Re: FYI, search feature sux! (Was: How do you cut a scoby?)

[Guest guest]

Sorry Vicki, I was not aware of this problem. Last time I did a

search it all worked well for me, but alas, as you say its been a

while.

Well I don't know what else to tell you. I don't have any magic

bullets and certainly have not maintained all these posts on my

pc. I do have a lot, but those go back way beyond what I have.

I will do some google searches and see what I can come up with.

BTW I am not a moderator even tho that letter says I am. I lost

that privilege when I left the list a year or so ago. Not that it

matters but if you are expecting me to go in and change things- I

simply can't.

Zoe

alt_ideas wrote:

>> A search thru the archives should bring up those posts.

>>

>

> Hi, Zoe. I've noticed that you have continuously recommended

> that folks search the archives. Back in the day, I would have

> agreed with you 100 percent. But during the time that you

> took a hiatus from the list, apparently changed their

> search engine, and it no longer works well... In fact, we've

> had some discussions about that issue. (I *would* say,

> " Search the archives to see it, " but that wouldn't work, LOL!)

>

> This is true for both simple and advanced searches, and is

> extremely frustrating for even long-time users.

>

> As a matter of fact, when you go to the Advanced Search page,

> there is a blurb at the top: " Having problems with message

> search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the

> first to be migrated to the new message search system. "

> (I don't know whether our moderators have done that, BTW.)

>

> For instance, if I search for any posts I've done the last

> few months (and I've posted a LOT!), doesn't matter whether

> I search by " Author " or " Message Body, " the search tool turns

> up nothing at all... :-(

>

> If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

>

> Not trying to give you a hard time, just wanted to bring you

> up to speed. (Especially since I would also like documentation

> about bacteria and yeast being spread throughout layers.)

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vicki in Orlando

>

>

>

>

>> That information came right off this list. A search thru the archives

>> should bring up those posts. Scoby's are good pretty much

>> indefinitely unless you had a problem. Those oldest- darkest

>> layers actually make the best brews. Discarding them would be such

>> a waste !!!!

>> You may do it whichever way you wish of course, but my vote goes for

>> keeping a bit of each layer.

>>

>> zoe

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry Vicki, I was not aware of this problem. Last time I did a

search it all worked well for me, but alas, as you say its been a

while.

Well I don't know what else to tell you. I don't have any magic

bullets and certainly have not maintained all these posts on my

pc. I do have a lot, but those go back way beyond what I have.

I will do some google searches and see what I can come up with.

BTW I am not a moderator even tho that letter says I am. I lost

that privilege when I left the list a year or so ago. Not that it

matters but if you are expecting me to go in and change things- I

simply can't.

Zoe

alt_ideas wrote:

>> A search thru the archives should bring up those posts.

>>

>

> Hi, Zoe. I've noticed that you have continuously recommended

> that folks search the archives. Back in the day, I would have

> agreed with you 100 percent. But during the time that you

> took a hiatus from the list, apparently changed their

> search engine, and it no longer works well... In fact, we've

> had some discussions about that issue. (I *would* say,

> " Search the archives to see it, " but that wouldn't work, LOL!)

>

> This is true for both simple and advanced searches, and is

> extremely frustrating for even long-time users.

>

> As a matter of fact, when you go to the Advanced Search page,

> there is a blurb at the top: " Having problems with message

> search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the

> first to be migrated to the new message search system. "

> (I don't know whether our moderators have done that, BTW.)

>

> For instance, if I search for any posts I've done the last

> few months (and I've posted a LOT!), doesn't matter whether

> I search by " Author " or " Message Body, " the search tool turns

> up nothing at all... :-(

>

> If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

>

> Not trying to give you a hard time, just wanted to bring you

> up to speed. (Especially since I would also like documentation

> about bacteria and yeast being spread throughout layers.)

>

> Best regards,

>

> Vicki in Orlando

>

>

>

>

>> That information came right off this list. A search thru the archives

>> should bring up those posts. Scoby's are good pretty much

>> indefinitely unless you had a problem. Those oldest- darkest

>> layers actually make the best brews. Discarding them would be such

>> a waste !!!!

>> You may do it whichever way you wish of course, but my vote goes for

>> keeping a bit of each layer.

>>

>> zoe

>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

" doesn't matter whether I search by " Author " or " Message Body, " the search tool

turns up nothing at all... :-( "

You mean gives you a choice? I have *one* wee window with " Search Mail "

and

" that shallot "

It will toss out an answer, (Dependent upon whether I enter an author or a

subject) but it is, as often as not about as much use as the proverbial

chocolate Fireguard

.

(UK)

________________________________

From: alt_ideas <alt_ideas@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Sunday, 6 September, 2009 17:04:41

Subject: FYI, " search " feature sux! (Was: How do you cut a scoby?)

> A search thru the archives should bring up those posts.

Hi, Zoe. I've noticed that you have continuously recommended

that folks search the archives. Back in the day, I would have

agreed with you 100 percent. But during the time that you

took a hiatus from the list, apparently changed their

search engine, and it no longer works well... In fact, we've

had some discussions about that issue. (I *would* say,

" Search the archives to see it, " but that wouldn't work, LOL!)

This is true for both simple and advanced searches, and is

extremely frustrating for even long-time users.

As a matter of fact, when you go to the Advanced Search page,

there is a blurb at the top: " Having problems with message

search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the

first to be migrated to the new message search system. "

(I don't know whether our moderators have done that, BTW.)

For instance, if I search for any posts I've done the last

few months (and I've posted a LOT!), doesn't matter whether

I search by " Author " or " Message Body, " the search tool turns

up nothing at all... :-(

If you don't believe me, try it yourself.

Not trying to give you a hard time, just wanted to bring you

up to speed. (Especially since I would also like documentation

about bacteria and yeast being spread throughout layers.)

Best regards,

Vicki in Orlando

[Guest guest]

> if you are expecting me to go in and change things-

> I simply can't.

So I guess that means you can't do anything about world peace,

either? <sigh> And I was SO counting on you...

<teasing!>

1st, no reason to apologize. Just wanted you to know how

frustrating the search feature is now. Especially since there

IS such a wealth of info in the archives!

Also, didn't know you used to be a moderator, tho' I shouldn't

be surprised, as your knowledge seems vast, and you are eager

to help folks, and discuss various topics.

I probably was, however, hoping that the mods would let us know

whether any of them has filled out that form... (Tho' even if

they have, I'm not holding my breath on the search feature!)

No ill feelings, I hope!

Vicki

> >> A search thru the archives should bring up those posts.

> >>

> >

> > Hi, Zoe. I've noticed that you have continuously recommended

> > that folks search the archives. Back in the day, I would have

> > agreed with you 100 percent. But during the time that you

> > took a hiatus from the list, apparently changed their

> > search engine, and it no longer works well... In fact, we've

> > had some discussions about that issue. (I *would* say,

> > " Search the archives to see it, " but that wouldn't work, LOL!)

[Guest guest]

No hard feelings at all Vicki,

I may be outspoken to the point of being tactless at times,

but I don't hold grudges and am not that easily upset.

Now my search of Google has totally blown my mind. I can't believe

the amount of mis-dis-information that is being spread and how many

folks are being sheeples and blindly following !!!! Folks, be

glad you found your way here.

First page I went to this lady actually told her people to use MOV

if they didn't have a proper Scoby !!!!! ACKKKKKK. LOL

Then I found a site where they systematically are making what they

call Kombucha with nothing but fruits and juices - no tea at

all!!! After that I couldn't bear to look any more cuz even if

I had found the information I sought I wouldn't have been able to

trust it.

The web is a very powerful tool, but misused can also be a very

dangerous weapon. Be careful and never give up on your own best

judgement. The above dis-information I found to be replicated on

site after site- it was frightening.

I don't care how many times you repeat a lie and how many people

believe it - ITS STILL a LIE.

Now someone on this list ( don't remember who but they had somewhat of

a scientific background) mentioned that the goodies may not be

spread evenly thru-out the scoby layers and suggested that we cut

them in pie shaped wedges. OK so that was hearsay and not proof,

but it made sense to me. Take a look at your own scoby's, do all

the layers look the same ? particularly when you include the

" mother " Mine don't- this is why I try to always include a piece

of the mother with as many babies as I have.

Those " mothers " , contrary to what some folks are saying, remain

viable almost indefinitely. They look ugly to be sure and I think

this may be why they want to get rid of them quick. I ( and

others) have found that the uglier the scoby, the better the brew.

Another experiment is afoot. Will be in my next post.

zoe

alt_ideas wrote:

>> if you are expecting me to go in and change things-

>> I simply can't.

>>

>

> So I guess that means you can't do anything about world peace,

> either? <sigh> And I was SO counting on you...

>

> <teasing!>

>

> 1st, no reason to apologize. Just wanted you to know how

> frustrating the search feature is now. Especially since there

> IS such a wealth of info in the archives!

>

> Also, didn't know you used to be a moderator, tho' I shouldn't

> be surprised, as your knowledge seems vast, and you are eager

> to help folks, and discuss various topics.

>

> I probably was, however, hoping that the mods would let us know

> whether any of them has filled out that form... (Tho' even if

> they have, I'm not holding my breath on the search feature!)

>

> No ill feelings, I hope!

>

> Vicki

>

>

>

>>

>>>> A search thru the archives should bring up those posts.

>>>>

>>>>

>>> Hi, Zoe. I've noticed that you have continuously recommended

>>> that folks search the archives. Back in the day, I would have

>>> agreed with you 100 percent. But during the time that you

>>> took a hiatus from the list, apparently changed their

>>> search engine, and it no longer works well... In fact, we've

>>> had some discussions about that issue. (I *would* say,

>>> " Search the archives to see it, " but that wouldn't work, LOL!)

>>>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was able to find the messages also, after a couple of tries. It often

is just a matter of getting the " exactly right " words, which isn't an

easy thing if you weren't there for the original conversation. Although

that won't help with newer messages if they aren't showing up.

After reading the info, this is my thought on this " cutting the scoby "

question. When I talked about separating them, I was referring to

separating multiple scobys by tearing (if necessary) the layers apart.

When people talk of the bacteria and yeast being spread through layers,

I am thinking this happens in each separate scoby baby as it forms. I

wouldn't think they could they migrate later, after formation, to

different layers of a multiple-layered scoby, but what do I know?

So, if that were the case that they stay put once formed, then we could

separate moms and babies when needed without it affecting our brew, but

if we want to separate a single scoby, then it should be done by cutting

down through it. Otherwise, eventually you would have a humongous

scoby, inches deep, and then how would it fit in your brewing container?

Thanks,

Polly

[Guest guest]

Polly,

Please read Roussin's post. If you didn't already know it he

is one of the most noted Guru's of Kombucha and from a scientific

point of view.

The bacteria and yeasts were found to have done exactly what you

don't seem to think they do. Each of them hangs out on separate

layers. So if you pull them apart you are only getting part of

the goodies. Cutting in wedges gives you a chance to get a good

cross section of whatever there is in that brew.

You can find that post at OR you can read where I copy pasted

his post just yesterday. Its a lengthy read and a technical one

but well worth the time and trouble.

His information is backed up by a scientific experiment which he

cites in depth. This is not just someones " think so " .

zoe

Polly wrote:

> I was able to find the messages also, after a couple of tries. It often

> is just a matter of getting the " exactly right " words, which isn't an

> easy thing if you weren't there for the original conversation. Although

> that won't help with newer messages if they aren't showing up.

>

> After reading the info, this is my thought on this " cutting the scoby "

> question. When I talked about separating them, I was referring to

> separating multiple scobys by tearing (if necessary) the layers apart.

> When people talk of the bacteria and yeast being spread through layers,

> I am thinking this happens in each separate scoby baby as it forms. I

> wouldn't think they could they migrate later, after formation, to

> different layers of a multiple-layered scoby, but what do I know?

>

> So, if that were the case that they stay put once formed, then we could

> separate moms and babies when needed without it affecting our brew, but

> if we want to separate a single scoby, then it should be done by cutting

> down through it. Otherwise, eventually you would have a humongous

> scoby, inches deep, and then how would it fit in your brewing container?

>

> Thanks,

> Polly

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I *thought* I read it, but perhaps not closely enough. Will look

at it again, thanks.

zoew wrote:

> Polly,

> Please read Roussin's post. If you didn't already know it he

> is one of the most noted Guru's of Kombucha and from a scientific

> point of view.

>