Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 On the subject of colostrum being a worthless product. Well that is just not true. It may be that you tried it and did not feel it did anything for you, but multitudes of others have found it to be EXTREMELY worthwhile. I get very expressive, enthusiastic thanks you's from people on a regular basis regarding colostrum, because it is life changing for so many people. I'm sorry if that was not your experience. The science and clinical tests are there to back up the benefits that I and others have experienced from colostrum. Sincerely Donna > You are a sweet gal Donna. > > However, show us the clinical tests from an independent source that > does not sell colostrum or is affiliated with colostrum. > > Dick Dick, I am wondering if you are aware of how much hostility you give off in your posts as you voice your suspicions. Perhaps you have been misled or cheated in the past. But at least in my experience, people on this list are sincerely interested in helping each other. We don't always agree with each other, but we accept that people are different and have different needs and responses. Donna is one of the most helpful and yes, you got that right, sweet people I have met. Why don't YOU do a search on the internet for " colostrum " ? You can also do a search for " transfer factor. " In the meantime, here is some data: For the first 24 hours after giving birth, a mother mammal secretes colostrum, a thin watery fluid that's " pre-milk. " The " transfer factors " in colostrum provide natural immunity for the rest of the infant's life. When humans do not nurse, they are subject to many more colds, viral and bacterial infections of all kinds, autoimmune disorders, and even degenerative conditions. This is known by midwives and nursing organizations all over the world. It's not promoted by infant formula companies or the soy foundation. There are almost 2,000 articles on transfer factor referenced on Medline. You can find articles on transfer factors (not colostrum) at http://www.livingnow.net/nenahsylver/ Some people like colostrum, others prefer transfer factor. Both products work. They are part of our legacy as nursing mammals. Sincerely, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD *Information, products, and services related to healing* ======================================== THE HOLISTIC HANDBOOK OF SAUNA THERAPY is now available. Order this and also THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING, at http://www.nenahsylver.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 I tried Symbiotics (?) and Immune Tree. They have a lot of milk sugar so that might have caused Dick's " belly problem " if he has dysbiosis. Colostrum is as Nenah defined it but legally you are allowed, I think, the first 3-7 days or something like that (I learned this from Organic Pastures that sells it raw and fresh), so it is at that piont transitional milk, with some pure colostrum and some milk. ANd I'm sure that's what they sell in powdered form. So for those with candida or dsybiosis perhaps it can have a somewhat adverse affect. Some people I know feel it was very helpful. I've tried it raw too...but I find raw goat's milk just as good as the colostrum and much cheaper. There are immunoglobulins and enzymes in raw milk that are very healthy. I never tried transfer factor beause it's so expensive, and there doesn't seem to be a simple one out there--they all are " targetted " to various infections. And the lyme ones are made from rabbits by a small lab and I don't trust that--there could be contamination. I agree that Dick is sounding very hostile. Sometimes people use internet groups to randomly distribute their hostility when they are sick or in bad moods. It happens on lyme boards a lot, but not too often on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Thanx Nenah for correcting my error--I remember now we discussed this. I probably would use a little bit like you do. I haven't gotten around to trying it. I am done with my HUGE deadline and my taxes! I can start my ozone again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Hi Donna, don't mean to be ornery here, but I'd have to do some research before I accepted that " fact " (first six hours). First of all, the baby (calf in this case) HAS to be given the colostrum preferentially for a few hours. And I don't see how Immune Tree could produce enough colostrum if they only used the first 6 hours. It might be true, but then again it might not. Where is this fact stated? I would be willing to do a little research in my journalist mode to see what the reality is. As I said, both my goats milk famer (whose colostrum is $50 for a small amount, and is supposedly recommended by docs) and Organic Pastures, offer raw fresh colostrum, but they definitely milk beyond the first 6 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Good info, Donna. I used them a long time ago but it was too sugary for me (there is a lot of sugar in colostrum too). I didn't notice all that much but maybe that wasn't where I was lacking...I do notice something from the fresh raw goat's milk which I am resisting ordering again--as I drink it and the kefir all up in about 3 days, way too much. The fresh raw goat's milk TASTED alive. Sort of like the difference between fresh ripe tomatoes taken from your own garden, and tomatoes in the store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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