Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Dear Tom, I was hoping you wouldn'y drag out this rubbish from BW. Nothing he says has any credibility. He is a proven fraud. Dr. Gerard Sunnen: " The oxygen atom exists in nature in several forms: (1) As a free atomic particle (01), it is highly reactive and unstable. (2) Oxygen (02), its most common and stable form, is colorless as a gas and pale blue as a liquid. (3) Ozone (03), has a molecular weight of 48, a density one and a half times that of oxygen, and contains a large excess of energy in its molecule (03 -> 3/2 02 + 143KJ/mole). It has a bond angle of 127 ± 3, resonates among several forms, is distinctly blue as a gas, and dark blue as a solid. (4) 04 is a very unstable, rare, nonmagnetic pale blue gas, which readily breaks down into two molecules of oxygen. " http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/utilization.htm End of story. Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Tom Harrelson " <tharrels1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: Does ozone get rid of fluoride in water? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:42:41 -0000 > > The Polyatomic Molecules of Oxygen (O4 to O8), and NOT Ozone (O3), > > which are generated in a " Cold Plasma " Electrical Field have MANY MORE > > Electrons AVAILABLE than Ozone and so their Oxidant Potential Voltage > > should DEFINITELY be HIGHER than Ozone and may even be HIGHER than > > Fluorine. > > I think Saul rubbished that statement a few times on the list already > in the last few years. It's my understanding that it's onlt the " odd " > numbered oxygen atom that is reactive. In other words, O8 is a stable > molecule, and O3 is more reactive. > > > > Duncan Crow > duncancrow/ > > --- live and help live... --- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Duncan, Hi! Do you mean oxidative, instead of reactive? I just found a short Article in my Files by Basil Wainwright, PhD, which I find INTERESTING. " THANKS " for your reply post! Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O4 Vs. O3 ACTIONS - Basil Wainwright, Ph.D. O4 in particular has some very UNIQUE responses. It has a PHENOMENAL amount of Electrons, and as a matter of interest in O4, it has 40 Electrons, and that makes it a very POWERFUL Negative Ionising Platform. Contrary to belief, the O4 Molecule will, during it's Half-Life, demonstrate GREATER stability than the O3 molecule, the latter being MORE AGRESSIVE in an Oxidative role, breaking down in a Step-By-Step Procedure, whereas, the O4 Molecule, following Atomic and Molecular Collisions Electrical Exchange, breaks down into Singlet Oxygen (O1) Atoms INSTANTANEOUSLY, RELEASING ALL of it's 40 Electrons in the Process. It's very evident then, that O3 has a BETTER oxidative effect, and that is very EFFECTIVE in ELIMINATING Infected Cells, but O4 has the ability because of its Ionisation to actually BREAK-DOWN the RNA, and of course Uracil, which is a very IMPORTANT Sugar Combination--the 5- Carbon in the RNA of a Virus! _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca & page=byoa/prem & xAPID=1994 & DI=1034 & SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca & HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Dear Tom, I would say that my good friend Ed takes a a simplistic attitude towards ozone. The title of his book is " Flood Your Body With Oxygen " , which is a quote from Dr. Otto Warburg. But we know from the clinical trials that oxygen is virtually useless as therapy. Unless you electrify it (ozone) or pressurize it (hyperbaric), oxygen therapy per se is of almost no value. Only a person with very poor lung function gets any benefit from breathing 100% oxygen alone. And even they do not get better, they are lucky to hold their own. Thousands of clinical trials over the last 60 years have proven over and over again that oxygen alone does not have the power to cure disease. The control group is given oxygen while the tested group gets ozone. Invariably the reported results are 85 - 99% benefit for the ozone group; and no change for the oxygen group. It is the ENERGY that is provided (either from electricity in ozone; or pressurization in hyperbaric) that makes the difference. And the electricity approach (ozone) is the more powerful of the two. Ed is aware of this information. He chooses to simplify his approach for the mass audience and emphasize a word (oxygen) that has no bad connotation; as opposed to a word (ozone) that the enemies of health have attempted to demonize. I prefer to hit things head-on and counter the propaganda with facts. However, from another perspective, I have been criticized for simplifying the biochemical issue and saying that 'ozone enters the body and oxidizes...' when actually there is an almost instant reaction as ozone enters, and it is the resultant 'reactive oxygen species' that carry on with a cascade oxidative effect. Mea culpa. I think that it is important to realize that there has been a great deal of biochemistry done on the effects of ozone in lipid peroxidation, but a lot less done on other types of reactions (with proteins, for example) in the body. Dr. Sunnen's article that I quoted earlier makes this point. As far as BW is concerned, I have no understanding of why Ed would write one positive thing about a charlatan who has done so much disservice to the cause of ozone therapy. If you had been there when I opened BW's $250,000 ozone generator from his PA invention, you would still be howling .......$50 in parts...... Best of health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Tom Harrelson " <tharrels1@...> Reply-oxyplus oxyplus Subject: Re: O4 rubbish Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:04:36 -0000 > Dear Tom, > > I was hoping you wouldn'y drag out this rubbish from BW. > Nothing he says has any credibility. He is a proven fraud. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Saul, Ed McCabe has written plenty of information about Basil and his Polyatomic Oxygen Research in his latest book entitled, " Flood Your Body With Oxygen " and so that means that he and Basil Wainwright had collaborated together. I'm curious, what would you say about Ed McCabe? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dr. Gerard Sunnen: > " The oxygen atom exists in nature in several forms: > (1) As a free atomic particle (01), it is highly reactive and unstable. > (2) Oxygen (02), its most common and stable form, is colorless as a gas and > pale blue as a liquid. > (3) Ozone (03), has a molecular weight of 48, a density one and a half times > that of oxygen, and contains a large excess of energy in its molecule (03 -> > 3/2 02 + 143KJ/mole). It has a bond angle of 127 ± 3, resonates among > several forms, is distinctly blue as a gas, and dark blue as a solid. > (4) 04 is a very unstable, rare, nonmagnetic pale blue gas, which readily > breaks down into two molecules of oxygen. " > > http://www.triroc.com/sunnen/topics/utilization.htm > > End of story. > > Best of health! > Dr. Saul Pressman <SNIP> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ " THANKS " for your reply post! Tom/Psa. 33:12. _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca & page=byoa/prem & xAPID=1994 & DI=1034 & SU=http://\ hotmail.com/enca & HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 RE: Re: O4 rubbish < But we know from the clinical trials that oxygen is virtually useless as therapy. Unless you electrify it (ozone) or pressurize it (hyperbaric), oxygen therapy per se is of almost no value. Only a person with very poor lung function gets any benefit from breathing 100% oxygen alone. And even they do not get better, they are lucky to hold their own. Thousands of clinical trials over the last 60 years have proven over and over again that oxygen alone does not have the power to cure disease. The control group is given oxygen while the tested group gets ozone. Invariably the reported results are 85 - 99% benefit for the ozone group; and no change for the oxygen group. It is the ENERGY that is provided (either from electricity in ozone; or pressurization in hyperbaric) that makes the difference. And the electricity approach (ozone) is the more powerful of the two. > Saul, Where, then, does hydrogen peroxide fit into all this? I'm assuming that since the H2O2 breaks down into H2O (water) and O1, that's similar to an ozone reaction. Could you please elaborate on this? Thanks. Nenah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 RE: Re: O4 rubbish < But we know from the clinical trials that oxygen is virtually useless as therapy. Unless you electrify it (ozone) or pressurize it (hyperbaric), oxygen therapy per se is of almost no value. Only a person with very poor lung function gets any benefit from breathing 100% oxygen alone. And even they do not get better, they are lucky to hold their own. Thousands of clinical trials over the last 60 years have proven over and over again that oxygen alone does not have the power to cure disease. The control group is given oxygen while the tested group gets ozone. Invariably the reported results are 85 - 99% benefit for the ozone group; and no change for the oxygen group. It is the ENERGY that is provided (either from electricity in ozone; or pressurization in hyperbaric) that makes the difference. And the electricity approach (ozone) is the more powerful of the two. > Saul, Where, then, does hydrogen peroxide fit into all this? I'm assuming that since the H2O2 breaks down into H2O (water) and O1, that's similar to an ozone reaction. Could you please elaborate on this? Thanks. Nenah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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