level is 76. My dr did not say anything about this result.

Last year my triglyceride level was 34 and 28 in 2007. Last year she mentioned

that the level at 34 was kind of low and would be good for it to come up. Is 76

too high? Prior to this diet, I had been eating a Weston A Price diet for about

4 years. I was getting a little safflower oil in my diet then (not now), but

all of the other fats were good--CO, CLO, butter, animal fats.

+++Hi Leesa. " They " say tryglycerides under 150 are good, so your levels have

been okay for a long time.

+++My triglycerides have been less than 20 for many years, so I cannot

understand why your doctor believes they should be higher. Fat intake does not

influence triglycerides; carb/sugars do!

> >

> > I've had Hashimoto's thyroiditis for 12 years and have been on Armour

thyroid for about 11.5 years. Mostly I've taken 60mg/day with some times at

90mg/day and 30mg/day interspersed throughout the years. At those times I was

trying to figure out what worked best for me based on information I had read.

My dr now wants me to raise it to 90mg/day from 60mg. The capsules should be

coming in 30mg so that I can take at different times of the day, and also cut

back if I feel myself becoming too " revved up " which describes how I feel when I

am getting too much thyroid hormone.

+++You shouldn't fool around taking 60 mg one day and another time 90 mg because

your thyroid tests will be wrong. You need to stay at one dose consistently

between tests so your test results will accurately reflect your dose.

+++Since you've had Hashimoto's for 12 years, after you've been on this program

for 12 years your thyroid should recover. How long have you been on my program,

including all supplements, etc. ?

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > Hi Bee

>

> +++You shouldn't fool around taking 60 mg one day and another time 90 mg

because your thyroid tests will be wrong. You need to stay at one dose

consistently between tests so your test results will accurately reflect your

dose.

I use the dosage the dr prescribes between tests. What I referred to before

about trying different dosage was all with my dr's approval. Then when tests

show that I needed more or less, we adjusted--again based on my dr's

recommendation. These were times that were spread out, too. Most of the time

I've been on 60mg. So I wasn't switching dosage back and forth willy-nilly

between tests.

>

> +++Since you've had Hashimoto's for 12 years, after you've been on this

program for 12 years your thyroid should recover. How long have you been on my

program, including all supplements, etc. ?

Did you mean 12 months for healing my thyroid? I started the diet early July.

Probably by Aug I was fully on with diet and supplements. We did discover

recently that I needed to add shark liver oil with my clo for enough Vit A.

That has been about 3 weeks now--I can tell, too. The pace of cleansings seems

to be stepping up.

>

Thank you!

Leesa

>

[Guest guest]

> > > Hi Bee

>>

> I use the dosage the dr prescribes between tests. What I referred to before

about trying different dosage was all with my dr's approval. Then when tests

show that I needed more or less, we adjusted--again based on my dr's

recommendation. These were times that were spread out, too. Most of the time

I've been on 60mg. So I wasn't switching dosage back and forth willy-nilly

between tests.

+++That's good Leesa! Whew!

> Did you mean 12 months for healing my thyroid? I started the diet early July.

Probably by Aug I was fully on with diet and supplements. We did discover

recently that I needed to add shark liver oil with my clo for enough Vit A.

That has been about 3 weeks now--I can tell, too. The pace of cleansings seems

to be stepping up.

+++Yes, 12 months to heal your thyroid, since it takes 1 month of natural

healing for every year. You don't want to be taking thyroid meds when your

thyroid is recovering, so start getting thyroid tests done every month to 6

weeks after you've been on my program for 9 months - starting around April 2010.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> Hi Bee,

Any thoughts about why my triglyceride level went up to 76 this year since I am

now eating low carbs and no sugar?--on the diet since early July

Leesa

>

> >

> > My triglyceride level is 76. My dr did not say anything about this result.

Last year my triglyceride level was 34 and 28 in 2007.

>

> +++My triglycerides have been less than 20 for many years, so I cannot

understand why your doctor believes they should be higher. Fat intake does not

influence triglycerides; carb/sugars do!

> > >

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > Hi Bee,

> Any thoughts about why my triglyceride level went up to 76 this year since I

am now eating low carbs and no sugar?--on the diet since early July

+++Hi Leesa. I can't explain why it went up, but 76 is much too low to be

concerned about. It could have gone up because of changes taking place

throughout your body.

Bee

[Guest guest]

So let me catch up here you were doing T shots and added Arimidex and your TT

went up 200 points to 900. Then you missed one shot and now you fell down to

217. Your not a problem you missed you T shot levels fall fast a week after

your shot then add a week with no shot and you get what you have. Lower levels

if your Secondary meaning your Pituitary is bad add in HCG do about 250 IU's the

2 days each before your next T shot this helps keep your Testis working and your

levels up.

If your Estradiol levels are still high you did not test them your not going to

feel better at all. Higher Estradiol levels hold you back from feeling better.

As for your Hematocrit being high if you don't drink water about 3 big glass's

before your labs this will look high.

Here is what I would do if I were you get on some HCG do your shots of T every 3

days about 50 to 60 mgs each time and the day before your next shot do 250 IU's

of HCG and keep your Estradiol down in the sweet spot at about 20 pg/ml or when

your having good night time and morning wood.

Keep this up for 8 weeks then do labs again see if your labs are better. Once

you get time up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and keep them there little

by little you will start to feel better.

As for your 24hr. urine test for Cortisol only tells me you could be low not

using any of it. But the only way to tell is to do a 4x's in a day Saliva test

there is one you can buy your self in this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

In this link are the stages of Adrenal Fatigue read them they are the results of

Saliva testing.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html

Your having a Pituitary problem you need to check all your hormones and your

ferritin with Iron levels.

If your Thyroid is so so try going on a med you might feel better try doing this

home test to tell if your Thyroid might be a problem.

http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html

I have a lot of info about being Hypopituitary just let me know what you need to

know about.

Your not going to feel better over night.

Go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG Update Dr.

puts this out there free for you and your Dr.

www.allthingsmale.com

Also if your Dr. is at a loss as to what to do he will work with your Dr. over

the phone to test and treat you try this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...>

> Subject: Lab Results

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 9:08 PM

> I tried to post this last night but

> it never showed up on the list.  In any case, I went to

> my endo yesterday and got a lot of surprises.  After

> missing just one shot, my T levels fell through the

> floor.  My doctor was stunned at the results.  I

> am also taking arimidex which had raised my T by over 200

> points to 900 for total.  Here are the results of the

> key tests:

>

> T Total       

>    217 

>    (250-1100)  LOW

> T Free            52.6 

>   (46-224)    LOW NORMAL

> T BIOAV       

>    101.3   (110-575)   LOW

> SHBG             

> 13      (9-45)  THIS HASN " T CHANGE

> EVER!

> Albumin       

>    4.2 

>    (3.6-5.1)   Normal

> IGF-1         

>    244     (86-220) 

>   HIGH

> Cortisol Urine    59.5   

> (4.0-50)    HIGH

> Creatinine Urine  4.01g   (0.63-2.50)

> HIGH

>

> My hematocrit was also high, although barely.  My

> doctor is at a loss at this point and want me to get another

> doctor to look at my case because she does not understand

> why I am still feeling fatigued.  I don't even feel the

> T shots anymore.  It's like getting injected with

> water.  THe week I missed the shot felt the same as

> when I did have the shot.  I am on 150mg a week! 

> I am going to look for another doctor who has more

> experience in TRT and pituitary issues (I have an

> adenoma).  She sent me today for a glucose tolerance

> test and a GH suppression test.  The MRI also showed I

> had a tiny stroke, which I was not aware of.  Any

> insight would be appreciated.  She wants to retest T

> levels in 2 weeks once I've been getting the shots again

> (got one last week, will get one tomorrow).

>

> Regards,

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil: Thanks for the info. My estradiol levels were not tested, but based on

the dosage I am taking I am getting solid night time and morning erections so I

think I am good there. Will have it tested next time to confirm.

I guess the thing that bothers me is that I don't feel anything from the shots

anymore. I feel the same way back on them as I do when I missed the week. I am

tired all the time. I am leaning towards the adrenal fatigue that you talked

about.

The other thing is that my current doctor is treating symptoms. Low Thyroid,

give synthroid, low T give testosterone. She has done some testing to rule out

things like a prolactinoma, but she has not done comprehensive testing to

identify if this is a functional or non-function adenoma. She did order, and I

just took, a HG suppression test and a glucose tolerance test. She also

mentioned the cortisol saliva test as well, but hasn't ordered it yet. I will

pick up the item you mentioned below and test it myself. It seems to me that

the pituitary gland has a set of functions, and there are a range of tests to

determine the state of those functions. She done some, but not all, and some

results are inferred. I did electronics and software testing for years and you

have to approach systems testing in a methodical fashion and I don't think she

has done that.

I did get an appointment with a pituitary specialist at Yale (one of his

specialties is treating adults with Growth Hormone) and he has experience

treating hypogonadal males. I am going to bring Dr. 's treatise with me and

ask him to read it and also render an opinion on what he sees based on the

results so far. You mention ferritin levels, and mine were low yet my serum

iron was high. She had no answer for that and said we'll have to retest it

because it must be a fluke. Yet it seems that as you point out, it is connected

to the whole thing yet she was not up on it and didn't seem concerned.

Thanks again for the info. I will order the kit and bring Dr. 's doc with

me to this new doctor.

Regards,

Joe

>

> > From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...>

> > Subject: Lab Results

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 9:08 PM

> > I tried to post this last night but

> > it never showed up on the list.  In any case, I went to

> > my endo yesterday and got a lot of surprises.  After

> > missing just one shot, my T levels fell through the

> > floor.  My doctor was stunned at the results.  I

> > am also taking arimidex which had raised my T by over 200

> > points to 900 for total.  Here are the results of the

> > key tests:

> >

> > T Total       

> >    217 

> >    (250-1100)  LOW

> > T Free            52.6 

> >   (46-224)    LOW NORMAL

> > T BIOAV       

> >    101.3   (110-575)   LOW

> > SHBG             

> > 13      (9-45)  THIS HASN " T CHANGE

> > EVER!

> > Albumin       

> >    4.2 

> >    (3.6-5.1)   Normal

> > IGF-1         

> >    244     (86-220) 

> >   HIGH

> > Cortisol Urine    59.5   

> > (4.0-50)    HIGH

> > Creatinine Urine  4.01g   (0.63-2.50)

> > HIGH

> >

> > My hematocrit was also high, although barely.  My

> > doctor is at a loss at this point and want me to get another

> > doctor to look at my case because she does not understand

> > why I am still feeling fatigued.  I don't even feel the

> > T shots anymore.  It's like getting injected with

> > water.  THe week I missed the shot felt the same as

> > when I did have the shot.  I am on 150mg a week! 

> > I am going to look for another doctor who has more

> > experience in TRT and pituitary issues (I have an

> > adenoma).  She sent me today for a glucose tolerance

> > test and a GH suppression test.  The MRI also showed I

> > had a tiny stroke, which I was not aware of.  Any

> > insight would be appreciated.  She wants to retest T

> > levels in 2 weeks once I've been getting the shots again

> > (got one last week, will get one tomorrow).

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Joe

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe

You should be on desiccated thyroid for your low thyroid not synthroid.

You can have high iron and low ferritin. If you are low in ferritin no matter

what the iron level says you need to take iron. Half the problem with your

 thyroid could be low ferritin. You need a good ferritin level to make your

thyroid meds work properly. If you think you have adrenal fatigue along with low

ferritin. I would test reverse t3 and free t3.

Sky

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From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...>

Sent: Fri, 19 February, 2010 9:52:06 AM

Subject: Re: Lab Results

 

The other thing is that my current doctor is treating symptoms. Low Thyroid,

give synthroid, low T give testosterone. She has done some testing to rule out

things like a prolactinoma, but she has not done comprehensive testing to

identify if this is a functional or non-function adenoma. She did order, and I

just took, a HG suppression test and a glucose tolerance test. She also

mentioned the cortisol saliva test as well, but hasn't ordered it yet. I will

pick up the item you mentioned below and test it myself. It seems to me that the

pituitary gland has a set of functions, and there are a range of tests to

determine the state of those functions. She done some, but not all, and some

results are inferred. I did electronics and software testing for years and you

have to approach systems testing in a methodical fashion and I don't think she

has done that.

I did get an appointment with a pituitary specialist at Yale (one of his

specialties is treating adults with Growth Hormone) and he has experience

treating hypogonadal males. I am going to bring Dr. 's treatise with me and

ask him to read it and also render an opinion on what he sees based on the

results so far. You mention ferritin levels, and mine were low yet my serum iron

was high. She had no answer for that and said we'll have to retest it because it

must be a fluke. Yet it seems that as you point out, it is connected to the

whole thing yet she was not up on it and didn't seem concerned.

Thanks again for the info. I will order the kit and bring Dr. 's doc with me

to this new doctor.

Regards,

Joe

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TRT can raise your hematocrit.  I periodically donate blood to keep mine in the

normal range.

From: noonanjg <jgnoonan@...>

Subject: Lab Results

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 2:08 AM

 

I tried to post this last night but it never showed up on the list. In any case,

I went to my endo yesterday and got a lot of surprises. After missing just one

shot, my T levels fell through the floor. My doctor was stunned at the results.

I am also taking arimidex which had raised my T by over 200 points to 900 for

total. Here are the results of the key tests:

T Total 217 (250-1100) LOW

T Free 52.6 (46-224) LOW NORMAL

T BIOAV 101.3 (110-575) LOW

SHBG 13 (9-45) THIS HASN " T CHANGE EVER!

Albumin 4.2 (3.6-5.1) Normal

IGF-1 244 (86-220) HIGH

Cortisol Urine 59.5 (4.0-50) HIGH

Creatinine Urine 4.01g (0.63-2.50) HIGH

My hematocrit was also high, although barely. My doctor is at a loss at this

point and want me to get another doctor to look at my case because she does not

understand why I am still feeling fatigued. I don't even feel the T shots

anymore. It's like getting injected with water. THe week I missed the shot felt

the same as when I did have the shot. I am on 150mg a week! I am going to look

for another doctor who has more experience in TRT and pituitary issues (I have

an adenoma). She sent me today for a glucose tolerance test and a GH suppression

test. The MRI also showed I had a tiny stroke, which I was not aware of. Any

insight would be appreciated. She wants to retest T levels in 2 weeks once I've

been getting the shots again (got one last week, will get one tomorrow).

Regards,

Joe