Re: Baby Formula - Breastfeeding!!

April 17, 2004

This angers me! Saul is so correct. There are so many other benefits to be

gained from breastfeeding besides the more obvious nutritional ones which

simply cannot be duplicated. Read ph Chilton Pearce's books

" Evolution's End " . " Crack in the Cosmic Egg " , " Magical Child " , " The Secret

Spiritual World of Children by Tobin, Hart and Pearce, " The Heartmath

Solution " by Doc Lew Childre and on and on. Unless a woman is prepared to

fulfill her total responsibility to a child, they should maybe reconsider

having children. I would say much the same to a woman about breastfeeding

as I would to one who decides to put her child up for adoption if she chose

to become pregnant. I would almost go so far as to say that many of the

world's problems world be lessened if women breastfed their children.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

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Re: Re: Complete Liquid Drink

> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:59:32 -0700

> Hi Obie. I don't think what you want exists. All the commercial stuff

> is made my medical focused people

> and is full of sugar or worse things and is just lifeless and

> annoying. I do not know of any commercial product

> that is healthy and natural. And even if it started out as such, by the

> time it was heated to " can " it, it would be

> very dead. Your only option is to use the types of things that Art has

> recommneded below. Blend it fine and

> go for it. That is what I would do and is my unliscensed opinon.

> You would get all the vitamins and minerals she needed from doing this,

> in a natural healthy enzyme rich,

> full of vital life giving electrical energy way. You will get nothing

> but usp vitamines and crude minerals and

> crude proteins and lifeless deadness from a canned formula. Sorry.

> Not a doctor

> Donna

> aluckower wrote:

> >obie

> >

> >what is her condition? is she able to swallow?

> >

> >last time i posted about aajonus' book 'we want to live' where he nursed

> >his son out of a coma

> >

> >the first thing he gave him was a mixture of raw honey and butter. just

a

> >teaspoon at a time

> >

> >i would read that part of the book

> >

> >if she is able to handle more than this here is a list of superfoods

> >

> >bee pollen royal jelly raw eggs raw milk raw honey flax oil parsely

juice

> >organic raw calves liver raw organic animal glands coconut water

> >

> >you can blend up the liver with milk until it is a liquid.

> >

> >it's hard to recommend something without knowing more about the

situation.

> >liver would have the most potent vitamins especially b's.

> >

> >any of the above foods can be blended into liquid

> >

>

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April 17, 2004

Re: Baby Formula - Breastfeeding!!

> This angers me! Saul is so correct. There are so many other benefits to be

> gained from breastfeeding besides the more obvious nutritional ones which

> simply cannot be duplicated. Read ph Chilton Pearce's books

> " Evolution's End " . " Crack in the Cosmic Egg " , " Magical Child " , " The Secret

> Spiritual World of Children by Tobin, Hart and Pearce, " The Heartmath

> Solution " by Doc Lew Childre and on and on. Unless a woman is prepared to

> fulfill her total responsibility to a child, they should maybe reconsider

> having children. I would say much the same to a woman about breastfeeding

> as I would to one who decides to put her child up for adoption if she chose

> to become pregnant. I would almost go so far as to say that many of the

> world's problems world be lessened if women breastfed their children.

> Best wishes and much love, Ken

>

> Ken Gullan

Ken,

Gail made an excellent point in a recent post -- unfortunately that post is

deleted from my files -- that there are many factors involved as to why a woman

cannot breast feed, such as milk drying up, schedule, etc. Your anger comes

through loud and clear...along with a judgmental attitude. I'm not faulting you

for your attitude -- that's certainly your choice -- but I thought I'd expand on

what Gail wrote and give you another perspective.

Not too many years ago, given what I know about health, I thought I had all the

answers! Not only for myself, but also regarding what others should do. " Should "

is the operative word here, as in your statement " unless a woman is prepared to

fulfill her total responsibility to a child, [she] SHOULD maybe reconsider

having children. " Strong words, fighting words. Yet it's clear to me that what

is right for me on my path may not be right for someone else on his or her path.

To illustrate: I remember a client I once counseled, an intelligent career woman

who was on Zoloft and Paxcil for depression. It had already been established

that she had an underactive thyroid -- which is ALWAYS heavily implicated in any

case of depression; it's one of the first things that knowledgeable doctors

check. Yet, instead of approaching her thyroid disorder holistically, she was

taking Synthroid, which eventually atrophies the thyroid gland. She was also

seeing a psychiatrist monthly, and (in my view) needlessly playing around with

all kinds of meditations that made her moods swing up and down like a yo-yo.

Clearly, it was a difficult situation for her.

It was also hard for me, because I just KNEW that if she only took my advice,

she'd feel so much better! I was more laid back in my approach than the tone of

your post, but she got the message.

One day she really let me have it. " Did it ever occur to you, " she yelled at me,

" that I NEED to take these meds? " She then proceded to explain her deep

conviction that she needed to trust -- and that part of her journey was to trust

in not only the prescribing doctor, but also the medications. In a previous

lifetime, she continued, she mistrusted medications that in that particular

circumstance would have saved her life. This time, she wanted to get it right.

Believe me, when she finished I completely agreed with her reasoning and felt

properly cowed. (She already trusted me, evidenced by the fact that she felt

free to yell at me.)

Even if you don't believe in past lives, the point is, no one can say what

another's path is. SHE felt strongly about needing to take medication. Who was I

to try to change her? She taught me a very valuable lesson that day (although I

don't always remember it

Now I'll recount another anecdote, which could be kind of taken to be from the

baby's perspective. Ten or fifteen years ago I was talking to a radio newswoman

who had decided, in her 40s, to have a child. She didn't take this lightly. She

ate more healthfully, exercised regularly, went to Lamaze classes, hired a

midwife. Then the blow fell. During the latter part of her pregnancy, she

learned that she needed to lie in bed for two months if she wanted to keep the

baby. She did everything she was told. And then -- another blow: she needed to

have a Cesarian. AND she'd have to receive general anesthetic while the baby was

still inside her. This woman was VERY involved in holistic living, and didn't

want to do anything allopathic. In the end, because she wanted her baby so much

and didn't want to lose him, she did all sorts of things she wouldn't have done

otherwise.

As it turned out, for a number of valid reasons that I don't remember now, she

couldn't get to breast feed her son for at least 24 hours after the birth. She

was absolutely devastated -- she felt that she'd been a bad mother, a failure,

etc. Most of all, she was worried about the effect that a non-vaginal birth,

plus anesthesia, plus delayed breast feeding, would have on the child.

As it turns out, her fears were allayed. " He's so alert, and lively, and HAPPY, "

she exclaimed. And he never cries...he's so laid back, I can't believe it. I

really get that he's saying 'Mom, don't worry. Just relax.' So I guess I needed

to learn this. "

Now, ordinarily holistically-inclined folk would say, Make sure you do a vaginal

birth, don't take general anesthesia because it'll negatively affect the baby,

touch the baby right after it's born so you can bond, and breast feed to confer

immunity to the child. " Every one of these truisms was broken. What this woman

learned to do was relax. She also learned that humans can be more resiliant than

we think. Perhaps the child came through in part to teach her this lesson.

It's really easy for us, on the outside, to judge and blame and say what someone

else SHOULD do -- and why they're bad if they don't do what we say they should.

But I have come to learn that there are many things that go on behind the

scenes, things we can't know and don't know, because we aren't the other

person...and we're not the Creator. It's so easy to get angry at someone else's

choices. It's much more difficult to remain in a place of love within ourselves,

no matter what happens around us. People on this list are vehement about

protecting their choice of health care. I think it's important to respect the

choices that others make, even if we don't agree with them. We don't know what

the terms of the contract were that this being had when it came in as an infant.

Only the infant and Source know that.

As a counselor, I can tell someone what their options are, and give them the

probable results of those choices. But then I must let it go. I cannot be

invested in what others do or don't do: people must be respected for whatever

choices they make. It's their life. In the end, I have to trust that karmic

justice will prevail.

With love,

Nenah

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April 17, 2004

Hello sweet Nenah! You have really put me in my place except for the fact that

I said " should MAYBE " not " SHOULD " . How is that for weaseling out of what I

wrote? :-)

Of course I agree with virtually everything you say in general but my anger was

and is fueled by the fact that there was nothing to indicate that any special

circumstances influenced this mother's decision. Added to this is the fact that

I am now back in my house with my recently paralyzed " soon to be ex- " (yes, work

that out) and sometimes angered by her choices in ignoring her cancer to the

point where her T3-T2 vertebra were eaten by metastasized bone cancer. This

despite my pleas over the past 3 years that she was being irresponsible

considering that she has a 16 (now) year old daughter. I run the gammit of

feelings about this from anger to sympathy and am really having a tough time

nursing her 24/7 and witnessing her pain and my daughter's confusion and fear

including her questions like " Is my Mommy going to die? " Now my wife is

desperately struggling to live while she answered my pleas 6 months ago with " I

am not going to get serious, I am going to lead a normal life!!!! " Today, only

4 months later, I (and the occasional hospice nurse) are doing everything from

bathing her, cleaning her bowels and feeding her while we are attempting to

handled my daughter's fear - this is her " normal " life. You are right, she

chose her path but, she has also dragged some incredible caring and loving

people onto that path with her. Of course, one can always say we are choosing

our paths too which is absolutely true but society is made up of selfish people

and selfless people (as so many of our friends are proving to me daily). My

point is exactly that: Choose your path, but with a little more care and

consideration in ones choices, one could help to make the world and the life of

their children, friends and loved ones a little bit better as a result of those

choices.

Sorry that my only post for a long time is so filled with anger and intolerance

for these selfish people :-) You know I love you my dear. :-) :-)