Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 , I think that it is great that you think that the supplements that you have given your children have improved their health. Unfortunately personal impressions do not make a scientific study. Not only do we not know what these products do to normal healthy individuals but we don't know what they do to someone with an abnormal immune system. The immune system is constantly being bombarded and reacting. It seems to me that a lot of time is spent on this list is spent on talking about what to give a child with an already overburdened immune system instead of what you could be doing to lighten the load of that immune system. It may be that money spent on supplements would be better spent on an air filter for a child's bedroom. Kathy R -Northern New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2001 Report Share Posted May 26, 2001 Kathy...many people agree with you! If they didn't I would have sold a lot more of the stuff and I would be still selling it! When selling I was always sure to make the disclaimer that much of the evidence on a lot of the products claims was circumstantial and NOT scientific. Maybe thats why I didn't sell more! The other thing I always told was that my kids were always healthy prior to using the products. In fact one doctor who was doing Secretin for my more sever son was very surprised that his nutritional analyses was so " normal " . Anyway...I wanted to bring up the Mannatech/Ambrotose claims so someone can look into them further. If a treatment works for one child it may work for another (not saying that it worked on mune btw) and all parents deserve the right to hear about all treatments no matter how obscure and then make their own decisions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2001 Report Share Posted May 28, 2001 Ambrotose increased the NK cell activity in an independent reesearch study conducted ... 48% Trasnfer Factor increased the NK cell activity by 103% and Transfer Factor Plus increased the NK cell activity by 248% see the results on FOD 1-800-856-6628. For more information email or phone 1-615-888-2180 J W Austin NK cells > When I used to sell Mannatech products, they had a study that showed their > product Ambrotose (which was in practically everything they sold) had > increased the NK cell level in even " healthy " people. While I am no longer > selling the stuff { unless everyone starts to want to buy it from me again > :-) } my kids still do eat the PhytoBears and for the 3rd year in a row since > on the products they only got very mild colds this winter. I do believe this > Ambrotose stuff has some merit in increasing the NK cell level.... > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Do you know if the independant study is available online? The only things I saw were from them. Surprisingly at the corporate website in their Q & A section they referred to Dr. See's study. I can't figure that out after all the publicity when it was disclosed there was no study. I think it is probably better to get these nutrients through a good diet. Alot of our kids don't do well on alot of supplements. I think whey products (colostrum aka transfer factor) wouldn't be an option for any of our kids because they avoid all milk and dairy. The only recommendation I've heard Dr. G. make is to take a good basic multi, no high potency. Even with that we waited until things were under control to make sure there were no adverse effects. >From: " jwhelp " <jwhelp@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: NK cells >Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:38:46 -0700 > >Ambrotose increased the NK cell activity in an independent reesearch study >conducted ... 48% Trasnfer Factor increased the NK cell activity by 103% >and >Transfer Factor Plus increased the NK cell activity by 248% see the results >on FOD 1-800-856-6628. For more information email or phone 1-615-888-2180 >J W Austin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 Hello Cheryl, The independent research study was published online on teh www.4-life.com under news and events - however I was told it is no longer there since things are changing so fast with the company. If it is not there it is on the Fax on Demand on toll free 1-800-856-6628, also it was published in the JANA - Feb 1999 issue. I am sorry that I do not have a copy of that magazine artilce myself. However I have enclosed a copy of the 1 of the clinical research studies that I have. As far as children who avoid milk Transfer Factor is not colostrum - it is simply 100% extraction of transfer factors from the colostrum. That is why anyone who is lactose intolerant can safely take Transfer Factor. There are no adverse side effects from Transfer Factor at all. Re: NK cells > >Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 13:38:46 -0700 > > > >Ambrotose increased the NK cell activity in an independent reesearch study > >conducted ... 48% Trasnfer Factor increased the NK cell activity by 103% > >and > >Transfer Factor Plus increased the NK cell activity by 248% see the results > >on FOD 1-800-856-6628. For more information email or phone 1-615-888-2180 > >J W Austin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the > opinion of the Research Institute. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 , I agree with you in spirit but not in practice. There are a percentage of people who will investigate and have the frame of reference that will allow for informed decision making. There are also parents that will try anything because an acquaintance recommended it or worse they read about it on the web. It really disturbs me when people ask for specifics on therapies from someone on the web and give the impression that they actually are going to try that therapy/supplement/whatever on their own child! I have worked with too many parents of special needs kids who have spent thousands on therapies that make no sense whatsoever. I will be the first to state however, that my background is public health which is a discipline that lives and breathes research. I had been looking for an immune based protocol for my own child for seven years when I found out about . Based upon all of the research I had done, and the patients I had been seeing it made perfect sense to me but prior to starting it I read everything. I read the hypothesis and looked up and read every research article in the bibliography and then submitted the hypothesis to a pediatrician and a family practice doc for their opinions before I called for the paperwork. Yes, I think that people should be exposed to everything that is available but I''m not sure that everyone makes prudent decisions with that information. , I have always admired your frankness about your connection with the products that you mention in your postings. I'd like to think that everyone is that honest but I''m not sure that is the case! Kathy Northern New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2001 Report Share Posted June 2, 2001 The problem for some kids is that their NK cells are elevated. Lab tests have to be interpreted in the light of a history and a physical. Treating a lab test is never a good idea. Kathy R Northern New York Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2001 Report Share Posted June 4, 2001 I looked at some of the sites and they kept referring to studies done at the Institute of Longevity Medicine. They didn't have anything on the actual study. Then I did a search and found that the " Institute " is an anti-aging clinic. I looked a little more and look who they say did the study. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!! No wonder it's not on the websites. I can't believe they are using the JANA publication from 1999 as their scientific proof. First Mannatec, now this company. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Los Gatos Longevity Institute is the first and foremost medical provider of Longevity and AntiAging Medicine in Northern California -- dedicated to the proposition that Aging is a Treatable Condition. http://www.antiaging.com/antiaging.html 4Life Transfer Factor™ & Transfer Factor Plus™ Unprecedented Immune Boosting Ability Tests from The Institute of Longevity Medicine by Darryl See, M.D. http://www.4tf.com/nk_chart.htm http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Mannatech/evans3.html >From: " jwhelp " <jwhelp@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: NK cells >Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:54:55 -0700 > >Hello Cheryl, > >The independent research study was published online on teh www.4-life.com >under news and events - however I was told it is no longer there since >things are changing so fast with the company. If it is not there it is on >the Fax on Demand on toll free 1-800-856-6628, also it was published in the >JANA - Feb 1999 issue. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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