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Great post! I don't sense any ill emotion in this. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that one or the other is a "complete" placebo, or acts completely like a placebo. Rather that some of the effects of both might be attributed to teh placebo effect. Mind-body is another great topic. But just as some hipno-therapists have been charged with misuse of their suggestive powers, and as I've often stated that ALL medicines should be used only under expert supervision, the mind's power can also be very distructive, as so too one should be guided by an expert. How to find an expert in such a crazy field??? Free reading at the library. I very much like Bernie Siegal, but you may make your own choices. Let us know what you find interesting. Eat well, sleep well, be well! Rath <kdrath@...> wrote: If its a complete placebo affect then why do theherbalists and western drug companies need to cash inon this? can't we learn to do our own mind body thingand make it work? why does it matter b/c everyone saysin this forum that its about money- don't pay someonefor your mind to work- that should be for free--- Jackie on wrote:> Yep,, , I have, in my studies been reading> about the "placebo" effect and the thing that is so> amazing is that when the person believes that> something IS going to cure them,, it usually does,,> there IS a mind-body connection.. They have even> seen the placebo effect with new allopathic meds as> well,, typically the BEST results are seen within> the first several months after a drug is released,,> then in time,, they lose their effects,, and that> makes me wonder if some of

the allopathic drugs are> a placebo effect too,, but who cares,, I mean ,, if> it works, who cares,, > I truely hope they do more studies in this area,,> as placebo have no side effects and are not harmful> as apposed to many other drugs and treatments that> ARE harmful...> I really like Dr. Weil as he is an MD who has> integrated some eastern meds into his practice and> has seen some pretty remarkable things... > Keep believing and WHO cares if someone "says" it> wont work,, if it did, it did,, and phooey on them,,> > hugs> jax> > Hunter wrote:> I really don't want to argue with anyone,> especially when I know I'm outmatched. I did> respond. Hopefully in a civil manner. But as I> started to read that, the first thing I noticed was> that it was a 2 and a half year old story... if I'd> read that when it

came out, and believed it, perhaps> I'd have stopped taking the Chinese herbals, and> just accepted death like the US doctors advised.> Fate had me somewhat out of touch with the drug> industry's news. Thank the fates!> Chris> Eat well, sleep well, be well!> > anne wrote:> I think our is going to have> something to say about this one!!!!> > anne> (putting up her fireproof shield)> There is no proof> that herbal remedies help hepatitis C sufferers> > >http://www.usnews.com/usnews/health/briefs/infectiousdiseases/hb040917> c.htm?track=rss> 9/17/04> Chinese herbs> There is no proof that herbal remedies

help> hepatitis C sufferers> By Helen Fields> > Not everyone can tolerate the side effects of> interferon, the > standard treatment for hepatitis C. That leaves a> lot of hepatitis C > carriers stuck with fatigue and a less healthy life,> which has led > many to try herbal treatments. But the data on herbs> are > inconclusive. A group of Minnesota researchers tried> out some > traditional Chinese herbal medicines that are used> extensively in > Asia to treat hepatitis C.> > What the researchers wanted to know: Do Chinese> herbal medicines help > hepatitis C patients?> > What they did: The researchers recruited patients> through clinics and > advertising. Patients were excluded if they'd had> antiviral treatment > recently, if they had other liver disease, or if> they consumed more > than

two alcoholic drinks a day. Forty-five patients> entered the > study, and 31 made it all the way through the> follow-up visits. Half > the subjects took a combination of 10 traditional> Chinese herbs and > the other 10 took a placebo; no one knew whether a> patient was > getting the herbs or the placebo. Both groups took> the tablets twice > a day for 12 weeks. At several office visits, the> participants were > asked how they were doing and had blood taken to> check on their liver > and kidneys.> > What they found: The herbal medicines were no> different from the > placebo. Liver function was the same in people> taking herbs and > placebo. Neither group had less virus at the end of> the trial, and > quality of life showed no improvement, either. Side> effects were > mild, and there were about the same number in

the> two groups.> > What it means to you: The evidence on using herbs> for hepatitis C is > still shaky.> > Caveats: This is a very small pilot study. Most of> the subjects were > middle-aged, white, and male, so the results might> not apply to > others.> > Find out more: Information on Radix astragali, one> of the 10 herbs in > this study, from a database of Chinese herbs > http://www.herbasin.com/database/huangqi.htm > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a> breeze. > > It's a pleasure having you join in our> conversations. We hope you have found the support> you need with us. > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy> access to our group, just click the link-->

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