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We use Buspar for anxiety and this has worked well for us.

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Does anyone have any recommendations for a NT puberty child (almost teen) that

seems to be struggling with mild anxiety and aggitation/anger/?

Thanks

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I would have the child checked for food allergies and then go from there

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Ken Maher <kwmaher29@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations for a NT puberty child (almost teen) that

seems to be struggling with mild anxiety and aggitation/anger/?

Thanks

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Hello,

I'm due in November and find that we are still struggling with the vitamin

K injection issue. Could someone who has sound medical advise pro or con give us

a hand.

Thanks,

Gans

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>>Have you looked into hypoglycemia? Maybe a hypoglycemic diet will help?

>

> Ken Maher <kwmaher29@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any recommendations for a NT puberty

child (almost teen) that seems to be struggling with mild anxiety and

aggitation/anger/?

>

> Thanks

>

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Sue -

I had a reaction like the one you describe to one of the basic SSRIs - damn, the

name has slipped my mind - ah! Zoloft! Actually, I was imagining that I was

being watched from surveillance sat elites...

See if your doc will let you try Neurontin - did me a lot of good and controlled

seizures I didn't know I had to boot...lol.

~Haley

ssr3351@... wrote: Hi everyone,

Recently some of you have talked about anti anxiety meds and not being able

to take them. Last week I saw my family Dr. because I have become very

anxious lately. I feel awful, worry about everything and my stomach is in a

knot.

I feel like a wet towel that is being twisted to ring the water out. I was

given Buspar (15mg) 1/2 tablet twice a day. The first 2 days seemed okay but

after that I started to feel worse that before. VERY nervous, anxious, upset

stomach, couldn't sleep, headache, & I felt like my insides wanted to crawl

outside!!

My question ..... is anyone taking anything for anxiety that is working

well? I don't want to be a zombie but I need something. I don't even know what

has brought it on. I've been out of my work place for 4 yrs.and doing very

well but now I'm having dreams about mold behind my walls and dread when it

rains for fear of leaks. I don't even like turning water on in the house for

fear of it leaking.

Anyone else have these fears and anxiety?

Thanks for listening.

Sue

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Sue, As for me, I said I couldn't take antidepressants but my

thoughts on Buspar: My feeling is that Buspar is a combo medicine

for depression/anxiety although it is marketed as an antianxiety

medicine. I took it but so long ago I don't remember if I felt worse

or not but it didn't help me at all. Buspar will be given to you by

very conservative doctor who does not like to deal with sedatives.

Tell him it makes your anxiety worse. Maybe he wanted to try this

as a more conservative first step. A mild sedative doesn't hurt

anyone if you keep dose low. If you don't experience anxiety

everyday, don't take it every day. That will prevent getting 'used'

to it. I would have a drink of wine to relax but I cannot tolerate

wine and beer or alcohol.

Some things that might help: a high protein diet, low or no sugar

especially in evening, magnesium supplements, some of the over the

counter things at health food stores. Try all of them. I have

something called 'Knock out' with has Valerian Root, Melatonin and

other herbs. It is by Schiff. Dr Tiedlebaums, Chronic Fatigue

doctor, recommends L-Theanine (amino acid), which Knock-Out has in

it also but so do other otc things I've seem, plus you can buy these

separately. If you sleep okay, I wouldn't try a benzodiazepene

since it is so strong and can be habit forming. If you have trouble

sleeping, try some of the above things first and if those don't

work, try a benzo. You need the sleep so it is worth it, also one

of the newer sleep aids, such as ambien, may be easier to get. Also

there are a bunch of combination herbal teas that are supposed to be

relaxing. You just have to try them. Dr Tiedlebaum addresses the

issue of sleep alot at his website because he thinks it's central to

getting over cfs, so you might read his suggestion, either his book

(End Fatigue) or on his website. I believe it's endfatigue.com or

similar. Dr Tiedlebaum is in land also but he charges a huge

upfront fee to see him. However you can take his online 'test' and

input info about yourself for 100.00 and you will get all his tips

and suggestions for 'you' in a printout and discuss them with your

own doctor. He prescribes antifungals for cfs as well as many other

things that now he markets under his own labels but you can get

similar products in another label. They are not 'proprietary'.

From Rx.com:

Clinical trials were done with people who were depressed also:

>The efficacy of BuSpar has been demonstrated in controlled clinical

trials of outpatients whose diagnosis roughly corresponds to

Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD). Many of the patients enrolled in

these studies also had coexisting depressive symptoms and BuSpar

relieved anxiety in the presence of these coexisting depressive

symptoms. The patients evaluated in these studies had experienced

symptoms for periods of 1 month to over 1 year prior to the study,

with an average symptom duration of 6 months. Generalized Anxiety

Disorder (300.02) is described in the American Psychiatric

Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, III1 as follows:

from: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/buspir_ids.htm

>

> Hi everyone,

> Recently some of you have talked about anti anxiety meds and not

being able to take them.

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Zoloft made my anxiety <<<MUCH>>> worse!! OMG. That was worse one

Rxed for me. It will definately make you more hyper than Buspar!!!

Zoloft is called a combo medicine but I think it is an antidepressant

myself. I've never heard anyone who had a relaxation response to

Zoloft. It's even in it's name, loft. There is so much confusion

over anxiety and depression and how to tell them apart. I personally

think they try to diagnose person who suffers with anxiety as

depressed since there are soooo many medicines marketed for depression

AND doctor can Rx them for long term without liability, since they

aren't a controlled substance. Almost all sedatives are controlled

substances and doctor has to be careful to not over prescribe.

Re: Neurotin. I've heard Neurotin is helpful. You might want to read

up on side effects and cautions on it before asking for it. It is in

a class of medicines that are anti-seizure medicine. There are

more 'cautions' than sedative medicines except for habit forming side

effect of sedatives. However, I would try everything otc for

relaxation first, unless your sleep is disturbed, since getting and

keeping an Rx for anxiety is such a hassle and there are good products

out there that help with mild anxiety.

>

> Sue -

>

> I had a reaction like the one you describe to one of the basic

SSRIs - damn, the name has slipped my mind - ah! Zoloft! Actually, I

was imagining that I was being watched from surveillance sat

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All of Barb's cautions are excellent, but I'll tell you what worked for me about

Neurontin for anxiety - it gave me distance...I could notice it coming on and

learned what it felt like as the clouds were rolling in, which gave me enough of

a chance to have a cognitive response to interrupt it - 'oh, that sensation of

discomfort is anxiety coming on again, hmmmm, maybe I should do something

soothing for myself.' That made a HUGE difference for me - without it, I tend

to get blizzarded over by anxiety before I even know what has happened... but I

do have much better discernment abilities than I did before Neurontin. God

bless Neurontin, as far as I'm concerned - and if you knew how reluctant I am

about taking meds, you'd realize that's saying a LOT for me...lol.

~Haley

barb1283 <barb1283@...> wrote: Zoloft

made my anxiety <<<MUCH>>> worse!! OMG. That was worse one

Rxed for me. It will definately make you more hyper than Buspar!!!

Zoloft is called a combo medicine but I think it is an antidepressant

myself. I've never heard anyone who had a relaxation response to

Zoloft. It's even in it's name, loft. There is so much confusion

over anxiety and depression and how to tell them apart. I personally

think they try to diagnose person who suffers with anxiety as

depressed since there are soooo many medicines marketed for depression

AND doctor can Rx them for long term without liability, since they

aren't a controlled substance. Almost all sedatives are controlled

substances and doctor has to be careful to not over prescribe.

Re: Neurotin. I've heard Neurotin is helpful. You might want to read

up on side effects and cautions on it before asking for it. It is in

a class of medicines that are anti-seizure medicine. There are

more 'cautions' than sedative medicines except for habit forming side

effect of sedatives. However, I would try everything otc for

relaxation first, unless your sleep is disturbed, since getting and

keeping an Rx for anxiety is such a hassle and there are good products

out there that help with mild anxiety.

>

> Sue -

>

> I had a reaction like the one you describe to one of the basic

SSRIs - damn, the name has slipped my mind - ah! Zoloft! Actually, I

was imagining that I was being watched from surveillance sat

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Buspar made me think the whole world was doomed! I thought I was

going to die and that very night! I had only taken about 2 dosages

but that was enough for me!! I had to get my sister to spend the

night incase I died so someone would be with my kids..come to find

out, that's one of the side effects!! OUCH!

Neurotin is OK, that is if you never want to get of of it. It had

the worst withdrawal side effects I ever had. If one does go off of

this drug, it must be done very carefully and slow taper.

>

> Zoloft made my anxiety <<<MUCH>>> worse!! OMG. That was worse one

> Rxed for me. It will definately make you more hyper than Buspar!!!

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Thanks Haley, the reaction was horrible. This morning I'm feeling better but

still anxious. Sat. night was the worst feeling I've had since the way I

felt when first exposed to the mold. I'll asked about the Neurontin.

Thanks for your advice.

Sue

Sue -

I had a reaction like the one you describe to one of the basic SSRIs - damn,

the name has slipped my mind - ah! Zoloft! Actually, I was imagining that I

was being watched from surveillance sat elites...

See if your doc will let you try Neurontin - did me a lot of good and

controlled seizures I didn't know I had to boot...lol.

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Barb, I think most Drs. are too conservative and afraid to give their

patients anything. Years ago I had some severe back pain and couldn't see my

chiropractor until Mon. Since it was Thursday I asked my family Dr. for some

Darvocet. I begged him to give me just enough for 3 days and he told me to take

extra strength Tylenol!! Very frustrating!

I pretty much stick to a high protein diet and rarely use sugar except an

occasional dessert once in a while. I will look into the magnesium supplements

this week. I do take a Melatonin & calcium at night that helps me sleep

along with an over the counter sleep aid. I think it's tylenol PM without the

pain reliever. I'll look into the CFS info you mentioned for some help.

I appreciate all your help.

Sue

Sue, As for me, I said I couldn't take antidepressants but my

thoughts on Buspar: My feeling is that Buspar is a combo medicine

for depression/anxiety although it is marketed as an antianxiety

medicine. I took it but so long ago I don't remember if I felt worse

or not but it didn't help me at all. Buspar will be given to you by

very conservative doctor who does not like to deal with sedatives.

Tell him it makes your anxiety worse. Maybe he wanted to try this

as a more conservative first step. A mild sedative doesn't hurt

anyone if you keep dose low. If you don't experience anxiety

everyday, don't take it every day. That will prevent getting 'used'

to it. I would have a drink of wine to relax but I cannot tolerate

wine and beer or alcohol.

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Barb, I agree with what you say about the anxiety vs. depression. When you

tell a Dr. you are nervous they seem to automatically think you are depressed

which isn't the case with me. I am just severely anxious!! Can you tell me

what particular OTC products, for anxiety, you refer to? Do you suggest a

health food or vitamin store?

Sue

Zoloft made my anxiety <<<MUCH>>> worse!! OMG. That was worse one

Rxed for me. It will definately make you more hyper than Buspar!!!

Zoloft is called a combo medicine but I think it is an antidepressant

myself. I've never heard anyone who had a relaxation response to

Zoloft. It's even in it's name, loft. There is so much confusion

over anxiety and depression and how to tell them apart. I personally

think they try to diagnose person who suffers with anxiety as

depressed since there are soooo many medicines marketed for depression

AND doctor can Rx them for long term without liability, since they

aren't a controlled substance. Almost all sedatives are controlled

substances and doctor has to be careful to not over prescribe.

Re: Neurotin. I've heard Neurotin is helpful. You might want to read

up on side effects and cautions on it before asking for it. It is in

a class of medicines that are anti-seizure medicine. There are

more 'cautions' than sedative medicines except for habit forming side

effect of sedatives. However, I would try everything otc for

relaxation first, unless your sleep is disturbed, since getting and

keeping an Rx for anxiety is such a hassle and there are good products

out there that help with mild anxiety.

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I know when the anxiety is coming too. It feels like a wave starting at my

feet that just sweeps over me! I try talking myself out of it but nothing seems

to work it just builds until I'm totally overwhelmed by it.

Thanks again!

Sue

All of Barb's cautions are excellent, but I'll tell you what worked for me

about Neurontin for anxiety - it gave me distance...I could notice it coming

on and learned what it felt like as the clouds were rolling in, which gave me

enough of a chance to have a cognitive response to interrupt it - 'oh, that

sensation of discomfort is anxiety coming on again, hmmmm, maybe I should do

something soothing for myself.' That made a HUGE difference for me - without

it, I tend to get blizzarded over by anxiety before I even know what has

happened... but I do have much better discernment abilities than I did before

Neurontin. God bless Neurontin, as far as I'm concerned - and if you knew how

reluctant I am about taking meds, you'd realize that's saying a LOT for

me...lol.

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Sorry you had the same experience but I'm happy to hear I'm not the only

one. Sat. night was the worst and I did think I was going to die. I was a

horrible feeling! Thanks for the warning about the withdrawal effects of

Neurotin.

Thanks,

Sue

Buspar made me think the whole world was doomed! I thought I was

going to die and that very night! I had only taken about 2 dosages

but that was enough for me!! I had to get my sister to spend the

night incase I died so someone would be with my kids..come to find

out, that's one of the side effects!! OUCH!

Neurotin is OK, that is if you never want to get of of it. It had

the worst withdrawal side effects I ever had. If one does go off of

this drug, it must be done very carefully and slow taper.

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Hmmm - I've been on and off Neurontin four or five times, I think, and while I

tapered some, I haven't had any problems... we all have different chemistry.

I've had bad withdrawl from SSRIs, so I know that dance...yuck. We all have

different chemistry...

~Haley

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Buspar made me think the whole world was doomed! I thought I was

going to die and that very night! I had only taken about 2 dosages

but that was enough for me!! I had to get my sister to spend the

night incase I died so someone would be with my kids..come to find

out, that's one of the side effects!! OUCH!

Neurotin is OK, that is if you never want to get of of it. It had

the worst withdrawal side effects I ever had. If one does go off of

this drug, it must be done very carefully and slow taper.

>

> Zoloft made my anxiety <<<MUCH>>> worse!! OMG. That was worse one

> Rxed for me. It will definately make you more hyper than Buspar!!!

>

~Haley

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I look at it this way when they say it (the medication) shouldn't do that

to you. When you read the info & it says one out of a thousand will suffer

adverse effects someone has to be that one and I happen to be it.

Since then, doctors try to give me Buspar. when I tell themn what

happened, they say it is my mental state. If I can convince them to

read the insert which clearly stated feelings of death or doom, they

say, " he he, you are right! "

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I think you're correct about the nerve damage but I need something to help

me relax. I worry about running any water in my house, rainy days and I am

always checking everything. I wasn't worried about all this 4 yrs. ago when I

got so sick and had to leave work. I know I'm not sick from my home because Dr.

Shoemaker put me in and out of my school, on and off medication and each time

did the blood work to prove that it was from the contaminates in my

building. I haven't had any real problem until just after the new year when I

became

anxious about everything!

Sue

THE REASON THAT THESE MED'S CAUSE BAD REACTIONS IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT

ANIXITY, IT'S PHYSICAL NERVE DAMAGE BECAUSE THE PROTECTIVE MATTER

THAT PROTECTS OUR NERVE ENDINGS IS DAMAGED, I KNOW THIS IS WHY I HAVE

BAD REACTIONS TO MOST MED'S. I CAN ALSO TELL WHEN I'VE BEEN EXPOSED

TO SOMETHING THAT AGGERVATES IT. TRY A SEARCH ON ANXITY VS. NERVE

DAMAGE, IT MAY MOSTLY BE ON ANIMAL STUDIES BUT WHAT'S NEW ABOUT

THAT. HAVEING SAID THAT WHAT ABOUT THIS NIGHTMARE WOULD CAUSE ANXITY

ON TOP OF THAT. SOME WHO DONT HAVE SEVERE NERVE DAMAGE MAY GET SOME

RELIEF WHILE ONES THAT DID IT MAY JUST AGGERVATE THE NERVE DAMAGE.---

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Where do I get them? A vitamin or health food store?

Many people have found that supplementing the diet with amino acids like

5HTP (5hydroxytryptophan5HTP (5hydroxytryptophan<WBR>) helps with anxiety

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It's quite possible that what is happening is some kind of physiological

conflict between these various drugs (which are physiologically active -

physiological activity is sometimes called 'xenobiotic activity') and some

" xenobiotic " component of mold which is also physiologically active in you.

They may be clashing, in some way which could be what causes these

reactions. That clash may be something which is not yet understood. (Science

is always evolving, and many drugs are best classified as 'blunt

instruments' that effect lots of systems that they are not meant to act on

but do.)

For example, some chemical in the mold may be telling some part of your body

to do this and the drug may be telling it or something related, to do the

opposite, and the result is metabolic chaos or worse. Something you feel,

and which makes you feel sick, but which isn't clearly defined by science or

has been ignored intentionally.

I'd expect that the more chronic conditions someone has, or the more drugs

that someone takes for other conditions, the higher a chance there would be

for ANY xenobiotic to cause some undesired action, just because of the

number of variables. (Thats why drug formularies are also a bad idea, BTW,

doctors need to be able to change drugs when one doesn't work or interacts

badly with another drug the patent is already taking.)

Of course, there are lots of people who would like to blame it on you, its

all your own fault, they say, but the reality is that people don't choose to

be sick, its not a lifestyle choice, and many of us have to take drugs of

one kind or another to address illnesses, so we should do our best to avoid

anything ADDITIONAL with xenobiotic activity like mold because its like

playing russian roulette..the chances for some of those effects to be

damaging increases exponentially the more variables that get introduced into

the mix.. even ones which are (wrongfully, IMO) claimed to be 'harmless'

according to those responsible for forcing them on us.

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Since then, doctors try to give me Buspar. when I tell themn what

happened, they say it is my mental state. If I can convince them to

read the insert which clearly stated feelings of death or doom, they

say, " he he, you are right! "

>

>

> Sorry you had the same experience but I'm happy to hear I'm not the

only

> one. Sat. night was the worst and I did think I was going to die. I

was a

> horrible feeling! Thanks for the warning about the withdrawal

effects of Neurotin.

> Thanks,

> Sue

>

> Buspar made me think the whole world was doomed! I thought I was

> going to die and that very night! I had only taken about 2 dosages

> but that was enough for me!! I had to get my sister to spend the

> night incase I died so someone would be with my kids..come to find

> out, that's one of the side effects!! OUCH!

> Neurotin is OK, that is if you never want to get of of it. It had

> the worst withdrawal side effects I ever had. If one does go off

of

> this drug, it must be done very carefully and slow taper.

>

>

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>

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THE REASON THAT THESE MED'S CAUSE BAD REACTIONS IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT

ANIXITY, IT'S PHYSICAL NERVE DAMAGE BECAUSE THE PROTECTIVE MATTER

THAT PROTECTS OUR NERVE ENDINGS IS DAMAGED, I KNOW THIS IS WHY I HAVE

BAD REACTIONS TO MOST MED'S. I CAN ALSO TELL WHEN I'VE BEEN EXPOSED

TO SOMETHING THAT AGGERVATES IT. TRY A SEARCH ON ANXITY VS. NERVE

DAMAGE, IT MAY MOSTLY BE ON ANIMAL STUDIES BUT WHAT'S NEW ABOUT

THAT. HAVEING SAID THAT WHAT ABOUT THIS NIGHTMARE WOULD CAUSE ANXITY

ON TOP OF THAT. SOME WHO DONT HAVE SEVERE NERVE DAMAGE MAY GET SOME

RELIEF WHILE ONES THAT DID IT MAY JUST AGGERVATE THE NERVE DAMAGE.---

In , ssr3351@... wrote:

>

>

> Sorry you had the same experience but I'm happy to hear I'm not the

only

> one. Sat. night was the worst and I did think I was going to die. I

was a

> horrible feeling! Thanks for the warning about the withdrawal

effects of Neurotin.

> Thanks,

> Sue

>

> Buspar made me think the whole world was doomed! I thought I was

> going to die and that very night! I had only taken about 2 dosages

> but that was enough for me!! I had to get my sister to spend the

> night incase I died so someone would be with my kids..come to find

> out, that's one of the side effects!! OUCH!

> Neurotin is OK, that is if you never want to get of of it. It had

> the worst withdrawal side effects I ever had. If one does go off

of

> this drug, it must be done very carefully and slow taper.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I don't take tylenol,. just the sleep aid part of it. It's the one without

the pain reducer in it. Reading seems to help before I go to sleep. Getting

on the computer after 9PM keeps me awake, it must stimulate my brain too much.

I think my biggest issue right now is the anxiety. I just can't seem to

relax, I just worry about everything. Today is a beautiful sunny day so I'm

feeling better but the minute I hear rain I start to get anxious. I saw all tlhe

flooding on the news, in upstate NY, and had to turn it off. I try to focus

on other things but then it starts to creep over me like a wave.

Sue

Sue, Just my opinion, but I would not take Tylenol since it's

effective dose is very close to it's toxic dose. It is VERY hard on

your liver and since mycotoxins are too, I don't think it is worth

it. There are other things. Tylenol works to aid sleep by lowering

your body temperature. Your body has to cool down in order to

sleep, actually your brain has to cool down and a fever reducer dose

that. Possibly a coated aspirin would be better. Read up on

good 'sleep hygiene'. Keeping a regular schedule gets your body

clock working well and your temperature should go up during the day

and down at night if body clock is working well. You can't

come 'down' at night if you didn't get 'up' during the day/bring

your body temperature up, get bright light during the day, associate

relaxation with darkness, etc. Do something repetitive and boring

to relax before bedtime. I play online solitaire. That makes me

very tired. My eyes are too sore at night to read, or watch

something soothing, set television background light to low

brightness, set a sleep switch to turn it off, etc.

Children have died from liver failure from parents giving adult dose

not knowing how toxic it is.

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Thanks, Barb for the excellent information. I know I don't have a Wild Oats

in my area. I think the closest one to land is in NJ which is a shame. I

looked at the website and the store looks wonderful.

I see more and more otc products coming out for anxiety. I go to Wild

Oat grocery store that has alot of health products but any health food

or vitamin store. Whole foods if you have one too. There are tons of

them. You have to experiment around and try them. Right now I like

the Schiff's Knock-Out which has It has vit B6 which in combination

with magnesium has had good effect for me before (Solgar makes a good

magnesium product with vit B6 which is one of few magesium supplements

which had good effect without giving me 'the runs'-magnesium is active

ingredient in Milk of Magnesium and can give you diahrea is you aren't

careful with dose. Knock-Out also has Calcium, magnesium, Melatonin

(3 mg), L-Theanine, Valerian (root I'm assuming) extract, GABA

(gamma=aminobutyric acid. It helps me and I'm hard one to relax. To

be fully honest, I take a benzo though at night!!! ...so telling you

to do something I'm not but I frequently fall asleep before taking

it. I have to slowly taper off of it. NOT because I get withdrawal

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Thanks, I have read the information about Tylenol and don't take it

anymore. When I first started getting sick at school I would take tylenol and

ibprophen all the time for the headaches I would get everyday between 10 and 11

AM.

I always knew what time it was just by the headaches!! Since leaving the

school 4 yrs. ago I can count on two hands the number of headaches I've had. I

haven't even had a common cold, cough, sore throat or sinus infection. I saved

a bundle on kleenex and cough drops!!!

Sue

My sister passed away when she was only 60 due to liver failure. She

suffered a lot of pain due to heart surgery and issues. Her doctors

always told her to take Tylenol. She did not abuse tylenol at all but

it killed her. She would most likely still be alive had it not been

for tylenol. We never know just how weak our internal organs really

are...it is best to not push them. My sister really did not know she

had a weak liver. Every now and then her enzymes would be elevated

and then they would go down again, but it was the liver that gave

out. A doctor once told me there were a record number of people who

would go out drinking and take Tylenol for hangover and die. Yes, it

is toxic alright

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Many people have found that supplementing the diet with amino acids like

5HTP (5hydroxytryptophan) helps with anxiety and it also helps with sleep.

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