Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Is it just me... but the one that caught my eye was... The Boy Who Wanted to Be a Robot I would like to see/read that.. Ender... Quote
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 How on earth did Meniere's Disease get lumped in with (I haven't verified all the other ones as qualifying) neuro-based issues??? Meniere's Disease is a problem of the inner ear, and tends to be degenerative, and is *not* a neurological condition. Over time, most people tend to lose vestibular function, as well as hearing. My best guess is they just saw it as something sufficiently rare but interesting to lump in with the rest of the things they purport to cover. > > > This is posted from another list with permission. -- Amy > > > More than 100 artists with 13 plays presenting 69 events over 25 days .. it boggles the mind! > Untitled Theater Company #61 explores the nexus of science and art in NEUROfest, the first-ever theater festival dedicated to neurological conditions from January 5 through 29, 2006. > > A collection of theater artists from around the country will present work inspired by various neurological conditions, including: > > a.. Amnesia (Korsakov's Syndrome), > b.. Aphasia, > c.. Autism, > d.. Capgras Syndrome, > e.. Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), > f.. Dementia, > g.. Meniere's Disease, > h.. Synesthesia, and > i.. Tourette's Syndrome > In conjunction with the performances, NEUROfest will also host a series of seminars/panel discussions with noted experts. > > The festival line-up comprises a diverse selection of contemporary theatrical forms, from: > > a.. Edgy, solo performance in noted Downtown artist Kirk Wood Bromley's Syndrome; to > b.. Multimedia by real-life neurologist Jordan in CJD; to > c.. Puppetry/object manipulation in The Boy Who Wanted to Be a Robot; to > d.. A family musical with Welcome to Tourettaville! (co-written by a 7 year-old with Tourette's Syndrome); to > e.. A short monologue in The Taste of Blue, set in the realm of the senses; to > f.. A full-length opera/theater piece in Tabula Rasa; to > g.. An exploration of found texts in Doctors Jane and ; to > h.. The Pinter-esque puzzlings of Strangers; to > i.. An examination of communication in Linguish, when language isn't an option; to > j.. A love story about two men, music, and vertigo in Vestibular; to > k.. A family drama about delusion and doppelgangers in Impostors. > Individual tickets are available through TheaterMania.com (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show.cfm/show/117118) or you can see everything with a NEUROpass. Either way, NEUROfest promises fascinating and compelling theater. > > Theatre 5 > 311 West 43rd Street, 5th Floor > New York, NY 10036 > Tickets: 212-352-3101 > Price > > $15.00 > > > > Schedule: > Schedule varies. > > Running Time: 1 hr. 30 min. > > Opening Date: > January 7, 2006 > > Closing Date: > January 28, 2006 > > > Einhorn > Artistic Director > Untitled Theater Company #61 and NEUROfest > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 I have a friend that has Meniere's and she sees a neurologist to help control it, apparentley the loss of hearing is related to a spot in the brain breaking down and not functioning properly is what causes the hearing loss. The test her brain all of the time to make sure that it isn't progressing to quickly. It also effects motor control and other functiuons as well as vertigo. Bethstrictnon_conformist <no_reply > wrote: How on earth did Meniere's Disease get lumped in with (I haven't verified all the other ones as qualifying) neuro-based issues???Meniere's Disease is a problem of the inner ear, and tends to be degenerative, and is *not* a neurological condition. Over time, most people tend to lose vestibular function, as well as hearing. My best guess is they just saw it as something sufficiently rare but interesting to lump in with the rest of the things they purport to cover.>> > This is posted from another list with permission. -- Amy> > > More than 100 artists with 13 plays presenting 69 events over 25 days .. it boggles the mind!> Untitled Theater Company #61 explores the nexus of science and art in NEUROfest, the first-ever theater festival dedicated to neurological conditions from January 5 through 29, 2006.> > A collection of theater artists from around the country will present work inspired by various neurological conditions, including:> > a.. Amnesia (Korsakov's Syndrome), > b.. Aphasia, > c.. Autism, > d.. Capgras Syndrome, > e.. Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), > f.. Dementia, > g.. Meniere's Disease, > h.. Synesthesia, and > i.. Tourette's Syndrome > In conjunction with the performances, NEUROfest will also host a series of seminars/panel discussions with noted experts.> > The festival line-up comprises a diverse selection of contemporary theatrical forms, from:> > a.. Edgy, solo performance in noted Downtown artist Kirk Wood Bromley's Syndrome; to > b.. Multimedia by real-life neurologist Jordan in CJD; to > c.. Puppetry/object manipulation in The Boy Who Wanted to Be a Robot; to > d.. A family musical with Welcome to Tourettaville! (co-written by a 7 year-old with Tourette's Syndrome); to > e.. A short monologue in The Taste of Blue, set in the realm of the senses; to > f.. A full-length opera/theater piece in Tabula Rasa; to > g.. An exploration of found texts in Doctors Jane and ; to > h.. The Pinter-esque puzzlings of Strangers; to > i.. An examination of communication in Linguish, when language isn't an option; to > j.. A love story about two men, music, and vertigo in Vestibular; to > k.. A family drama about delusion and doppelgangers in Impostors. > Individual tickets are available through TheaterMania.com (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show.cfm/show/117118) or you can see everything with a NEUROpass. Either way, NEUROfest promises fascinating and compelling theater.> > Theatre 5> 311 West 43rd Street, 5th Floor> New York, NY 10036> Tickets: 212-352-3101> Price> > $15.00 > > > > Schedule:> Schedule varies. > > Running Time: 1 hr. 30 min. > > Opening Date: > January 7, 2006> > Closing Date: > January 28, 2006> > > Einhorn> Artistic Director> Untitled Theater Company #61 and NEUROfest> Quote
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Posted January 14, 2006 Hi Strict, It seems like your case and hers are slightly different. Apparently there are differnt types or kinds of Meniere's. I found the following info and there is more at the following site. From what she has told me her type is caused by vascular compression in the brain, which is what lead me to believe it is neurological. In addition when she was diagnosed, (she is my brothers, best friends wife,) he suggested she see my cousin Fred who is one of the countries top neurologists, although this isn't he specialty. She couldn't travel to New York to see him so it didn't work out, but thats beside the point. I was under the impression that it was strictly neurological, It is interesting to find out that there are other forms. I guess I didn't know quite as much as I thought I did. Thanks for the info. Beth What is Meniere's Disease? Fact: "Classic" (typical) Meniere's Disease is the term given to the condition having the following four symptoms, after thorough testing has determined no other cause: Fluctuating (episodic) hearing loss. Fluctuating (episodic) rotational vertigo (a form of dizziness). Fluctuating (episodic) tinnitus (a sound heard when there is no sound). Fluctuating (episodic) aural fullness (a sense of pressure in the middle ear, as if descending in an airplane; however, it is *not* actual pressure in the middle ear). CAUTION: It is not possible to self-diagnose Meniere's Disease. Meniere's Disease is *not* defined by its symptoms. There are many disorders that have the same symptoms as Meniere's Disease. For a diagnosis, you *must* see a licensed and qualified medical professional. See the diagnosis information below and our diagnosis page for further information. Patients also experience nausea and vomiting but only as a consequence of the symptom of rotational vertigo. Therefore, nausea and vomiting are not considered to be symptoms of Meniere's Disease. Anecdotally, some patients also report forgetfulness, memory loss, feelings of confusion, disorientation, and/or sensory overload. "Brain fog" is a term for this condition used by many Meniere's Disease patients. Many patients with chronic (long-term) medical problems experience some form of this condition, and use other terms for the same condition. There is no authoritative source that documents "brain fog," and brain fog is not considered to be a symptom of Meniere's Disease. Meniere's Disease is "episodic," meaning that patients experience "attacks" that "fluctuate" (vary in intensity and duration), yet Meniere's Disease affects each patient differently. Some patients experience acute (severe) rotational vertigo (a form of dizziness) "attacks" very frequently; other patients experience acute rotational vertigo attacks less frequently, or experience less severe attacks. Some patients lose hearing at a rapid rate and become deafened in the affected ear quickly; other patients lose hearing more slowly and never become totally deafened before death overtakes the disease. Some patients experience some degree of fluctuating tinnitus "24/7," while other patients experience tinnitus that fluctuates from zero to a roar. The variations of tinnitus are endless. For some patients, tinnitus is the sound of a zillion crickets chirping; for other patients, tinnitus is the sound of a jet engine whine; for still other patients, a "thumping" sound; for even other patients, a cacophony of sounds. Some patients experience fluctuating aural fullness that can become acute, sometimes even to the point of pain (although pain is unrecognized in the authoritative literature); other patients experience lesser degrees of fluctuating aural fullness. The majority of patients are unilateral, having Meniere's Disease in "just" one ear; other patients are, or will become, bilateral -- having Meniere's Disease in both ears. There are two "atypical" forms of Meniere's Disease, in which there are three (rather than four) symptoms. (In this case, the letter "a" means "not." Therefore, "atypical" means "not typical.") One "atypical" form is "cochlear Meniere's Disease" (also called "cochlear hydrops"), the symptoms of which are (1) fluctuating (episodic) hearing loss, (2) fluctuating (episodic) tinnitus, and (3) fluctuating (episodic) aural fullness; there is no rotational vertigo (dizziness) in this "atypical" form of Meniere's Disease. The other "atypical" form is "vestibular Meniere's Disease" (also called "vestibular hydrops"), the symptoms of which are (1) fluctuating (episodic) rotational vertigo, (2) fluctuating (episodic) tinnitus, and (3) fluctuating (episodic) aural fullness; there is no fluctuating hearing loss in this "atypical" form of Meniere's Disease. Some, but not all, patients who start out with atypical Meniere's Disease sooner or later develop the remaining fourth symptom and thus develop "classic" Meniere's Disease. Click here for more information on the symptoms of Meniere's Disease, linked to authoritative sources. What is the cause of Meniere's Disease? Fact: Meniere's Disease is "idiopathic" -- the cause is unknown. Some doctors have their own opinions as to the cause of Meniere's Disease, but "opinions" are not "facts." Most researchers believe that the symptoms that are called Meniere's Disease in most (but not all) patients are the result of "idiopathic endolymphatic hydrops" -- excess endolymphatic fluid (one of two inner ear fluids) from an unknown ("idiopathic") cause. Under this theory, acute attacks occur when excess potassium-rich endolymphatic fluid leaks through a separating membrane into sodium-rich perilymphatic fluid (the other inner ear fluid), contaminating it. "Idiopathic endolymphatic hydrops" is sometimes simplified in conversation to "endolymphatic hydrops," or simply "hydrops" (although there are many types of "hydrops"). Some cases of endolymphatic hydrops occur from known causes, and are therefore neither "idiopathic endolymphatic hydrops," nor "Meniere's Disease." (In other words, if you know what is causing your symptoms, then, by definition, you do not have Meniere's Disease.) In any event, endolymphatic hydrops (whether idiopathic (Meniere's Disease) or otherwise) can only be confirmed by autopsy. Prior to autopsy, a diagnosis of endolymphatic hydrops is educated speculation based upon the fact that there is no other identifiable cause for the symptoms and from inferences drawn from test results that are "pointers" rather than "litmus test" results. Of the small number of patients diagnosed with Meniere's Disease who eventually have autopsies, some are found to *not* have endolymphatic hydrops. Some researchers believe that in some patients with "Meniere's Disease," the symptoms are the result of a blood vessel pressing upon a nerve ("vascular compression" or "microvascular compression syndrome (MCS)"); other researchers view this as a separate disease. Some researchers believe that in some patients with "Meniere's Disease," the symptoms result from some autoimmune condition. Still others believe that in some patients with "Meniere's Disease" the symptoms are the result of a virus infection, but studies have yet to confirm this. There are a very few studies that find a possible connection with the herpes simplex virus (HSV). The authors of these studies do not claim that Meniere's Disease is *caused* by HSV, but conclude that their results show that more study is needed to determine whether HSV has any effect on the symptoms that we call "Meniere's Disease." (Click here to conduct research on HSV and Meniere's Disease, and other topics.) The bottom line: no one knows what causes Meniere's Disease. Our lay and inexpert speculation: perhaps there are ten (or more or fewer) currently unknown diseases that each have the same symptoms as what we now call "Meniere's Disease," and we each have one (or perhaps two or three) of the ten (or more or fewer) of the currently unknown diseases. *IF* this is true, then ten patients could be diagnosed with "Meniere's Disease," yet each one could have a different disease, and each one could respond differently to various treatments. More info can be found at this site. http://www.menieresinfo.com/start.htmlstrictnon_conformist <no_reply > wrote: > (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show.cfm/show/117118) or you can > see everything with a NEUROpass. Either way, NEUROfest promises > fascinating and compelling theater.> > > > Theatre 5> > 311 West 43rd Street, 5th Floor> > New York, NY 10036> > Tickets: 212-352-3101> > Price> > > > $15.00 > > > > > > > > Schedule:> > Schedule varies. > > > > Running Time: 1 hr. 30 min. > > > > Opening Date: > > January 7, 2006> > > > Closing Date: > > January 28, 2006> > > > > > Einhorn> > Artistic Director> > Untitled Theater Company #61 and NEUROfest> >> > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Posted January 14, 2006 Hi Strict, It seems like your case and hers are slightly different. Apparently there are differnt types or kinds of Meniere's. I found the following info and there is more at the following site. From what she has told me her type is caused by vascular compression in the brain, which is what lead me to believe it is neurological. In addition when she was diagnosed, (she is my brothers, best friends wife,) he suggested she see my cousin Fred who is one of the countries top neurologists, although this isn't he specialty. She couldn't travel to New York to see him so it didn't work out, but thats beside the point. I was under the impression that it was strictly neurological, It is interesting to find out that there are other forms. I guess I didn't know quite as much as I thought I did. Thanks for the info. Beth What is Meniere's Disease? Fact: "Classic" (typical) Meniere's Disease is the term given to the condition having the following four symptoms, after thorough testing has determined no other cause: Fluctuating (episodic) hearing loss. Fluctuating (episodic) rotational vertigo (a form of dizziness). Fluctuating (episodic) tinnitus (a sound heard when there is no sound). Fluctuating (episodic) aural fullness (a sense of pressure in the middle ear, as if descending in an airplane; however, it is *not* actual pressure in the middle ear). CAUTION: It is not possible to self-diagnose Meniere's Disease. Meniere's Disease is *not* defined by its symptoms. There are many disorders that have the same symptoms as Meniere's Disease. For a diagnosis, you *must* see a licensed and qualified medical professional. See the diagnosis information below and our diagnosis page for further information. Patients also experience nausea and vomiting but only as a consequence of the symptom of rotational vertigo. Therefore, nausea and vomiting are not considered to be symptoms of Meniere's Disease. Anecdotally, some patients also report forgetfulness, memory loss, feelings of confusion, disorientation, and/or sensory overload. "Brain fog" is a term for this condition used by many Meniere's Disease patients. Many patients with chronic (long-term) medical problems experience some form of this condition, and use other terms for the same condition. There is no authoritative source that documents "brain fog," and brain fog is not considered to be a symptom of Meniere's Disease. Meniere's Disease is "episodic," meaning that patients experience "attacks" that "fluctuate" (vary in intensity and duration), yet Meniere's Disease affects each patient differently. Some patients experience acute (severe) rotational vertigo (a form of dizziness) "attacks" very frequently; other patients experience acute rotational vertigo attacks less frequently, or experience less severe attacks. Some patients lose hearing at a rapid rate and become deafened in the affected ear quickly; other patients lose hearing more slowly and never become totally deafened before death overtakes the disease. Some patients experience some degree of fluctuating tinnitus "24/7," while other patients experience tinnitus that fluctuates from zero to a roar. The variations of tinnitus are endless. For some patients, tinnitus is the sound of a zillion crickets chirping; for other patients, tinnitus is the sound of a jet engine whine; for still other patients, a "thumping" sound; for even other patients, a cacophony of sounds. Some patients experience fluctuating aural fullness that can become acute, sometimes even to the point of pain (although pain is unrecognized in the authoritative literature); other patients experience lesser degrees of fluctuating aural fullness. The majority of patients are unilateral, having Meniere's Disease in "just" one ear; other patients are, or will become, bilateral -- having Meniere's Disease in both ears. There are two "atypical" forms of Meniere's Disease, in which there are three (rather than four) symptoms. (In this case, the letter "a" means "not." Therefore, "atypical" means "not typical.") One "atypical" form is "cochlear Meniere's Disease" (also called "cochlear hydrops"), the symptoms of which are (1) fluctuating (episodic) hearing loss, (2) fluctuating (episodic) tinnitus, and (3) fluctuating (episodic) aural fullness; there is no rotational vertigo (dizziness) in this "atypical" form of Meniere's Disease. The other "atypical" form is "vestibular Meniere's Disease" (also called "vestibular hydrops"), the symptoms of which are (1) fluctuating (episodic) rotational vertigo, (2) fluctuating (episodic) tinnitus, and (3) fluctuating (episodic) aural fullness; there is no fluctuating hearing loss in this "atypical" form of Meniere's Disease. Some, but not all, patients who start out with atypical Meniere's Disease sooner or later develop the remaining fourth symptom and thus develop "classic" Meniere's Disease. Click here for more information on the symptoms of Meniere's Disease, linked to authoritative sources. What is the cause of Meniere's Disease? Fact: Meniere's Disease is "idiopathic" -- the cause is unknown. Some doctors have their own opinions as to the cause of Meniere's Disease, but "opinions" are not "facts." Most researchers believe that the symptoms that are called Meniere's Disease in most (but not all) patients are the result of "idiopathic endolymphatic hydrops" -- excess endolymphatic fluid (one of two inner ear fluids) from an unknown ("idiopathic") cause. Under this theory, acute attacks occur when excess potassium-rich endolymphatic fluid leaks through a separating membrane into sodium-rich perilymphatic fluid (the other inner ear fluid), contaminating it. "Idiopathic endolymphatic hydrops" is sometimes simplified in conversation to "endolymphatic hydrops," or simply "hydrops" (although there are many types of "hydrops"). Some cases of endolymphatic hydrops occur from known causes, and are therefore neither "idiopathic endolymphatic hydrops," nor "Meniere's Disease." (In other words, if you know what is causing your symptoms, then, by definition, you do not have Meniere's Disease.) In any event, endolymphatic hydrops (whether idiopathic (Meniere's Disease) or otherwise) can only be confirmed by autopsy. Prior to autopsy, a diagnosis of endolymphatic hydrops is educated speculation based upon the fact that there is no other identifiable cause for the symptoms and from inferences drawn from test results that are "pointers" rather than "litmus test" results. Of the small number of patients diagnosed with Meniere's Disease who eventually have autopsies, some are found to *not* have endolymphatic hydrops. Some researchers believe that in some patients with "Meniere's Disease," the symptoms are the result of a blood vessel pressing upon a nerve ("vascular compression" or "microvascular compression syndrome (MCS)"); other researchers view this as a separate disease. Some researchers believe that in some patients with "Meniere's Disease," the symptoms result from some autoimmune condition. Still others believe that in some patients with "Meniere's Disease" the symptoms are the result of a virus infection, but studies have yet to confirm this. There are a very few studies that find a possible connection with the herpes simplex virus (HSV). The authors of these studies do not claim that Meniere's Disease is *caused* by HSV, but conclude that their results show that more study is needed to determine whether HSV has any effect on the symptoms that we call "Meniere's Disease." (Click here to conduct research on HSV and Meniere's Disease, and other topics.) The bottom line: no one knows what causes Meniere's Disease. Our lay and inexpert speculation: perhaps there are ten (or more or fewer) currently unknown diseases that each have the same symptoms as what we now call "Meniere's Disease," and we each have one (or perhaps two or three) of the ten (or more or fewer) of the currently unknown diseases. *IF* this is true, then ten patients could be diagnosed with "Meniere's Disease," yet each one could have a different disease, and each one could respond differently to various treatments. More info can be found at this site. http://www.menieresinfo.com/start.htmlstrictnon_conformist <no_reply > wrote: > (http://www.theatermania.com/content/show.cfm/show/117118) or you can > see everything with a NEUROpass. Either way, NEUROfest promises > fascinating and compelling theater.> > > > Theatre 5> > 311 West 43rd Street, 5th Floor> > New York, NY 10036> > Tickets: 212-352-3101> > Price> > > > $15.00 > > > > > > > > Schedule:> > Schedule varies. > > > > Running Time: 1 hr. 30 min. > > > > Opening Date: > > January 7, 2006> > > > Closing Date: > > January 28, 2006> > > > > > Einhorn> > Artistic Director> > Untitled Theater Company #61 and NEUROfest> >> > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites." > > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Posted January 14, 2006 I understand this sensation. Many years ago I spent two weeks on a fishing trip and by the end of the first long day (where we spent all day on the boat and even ate lunch out there) I came back on shore lolling about like a sailor because the ground felt it was moving like the lake. I felt fine when I got in the boat for a while but the sensation came back when I got on shore. That sensation stayed with me when I went to bed and I did indeed feel like I was rocking in bed and very dizzy. Finally, I did fall asleep and had nightmarish dreams where I was trying to run from people but the ground kept tilting and spinning benath me. They were undoubtedly some of the strangest dreams I have ever had. Tom What's fun is when you have your inner ear decide to start producing garbage when you're asleep, and makes youl feel like you're being rocked violently back and forth: the dreams that go with that can be very entertaining nightmares Quote
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 Here is something to better help visualize the severity of the rocking I've experienced in dreams: imagine you're on a wood pole, at about 10 feet high, with it rotating back and forth about 90 degrees total about the axis at the bottom, every quarter second, and you're trying to hold on. I don't think I'd ever have a serious problem with getting sea sick (yes, I've had the same sort of thing after swimming in a lake all day, and that was mild). It's useful to keep in mind that our inner ear has sensors for x,y, and z axis of rotation, so this can affect any combination of the axis, in whole or in part. > > What's fun is when you have your inner ear decide to start producing > garbage when you're asleep, and makes youl feel like you're being > rocked violently back and forth: the dreams that go with that can be > very entertaining nightmares > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 I'm thinking that we Aspies are more sensitive to this sensation caused by being on a boat, and get seasick easier. I was recently on a cruise and I could feel the boat moving when others couldn't. Also, one of our friends who is either autistic or has autistic traits could feel it moving as well, though the others couldn't. I didn't sleep well, though others said they either didn't notice it or the rocking helped put them to sleep. The ground kept feeling like it was moving for a couple days after I got back. > > What's fun is when you have your inner ear decide to start producing > garbage when you're asleep, and makes youl feel like you're being > rocked violently back and forth: the dreams that go with that can be > very entertaining nightmares > Quote
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 I am very prone to motion sickness. Air travel is a real horror for me because I almost always get airsick. Descending it the worst for me though. Some airlines drop down in sharp stages and they really makes me sick. Others are more gentle about it, but it still gets to me. What really makes me sick is looking out the window when the plane banks. My eyes see the outside world tilting, but the G-forces of the plane tell my ear and the rest of my body that "down" is the bottom of the plane. This makes me sick in very short order. Boats get to me after a while too, though I have never taken a long cruise. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 I know that dream. Someone in the house was taking a bath. The bathroom was just a few feet from my room. There was water splashing around. I was having an incredible dream and it seemed to last a long time. Then, I woke up. Yes, those dreams are very real and, shall I say engaging. mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...> wrote: I'm thinking that we Aspies are more sensitive to this sensation caused by being on a boat, and get seasick easier. I was recently on a cruise and I could feel the boat moving when others couldn't. Also, one of our friends who is either autistic or has autistic traits could feel it moving as well, though the others couldn't. I didn't sleep well, though others said they either didn't notice it or the rocking helped put them to sleep. The ground kept feeling like it was moving for a couple days after I got back.> > What's fun is when you have your inner ear decide to start producing > garbage when you're asleep, and makes youl feel like you're being > rocked violently back and forth: the dreams that go with that can be > very entertaining nightmares > Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 Okay. I understand a little better now. Tom Here is something to better help visualize the severity of the rocking I've experienced in dreams: imagine you're on a wood pole, at about 10 feet high, with it rotating back and forth about 90 degrees total about the axis at the bottom, every quarter second, and you're trying to hold on. I don't think I'd ever have a serious problem with getting sea sick (yes, I've had the same sort of thing after swimming in a lake all day, and that was mild). It's useful to keep in mind that our inner ear has sensors for x,y, and z axis of rotation, so this can affect any combination of the axis, in whole or in part. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 I can't read or do other things in the car either. Oddly though I can usually read on the train, but trying to read, even a map, in a car or plane is instant motion sickness. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 Same for me when I have been on a boat. My world rocks for days afterwards and that's decidedly unnerving, not at all as cool as it may sound. Inger Re: NEUROfest I'm thinking that we Aspies are more sensitive to this sensation caused by being on a boat, and get seasick easier. I was recently on a cruise and I could feel the boat moving when others couldn't. Also, one of our friends who is either autistic or has autistic traits could feel it moving as well, though the others couldn't. I didn't sleep well, though others said they either didn't notice it or the rocking helped put them to sleep. The ground kept feeling like it was moving for a couple days after I got back. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 I easily get motion sickness too. I always need to take sea-sick pills when flying or going on a cruise (not a problem now that I rarely leave my house but terrible when I was younger). As a kid I also got car sick. Eventually I figured out that it was from reading or playing with something instead of looking out the window. After I adjusted my behavior accordingly, I never got car sick again. Inger Re: Re: NEUROfest I am very prone to motion sickness. Air travel is a real horror for me because I almost always get airsick. Descending it the worst for me though. Some airlines drop down in sharp stages and they really makes me sick. Others are more gentle about it, but it still gets to me. What really makes me sick is looking out the window when the plane banks. My eyes see the outside world tilting, but the G-forces of the plane tell my ear and the rest of my body that "down" is the bottom of the plane. This makes me sick in very short order. Boats get to me after a while too, though I have never taken a long cruise. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 I think that may be because the train stays on the same track / level and doesn't bounce around like a boat, a plane in turbulence, or a car making various turns. I wonder what it's like for astronauts? :-o Inger Re: Re: NEUROfest I can't read or do other things in the car either. Oddly though I can usually read on the train, but trying to read, even a map, in a car or plane is instant motion sickness. Quote
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 In a message dated 1/18/2006 6:57:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, inglori@... writes: I think that may be because the train stays on the same track / level and doesn't bounce around like a boat, a plane in turbulence, or a car making various turns. I wonder what it's like for astronauts? :-o Inger You haven't ridden an American train. Most of them use freight rails and the ride can be rough in places. However, the movement does tend to be smoother and more regular than what you feel in the car. Yes, most astronauts do get sick. It is called space sickness and is caused by the inner ear no longer having a gravity reference. It takes several days to get over, though a few it takes longer for. Quote
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