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Flu Shot Increases Viral LoadMarch 1, 2004 Hi LLoyd,This is about my mother and her test results. She is on your program and did the viral load test in the lab. Her ALT, AST are good, dropped to AST 46 and ALT 62 (which is almost half of what she had). The viral load results are really strange (to say the least) but they were done in different labs. Any ideas on whether there could be just test compatability problem, seems the same units to me. Also she talked with another HCV patient who was treated by

homeopathic doctor. Then this person had a flu and the viral load jumped to tens of millions. I think that could be the case with my mom, since we all had a flu recently. Did you hear of any correlation with recent flu and viral load? Is that a temporary screw up on the test because of the flu or this is just the progression of HEP C?As of 09/29/03 she had NCV RNA (BDNA) Quant 965,227 IU/ML. As of 02/02/04 she had HCV Quantasure plus and it showed 84,200,000 IU/ML. This email has been altered as it came with a warning that it is confidential. The numbers are the same and I am using it to demonstrate a very important point. I have been telling people for 5 years that the flu shot will raise the viral load. I never tell anyone not to have one, I just want people to know what

is going to happen when they get one. The same holds true for the Hepatitis A & Hepatitis B vaccine. Further, any vaccine that puts a load on the immune system will have a similar result. This person had a 83 million point rise in the viral load from a flu shot. In good healthLloyd Health Supreme!After telling us to get our flu shots this past season, flu experts are now admitting that they could not - and still can not - predict what strain of the virus will be predominant in any coming season. So composing the vaccine is somewhat like trying to hit the winning lottery ticket. "We were unable to demonstrate vaccine effectiveness against influenza-like illness," said the CDC's Dr. Carolyn Bridges, who studied how well the vaccine worked.

What's more, there apparently are no co-ordinated efforts to collect observations about the effectiveness of the vaccines that everyone does get, or about the side effects of the shots. "We really need to have a system in place year to year that tracks the efficacy of the vaccine", says Dr. Bruce Gellin, Director of the HHS National Vaccine Program Office. What kind of 'science' is that? Belief in medical dogma unfortunately will not protect us from widespread adverse effects and the death toll of the pharma-based medical system, but it certainly helps keep the pharma-medical industry afloat. (2/19/2004 11:55:54 AM) Note from LloydAre we so brain washed that we have allowed the medical world to have convinced us to do something that

really has little or no impact? In regard to Hepatitis C we did accept a disabling treatment worse than the disease. We are now seeing that it does not work. Sure enough they are working to make money from the masses. If you want to prevent the flu, try some Absorbic <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Oh my gosh, fluy shots raise the virla load?

How?> Your hallowed leader here, has been taken down a notch or two by a virus of a different sort. A stomach virus!!> I went and spent Thanksgiving with my youngun's in Broken Arrow. We were only there one night. But I brought home with me a case of the stomach virus. > I was laying in bed last night thinking to myself, even treatment didn't feel this bad. LOL> I should know since I have been through

treatment twice.> Fair warning to all my friends here, run don't walk and get your flu shot. You do NOT want to get this flu. > This is day three and I still feel like roadkill> And toliet paper no matter what kind is soft enough. YOu get it from both ends believe me.> FLU SHOTS PEOPLE, FLU SHOTS!!> Love> Janet> > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile > > > > > Tim Parsons > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > 865-588-2465 x107 work> > > www.knoxville1.com> > > > ---------------------------------> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business.>Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work

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The flu shots 10 years ago were made from "live" virus and that is NOT the case these days, the shots are made from KILLED VIRUS unless you use the nasal spray and anyone who is on tx should only use the shot and NOT the spray or at least that is what I have been told.. IF you get the flu, GET TO THE DOC IMMEDIATELY!!!! Do not wait,, IF YOU SUSPECT you have it,, get to the doc NOW!!!! I always get a flu shot and while I had ONE REACTION that was years ago when they used the LIVE virus,, but since I have been having the killed virus shots, I have only had a sore arm,,,,, Anyone who has a chronic illness SHOULD get a flu shot! THATS MY story and Im STICKIN to it! lol jax <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Oh my gosh, fluy shots raise the virla load? How?> Your hallowed leader here, has been taken down a notch or two by a virus of a different sort. A stomach virus!!> I went and

spent Thanksgiving with my youngun's in Broken Arrow. We were only there one night. But I brought home with me a case of the stomach virus. > I was laying in bed last night thinking to myself, even treatment didn't feel this bad. LOL> I should know since I have been through treatment twice.> Fair warning to all my friends here, run don't walk and get your flu shot. You do NOT want to get this flu. > This is day three and I still feel like roadkill> And toliet paper no matter what kind is soft enough. YOu get it from both ends believe me.> FLU SHOTS PEOPLE, FLU SHOTS!!> Love> Janet> > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile > > > > > Tim Parsons > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > 865-588-2465 x107 work> > > www.knoxville1.com> >

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Hi Jackie,

Personally I don’t take a flu shot,

haven’t for years and haven’t had a bit of flu. However, I take colloidal silver (make it

myself) and it kills single cell pathogens.

As well as taking it internally I spray my face, particularly my eyes with it

when I come in from a place where I am around people (the grocery, our

daughter’s school, etc.)

I also spray all produce, makes it last much longer in the fridge. Our daughter has not missed a day of

school for illness in years. Another

advantage of this method of flu prevention is that CS attacks all virus it

comes in contact with..

Nikki

The flu shots 10 years ago were made from " live " virus and

that is NOT the case these days, the shots are made from KILLED VIRUS unless

you use the nasal spray and anyone who is on tx should only use the shot and

NOT the spray or at least that is what I have been told.. IF you get the flu, GET TO THE DOC IMMEDIATELY!!!!

Do not wait,, IF YOU SUSPECT you have it,, get to the doc NOW!!!!

I always get a flu shot and while I had ONE REACTION that was years ago

when they used the LIVE virus,, but since I have been having the killed virus

shots, I have only had a sore arm,,,,,

Anyone who has a chronic illness SHOULD get a flu shot! THATS MY story

and Im STICKIN to it! lol

jax

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I am better today than yesterday, still have the eck stomach but able to hold down a muffin today, and a little bit of weak tea. Thanks so much for the sweet thoughts. Love Janet <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Oh, Janet, I pray for your swift recovery! Sounds absolutely miserable. The kids pick up stuff at school and bring it home to us, don't they...hard to avoid.And I did

try to get a flu shot...I was in San Diego this weekend (I actually took 3 teenagers to the zoo this weekend and didn't have a single "horrible fatigue experience"!), and there was a nurse set up outside of the Longs Drugs downtown. She was doing flu shots for $25, and I was all ready to have it, until I revealed that I had had number 2 of my hep B series the previous day. She said I had to wait 14 days until I could get the flu shot!In the meantime, I guess I will keep up my regimen of Vitamin C and Echinacea tea, and all the rest of it. And will keep praying for you to feel better soon!>> Your hallowed leader here, has been taken down a notch or two by a virus of a different sort. A stomach virus!!> I went and spent Thanksgiving with my

youngun's in Broken Arrow. We were only there one night. But I brought home with me a case of the stomach virus. > I was laying in bed last night thinking to myself, even treatment didn't feel this bad. LOL> I should know since I have been through treatment twice.> Fair warning to all my friends here, run don't walk and get your flu shot. You do NOT want to get this flu. > This is day three and I still feel like roadkill> And toliet paper no matter what kind is soft enough. YOu get it from both ends believe me.> FLU SHOTS PEOPLE, FLU SHOTS!!> Love> Janet> > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile>Take the ordinary things

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Sorry Tim, But I don't believe every thing I read on the net. Because and let me tell you why I believe this. I have had extensive education in science, earth science, chemical science, general physical science,chemistry,anatomy,physiology, organic chemistry,inorganic chemistry and so forth. Having said that okay. OKAY,OKAY I know I am a Science Geek. It is like digging to a pot of information in my brain when it comes to recognizing somethings. Like two different types of virus. A herpes virus is not the same under the microscope as a HCV virus. I have actually looked under specialized microscopes to see the different types of virus. (Big honkin' microscopes hooked up to a monitor to display the slides.) They look entirely different. What a flu shot does, as I explained in the last email is. Introduce the killed virus to the body. (these are not live viruses) and then the body recognizes the virus as a invading body. It ain't supposed to be there. So the body(immune system-natural interferon.) sets out to build immunity against the disease in this cause this particular strain of stomach or flu virus. After you have had the shot, and you come into contact with the virus. You will either have enough immunity cells built up to fight it off , or if you get it will not last long because the immunity system has identified this as a invader and kicks butt and takes name. Love Janet Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...>

wrote: Flu Shot Increases Viral LoadMarch 1, 2004 Hi LLoyd,This is about my mother and her test

results. She is on your program and did the viral load test in the lab. Her ALT, AST are good, dropped to AST 46 and ALT 62 (which is almost half of what she had). The viral load results are really strange (to say the least) but they were done in different labs. Any ideas on whether there could be just test compatability problem, seems the same units to me. Also she talked with another HCV patient who was treated by homeopathic doctor. Then this person had a flu and the viral load jumped to tens of millions. I think that could be the case with my mom, since we all had a flu recently. Did you hear of any correlation with recent flu and viral load? Is that a temporary screw up on the test because of the flu or this is just the progression of HEP C?As of 09/29/03 she had NCV RNA (BDNA) Quant 965,227 IU/ML. As of 02/02/04 she had HCV

Quantasure plus and it showed 84,200,000 IU/ML. This email has been altered as it came with a warning that it is confidential. The numbers are the same and I am using it to demonstrate a very important point. I have been telling people for 5 years that the flu shot will raise the viral load. I never tell anyone not to have one, I just want people to know what is going to happen when they get one. The same holds true for the Hepatitis A & Hepatitis B vaccine. Further, any vaccine that puts a load on the immune system will have a similar result. This person had a 83 million point rise in the viral load from a flu shot. In good healthLloyd Health Supreme!After telling us to get

our flu shots this past season, flu experts are now admitting that they could not - and still can not - predict what strain of the virus will be predominant in any coming season. So composing the vaccine is somewhat like trying to hit the winning lottery ticket. "We were unable to demonstrate vaccine effectiveness against influenza-like illness," said the CDC's Dr. Carolyn Bridges, who studied how well the vaccine worked. What's more, there apparently are no co-ordinated efforts to collect observations about the effectiveness of the vaccines that everyone does get, or about the side effects of the shots. "We really need to have a system in place year to year that tracks the efficacy of the vaccine", says Dr. Bruce Gellin, Director of the HHS National Vaccine Program Office. What kind of 'science' is that? Belief in medical dogma unfortunately will not protect us from widespread adverse effects and the death toll of the pharma-based medical system, but it certainly helps keep the pharma-medical industry afloat. (2/19/2004 11:55:54 AM) Note from LloydAre we so brain washed that we have allowed the medical world to have convinced us to do something that really has little or no impact? In regard to Hepatitis C we did accept a disabling treatment worse than the disease. We are now seeing that it does not work. Sure enough they are working to make money from the masses. If you want to prevent the flu, try some Absorbic <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Oh my gosh, fluy shots raise the virla load? How?> Your hallowed leader here, has been taken down a notch or two by a virus of a different sort. A stomach virus!!> I went and spent Thanksgiving with my youngun's in Broken Arrow. We were only there one night. But I brought home with me a case of the stomach virus. > I was laying

in bed last night thinking to myself, even treatment didn't feel this bad. LOL> I should know since I have been through treatment twice.> Fair warning to all my friends here, run don't walk and get your flu shot. You do NOT want to get this flu. > This is day three and I still feel like roadkill> And toliet paper no matter what kind is soft enough. YOu get it from both ends believe me.> FLU SHOTS PEOPLE, FLU SHOTS!!> Love> Janet> > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile > > > > > Tim Parsons > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > 865-588-2465 x107 work> > > www.knoxville1.com> > > > ---------------------------------> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small

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Nikki hon glad this works for you. Love JanetNikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Hi Jackie, Personally I don’t take a flu shot, haven’t for years and haven’t had a bit of flu. However, I take colloidal silver (make it myself) and it kills single cell pathogens. As well as taking it internally I spray my face, particularly my eyes with it when I come in from a place where I am around people (the grocery, our daughter’s school, etc.) I also spray all produce, makes it last much longer in the fridge. Our daughter has not missed a day of school for illness in years. Another advantage of this method of flu prevention is that CS attacks all virus it comes in contact with.. Nikki The flu shots 10 years ago were made from "live" virus and that is NOT the case these days, the shots are made from KILLED VIRUS unless you use the nasal spray and anyone who is on tx should only use the shot and NOT the spray or at least that is what I have been told.. IF you get the flu, GET TO THE DOC IMMEDIATELY!!!! Do not wait,, IF YOU SUSPECT you have it,, get to the doc NOW!!!! I always get a flu shot and while I had ONE REACTION that was years ago when they used the LIVE virus,, but since I have been having the killed virus shots, I have only had a sore arm,,,,, Anyone who has a chronic illness SHOULD get a flu shot! THATS MY story and Im STICKIN to it! lol jax Take the ordinary things

of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile

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hey nikki, i have read alot on that.what brand do you use.Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Hi Jackie, Personally I don’t take a flu shot, haven’t for years and haven’t had a bit of flu. However, I take colloidal silver (make it myself) and it kills single cell pathogens. As well as taking it internally I spray my face, particularly my eyes with it when I come in from a place where I am around people (the grocery, our daughter’s school, etc.) I also spray all produce, makes it last much longer in the fridge. Our daughter has not missed a day of school for illness in years. Another advantage of this method of flu prevention is that CS attacks all virus it comes in contact with.. Nikki The flu shots 10 years ago were made from "live" virus and that is NOT the case these days, the shots are made from KILLED VIRUS unless you use the nasal spray and anyone who is on tx should only use the shot and NOT the spray or at least that is what I have been told.. IF you get the flu, GET TO THE DOC IMMEDIATELY!!!! Do not wait,, IF YOU SUSPECT you have it,, get to the doc NOW!!!! I always get a flu shot and while I had ONE REACTION that was years ago when they used the LIVE virus,, but since I have been having the killed virus shots, I have only had a sore arm,,,,, Anyone who has a chronic illness SHOULD get a flu shot! THATS MY story and Im STICKIN to it! lol jax Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work

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Hi Tim,

I have a Colloid master 777 and it costs

me 85 cents a gallon to make. I

use it for everything, spraying my shower curtains, inside athletic shoes,

as a nasal lavage with a neti pot, any type of cuts or fungal issues, although

I also use Tea Tree oil for fungus.

Our family never catches any of the ‘bugs’ that go around from

anyone, even hacking sniveling crowds at dr offices on the very rare occasion

anyone is in there. I also make my

own distilled water that I use for the CS as well as anything that I drink. For drinking water I do balance the ph by adding

a level tsp of baking soda per gallon.

Nikki

hey nikki,

i have read alot on that.what

brand do you use.

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Glad that the tummy is better!! Just keep

on perking up until you are bright and perky!

Love ya,

Nikki

I am better today than yesterday, still have the eck stomach but able

to hold down a muffin today, and a little bit of weak tea.

Thanks so much for the sweet thoughts.

Love

Janet

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wrote:

Oh, Janet, I pray for your swift recovery! Sounds

absolutely

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Oh Janet honey,, Im so sorry you are sore and still feeling yukky,, hope you start feeling better real soon!Janet <doc_jade@...> wrote: Jackie my feelings exactly. I just wrote this long old email explaining what you said in a few short words. LOL But This way I can show folks that I am more than a pretty face, I gots some brains too. LOL Love Janet. Ouch it hurts to laugh. I think I over worked my tummy muscles when I was throwing up. LOL Stop,Stop that hurts. Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: The flu shots 10 years ago were made from "live" virus and that is NOT the case these days, the shots are made from KILLED VIRUS unless you use the nasal spray and anyone who is on tx should only use the shot and NOT the spray or at least that is what I have been told.. IF you get the flu, GET TO THE DOC IMMEDIATELY!!!! Do not wait,, IF YOU SUSPECT you have it,, get to the doc NOW!!!! I always get a flu shot and while I had ONE REACTION that was years ago when they used the LIVE virus,, but since I have been having the killed virus shots, I have only had a sore arm,,,,, Anyone who has a chronic illness SHOULD get a flu shot! THATS MY story and Im STICKIN to it! lol jax <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Oh my gosh, fluy shots raise the virla load? How?> Your hallowed leader here, has been taken down a notch or two by

a virus of a different sort. A stomach virus!!> I went and spent Thanksgiving with my youngun's in Broken Arrow. We were only there one night. But I brought home with me a case of the stomach virus. > I was laying in bed last night thinking to myself, even treatment didn't feel this bad. LOL> I should know since I have been through treatment twice.> Fair warning to all my friends here, run don't walk and get your flu shot. You do NOT want to get this flu. > This is day three and I still feel like roadkill> And toliet paper no matter what kind is soft enough. YOu get it from both ends believe me.> FLU SHOTS PEOPLE, FLU SHOTS!!> Love> Janet> > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile > > > > > Tim Parsons > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > 865-588-2465 x107

work> > > www.knoxville1.com> > > > ---------------------------------> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business.>Jackie Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile Jackie

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Nikki Thats cool that it works for you! I tried the CS when I first got diagnosed and then I sort of got scared when I heard that for some ppl, if you take too much it can give your skin a bluish tint,, and I couldnt tell really any difference in how I felt after taking it for a couple of months so I just stopped,,, but I do know others who swear by it,, I'd certainly use it topically without a problem as its very good for germs, virus, bacteria,, etc,, jax Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Hi Jackie, Personally I don’t take a flu shot, haven’t for years and haven’t had a bit of flu. However, I take colloidal silver (make it myself) and it kills single cell pathogens. As well as taking it internally I spray my face, particularly my eyes with it when I come in from a place where I am around people (the grocery, our daughter’s school, etc.) I also spray all produce, makes it last much longer in the

fridge. Our daughter has not missed a day of school for illness in years. Another advantage of this method of flu prevention is that CS attacks all virus it comes in contact with.. Nikki The flu shots 10 years ago were made from "live" virus and that is NOT the case these

days, the shots are made from KILLED VIRUS unless you use the nasal spray and anyone who is on tx should only use the shot and NOT the spray or at least that is what I have been told.. IF you get the flu, GET TO THE DOC IMMEDIATELY!!!! Do not wait,, IF YOU SUSPECT you have it,, get to the doc NOW!!!! I always get a flu shot and while I had ONE REACTION that was years ago when they used the LIVE virus,, but since I have been having the killed virus shots, I have only had a sore arm,,,,, Anyone who has a chronic illness SHOULD get a flu shot! THATS MY story and Im STICKIN to it! lol jax Jackie

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Hi,

Actually you cannot turn blue from CS.

You would die of water poisoning before you could get enough silver in your

system. But some people do not use distilled water to make it and the silver

is combining with other things in the water and not making CS but making a

nitrate or some other variation. Properly made CS, or more properly called,

electrically isolated silver has absolutely no toxicity level of any kind.

But I think it is more the combination of

things that is helping me so much. The DMSO is a super anti-inflammatory and

we know it is the inflammation in the liver that crashes it.

Nikki

Nikki

Thats cool that it works for you! I tried the CS when I first got

diagnosed and then I sort of got scared when I heard that for some ppl, if you

take too much it can give your skin a bluish tint,, and I couldnt tell really

any difference in how I felt after taking it for a couple of months so I just

stopped,,, but I do know others who swear by it,, I'd certainly use it

topically without a problem as its very good for germs, virus, bacteria,, etc,,

jax

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That is interesting information. Thanks for sharing. Love JanetNikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Hi, Actually you cannot turn blue from CS. You would die of water poisoning before you could get enough silver in your system. But some people do not use distilled water to make it and the silver is combining with other things in the water and not making CS but making a nitrate or some other variation. Properly made CS, or more properly called, electrically isolated silver has absolutely no toxicity level of any kind. But I think it is more the combination of things that is helping me so much. The DMSO is a

super anti-inflammatory and we know it is the inflammation in the liver that crashes it. Nikki Nikki Thats cool that it works for you! I tried the CS when I first got

diagnosed and then I sort of got scared when I heard that for some ppl, if you take too much it can give your skin a bluish tint,, and I couldnt tell really any difference in how I felt after taking it for a couple of months so I just stopped,,, but I do know others who swear by it,, I'd certainly use it topically without a problem as its very good for germs, virus, bacteria,, etc,, jax Take the ordinary things

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Thats good to know Nikki,, it must have been some other component of whatever these ppl were either making and taking or just taking that caused the bluishness to their skin... Im glad its working for you!Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Hi, Actually you cannot turn blue from CS. You would die of water poisoning before you could get enough silver in your system. But some people do not use distilled water to make it and the silver is combining with other things in the water and not making CS but making a nitrate or some other variation. Properly made CS, or more properly called, electrically isolated silver has absolutely no toxicity level of any kind. But I think it is more the combination of things that is helping me

so much. The DMSO is a super anti-inflammatory and we know it is the inflammation in the liver that crashes it. Nikki Nikki Thats cool that it works for you! I

tried the CS when I first got diagnosed and then I sort of got scared when I heard that for some ppl, if you take too much it can give your skin a bluish tint,, and I couldnt tell really any difference in how I felt after taking it for a couple of months so I just stopped,,, but I do know others who swear by it,, I'd certainly use it topically without a problem as its very good for germs, virus, bacteria,, etc,, jax Jackie