New baby

June 16, 2003

Wow, Lynn. Congratulations!!!

Love and hugs,

Carol

[ ] new baby

Hi,

` I thought I would let everyone know, there is a new member to our

family on the way. My son and his wife had little on March 12,

2003. Tonight them came over and told me they are expecting again on

February 1st. This is exciting and fun.

Lynn MeMom

June 16, 2003

Congratulations, Lynn, on the new baby coming! They are always a

wonderful delight.

Much Love...

Tess

June 16, 2003

Congratulations Lynn! Your family is growing and Grandma is glowing

My girlfriend had her 2 girls very close together and everyone thought they

were twins. Is this their second child?

a

> Hi,

> ` I thought I would let everyone know, there is a new member to our

> family on the way. My son and his wife had little on March 12,

> 2003. Tonight them came over and told me they are expecting again on

> February 1st. This is exciting and fun.

> Lynn MeMom

June 16, 2003

Hi a,

No this is Bonnie and 's third, they have a 5 1/2 years old daughter.

After she was born they weren't going to have any more. Bonnie had a very bad

time having her. was so easy I guess they thought it was fun. I think it

is great, always room for more.

How are you feeling? At least today the sun was out, nice for a change.

Lynn

a wrote:

> Congratulations Lynn! Your family is growing and Grandma is glowing

> My girlfriend had her 2 girls very close together and everyone thought they

> were twins. Is this their second child?

> a

>

> > Hi,

> > ` I thought I would let everyone know, there is a new member to our

> > family on the way. My son and his wife had little on March 12,

> > 2003. Tonight them came over and told me they are expecting again on

> > February 1st. This is exciting and fun.

> > Lynn MeMom

>

June 16, 2003

Thanks Tess, I think it is great. We all have enough love for another one. I

been reading about the wedding. It is an exciting time for enjoy. Hope you

enjoy each and every minute of the wedding.

LYnn

tess_northwest@... wrote:

> Congratulations, Lynn, on the new baby coming! They are always a

> wonderful delight.

>

> Much Love...

>

> Tess

>

June 16, 2003

Hi Carol,

Thanks, we were just settling down from Emma's birth on Wednesday. They are

telling everyone in a cute way too. They put a picture of on the thank

you

card for his christening. He is wearing a bib that says I'm the big brother.

Interesting to see how many pick it up. Hope you are feeling well,

Lynn

Carol wrote:

> Wow, Lynn. Congratulations!!!

>

> Love and hugs,

> Carol

>

> [ ] new baby

>

> Hi,

> ` I thought I would let everyone know, there is a new member to our

> family on the way. My son and his wife had little on March 12,

> 2003. Tonight them came over and told me they are expecting again on

> February 1st. This is exciting and fun.

> Lynn MeMom

>

June 17, 2003

Congratulations to all, Lynn!

[ ] new baby

> Hi,

> ` I thought I would let everyone know, there is a new member to our

> family on the way. My son and his wife had little on March 12,

> 2003. Tonight them came over and told me they are expecting again on

> February 1st. This is exciting and fun.

> Lynn MeMom

August 26, 2003

In a message dated 8/26/03 2:15:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

keoneloa@... writes:

> How many folks out there never learn why they are deaf?

Count me in........ other than family history 3 known deafness...........

doctor couldnt find a gene to cuase it....... however....... you could be one

of

many who skipped many generation and both parent must have matching gene

somewhere to have a deaf child.

Your child are lucky to be discovered so early in life. When i was a baby,

there was no way to test a child until we were 3 y.o. at least.

Lee

August 26, 2003

Hi Daisy,

Welcome to the forum! I'm sorry to hear that your baby is deaf but it is

indeed wonderful that you were able to find this out so quickly. I was not

born deaf but I began to lose my hearing around age 12 and became profoundly

deaf in certain frequencies by the time I was implanted at age 39. I never knew

why it happened.

I think it is just fine to use sign language in any way you think is

appropriate. You're the mother!! Whatever communication skills you use to help

foster learning and bonding is all good. When your baby is implanted and has

hearing, things will take their natural course. The younger they are, the

faster they learn.

Good luck and keep in touch with us!

August 26, 2003

Daisy,

Just my personal opinion here. I think that sign language is a wonderful

start because it gives the baby a way to communicate until the vocal cords are

developed. Hearing babies are not able to talk until they are about two years

old anyway. Some babies start talking early (I was 7 months but that's very

unusual!!!!) and others start talking around 10 months old or 15 months old. I

noticed that babies, on the average, start talking at 16 months. And many

babies gesture anyway. It does not have to be formal ASL. I have several oral

deaf friends whose hearing babies are signing.

Best,

A.

In a message dated 8/26/03 2:15:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

keoneloa@... writes:

> Another question: There seems to be a bit of controvery over the use

> of sign language with an implanted child. I had every intention of

> beginning ASL this term at the local university, but I was surprised

> to learn that signing is actually discouraged after implantation

> because is encourages the child to sign rather than listen and

> talk . I'm finding that it's helpful to learn about 100 basic signs

> to use with Maren when her implant will be off, but no more.

August 26, 2003

i'm not even sure what caused my deafness but i was born with bilateral

sensorineural loss and as i got older my hearing deteriorated even more to

profound loss..Im going to be evaluated for CI in Sept.

I have the ability to use sign language wherever necessary but never knew it

till i was 21. I am fortunate to have been mainstreamed all my school years

elem, middle, high school and college. I went to a 4-yr University with the

aid of Sign Language Interpreters which helped me through the roughest times

as my hearing is now to the point where i cannot understand enough without

using Lipreading which is a major eye strain. i have a hard time focusing

by the end of the day since i'd have to lipread every time someone spoke to

me. Also, I never mentioned the fact that i have a congenital cataract of

my left eye in which i cannot see out of. The only way i could lipread is

to use my right eye and focus the most attention i can on the person

speaking to me. I've also had major surgeries to help my developmental

delays which im grateful for and now the only worries i have are my hearing

and eyesight.

I have an 8-yr old niece who is also hard of hearing and it was caused by

lots of ear infections when she was younger...She is aided with 2 hearing

aids and mainstreamed in public schools with an FM system and helped by

AEA..Sometimes the parents are in denial but yet they'll find out sooner or

later whether she'll have problems like me..I had a horrible time with kids

making fun of me etc when i was in school and caused me to be a loner but

now i'm like so what who cares they'll get over it..took me a long time to

get over the fact but yet..Life is not always fair.

Digest Number 604

August 26, 2003

I agree completely. Because three of my grandchildren

were born with clefting issues - speech was a problem

for them and they required extensive speech therapy.

In the process, they also learned basic sign.

In my opinion, learning to sign will only enhance the

child's communication skills.

Alice

--- anneliese37@... wrote:

Daisy,

Just my personal opinion here. I think that sign

language is a wonderful

start because it gives the baby a way to communicate

until the vocal cords are

developed. ---

August 26, 2003

Hi, Daisy:

Welcome to the CI Hear forum, and congratulations on the birth of your baby

Maren.

In terms of using sign language with a deaf child, it's sometimes helpful to

step back from the situation and replace the concept of deafness with

something less emotional.

My brother, for example, adopted a child from Romania a few years ago.

While he and his wife speak English and wanted the child to speak English,

he felt it was appropriate to also recognize my nephew's heritage and learn

to embrace who he is, so my brother and his wife learned some Romanian for

his benefit.

Anne

CII 7/7/2003

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August 27, 2003

Daisy,

Welcome to the forum.

I'm very sorry to hear your little one was born deaf, but I'm also

very glad she will have the chance to hear. You are giving her a

special gift!

I come from a family of several hearing impaired/deaf girls, but none

of us really knows why we we're deaf. we do know it's sensorineural

deafness.

As for sign language.. My sister taught her 2 girls , now ages 13 and

15, sign language right along with teaching them to talk and it never

affected their talking in any way.. believe me.. these two girls can

out talk any talk show host..LOL. I think the decision to teach your

youngster to sign or not is a very personal one.

Wishing you the best as you continue on towards getting a ci for

Maren.

If you have any further questions, ask away.. that's what we're here

for.

Hugs,

Silly in MI

September 12, 2003

Dear Daisy

> Another question: There seems to be a bit of controvery over the use

> of sign language with an implanted child. I had every intention of

> beginning ASL this term at the local university, but I was surprised

> to learn that signing is actually discouraged after implantation

> because is encourages the child to sign rather than listen and

> talk . I'm finding that it's helpful to learn about 100 basic signs

> to use with Maren when her implant will be off, but no more.

This is unfortunate, and a reason that many people in the deaf community

dont like the emphasis experts put on CI's! It is also not true.

Research actually shows that kids who learn sign language often benefit in

their intellectual development. That isnt to say that you should not allow

your daughter to get a CI ... just that, why give only one help when you can

give a variety of help.

CI's arent 100% ... there is a lot to show that prelingually deaf kids can

do really well .. or not so well .. but there is nothing to prove that sign

language holds up their speech. There is actually a case in Australia soon

that will bring a whole lot of research to the surface for this.

Do you know .. if you sign with a baby, they can start to communicate by 7

or 8 months! Baby sign.. for sure ... but definitely communicating!

Cate

New Baby

> Hi Everyone--

>

> Let me start by saying this is my first time posting to this list.

>

> My husband and I had a baby girl, Maren, on April 22nd, 2003. She

> failed her first newborn hearing screening at only five hours of

> age, and failed four more screenings before we left the hospital. We

> finally learned she has profound bilateral hearing loss on June

> 2nd. What a shock that was.

>

> The past four months have been filled with denial, anger, questions,

> research, contacts, discoveries, and the understanding of how

> fortunate we are to have caught this so soon. We plan to have Maren

> implanted with a cochlear implant at age 12 months at Oregon Health

> Sciences University in Portland.

>

> We're still trying to figure out WHY Maren is deaf. The Connexin 26

> test was negative (testing for Pendred's Syndrome still pending). A

> CT and MRI revealled normal anatomy in the inner ear. There is no

> family history of hearing loss, and my pregnancy was normal (other

> than an auto accident at 29 weeks).

> Maren also has an older brother, Tyler (age 11), with normal hearing.

>

> How many folks out there never learn why they are deaf?

>

> Another question: There seems to be a bit of controvery over the use

> of sign language with an implanted child. I had every intention of

> beginning ASL this term at the local university, but I was surprised

> to learn that signing is actually discouraged after implantation

> because is encourages the child to sign rather than listen and

> talk . I'm finding that it's helpful to learn about 100 basic signs

> to use with Maren when her implant will be off, but no more.

>

> Any input from this group would be most helpful. Thank you all in

> advance for sharing. Reading the posts has been so very

> enlightening to say the least. What a terrific resource.

>

> Daisy

> Eugene, Oregon

>

September 12, 2003

What I understand for the reason for discouraging children who received a CI not

to learn ASL is that your brain need to process the new sound that you receive

from the CI. The child needs to learn and associate what the sounds are.

Learning ASL can hamper the learning to hear. Once the child learn to hear and

use the CI, then they can learn ASL if they like.

Dave Pearson

sville, WA

>

> From: " Info Officer " <info_officer@...>

> Date: 2003/09/12 Fri AM 02:02:27 GMT-11:00

> < >

> Subject: Re: New Baby

>

Dave Pearson

April 21, 2004

Dear Trina,

Explain what you know to your son's former teacher. The Thimersol issue is

prime time now; no one will think you're crazy. Besides, the important

thing is to help that innocent baby. Recommend the following two books:

What Your Doctor Won't Tell You about Children's Vaccinations by Dr.

Cave

Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective? by Neil Z.

Also, suggest that she check out the Think Twice Web site:

http://www.thinktwice.com/vac.htm

The Missouri House of Representatives just passed a bill (it's not signed

yet) banning mercury in vaccines and dental fillings by January 1st, 2005

(I just arrived in the DFW area from St. Louis). If the problem weren't

widespread and mainstream, lawmakers wouldn't be addressing it (it's not

like government moves quickly or proactively; government reacts slowly and

after the fact; this just underscores how prevalent this problem is).

I'll be happy to talk to your friend if she would like some info (she's a

teacher, so she should want to LEARN all she can, as she's a new

mom). When a friend of mine was pregnant about a year and a half ago, I

explained the mercury issue to her and gave her the two books I listed

above as gifts (the best gift that that baby could ever receive--a chance

at a normal life!) I wish someone had told me about the risk; I would have

listened.

At 08:45 AM 4/23/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello everyone,

>

>I am sure each of you has had this struggle so perhaps you can help me. I

>just received a email from my NT son's teacher from last year. She and her

>husband struggled to conceive for 2 years and after 24hours of labor have a

>beautiful baby boy. Before she ever conceived she met my autistic son and I

>told her about my concerns about vaccinations. She did not know how to

>relate to Matt and seemed unconcerned about how this could ever happen to

>her. Do I wish her well? Do I remind her of the possible link between

>thermisol and autism? Do I tell her the numbers are now one in 166?

>

>Part of me wants to just ignore my instincts and believe that the AAP knows

>what they are doing and that vaccines are safe and effective. How nice that

>now doctors are being trained on how to spot autism early. And I suppose

>thermisol has been eliminated from vaccines.right?

>

>I feel like the gremlin who goes to a party and pops all the balloons. Or

>chicken little.the SKY is falling.the SKY is falling..

>

>I'm already known as that crazy autism mom.the life of the party until you

>start asking me why I think one of my children has autism. Could you ever

>forgive yourself though if this poor child did become autistic and you said

>nothing? This is my dilemma that I struggle with even with moms at the

>grocery store much less someone I know and care for very much. Your advice

>would be greatly appreciated. Trina Sherman

>

April 21, 2004

Hi,

Yes, we have experienced the same thing with friends and neighbors. People

just find it hard to believe that the medical community (as represented by

the Pharmaceutical companies) don't always operate with OUR best interests

at heart. We all forget they (companies) are driven PRIMARILY by the profit

motive.

We have found the best solution is to buy a couple copies of " What Your

Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations " by Cave

M.D. available at

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0446677078/qid=1082563387/sr=1

-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-8968046-2784849?v=glance & s=books

This is the best source I have found describing and revealing BOTH sides of

vaccinations - benefits AND risks, and it is written by a doctor.

We loan copies of this to people to read when we want to show them the

light. Sometimes it works, remember, you can lead a horse to water but you

can't make them drink!

J. P. Reirdon

Webmaster

http://www.AutismTreatment.info/

You CAN treat Autism!!

Get treatment tips for children with Autism, PDD and Aperger's Syndrome from

parents who have successfully helped their children.

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Fundraising for In-Home treatment programs

Message: 19

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:05 -0500

From: " and Trina Sherman " <csherman7@...>

Subject: new baby

Hello everyone,

I am sure each of you has had this struggle so perhaps you can help me. I

just received a email from my NT son's teacher from last year. She and her

husband struggled to conceive for 2 years and after 24hours of labor have a

beautiful baby boy. Before she ever conceived she met my autistic son and I

told her about my concerns about vaccinations. She did not know how to

relate to Matt and seemed unconcerned about how this could ever happen to

her. Do I wish her well? Do I remind her of the possible link between

thermisol and autism? Do I tell her the numbers are now one in 166?

Part of me wants to just ignore my instincts and believe that the AAP knows

what they are doing and that vaccines are safe and effective. How nice that

now doctors are being trained on how to spot autism early. And I suppose

thermisol has been eliminated from vaccines.right?

I feel like the gremlin who goes to a party and pops all the balloons. Or

chicken little.the SKY is falling.the SKY is falling..

I'm already known as that crazy autism mom.the life of the party until you

start asking me why I think one of my children has autism. Could you ever

forgive yourself though if this poor child did become autistic and you said

nothing? This is my dilemma that I struggle with even with moms at the

grocery store much less someone I know and care for very much. Your advice

would be greatly appreciated. Trina Sherman

April 22, 2004

I HAVE BEEN READING DR. McCANDLESS'S BOOK " CHILDREN WITH STARVING BRAINS. " I

SUGGEST EVERYONE READ IT, THEN DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR CHILDREN,

FOR ME, I, AM, TO DO WHAT SHE SAYS IN THE BOOK FOR MY CHILD. PJ

April 22, 2004

I HAVE BEEN READING DR. McCANDLESS'S BOOK " CHILDREN WITH STARVING BRAINS. " I

SUGGEST EVERYONE READ IT, THEN DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR CHILDREN,

FOR ME, I, AM, TO DO WHAT SHE SAYS IN THE BOOK FOR MY CHILD. PJ

April 22, 2004

I feel like the gremlin who goes to a party and pops

> all the balloons. Or

> chicken little.the SKY is falling.the SKY is

> falling..

>

> I'm already known as that crazy autism mom.the life

> of the party until you

> start asking me why I think one of my children has

> autism. Could you ever

> forgive yourself though if this poor child did

> become autistic and you said

> nothing? This is my dilemma that I struggle with

> even with moms at the

> grocery store much less someone I know and care for

> very much. Your advice

> would be greatly appreciated. Trina Sherman

>

Trina,

That could be me, but I've quit caring what people think of me. Our family

physician agreed to watch two videos I purchased on the subject. One is by Dr.

Mark Geier who is the one who has proven a link between mercury in vaccines and

autism (ADD and learning disabilities). The other is by Dr.Sherri Tenpenney

using the CDC and AMA own documents to prove that nothing they say can be

trusted. I hope it will open his eyes but it is doubtful because he is so

indoctrinated and loyal to the AMA. I'm grateful that the ONLY young mom that

listened is the mother of my son's children (age 4 and 9 months) She recently

received the exemption forms in the mail. She is as adamant on the subject as I

am, but she did her own research, she did not depend on my opinion. I believe

it is the fear factor at work here. They fear what could be done to them by the

authorities if they don't vaccinate (though the new exemption in Texas protects

parents from that now) and they fear the dreaded diseases there children will

get because they believe the scare tactics of the drug manufacturerers.

April 22, 2004