Re: Re: Liberty, Raw Milk, Quality Food Choices, Ron , Tuesday Caucus and Delegates

[Guest guest]

I'm relatively new to this group.  Is it customary in this group for there to

be this sort of political dogma broadcasted?  If so, I no longer wish to be a

part of this group.  I'm just here to talk, share, and learn from others about

healthy food.  

-K

 

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From: Alvin S <mnorganiceggs@...>

Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:04 PM

Subject: Re: Liberty, Raw Milk, Quality Food Choices, Ron , Tuesday

Caucus and Delegates

 

I'll be a our caucus in Central MN on Tuesday evening and you all should be

supporting liberty in any way you can as well! It's crunch time for preserving

our rights in Minnesota and nationwide. A leader has emerged! The time has come

to support this movement! NOW!

>

> Hi Traditional Foodies,

>

> Tuesday, Feb 7 is a critical day to help support regaining our liberties by

connecting with the Ron campaign, going to caucus

[Guest guest]

Is this serious? People who yammer on about 'liberty' at the same

time they use phrases like 'a leader has emerged,' then seem to think

'liberty' constitutes following said 'leader' --make me more than a

bit nervous.

Secondly, if your political universe is so narrow, so myopic that

your only concern in voting for someone is that they'll allow you to

buy raw milk, you're really making an argument that you don't deserve

the franchise. It's in the same logical universe as supporting Pol

Pot because he'd let you buy a certain variety of socks. I should

remind the reader that the raw milk you'd get would be produced in an

environment of heavily polluted water, soil and air (mmm Chernobyl

milk!, but it's raw!). There are certain other drawbacks to the sort

of unregulated capitalism being advocated by Mr. that any

credible historian of the nineteenth century can acquaint you with--

child labor, sweatshops, 16hr days, maimed former laborers reduced to

begging, it's quite a list.

On Feb 5, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Alvin S wrote:

> I'll be a our caucus in Central MN on Tuesday evening and you all

> should be supporting liberty in any way you can as well! It's

> crunch time for preserving our rights in Minnesota and nationwide.

> A leader has emerged! The time has come to support this movement! NOW!

>

>

> >

> > Hi Traditional Foodies,

> >

> > Tuesday, Feb 7 is a critical day to help support regaining our

> liberties by connecting with the Ron campaign, going to caucus

>

>

[Guest guest]

Exactly correct. Eliminate EPA, roll back decades of environmental protections,

but pass the raw milk!

Good grief.

Hoffer

On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Lamping <christopher.lamping@...>

wrote:

> Is this serious? People who yammer on about 'liberty' at the same

> time they use phrases like 'a leader has emerged,' then seem to think

> 'liberty' constitutes following said 'leader' --make me more than a

> bit nervous.

>

> Secondly, if your political universe is so narrow, so myopic that

> your only concern in voting for someone is that they'll allow you to

> buy raw milk, you're really making an argument that you don't deserve

> the franchise. It's in the same logical universe as supporting Pol

> Pot because he'd let you buy a certain variety of socks. I should

> remind the reader that the raw milk you'd get would be produced in an

> environment of heavily polluted water, soil and air (mmm Chernobyl

> milk!, but it's raw!). There are certain other drawbacks to the sort

> of unregulated capitalism being advocated by Mr. that any

> credible historian of the nineteenth century can acquaint you with--

> child labor, sweatshops, 16hr days, maimed former laborers reduced to

> begging, it's quite a list.

>

> On Feb 5, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Alvin S wrote:

>

>> I'll be a our caucus in Central MN on Tuesday evening and you all

>> should be supporting liberty in any way you can as well! It's

>> crunch time for preserving our rights in Minnesota and nationwide.

>> A leader has emerged! The time has come to support this movement! NOW!

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hi Traditional Foodies,

>>>

>>> Tuesday, Feb 7 is a critical day to help support regaining our

>> liberties by connecting with the Ron campaign, going to caucus

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i hope we're not going to descend into the murky world of negative comments like

we've done a couple times in the past.  

on this list there are folks with every political background...  so while most

everyone on this list shares many of the same food values, it doesn't mean that

we hold the same political values.  i have NO problem being informed, via the

TFMN list, about political events that might affect our food access (ETC).

 even if said political event is not my cup of tea.  but i do object to having

to witness political debates via the TFMN list.  

so let's just respect each other.  if you have something to tell us about [a

petition we can sign, an article to read, a rally, a trial, a speaker, another

group, ETC] that has to do with access to healthy food/protection of

healthy food - then please post it.  but let's leave out judgmental comments or

responses.   

i love the connections for group buying etc that i get on the list, but know

what i miss?  we used to do a lot more posting of recipes and yummy ideas for

dinner ( " what did you make for dinner last night? " ), school lunches, etc.  I'd

love to see more of that again!

julie

From: olylifter84 <olylifter84@...>

Subject: Re: Liberty, Raw Milk, Quality Food Choices, Ron , Tuesday

Caucus and Delegates

Date: Sunday, February 5, 2012, 11:43 PM

 

This is a group dedicated to nutritious and traditional foods. Talking

about the only presidential candidate who would benefit the members of this

group (during an election year, no less) seems pertinent to me. If you don't

like something, you could always just ignore post (like I do for most of the

posts on here). If someone doesn't like something, why do they think that

posting that they might leave will elicit some kind of positive response? If you

don't like it, just leave. Easy as that.

> >

> > Hi Traditional Foodies,

> >

> > Tuesday, Feb 7 is a critical day to help support regaining our liberties by

connecting with the Ron campaign, going to caucus

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good points. Maybe I am naive, but I don't believe that Mr wants to through

the baby out with the bath water and back track on all regulation. Obviously

some regulations is good. But currently " regulations " are written by te

industries they are policing, the FDA is performing one fifth the number of

inspections they did in 1970 with a much smaller food supply. The conventional

food supply is not currently safe. That's why we are part of this group, we are

looking for alternatives

That said, in the current environment, (ie patriot act and draconian Tsa, a

govt that subsidizes the wealthy corporations, big agg etc, robbing from the

poor to pay the rich with a few small safety net features that no longer are

strong enough anyway, it might be better to radical refuse everything, get big

business, big food, big war put of politics and start over.

The Monsanto take over of our food supply is a huge issue- 90% of our staples.

And how many of our farmers are put of business?

Sent from my iPod

On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:18 AM, <christopherhoffer@...> wrote:

Exactly correct. Eliminate EPA, roll back decades of environmental protections,

but pass the raw milk!

Good grief.

Hoffer

On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Lamping <christopher.lamping@...>

wrote:

> Is this serious? People who yammer on about 'liberty' at the same

> time they use phrases like 'a leader has emerged,' then seem to think

> 'liberty' constitutes following said 'leader' --make me more than a

> bit nervous.

>

> Secondly, if your political universe is so narrow, so myopic that

> your only concern in voting for someone is that they'll allow you to

> buy raw milk, you're really making an argument that you don't deserve

> the franchise. It's in the same logical universe as supporting Pol

> Pot because he'd let you buy a certain variety of socks. I should

> remind the reader that the raw milk you'd get would be produced in an

> environment of heavily polluted water, soil and air (mmm Chernobyl

> milk!, but it's raw!). There are certain other drawbacks to the sort

> of unregulated capitalism being advocated by Mr. that any

> credible historian of the nineteenth century can acquaint you with--

> child labor, sweatshops, 16hr days, maimed former laborers reduced to

> begging, it's quite a list.

>

> On Feb 5, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Alvin S wrote:

>

>> I'll be a our caucus in Central MN on Tuesday evening and you all

>> should be supporting liberty in any way you can as well! It's

>> crunch time for preserving our rights in Minnesota and nationwide.

>> A leader has emerged! The time has come to support this movement! NOW!

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hi Traditional Foodies,

>>>

>>> Tuesday, Feb 7 is a critical day to help support regaining our

>> liberties by connecting with the Ron campaign, going to caucus

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good points. Maybe I am naive, but I don't believe that Mr wants to through

the baby out with the bath water and back track on all regulation. Obviously

some regulations is good. But currently " regulations " are written by te

industries they are policing, the FDA is performing one fifth the number of

inspections they did in 1970 with a much smaller food supply. The conventional

food supply is not currently safe. That's why we are part of this group, we are

looking for alternatives

That said, in the current environment, (ie patriot act and draconian Tsa, a

govt that subsidizes the wealthy corporations, big agg etc, robbing from the

poor to pay the rich with a few small safety net features that no longer are

strong enough anyway, it might be better to radical refuse everything, get big

business, big food, big war put of politics and start over.

The Monsanto take over of our food supply is a huge issue- 90% of our staples.

And how many of our farmers are put of business?

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[Guest guest]

i would really like that. the political talk was old the first time and has now

become rancid.

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From: user2112a <user2112@...>

Subject: Re: Liberty, Raw Milk, Quality Food Choices, Ron , Tuesday

Caucus and Delegates

Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 3:59 PM

 

I am a member of this group so I can get reliable information on safe,

nutritionally dense foods. I don't believe this is the place for discussion of

religion or politics. I think we make traditional foods less available by

continuing the Ron discussion here.

I love to have discussions of religion and politics more than the average

person. But I will bite my tongue.

Might I suggest, folks who want to discuss Ron 's position on raw milk start

a Group to that end. Then send us an invite. I will join you.

PS. Please trim your posts.

[Guest guest]

well, thanks for sharing. i actually come from a farming family but no thanks

for the assumption.

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From: Alvin S <mnorganiceggs@...>

Subject: Re: Liberty, Raw Milk, Quality Food Choices, Ron , Tuesday

Caucus and Delegates

Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 7:51 PM

 

I'll make one more comment to this thread seeing as there are not many

farmers in this circle that will comment on what it is like to have government

employees along with city cops, take away the private food(of 50 families)as if

we were dealing illegal drugs. If you think that quality food just happens to

appear at your corner grocer (or at your dropsite) and that nature and our

creator have no part in that, you really are not at all aware of what makes food

REAL. Good luck with that! This discussion is as much about the need for less

government as it is about any individual promoting that idea for the past 30

years! Perhaps you can't see the forest for the trees. Alvin

>

> i would really like that. the political talk was old