Re: Alpha Chain scramble - query needed on D word

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>Daschund was the name.

Hmmmm ....

Checking dictionaries, I find only " dachshund " - no " daschund " anywhere.

What rule in " Alpha Chain Scramble " governs cases of this sort?

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Yes, you are correct. I probably shouldn't try german words anyway.Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:>Daschund was the name.Hmmmm ....Checking dictionaries, I find only "dachshund" - no "daschund" anywhere.What rule in "Alpha Chain Scramble" governs cases of this sort? Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can

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The idea of the game is to increase group participations. We should stick to only English words. Also use easy to moderate words so most anyone can partake. I am not good at these games. a name <drumthis2001@...> wrote: Yes, you are correct. I probably shouldn't try german words anyway.Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:>Daschund was the name.Hmmmm ....Checking dictionaries, I find only "dachshund" - no "daschund" anywhere.What rule in "Alpha Chain Scramble" governs cases of this sort? Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone

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> The idea of the game is to increase group participations. We should stick to

only >English words.

/1/

80+% of the words used by English-speakers come from foreign

languages. So it seems to me that, if we stuck to only English words,

then we'd logically have to play without such common words as " idea, "

" increase, " " group, " " participation, " " alphabet, " and " chain " - also,

we'd have to play without the words " Asperger " and " autism " .

Since most people who speak and write English do not know,

offhand, which words do or don't come from foreign languages, I also

worry that banning words of foreign origin could make the game much

harder, not easier, to participate in.

/2/

Anyway, the word " dachshund " exists only in English, not in German.

(The Germans call this type of dog a " Dackel. " English-speakers who

didn't know a lot of German simply made up the word " dachshund " from

two other German words that mean " badger " and " hound " because they

knew the dog came from Germany and they knew the Germans bred it to

hunt badgers.)

Only in English do you call this type of dog a " dachshund. "

Doesn't that logically make " dachshund " an English word and not a

German one?

I'd like to know more, , about your other suggestion:

>Also use easy to moderate words so most anyone can partake.

What makes a word " easy to moderate " ? (I ask because I've only just

learned this game).

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Kate Gladstone

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Your'e wrong Kate. Dachshund is a german word. Do more research next time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DachshundKate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> The idea of the game is to increase group participations. We should stick to only >English words./1/80+% of the words used by English-speakers come from foreignlanguages. So it seems to me that, if we stuck to only English words,then we'd logically have to play without such common words as "idea,""increase," "group," "participation," "alphabet," and "chain" - also,we'd have to play without the words "Asperger" and "autism". Since most people who speak and write English do not know,offhand, which words do or don't come from foreign languages, I alsoworry that

banning words of foreign origin could make the game muchharder, not easier, to participate in./2/Anyway, the word "dachshund" exists only in English, not in German.(The Germans call this type of dog a "Dackel." English-speakers whodidn't know a lot of German simply made up the word "dachshund" fromtwo other German words that mean "badger" and "hound" because theyknew the dog came from Germany and they knew the Germans bred it tohunt badgers.) Only in English do you call this type of dog a "dachshund."Doesn't that logically make "dachshund" an English word and not aGerman one?I'd like to know more, , about your other suggestion:>Also use easy to moderate words so most anyone can partake.What makes a word "easy to moderate"? (I ask because I've only justlearned this game). Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the

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On 7 Mar 2006 Kate Gladstone wrote:

> Anyway, the word " dachshund " exists only in English, not in

> German.

I can understand that, but it's my other half that has me

concerned. Pomerania doesn't exist (ask Lekh Walenza, who is

from Gdansk), but yet humans say I'm half Pomeranian.

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hello can be spelling different ways depending on what language it is. hello and hola. Obviously we would use the hello as a word. From my observance of other games I have put together the participants increasingly try to challenge one another. I think that using words that are of the intermediate level by ones own estimation might increase participation. Although, if to complicate matters, there could be a secondary game established for advanced larger words. Such as a medical dictionary... Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> The idea of the game is to increase group participations. We should stick to only >English words./1/80+% of the words used by English-speakers come from foreignlanguages. So it seems to me that, if we stuck to only English words,then we'd logically have to play without such common words as "idea,""increase," "group," "participation," "alphabet," and "chain" - also,we'd have to play without the words "Asperger" and "autism". Since most people who speak and write English do not

know,offhand, which words do or don't come from foreign languages, I alsoworry that banning words of foreign origin could make the game muchharder, not easier, to participate in./2/Anyway, the word "dachshund" exists only in English, not in German.(The Germans call this type of dog a "Dackel." English-speakers whodidn't know a lot of German simply made up the word "dachshund" fromtwo other German words that mean "badger" and "hound" because theyknew the dog came from Germany and they knew the Germans bred it tohunt badgers.) Only in English do you call this type of dog a "dachshund."Doesn't that logically make "dachshund" an English word and not aGerman one?I'd like to know more, , about your other suggestion:>Also use easy to moderate words so most anyone can partake.What makes a word "easy to moderate"? (I ask because I've only justlearned this

game). Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)I'm from this planet, the rest of you are not.Please go back to Mars or Venushttp://www.simplecomplexities.org/community/

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> Your'e wrong Kate. Dachshund is a german word. Do more research next time.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachshund

Wikipedia (the encyclopedia that anyone can write for) makes numerous errors

(Google-search for

Wikipedia errors

sometime - you will find *a* *lot* on Wikipedia's many lapses

and goofs.)

Serious researchers (in languages or in any other field) therefore do

not regard reliance on Wiki as " research. "

I studied German for three years - in a class taught by an actual

German. The first time I said something in class about my friend who

had a pet " Dachshund, " the teacher stopped the class, made me look up

" Dachshund " in the German-to-English half of the class dictionary (a

REALLY big dictionary: the kind that colleges use in Germany) and tell

the class what I found ... and, lo and behold, no " Dachshund " !

Then our teacher asked me to look up " dachshund " in the

English-to-German half, and tell the class what I found as the German

word for " dachshund " ... and ... guess what I found? .... " Dackel " !

(no " Dachshund " anywhere).

Later I found out that our teacher did this every year, because

literally every year he had at least one student who made the

reasonable, expectable, but just-plain-wrong guess that the German

language included the word " Dachshund. "

I hope that looking the word up in the dictionary (both halves)

satisfies your request for more research. If it doesn't, please let me

know what you would regard as satisfactory research on this matter.

Wikipedia does have one thing right, though. Our English word

" dachshund " does in fact come from the German words " dachs " [badger]

and " hund " [dog/hound] - a fact which, as you recall, I also pointed

out. However, that fact doesn't make this word the German name for the

dog.

English-speakers, not German-speakers, put these two words

together into a new word naming this kind of dog.

Rough analogy:

If you travel in Europe, you will find that most people in the

German-speaking countries (Germany and Austria) firmly believe that

the English language calls a cell-phone a " handy " - because German

calls a cell-phone a " Handy, " and most Germans have heard somewhere

that German got this word from English (which German actually did -

when cell-phones first became popular, English-language TV and radio

news - which a lot of Germans watch/listen to - had stories about

" these handy devices " and people assumed that " handy " meant the

device.)

Germans who study English, and then go to an English-speaking

country, find it very hard at first to figure out why nobody

understands them when they say " English " sentences like " Do you have a

handy? " Also, they find it very hard to understand actual English

sentences that use the word " handy " for what it really means in

English. (Someone who thinks that " handy " means " cell-phone " tends to

think that " handyman " means " a man who has a cell-phone, " and really

has trouble understanding sentences like " Do you have your keys

handy? " or " My house is handy to the supermarket. " )

The fact that " handy " exists in English does not make " Handy "

an English word for " cell-phone. " The fact that " Dachs " and " Hund "

exist in German does not make " dachshund " a German word for " Dackel "

or for anything else.

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Kate Gladstone

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Re:

>

>

> hello can be spelling different ways depending on what language it is.

You have two different words here (just like " goodbye " and " adios " ),

not just spelling one word " different ways " - though, yes, obviously

we would use " hello " and not " hola " in an English-language game.

However, this doesn't really answer the question of how to have

a playable (or even very interesting) game if we follow your

suggestion not to use any foreign words. If you don't let people use

foreign words in this game, then wouldn't that mean that somebody who

has to pick an " m " -word mustn't pick " machine " because " machine " came

into English from French?

Re:

> I think that using words that are of the intermediate level by ones own

estimation >might increase participation.

Sorry, I don't know what you mean by " the intermediate level. "

What would I look at, in a particular word that I might want to use,

to determine if the word did or didn't belong to this " intermediate

level " that you would find helpful?

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intermediate / moderate level / between beginer and advanced, simple enough. It is a simple game, making it to where a greator number of persons can participate makes it more valued. Geekers-Crow, okliedoklie, giminie crickets, okiedokie-artachokie. Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:>>> hello can be spelling different ways depending on what language it is.You have two different words here (just like "goodbye" and "adios"),not just spelling one word "different ways" - though, yes, obviouslywe would use "hello" and not "hola" in an English-language game. However, this doesn't really answer the question of how to havea

playable (or even very interesting) game if we follow yoursuggestion not to use any foreign words. If you don't let people useforeign words in this game, then wouldn't that mean that somebody whohas to pick an "m"-word mustn't pick "machine" because "machine" cameinto English from French?Re:> I think that using words that are of the intermediate level by ones own estimation >might increase participation.Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "the intermediate level."What would I look at, in a particular word that I might want to use,to determine if the word did or didn't belong to this "intermediatelevel" that you would find helpful? Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)I'm from this planet, the rest of you are not.Please go back to Mars or Venushttp://www.simplecomplexities.org/community/

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In Sweden we call it Pommern. What is it called where you come from? Isn't

Pommern (or whatever the local name is) the whole area (like Ruhr), while

Gdansk is only a city in that area?

Inger

Re: Alpha Chain scramble - query needed on " D "

word

On 7 Mar 2006 Kate Gladstone wrote:

> Anyway, the word " dachshund " exists only in English, not in

> German.

I can understand that, but it's my other half that has me

concerned. Pomerania doesn't exist (ask Lekh Walenza, who is

from Gdansk), but yet humans say I'm half Pomeranian.

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Why complicate something that was supposed to be just some light

entertainment to encourage member participation?

Perhaps this is typical of AS... that we can't just relax and have a bit of

fun without getting stuck on debating the rules and getting lost in

linguistic discussion like a bunch of college professors, instead of just

playing. :-) May I venture a guess that quite a few of us were like this

even as kids?

Inger - who was never much for games at all, since I can't see the

usefulness in them... :-)

P.S. I suggest CURRENT English, no matter if the word is imported or not

(especially since ALL English words were imported at one time or another).

Re: Alpha Chain scramble - query needed on " D "

word

Re:

> The idea of the game is to increase group participations. We should stick

> to only >English words.

/1/

80+% of the words used by English-speakers come from foreign

languages. So it seems to me that, if we stuck to only English words,

then we'd logically have to play without such common words as " idea, "

" increase, " " group, " " participation, " " alphabet, " and " chain " - also,

we'd have to play without the words " Asperger " and " autism " .

Since most people who speak and write English do not know,

offhand, which words do or don't come from foreign languages, I also

worry that banning words of foreign origin could make the game much

harder, not easier, to participate in.

/2/

Anyway, the word " dachshund " exists only in English, not in German.

(The Germans call this type of dog a " Dackel. " English-speakers who

didn't know a lot of German simply made up the word " dachshund " from

two other German words that mean " badger " and " hound " because they

knew the dog came from Germany and they knew the Germans bred it to

hunt badgers.)

Only in English do you call this type of dog a " dachshund. "

Doesn't that logically make " dachshund " an English word and not a

German one?

I'd like to know more, , about your other suggestion:

>Also use easy to moderate words so most anyone can partake.

What makes a word " easy to moderate " ? (I ask because I've only just

learned this game).

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

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Re:

> intermediate / moderate level / between beginer and advanced, simple enough.

Not " simple enough, " if you have no way of knowing what someone else

would consider " simple enough " or " intermediate " or " moderate " in a

word.

Nothing in the words " charlatan " or " dachshund " (for instance)

says whether to think of these as " beginner " or " intermediate " or

" advanced. " I would find it very difficult indeed to have to somehow

figure out (before ever using a word) that it didn't show up on

somebody else's mental list of " intermediate words. " In fact, that

would make the game unplayable for me. Every time I thought of a word

I could use, I would have to wonder: " Uh-oh, what if somebody here

doesn't know this word? What if somebody here knows this word but

considers it 'a hard word' and therefore considers it unfair to use?

How can I possibly know, even before I actually use this word, that

using it won't make somebody complain that I used a word s/he didn't

happen to know, or a word that s/he considers 'hard' for some other

reason? How can I know, without mind-reading, what words somebody else

would call 'hard' or 'easy' or whatever? "

But I think we don't have to depend on people's ideas (of what makes a

word hard or easy) to solve the problem of " what words can we pick? "

, what if we game-players pick out one of the on-line

dictionaries of English (whichever one we can all agree on) and agree

to play Alpha Chain Scramble *only* with words which appear in that

dictionary? Then everybody would have access to the same dictionary

and could check the same words - e.g., if someone posts " ybatili " and

we know the word has to start with " a, " then we all have a chance to

look up " ab " -words, " ai " -words, " al " -words, etc. till we find the word

" ability. " People who disagreed with the choice could start their own

games of Alpha Chain Scramble, using a different dictionary that they

liked better - or even using *all* the on-line dictionaries, if they

wanted.

After all, most commercially sold word-games (such as Scrabble)

suggest playing the game with only words that a particular dictionary

contains. (Some games will even tell you, right in the rules, which

dictionary they want you to use for this game.) So I think we might as

well try that and see how it works for us.

Does this sound worth a try?

> Geekers-Crow, okliedoklie, giminie crickets, okiedokie-artachokie.

Sorry, I don't know what any of that means. Please explain.

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Your'e still wrong about the country of origin. There's no point in saying it's an English word when all of it's construct of letters comes from Germany. That's all I meant when I said "German Word". You were right about daschund not being the right way to spell it. When I put daschund as the word, I saw it on one of the websites that came up for weiner dogs. Try and you'll see what I mean. Daschund at the top of the list on e-bay of all places. I thought e-bay would be correct and I made the wrong assumption. Just click on the website below and you'll see where my confusion came from. http://search./search?fr=ush1-mail & p=weiner+dogs http://www.transparent.com/languagepages/german/overview.htm Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> Your'e wrong Kate. Dachshund is a german word. Do more research next time.>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DachshundWikipedia (the encyclopedia that anyone can write for) makes numerous errors (Google-search for Wikipedia errors sometime - you will find *a* *lot* on Wikipedia's many lapsesand goofs.)Serious researchers (in languages or in any other field) therefore donot regard reliance on Wiki as "research."I studied German for three years - in a class taught by an actualGerman. The first time I

said something in class about my friend whohad a pet "Dachshund," the teacher stopped the class, made me look up"Dachshund" in the German-to-English half of the class dictionary (aREALLY big dictionary: the kind that colleges use in Germany) and tellthe class what I found ... and, lo and behold, no "Dachshund"! Then our teacher asked me to look up "dachshund" in theEnglish-to-German half, and tell the class what I found as the Germanword for "dachshund" ... and ... guess what I found? .... "Dackel"!(no "Dachshund" anywhere). Later I found out that our teacher did this every year, becauseliterally every year he had at least one student who made thereasonable, expectable, but just-plain-wrong guess that the Germanlanguage included the word "Dachshund." I hope that looking the word up in the dictionary (both halves)satisfies your request for more

research. If it doesn't, please let meknow what you would regard as satisfactory research on this matter.Wikipedia does have one thing right, though. Our English word"dachshund" does in fact come from the German words "dachs" [badger]and "hund" [dog/hound] - a fact which, as you recall, I also pointedout. However, that fact doesn't make this word the German name for thedog. English-speakers, not German-speakers, put these two wordstogether into a new word naming this kind of dog. Rough analogy:If you travel in Europe, you will find that most people in theGerman-speaking countries (Germany and Austria) firmly believe thatthe English language calls a cell-phone a "handy" - because Germancalls a cell-phone a "Handy," and most Germans have heard somewherethat German got this word from English (which German actually did -when cell-phones first became popular,

English-language TV and radionews - which a lot of Germans watch/listen to - had stories about"these handy devices" and people assumed that "handy" meant thedevice.) Germans who study English, and then go to an English-speakingcountry, find it very hard at first to figure out why nobodyunderstands them when they say "English" sentences like "Do you have ahandy?" Also, they find it very hard to understand actual Englishsentences that use the word "handy" for what it really means inEnglish. (Someone who thinks that "handy" means "cell-phone" tends tothink that "handyman" means "a man who has a cell-phone," and reallyhas trouble understanding sentences like "Do you have your keyshandy?" or "My house is handy to the supermarket.") The fact that "handy" exists in English does not make "Handy"an English word for "cell-phone." The fact that "Dachs" and "Hund"exist

in German does not make "dachshund" a German word for "Dackel"or for anything else. Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

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You are annoying me greatly, but I am trying to not be rude and speak my mind. I think you are doing it on purpose lady. Quit it.Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re: > intermediate / moderate level / between beginer and advanced, simple enough. Not "simple enough," if you have no way of knowing what someone else would consider "simple enough" or "intermediate" or "moderate" in a word. Nothing in the words "charlatan" or "dachshund" (for instance) says whether to think of these as "beginner" or "intermediate" or "advanced." I would find it very difficult indeed to have to somehow figure out (before ever using a word) that it didn't show up on somebody else's mental list of "intermediate words." In fact, that would make the

game unplayable for me. Every time I thought of a word I could use, I would have to wonder: "Uh-oh, what if somebody here doesn't know this word? What if somebody here knows this word but considers it 'a hard word' and therefore considers it unfair to use? How can I possibly know, even before I actually use this word, that using it won't make somebody complain that I used a word s/he didn't happen to know, or a word that s/he considers 'hard' for some other reason? How can I know, without mind-reading, what words somebody else would call 'hard' or 'easy' or whatever?" But I think we don't have to depend on people's ideas (of what makes a word hard or easy) to solve the problem of "what words can we pick?" , what if we game-players pick out one of the on-line dictionaries of English (whichever one we can all agree on) and agree to play Alpha Chain Scramble *only* with words which appear in

that dictionary? Then everybody would have access to the same dictionary and could check the same words - e.g., if someone posts "ybatili" and we know the word has to start with "a," then we all have a chance to look up "ab"-words, "ai"-words, "al"-words, etc. till we find the word "ability." People who disagreed with the choice could start their own games of Alpha Chain Scramble, using a different dictionary that they liked better - or even using *all* the on-line dictionaries, if they wanted. After all, most commercially sold word-games (such as Scrabble) suggest playing the game with only words that a particular dictionary contains. (Some games will even tell you, right in the rules, which dictionary they want you to use for this game.) So I think we might as well try that and see how it works for us. Does this sound worth a try? > Geekers-Crow, okliedoklie, giminie crickets,

okiedokie-artachokie. Sorry, I don't know what any of that means. Please explain. Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold) I'm from this planet, the rest of you are not.Please go back to Mars or Venushttp://www.simplecomplexities.org/community/

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Re:

> ... There's no point in saying it's an English word when all of it's construct

of >letters comes from Germany. ...

If foreign origin (and a word having the same " construct of letters " -

letter-sequence) makes a word un-English ...

.... then we can't call " lion " and " table " English words, because these

words came into England from France, spelled just the way we spell

them in English.

We can't call " circus " and " forum " English, because these came into

England from ancient Italy (Rome), spelled just the way we spell them

in English.

We can't call " patio " and " tornado " English, because these came in

from Spanish-speaking countries, spelled just the way we spell them in

English.

And I could go on ...

If we exclude any of the thousands of English words that use the same

sequence of letters in English as in their language of origin, then

we'll have to keep quite a lot of the English language out of the

game. This will make the game much harder, not easier, to play -

because it would mean that everybody will have to ascertain the

pedigree of every word he or she might imagine playing, before s/he

plays it.

For example: , suppose you have to pick a word that starts

with the letter " f. " You post " rtifu " - nobody gets it - you say " It

was 'fruit' " - and somebody who didn't get " fruit " will immediately

point out that you broke your own proposed rule by giving us this

word, because " fruit " has exactly the same sequence of letters in

English that it has in French where it came from originally.

Or else you post " rtifu, " then (for instance) I get it, but then

someone *else* jumps in and says that we *both* broke your own

proposed rule - that you shouldn't have presented the word, and I

shouldn't have solved it, because we agreed to play only with actual

English words and not with words like " fruit. "

This wouldn't happen just with " fruit " - it could also happen

with any of the thousands and thousands of other perfectly ordinary

English words that have the same spelling in English as in their

language of origin

Thanks, anyway, for explaining where your confusion about " dachshund "

came from. Certainly no one needs to apologize for such a common

confusion.

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

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325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

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[Guest guest]

- I *do* have a purpose: the purpose of pointing out the

logical consequences of the rules that you would like to have a game

played under.

I'll happily play Alpha Chain Scramble with anyone, either under the

present rules or with some specified modification such as the one you

propose (not using any words that keep the " construct of letters "

which they had in another language).

Playing under any set of rules means knowing that the rules apply

consistently. If a rule says we can't use " dachshund " because it has a

German sequence of letters, then we can't use " fruit " because that has

a French sequence of letters - or so it seems to me. I guess it

doesn't seem that way to you, so I'd appreciate an explanation of why

it doesn't seem that way to you. I want to understand how you think on

this matter.

Since nobody else has posted either in favor of, or against, your

proposed restriction of the words used in Alpha Chain Scramble, I hope

that someone else will come up with a solution that makes the game

easily playable for you without making it hard and unplayable for me.

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

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[Guest guest]

Kate, why do you complicate matters so much? Can't we just have a little

fun and play a game without analyzing (beating a dead horse) to death?

, I'm proud of you for holding your tongue... I can relate to you

very much at this moment... Toni

Young wrote:

> You are annoying me greatly, but I am trying to not be rude and speak

> my mind. I think you are doing it on purpose lady. Quit it.

>

> */Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...>/* wrote:

>

> Re:

>

>

> > intermediate / moderate level / between beginer and advanced,

> simple enough.

>

> Not " simple enough, " if you have no way of knowing what someone else

> would consider " simple enough " or " intermediate " or " moderate " in a

> word.

> Nothing in the words " charlatan " or " dachshund " (for instance)

> says whether to think of these as " beginner " or " intermediate " or

> " advanced. " I would find it very difficult indeed to have to somehow

> figure out (before ever using a word) that it didn't show up on

> somebody else's mental list of " intermediate words. " In fact, that

> would make the game unplayable for me. Every time I thought of a word

> I could use, I would have to wonder: " Uh-oh, what if somebody here

> doesn't know this word? What if somebody here knows this word but

> considers it 'a hard word' and therefore considers it unfair to use?

> How can I possibly know, even before I actually use this word, that

> using it won't make somebody complain that I used a word s/he didn't

> happen to know, or a word that s/he considers 'hard' for some other

> reason? How can I know, without mind-reading, what words somebody else

> would call 'hard' or 'easy' or whatever? "

>

> But I think we don't have to depend on people's ideas (of what makes a

> word hard or easy) to solve the problem of " what words can we pick? "

> , what if we game-players pick out one of the on-line

> dictionaries of English (whichever one we can all agree on) and agree

> to play Alpha Chain Scramble *only* with words which appear in that

> dictionary? Then everybody would have access to the same dictionary

> and could check the same words - e.g., if someone posts " ybatili " and

> we know the word has to start with " a, " then we all have a chance to

> look up " ab " -words, " ai " -words, " al " -words, etc. till we find the word

> " ability. " People who disagreed with the choice could start their own

> games of Alpha Chain Scramble, using a different dictionary that they

> liked better - or even using *all* the on-line dictionaries, if they

> wanted.

>

> After all, most commercially sold word-games (such as Scrabble)

> suggest playing the game with only words that a particular dictionary

> contains. (Some games will even tell you, right in the rules, which

> dictionary they want you to use for this game.) So I think we might as

> well try that and see how it works for us.

> Does this sound worth a try?

>

> > Geekers-Crow, okliedoklie, giminie crickets, okiedokie-artachokie.

>

> Sorry, I don't know what any of that means. Please explain.

>

>

> Yours for better letters,

> Kate Gladstone

> Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

> handwritingrepair@...

> http://learn.to/handwrite,

> http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

> 325 South Manning Boulevard

> Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

> telephone 518/482-6763

> AND REMEMBER ...

> you can order books through my site!

> (Amazon.com link -

> I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It is not really a restriction, just making the game suitable to enough so that more can partake. The difficulty of words need not be extended to other languages; some know that frequency and prominence (usage & familiarity) play a rule in recognition. To me it is common logic. It is a gme not linguistic instruction, articulation correction and historical language relevencies. Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: - I *do* have a purpose: the purpose of pointing out thelogical consequences of the rules that you would like to have a gameplayed under.I'll happily play Alpha Chain Scramble with anyone, either under thepresent rules or with some specified modification such as the one youpropose (not using any words that keep the "construct of letters"which they had in another language).Playing under any set of rules means knowing that the rules applyconsistently. If a rule says we can't use "dachshund" because it has aGerman sequence of letters, then we can't use "fruit" because that hasa French sequence of letters - or so it seems to me. I guess itdoesn't seem that way to you, so I'd appreciate an explanation of whyit doesn't seem that way to you. I want to understand how you think onthis matter.Since nobody else has posted either in favor of, or against, yourproposed restriction of

the words used in Alpha Chain Scramble, I hopethat someone else will come up with a solution that makes the gameeasily playable for you without making it hard and unplayable for me. Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)I'm from this planet, the rest of you are not.Please go back to Mars or Venushttp://www.simplecomplexities.org/community/

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[Guest guest]

The only one who has a problem with the game is you.

Majority rules.

It's a game.

No need to make a science out of it.

If it's too incomprehensible for it, then quit playing.

Tom

Administrator

Since nobody else has posted either in favor of, or against, your

proposed restriction of the words used in Alpha Chain Scramble, I

hope

that someone else will come up with a solution that makes the game

easily playable for you without making it hard and unplayable for me.

[Guest guest]

The only one who has a problem with the game is you.

Majority rules.

It's a game.

No need to make a science out of it.

If it's too incomprehensible for it, then quit playing.

Tom

Administrator

Since nobody else has posted either in favor of, or against, your

proposed restriction of the words used in Alpha Chain Scramble, I

hope

that someone else will come up with a solution that makes the game

easily playable for you without making it hard and unplayable for me.

[Guest guest]

She is being an Aspie.

When we approach a sign that says " STOP " many of us think to

ourselves " Where precisely? "

Nevertheless, I have addressed this issue to her in a prior post.

Tom

Administrator

Kate, why do you complicate matters so much? Can't we just have a

little fun and play a game without analyzing (beating a dead horse) to

death?

, I'm proud of you for holding your tongue... I can relate to you

very much at this moment... Toni

[Guest guest]

She is being an Aspie.

When we approach a sign that says " STOP " many of us think to

ourselves " Where precisely? "

Nevertheless, I have addressed this issue to her in a prior post.

Tom

Administrator

Kate, why do you complicate matters so much? Can't we just have a

little fun and play a game without analyzing (beating a dead horse) to

death?

, I'm proud of you for holding your tongue... I can relate to you

very much at this moment... Toni

[Guest guest]

Re:

> It is not really a restriction, just making the game suitable to enough so

that >more can partake.

So I need to know how to tell (in advance) what will make a word

" suitable " as you say.

Words that look quite ordinary to me - that I frequently see,

hear, and use - may puzzle others, and _vice_versa_. What seems

" common logic " to you, I may find incomprehensible, and _vice_versa.

Because of the very fact that " it is a game " (as you say), the game

needs rules that every player can understand and use. When I want to

play a game, and I know information that affects applying a suggestion

made by another player, I cannot " un-know " that information. I should

not have to pretend that I did not know the information, and I should

not have to pretend that I could not see how knowing this information

affects my ability to apply the suggestion that the other player has

made.

What would make it " a game " - what would make it even fun - to

suppress my knowing things that I can see must affect my ability to

apply 's suggestion about which words not to use?

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

AND REMEMBER ...

you can order books through my site!

(Amazon.com link -

I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

[Guest guest]

Re:

> Kate, why do you complicate matters so much? Can't we just have a little

> fun and play a game without analyzing (beating a dead horse) to death?

I don't find it fun to play a game without knowing how it operates.

suggested that the game should operate without certain words.

He suggested how to decide what words we should operate without. I saw

something in his suggestion that makes that suggestion hard to apply.

I asked about that. To explain the difficulty I felt, I gave examples.

Plainly this did not work very well. Toni or , can you please

suggest a different way I should have tried to show you the difficulty

I saw in knowing how to follow 's suggestion?

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

AND REMEMBER ...

you can order books through my site!

(Amazon.com link -

I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)