Re: Psychic self-defence

March 21, 2006

" It reminds me more of kids playing with dangerous objects and others

edging them on. "

To use the above analogy, sometimes the kids think they know what

they are doing and fail to see any danger in it to themselves or

others.

>

> > This scares me, Lwaxy, because my stepmother uses magic to fight

her

> > enemies, including my father's children (me included), and has a

> > spell cast over him to keep him under her control.

>

> I seriously doubt SHE has him under control. From what I gathered

from

> your other post, it's much more likely she's using outside power. I

> don't know the situation, of course, but it seriously looks like

that

> woman has no school or tradion, nor an idea what she is really

doing.

> It reminds me more of kids playing with dangerous objects and others

> edging them on.

>

> Ever tried to get help in this matter?

>

> How does one,

> > anyone, define an 'enemy'?

>

> I suppose everyone has a different definition of it. I, for one,

never

> had a definition for it until someone in 5th class was trying to

bully

> me and I didn't get why in the world wasn't this brat leaving me

> alone. He did after I'd beaten him up. So in my definition an enemy

is

> someone who tries to destroy things for you or yourself, without you

> having given them a reason, doesn't allow you to reach your or your

> friend's goals out of spite or meanness, constantly talks bad about

> you and all such stuff.

>

> I tried to get along with her and he is my

> > father so I have some right to him (as little as he himself

> concedes.) My stepmother is evil, so she may be an exception in your

> definition,

> > but still--we are her enemies because we come between her and her

> > having my father all to herself.

>

> Sounds like that woman has a mental issue with possessiveness (ow,

> lots of s) among other things.

>

> If a human is allowed magic,

> > couldn't it easily be misused? Your statement makes me very

> > frightened of you and I will be sure not to cross you.

>

> Anything can be essentially misused. In the 80s, we had the

> Hammer-Killer in my area. Does that mean no one should use hammers?

> You can even kill someone with a fork, now shall we all eat with our

> fingers again? We now have this discussion about disgusting fanfic,

> does this mean no one should write any stories anymore? And for the

> record, I generally abhor fanfic with kinky sexual stories about ST

> and SW and LotR characters. It taints what the original stands for.

>

> No one needs to be frightened of me unless they become a thread to

me

> or want to harm someone else without reason. I can't stand any type

of

> injustice or bullying behaviour.

>

> Lwaxy

>

March 21, 2006

" Small wonder people used to burn witches. "

I do think that comment was a bit off - but I'm not sure it should

have been taken as a threat.

I think it's an off comment because often those who were killed as

being witches were often not - to me it appeared more to do with

power and corruption.

>

> > Now this is interesting. Using magic or threat of it against

another

> isn't

> > bullying?

>

> Uh... HOOW can it EVER be bullying to defend yourself? That's

> illogical times 10.

>

> > For that matter, this could be taken as a threat against anyone on

> this

> > board who might make you angry. After all, you could use your

magic

> against them

> > from any distance whereas the rest of us have to get toe to toe to

> do that.

> > Instead, with magic you can attack without the poor sap even

knowing

> what's

> > happening or why.

>

> Or you could send me some virus or whatever... what's this supposed

to

> mean now?

>

> >

> > I still dont the logic of doing harm to someone without them

knowing

> the

> > reason why. It doesn't make sense at all because the person won't

> possibly learn

> > anything if they don't know why they are being attacked.

>

> I really don't care if they learn something as long as they aren't

> troubling me anymore.

>

> A mugger who gets

> > shot by his victim knows why it happened, but a person who may

have

> slighted

> > you suddenly finds his health going downhill for something of so

> little

> > consquence he probably doesn't even remember it?

>

> Uh, if something has had little consequence, why would anyone bother

> to waste energy on it? This makes no sense.

>

> > Small wonder people used to burn witches.

>

> Am I supposed to take this as a death threat? I think I do.

>

> Lwaxy

>

March 21, 2006

> This is a case of not knowing if it has or not. Its not like I have

had a

> world shaking change like suddenly being able to heal the sick or

something like

> that.

True, but shouldn't you feel how good your relationship with your god

is? I'm usually very sure about which god or goddess I have a good

connection to and to which I don't.

My mother thinks she does not have a good relationship with her god

because she doesn't understand the scripture well. From what I heard,

I don't think my aunts understand the scripture all that well, but

they say they do have a good relationship and because of this don't

need to worry about a thing.

Lwaxy

March 21, 2006

> You'll have to excuse me but I am a lowly NT. I have no IDEA what a

> 'cosmic string' is...I'm telling you as a Christian that prayer is NOT

> magic. God is not santa claus, you don't pray to him 'to get what you

> want' or to get rid of annoyances in your life.

And I'm telling you it is magic. ) We can repeat this argument back

and forth, none of us will say anything different. As a Christian, you

must of course go with the " all magic is evil " stuff and thus couldn't

accept prayer to be magic. That I understand, but I can't call it any

different.

I probably shouldn't have gotten into the whole string stuff, as this

is going to open up the proverbial can of worms, and unfortunately

with my current lack of smtp mail and time it would likely stress me

out too much to reply via web mail at this time. However, yes, I was

partly refering to the scientific theory on cosmic strings, just that

I've seen and used strings way before the theory came up and from my

experience I can't completely agree with the theory either.

I'd not mind discussing this further, but I'd really need to explain

my experiences with how " the Force " works and how I work the Tarot etc

more detailed than I am able to do right now.

Lwaxy

March 21, 2006

> I know that some pagans have prayed for me.

Yes, but when they did, I doubt they actively tried to change your

destiny )

> When you do rituals and magic you are also using a force that is

> outside yourself, some of that force may be possibly within too?

ALL the power is ultimately within myself, because I am not a seperate

being from the world, but part of it, a whole large organism made up

of everything in existence. Our seperate selfs are but an illusion we

will eventually need to break through. Since there is no real

difference between me and whatever god or force I am connecting with,

I'm in the end using my own energy.

> The Christian God also likes us to work things out for ourselves too

> and there are still consequences. However God is a loving parent with

> a lot of patience, as a loving parent he isn't going to give his

> children things that would harm them - or things that the children

> necessarily want, but neither is he going to turn them away if they

> have troubles.

Is there any part in the bible where god gets impatient with people

praying for unneeded or even bad things? I can't remember right now.

> I happen to agree with you here - I have witnessed this talking in

> toungues and felt the same as you - there was definitely something

> up. I think some Christians are not aware that this talking in

> tounges can be bad news - they are not testing the spirits and I got

> a decidedly bad vibe from this talking in tounges business. There

> would be no way I would have gotten in to a discussion with such a

> entity though.

I don't understand what good this tongue talking is supposed to do,

even assuming the spirits are positive forces. No one understands what

they are saying and it seems to be only for show.

> Are you 100% certain of what this 'Buddha Nature' is?

Of course ) It's the potential for all of us to become enlightened

and free from desire.

Lwaxy

March 21, 2006

Excellent point, .

Raven

>

> " It reminds me more of kids playing with dangerous objects and others

> edging them on. "

>

> To use the above analogy, sometimes the kids think they know what

> they are doing and fail to see any danger in it to themselves or

> others.

>

March 21, 2006

--- Well, I'm glad you got a kick out of it! Toni

In , " Inger Lorelei " <inglori@...>

wrote:

>

> ROTFL!!! (Sorry, but the way you wrote that was just hilarious to

me!)

>

> Inger

>

> Re: Re: Psychic self-defence

>

> You'll have to excuse me but I am a lowly NT. I have no IDEA what

a

> 'cosmic string' is...I'm telling you as a Christian that prayer is

NOT

> magic. God is not santa claus, you don't pray to him 'to get what

you

> want' or to get rid of annoyances in your life.

>

March 21, 2006

I'm happy to drop the matter myself. It turns my stomach.

lwaxy2001 wrote:

>

> > You'll have to excuse me but I am a lowly NT. I have no IDEA what a

> > 'cosmic string' is...I'm telling you as a Christian that prayer is NOT

> > magic. God is not santa claus, you don't pray to him 'to get what you

> > want' or to get rid of annoyances in your life.

>

> And I'm telling you it is magic. ) We can repeat this argument back

> and forth, none of us will say anything different. As a Christian, you

> must of course go with the " all magic is evil " stuff and thus couldn't

> accept prayer to be magic. That I understand, but I can't call it any

> different.

>

> I probably shouldn't have gotten into the whole string stuff, as this

> is going to open up the proverbial can of worms, and unfortunately

> with my current lack of smtp mail and time it would likely stress me

> out too much to reply via web mail at this time. However, yes, I was

> partly refering to the scientific theory on cosmic strings, just that

> I've seen and used strings way before the theory came up and from my

> experience I can't completely agree with the theory either.

>

> I'd not mind discussing this further, but I'd really need to explain

> my experiences with how " the Force " works and how I work the Tarot etc

> more detailed than I am able to do right now.

>

> Lwaxy

>

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>

March 21, 2006

There are places where it is explained that God knows what you need,

but that you should pray anyway. The idea is to develop your

relationship with God. Christians are not to wish pray for bad things

to happen, or for bad things to happen to other people.

Tom

Administrator

" Is there any part in the bible where god gets impatient with people

praying for unneeded or even bad things? I can't remember right now. "

March 21, 2006

" God is not santa claus,... "

He certainly isn't - just re-arange the letters of santa btw :-)

>

> You'll have to excuse me but I am a lowly NT. I have no IDEA what a

> 'cosmic string' is...I'm telling you as a Christian that prayer is

NOT

> magic. God is not santa claus, you don't pray to him 'to get what you

> want' or to get rid of annoyances in your life.

>

March 21, 2006

Yes, I thought of that after I saw my post. Great minds think alike.

greebohere wrote:

> " God is not santa claus,... "

>

> He certainly isn't - just re-arange the letters of santa btw :-)

>

> >

> > You'll have to excuse me but I am a lowly NT. I have no IDEA what a

> > 'cosmic string' is...I'm telling you as a Christian that prayer is

> NOT

> > magic. God is not santa claus, you don't pray to him 'to get what you

> > want' or to get rid of annoyances in your life.

> >

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

> support and acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

>

March 21, 2006

" Yes, but when they did, I doubt they actively tried to change your

destiny ) "

I'm not so sure about that - I know many that would prefer it if I

were not a Christian - friends included. Some seem to feel threatened

by Christianity.

" Since there is no real difference between me and whatever god or

force I am connecting with, I'm in the end using my own energy. "

So why bother connecting with any force or god outside yourself if it

is your own energy?

" Is there any part in the bible where god gets impatient with people

praying for unneeded or even bad things? I can't remember right now. "

I see this has already been covered in another post.

>

> > I know that some pagans have prayed for me.

>

> Yes, but when they did, I doubt they actively tried to change your

> destiny )

>

> > When you do rituals and magic you are also using a force that is

> > outside yourself, some of that force may be possibly within too?

>

> ALL the power is ultimately within myself, because I am not a

seperate

> being from the world, but part of it, a whole large organism made up

> of everything in existence. Our seperate selfs are but an illusion

we

> will eventually need to break through. Since there is no real

> difference between me and whatever god or force I am connecting

with,

> I'm in the end using my own energy.

>

> > The Christian God also likes us to work things out for ourselves

too

> > and there are still consequences. However God is a loving parent

with

> > a lot of patience, as a loving parent he isn't going to give his

> > children things that would harm them - or things that the

children

> > necessarily want, but neither is he going to turn them away if

they

> > have troubles.

>

> Is there any part in the bible where god gets impatient with people

> praying for unneeded or even bad things? I can't remember right

now.

>

> > I happen to agree with you here - I have witnessed this talking

in

> > toungues and felt the same as you - there was definitely

something

> > up. I think some Christians are not aware that this talking in

> > tounges can be bad news - they are not testing the spirits and I

got

> > a decidedly bad vibe from this talking in tounges business. There

> > would be no way I would have gotten in to a discussion with such

a

> > entity though.

>

> I don't understand what good this tongue talking is supposed to do,

> even assuming the spirits are positive forces. No one understands

what

> they are saying and it seems to be only for show.

>

> > Are you 100% certain of what this 'Buddha Nature' is?

>

> Of course ) It's the potential for all of us to become enlightened

> and free from desire.

>

> Lwaxy

>

March 21, 2006

Yes. Anyone who didn't get along with a neighbour could accuse anyone of

witchcraft, and the accused would find it very hard to prove their

innocence.

Last witch-trials here in Sweden revealed that those who accused were simply

making it up and getting children to witness (pretty much as have been done

in a couple of cases in modern times too). After that, the witch-thing was

dropped here.

Most 'witches' were beheaded, btw, not burned.

Inger

Re: Psychic self-defence

" Small wonder people used to burn witches. "

I do think that comment was a bit off - but I'm not sure it should

have been taken as a threat.

I think it's an off comment because often those who were killed as

being witches were often not - to me it appeared more to do with

power and corruption.

>

> > Now this is interesting. Using magic or threat of it against

another

> isn't

> > bullying?

>

> Uh... HOOW can it EVER be bullying to defend yourself? That's

> illogical times 10.

>

> > For that matter, this could be taken as a threat against anyone on

> this

> > board who might make you angry. After all, you could use your

magic

> against them

> > from any distance whereas the rest of us have to get toe to toe to

> do that.

> > Instead, with magic you can attack without the poor sap even

knowing

> what's

> > happening or why.

>

> Or you could send me some virus or whatever... what's this supposed

to

> mean now?

>

> >

> > I still dont the logic of doing harm to someone without them

knowing

> the

> > reason why. It doesn't make sense at all because the person won't

> possibly learn

> > anything if they don't know why they are being attacked.

>

> I really don't care if they learn something as long as they aren't

> troubling me anymore.

>

> A mugger who gets

> > shot by his victim knows why it happened, but a person who may

have

> slighted

> > you suddenly finds his health going downhill for something of so

> little

> > consquence he probably doesn't even remember it?

>

> Uh, if something has had little consequence, why would anyone bother

> to waste energy on it? This makes no sense.

>

> > Small wonder people used to burn witches.

>

> Am I supposed to take this as a death threat? I think I do.

>

> Lwaxy

>

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acceptance. Everyone is valued.

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March 21, 2006

Re:

> Most 'witches' were beheaded, btw, not burned.

Witch-trials accounts from continental Europe (the ones I've seen, at

least) very often report burning - in England and its colonies, the

law instead prescribed hanging.

Sometimes in England and the colonies, the accused died by drowning -

as a result of an English witch-trial procedure that tested accused

" witches " to see if they would drown.

People who didn't drown failed this test (because the water of

baptism had rejected them) and got hanged - anyone drowning

demonstrated innocence, but of course she would not trouble the courts

any further. The relatives of an accused " witch " of course would want

her to sink (because then they, instead of the government, would get

to dispose of her property - and because the relatives of a " proven

witch " came under suspicion of witchcraft themselves: the relatives of

an innocent victim did not). This gave the witch-triers a " reason " to

remove the clothing from the tested woman, because she or others might

have hidden stones therein so that she would sink and drown in a show

of " innocence. "

I didn't know that about Sweden mostly beheading witches - thanks, Inger!

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March 21, 2006

Some seem to feel threatened

> by Christianity.

Of course, many of us do. I certainly do.

> So why bother connecting with any force or god outside yourself if it

> is your own energy?

You have to work with single parts of the whole before taking on the

big picture, and asides, it is the only way for most people who seem

to need an outside reference to rely on.

Lwaxy

March 21, 2006

Who are the 'many of us' you refer to?

Also exactly what do you feel threatened by?

>

> Some seem to feel threatened

> > by Christianity.

>

> Of course, many of us do. I certainly do.

>

> > So why bother connecting with any force or god outside yourself

if it

> > is your own energy?

>

> You have to work with single parts of the whole before taking on the

> big picture, and asides, it is the only way for most people who seem

> to need an outside reference to rely on.

>

> Lwaxy

>

March 21, 2006

Thanks for the correction, Kate. (Like you I like getting the facts right.)

I have probably confused beheading with hanging. (I just remembered from

somewhere that burning was not as common as popularly believed, even if it

DID occur.)

I didn't say it was the preferred method of execution in Sweden either,

because I am not sure at this moment which method it was. (I read about it

long ago but failed to store it in memory.) Could well have been hanging or

drowning here too. The water test I remember. Talk about a no-win situation!

:-o

Inger

Re: Re: Psychic self-defence