Re: & Kit and others who may know.

[Guest guest]

Hello,

First of all, I would suggest that your insistence on eating foods in

their natural form appears to be a barrier for you.

I would suggest at least trying the Myoplex shakes.

Also, for protein, I would suggest either the Precision Protein

powder or the Simply Protein powder. Precision Protein has a lot

vitamins added to it, whereas the Simply Protein is just... simply

protein. Plus stevia, I think. I mix that with my oatmeal in the

morning and hardly notice it.

As far as how much protein, generally you want to aim for about 1g

per pound of bodyweight. More is better than less, but not too much

more. Though I doubt that is a problem for most people.

In fact, one of my favorite simple meals is an apple and a protein

drink -- one scoop of Precision Protein mixed with about 8-10 ounces

of water.

Scully

[Guest guest]

Hey Amie,

I have to say that even I found it hard to consume the 6 meals a day

required in the first 3 challenges I did. I found that it just doesn't suit

me. Even though I could only stomach 4-6 meals a day. I was still consuming

220-250grams of protein per day. In my first challenge I managed to lose

29lbs of fat and gain 11lbs of muscle and during that challenge I struggled

trying to reach the 6 meals a day at least 4 days a week. During my 2nd

challenge I wasn't quite as strict and the results reflected it, I lost about

21lbs of fat and gained 8lbs of muscle. It was a tough struggle for me, and

like you, I just finished day 2 of the challenge I have started this year.

Although I have to say this year I am training completely different. I wanted

to get as thin as possible last time and managed to reach 7.8% bodyfat. This

time I'm going back to the weight training that I used to do 4 years ago and

tweaking it to make things different and keep them interesting for me. I'm

going to eat healthy this challenge but I am dropping the shakes completely.

I am going to experiment and see how well I can do with solid food proteins.

I know I will hate the prep time for my meals.

All I can suggest to you is whatever you do, make it fun, make it yours!!!

Make it anything you have to to keep you into it!

Best of Luck to you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

" Sarge "

[Guest guest]

I 2nd what says here. Add the Precision Protein to the limited

amount of shakes you do drink. They bump up the protein content of each shake

by approx 20grams.

Thanks

I LOVE THE KNOWLEDGE EVERYONE BRINGS TO THIS GROUP!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

Amie, I dont have the wealth of knowledge that kit, taz, and others have, but

I do know it takes protein to build muscle. Depending on what type of carb

you are referring to, carbs essentially convert into sugar once digested. Is

that what you want? I guess I dont get it when people say they want to loose

35#s but dont want to change their old ways of eating and lifestyle that

helped to pack on the extra 35#s. You have to " cross the abyss " (you can

read about that in the BFL book) and really be ready for a lifestyle change

to make this happen. They say that the definition of insanity is doing the

same thing over and over and expecting different results.........you have to

want this bad Amie. Change is usually difficult for lots of folks, but you

can do it!

[Guest guest]

--In the following detailed post, I respond to Amie’s

(amelia.malandrino@...) concerns about:

1) the challenge of eating protein and carbohydrate meals six times per day;

2) her suggestion of a different strategy for the achievement of fat loss;

3) snacking between meals;

4) targeting fat loss while avoiding muscle gain;

5) MRPs (Meal Replacement Powders) vs. eating whole food.

I have included headings within this post to organize the information so that

anyone who wishes to scroll to one part or another, can. Also, I’ve copied

and pasted Amie’s post, to which this responds, toward the bottom of this

message.--

Hi Amie!

I realize that you’ve run into a bit of a challenge with the program, and I

applaud you for voicing your concerns to the group. It takes courage to do

that. So, even though you may be feeling a little discouraged about a

setback, you’ve done the right thing by asking questions and seeking help.

You’ve mentioned that you feel stronger with regard to the working out than

you do with regard to the eating. It’s good to be able to honestly identify

the areas in which you feel strongest, and the areas in which you think you

will have the most difficulty. That’s a major part of making things go in a

positive direction.

1. Protein and Carbohydrate in Every Meal

a. The Initial Challenge of Eating this Way

You write that you find it very difficult to eat as much protein as the BFL

program calls for.

First, let me say that you aren’t alone, since countless people report that

they have difficulty with this - at first. But countless people have stuck

with it until they became accustomed to it. In remarks I posted yesterday, I

pointed to the inspirational example of this bodyforlife egroup’s own member,

Cheryl Cundick. (There are several other inspiring people in this group, of

course. I’m mentioning her specifically now because I think her inspiration

will help you.) I urge you to visit www.bodychangers.com; click “The

Interviews;†click “Page 2;†then click “See Cheryl’s Most Recent

Trans

formation Pictures.†After getting that jolt of inspiration, click

either “Listen to the Interview†or “Read the Interview Transcript.†One

of

the questions Bob Doyle asks Cheryl is: was it difficult at first to eat six

meals per day like that? Her answer (in part): she had to force herself at

first. But in time, it became quite natural.

My point is: don’t assume, just because it feels especially strange at first,

that it will *always* feel this way. If you truly have made the decision to

make a change, you have to be willing to embrace change. To truly embrace

change, you have to embrace new challenges. I guarantee that it won’t all be

easy. If it were, we all would already have the bodies of our dreams.

Achieving a great transformation requires a new approach - one different than

what one is used to.

b. Some Benefits of Eating 6, Protein and Carb Balanced Meals

Consider some of the benefits of six, protein and carbohydrate balanced meals:

i. increased metabolism (which yields faster fat burning)

ii. a more level secretion of insulin throughout the day (which helps control

hunger, tends to yield a more balanced mood, assists in replenishing

nutrients that will speed recovery after exercise and tends to make one feel

more energetic throughout the day)

iii. specifically better recovery for the muscles after weight training

exercise, given the presence of an appropriate level of protein in the diet

This is a terrific array of benefits, one well worth shooting for. Again, it

takes some time to get used to eating this way, but it’s critical to the

program’s effectiveness.

c. Feeling that You Just Can’t Eat Protein with Every Meal

Despite these benefits, you may still feel that you just can’t eat like this.

I suggest you review the part of the book, *Body-for-LIFE,* in which Bill

talks about “Transforming Patterns of Action†(pages 29-30). One of the

realities of habits is that they feel natural, like what we “need†to do -

whether they are healthy or not. To break old habits and establish new ones

requires breaking out of one’s comfort zone. That’s difficult. But as that

section of the book details, in as little as *four weeks* it’s possible to

replace an unhealthy habit with a healthy one.

If you have made the decision to change, you *can* change your eating habits,

too. But you have to be willing to persist through some discomfort initially,

to grab that brass ring of a new, healthy habit. You must adopt the attitude

of: “I will do whatever it takes to make this transformation.†Again: that

interview with Cheryl that I mentioned will go far in offering advice on this.

Human beings are amazing creatures, if you think about it - capable of so

much wonder and growth. You are a human being, Amie, and so I know you have

that extraordinary potential in you. You can replace the “I can’tâ€

attitude

with the “I can.†Making that change, I believe, is critical to being able

to complete a successful transformation.

2. Striving to Lose Fat with More Carbs, Less Protein, and Vigorous Exercise

It sounds as though what you would like to do, is to try eating two protein

and carbohydrate balanced meals, then have four meals that are largely carbs

- plus fruits and vegetables for snacks in between.

I have “good news and bad news†on this subject - which really is all good

news, if you learn to look at it the right way. :-)

First for the “bad news.â€

I honestly don’t believe that you will succeed eating that way. One reason is

this. The alternative plan you offer will not nourish the body the way it

needs to be nourished on this program. You need those frequent protein

feedings in order to support muscle recovery. I know you feel that fat loss

needs to be your primary target. But for reasons I will offer later in this

post, if fat loss is your goal with BFL, you have to respect the power of

your muscles to get you there.

Another thing is, emphasizing all those carbs will throw your insulin into

peaks and valleys that are the perfect prescription for experiencing sudden

hunger - and spiralling into overeating. That’s just what you’ve said that

you want to avoid.

Based on what you’ve said, I suspect that like many people who’ve tried and

failed with various diets, that you have developed a very strong longing for

carbs. That’s common - but for BFL to work for you, you will need to work

with your body to establish new, different, healthier patterns.

You are right that many nutritionists advocate obtaining a lower percentage

of one’s calories from protein sources. Aside from the fact that there are

many different opinions on these subjects, many of the nutritionists to whom

you refer are assuming a sedentary, rather than active, lifestyle in making

their recommendations. The intense strength training which is essential to

BFL requires that more of one’s calories be provided in the form of protein

in order to support the rebuilding of muscle. Muscle has to recover from the

the stress of such training, and a lack of protein is a bad thing in such a

situation.

Here it’s wise to remember a principle central to *any* wisely constructed

exercise and nutrition program: context is all important. BFL is not an

accidental collection of elements, but an integrated program. The various

elements are intended to mutually support each other. BFL is not about goal

setting in isolation; nutrition in isolation; or training in isolation. It’s

about balancing these elements in a manner that makes sense *in combination.*

The fact that it is so well integrated is one of the “secrets†of the

dramatic transformations that it makes possible.

I like to think that some of the “bad news†has already sounded “good†-

but just in case it hasn’t, here’s some of the “good news†that I

promised.

:-)

You’ve mentioned that you’ve tried various diets and failed. BFL is

different. The overwhelming majority of “diets†we hear about are actually

quick fixes. They are gimmicks. And they cause more harm than good in the

long run. The Eating-for-LIFE method actually is *not* a diet. It’s “for

life.†In time, you certainly *can* learn to eat the BFL way. Eating-for-LIFE

is not a temporary starvation technique that you can only maintain for a

short while, only to gain back more fat than you lost in the first place.

It’s a collection of healthy, sustainable habits. Again, the new pattern will

take getting used to. But you can do it, Amie! I have every confidence.

Also remember that each week, the Free Day gives you that “safety valve†to

let you indulge your cravings. Again, notice that balance is central to the

BFL approach. You can eat whatever you want - provided you limit it to that

one day.

3. Snacking Between Meals

One piece of good news, is that although I can’t endorse all your ideas

regarding how to customize your eating - you might be surprised by how many

of your preferences can be taken into account in putting your meal plans

together.

For example: as long as you take them from the Authorized Food list (see the

chart on page 83), you can eat as many vegetables each day as you want. (Bill

endorses this approach in the audio cassette version of the book.)

This is because those vegetables are low enough in calories, fat and carbs

that they can serve as “snacks†or “extras†without upsetting the

balance

of your overall nutrition. This is one way in which you can make the

transition from your existing eating preferences, to your new way of eating.

4. Targeting Fat Loss While Avoiding Muscle Gain

I think by now I’ve clarified why I believe that you won’t obtain BFL-scale

results, by altering the Eating-for-LIFE method.

But you’ve also said that you want to lose fat without gaining much more

muscle.

Here, I recommend re-reading Bill’s discussion of the following myth (page

37): “If women lift weights, they’ll get bulky.†The key point is this:

“fat takes up five times as much space as muscle.†In other words, if you

lose five pounds of fat and gain five pounds of muscle, you will be smaller,

not larger. Furthermore: you will be firmer and shapelier. Another benefit:

that added muscle requires more metabolic activity to grow and maintain, than

maintaining the fat does - which will help you burn the fat and keep it off.

My experience is that women *and even men* who have significant fat to lose,

initially get smaller on this program. If the men persist in their efforts,

they can get visibly bigger muscles in time of course. But usually, even

though they are adding lean mass, their size decreases before it increases.

With women, because of hormonal differences, provided they aren’t using

banned drugs (which aren’t part of the program, anyway), they won’t end up

adding “bulky†muscles.

5. MRPs (Meal Replacement Powders) vs. Eating Whole Food

I have some more “good news†for you, Amie! :-)

If you really want to, you can skip the MRPs altogether and just eat whole

food. If you do this, you can have a piece of fruit with every meal. That’s

six meals with fruit per day!

If you don’t like the idea of eating a whole food *protein* portion with each

of those meals, perhaps you will consider a compromise. Three of those meals

could involve whole food, and the other three could include a serving of

Protein Powder, such as EAS Simply Protein, with your piece of fruit.

I know you say that you want to eat foods that are as “close to nature†as

possible. Here, I want to get on my soap box for just a moment. :-)

I advocate eating the healthiest foods and adopting the healthiest practices

possible. But I’m troubled by the “natural vs. artificial†distinction

that

some people try to use in order to determine what’s healthy for them or not.

The truth is, some of the most toxic substances, such as lead, are perfectly

natural. And some of the most dramatically life-saving substances are human

inventions (as are many medicines that save lives). The reality is: some

natural substances are wonderfully healthy, some are toxic; some artificial

substances are wonderfully healthy, some are toxic. And even all artificial

substances are made - ultimately - from natural materials. Those

“artificial†substances weren’t made with a magic wand, after all; they

were

made by creatively combining stuff that already existed in nature. As

paradoxical as it sounds, the healthiest “natural, whole-wheat bread†is, in

a very real sense, *artificial.* It’s very different than the “naturalâ€

stuff from which it was made - and human beings played an incredibly active

role in every step of making it what it is.

To me, then, the proper question to ask about a food, is not whether it’s

“all natural†or “contains something artificial†- but whether it is

healthy. That in itself is not always an easy question to answer. But using

good evidence, weighing expert advice carefully, and making our own, informed

decisions - I think it’s quite possible to do.

It’s through this process that my wife and I have concluded that such a

product as Simply Protein is actually an extremely healthy one to consume.

And if you give it a try - you might be surprised to find that it’s a

convenient way for you to get your protein with three of your meals.

Conclusion

Amie, I think it’s terrific that you’ve started on your BFL journey - and I

really hope you stick with it! You have a great opportunity here to break out

of old habits, establish new ones, and achieve, not just a better body, but a

better life. But the achievement of such goals will require the adoption of

new thinking, new ideas and new habits. You can do it, if you just combine an

absolute decision to make a change with a commitment to achieving your goals.

I hope that helps!

Energetically,

In a message dated 1/17/01 12:03:52 AM, amelia.malandrino@... writes:

<<Hi,

Tuesday evening I stuffed up..big time.

It was my second day on this round but I have tried the challenge previously

and lasted only about 2 weeks.

It's not the working out that is a problem, I can do that no sweat (or

should I say buckets of sweat), I mean the working out part I can live with

no problem but it's the diet I find I can't live with.

I find it very difficult to eat as much protein as is suggested in EVERY

meal. Sure, I find it easy to include protein in 2 of my daily meals but not

6, It makes me feel heavy and a bit blocked if you know what I mean. I just

don't think I can live that way and am not sure if I want to.

I like to eat lots of fruit and vegetables and non processed foods and I

feel like my stomach is too heavy to fit those vitamin rich healthy foods in

my daily diet after having protein 6 x per day.

Could or Kit voice their opinions (or anyone else who may have some

knowledge) on whether I could still get good fat loss results if I dropped

the protein to say about 50% that is recommended and made up for it with

about 50% more carbs. I just don't think I can go on " for life " eating

strictly BFL way. Between meals I like to eat FRESH fruit as it makes me

feel light and energetic. When I add protein to that I feel yuck and heavy.

The reason I am fat is from all the trying and failing of diets, then

feeling like " oh stuff it " and over eating until the next time I start a

program. I just can't seem to last on them. I just want to eat healthy good

for you foods with not so much protein. Nutritionists etc say that 15-20% of

daily requirements should come from protein. This is what I could and can

live with. Fat loss is my main concern, I want to get rid of about 35lbs and

I'll be sweet. I don't want to gain much more muscle as I am strong and feel

firm underneath the layers. I just want those layers to peel off my already

muscluar body which is hiding underneath. I need to be set free from this

protein issue. P.S. I won't even think about a Meal Replacement shake as I

like to eat things as close to nature as possible. Oh exept when I have

stuffed up and then everything goes out the window. It's

[Guest guest]

Kit, how come you can always say it so much better than me? I'll work on my

delivery . Hey, btw, I finally was able to find in my documents where your

pics were " hidden " . Kit, I love it!! You are definitely practicing what you

preach brother!

[Guest guest]

Wowee , what a reply! You are another of our truly great gems on this board. I have printed out your post to re-read. Here's a question for you: my hubby isn't interested in doing another Challenge with me, which is a pity because we really motivated each other in the past. However, I still try, as best I can, to make up his meals in the BFL way and encourage him to eat small meals often. Do you think that this will help him lose weight or do you think it is silly to isolate the nutrition part and expect any results?

Admittedly, just losing weight is his only goal...I know, I know...all about throwing the scale out but he's a man on a mission. Like so many people on these boards, I'd like him to SEE for himself that combining all the element of the program is still the only way. I don't wan't to put pressure on him to change his mind (or his body) but I do want to be of as much help to him as possible. What's your thought on this? All the best, and thanks again for all your wisdom, Leaner.

[Guest guest]

Amie, I believe your feelings are very real, so don't take this wrong. It

appears that what you are doing is equating fruit and veggies with good and

light and protein with bad and heavy. From a nutritional standpoint you

could probably drop the protein by 30-40%, say to about 30% of your caloric

intake. What you need to listen to are nutritionists that are familiar with

the demands of weight training and aerobics. On a relatively less intense

program where you are not building and thereafter maintaining muscle which

helps to keep the fat off forever, the protein requirements are less. That

said I have read of Clarence Bass's experience and his protein intake was

carefully measured and documented at 28% and he was very muscular and lean.

In my opinion, he was very close to the lower limit of a successful range

and was very disciplined about his daily intake.

Even if you feel you can't do it long term I would try to get through the

full twelve weeks and reevaluate and experiment with your next round. In

the meantime I would recommend backing off your portions just slightly and

not eliminating protein from any meal. A higher fiber diet may help with

the fullness feeling. Oatmeal is a great source of fiber. Cottage cheese

is a great source of protein that can be measured which would allow you to

back off slightly without eliminating entirely and you can add your favorite

fruit for fiber and lightness.

I know you are saying you don't want to use meal replacements and want whole

foods instead. You can however " hide " protein powder in oatmeal or have a

glass of water or milk with protein powder in it to avoid more meals with

heavier meat sources. Seafood also helps to reduce feelings of heaviness.

I suspect that part of the concern stems from not being accustomed to the

style of nutrition, part from how you actually feel and part comes from what

you have been taught by the world and your personal experiences regarding

what is " healthy " . If you have lived your life with fewer meals, much less

protein and much more carbs you naturally will feel this type of nutrition

is foreign and if you've heard for years that fruit and veggies are healthy

and meats will kill you (saturated fats and all that), then you develop

biases that are supported by your feelings. You link protein and how you

feel after eating protein with bad and fruits and veggies and how you feel

after eating them with good. Part of the nutrition side and this system is

to reprogram you with Authorized lists, portions and the training so that as

you get positive results you will link it to the behavior changes.

I urge to stay as close to the design of the program as possible your first

round because then you will have developed some new habits and control over

your nutrition and then with those skills you can more successfully tweak

and compare results. If you make a radical change now, such as drop your

protein in half it can change your insulin response. You might be

successful and might not. If not you may give up on the program as one of

the many diets that don't work.

Just a caution. That said. Theoretically with total control and a lot of

discipline you could be successful by dropping the percentage of protein in

the diet and increasing the carbs. Going to straight carb snacks instead of

meals is planning for a " train wreck " in my opinion.

Just some thoughts. Were here to support regardless of your decision. All

the best! Kit

[Guest guest]

>

> I bought Myoplex Lite for $23 for 20 packs.

>

>Glenda

>

Wow, it costs me $74 in Canadian dollars to buy the 20 pack of Myoplex Lite.

[Guest guest]

Excellent advice.

[Guest guest]

Those products don't have the right mix of ingredients. Try getting a good

protein powder and mixing with water or skim milk and fruit in a blender for

a cheap meal replacement. or use whole foods

[Guest guest]

Hi !

First, thank you for all your kind words about my comments. You have no idea

how much I appreciate them today! :-)

Second, you have a question, and I will do my level best to answer!

You wrote:

<<my hubby isn't interested in doing another Challenge with me, which is a

pity because we really motivated each other in the past.>>

It's terrific to do the Challenge as a couple, isn't it? I'm sorry that he

feels that way this time.

<<However, I still try, as best I can, to make up his meals in the BFL way

and encourage him to eat small meals often. Do you think that this will help

him lose weight or do you think it is silly to isolate the nutrition part and

expect any results?>>

Of course I think it would be better for him to do the whole program. :-) But

I also think that it's probably far healthier for him to eat the BFL way,

than it would be to eat any number of other ways that are fashionable. So I

don't think you're being silly at all. :-) In fact, I've been " coaching " my

mom lately, and she's been eating - and feeling - far better as a result.

Gradually, I've been setting exercise goals with her. These are quite modest

to start. But step by step, she is moving in the right direction. :-) I don't

know what percentage of the program she will adopt eventually, but she has

read (and really enjoyed) the book. And her health habits are already so

superior to what they were, that I'm overjoyed. My hope is that with patience

and experience she will learn for herself that the program as a total is the

right thing to do. But I expect that to be a gradual process.

As a matter of principle, I think encouraging people in positive directions

is a good thing. Sometimes, in our eagerness, we can inadvertently come

across as " pushy " by " demanding " too much, too quickly. I have found that

sometimes, a " baby steps " approach, such as I'm taking with my mom, works

well.

I should mention that in my mom's case, overwhelmingly what got her

interested was the positive changes that she could see in my wife and me. My

mom was so impressed by our October " After " pictures that she brought them to

a Christmas party at my grandparents' house - and awed several of my

relatives! (Sadly, Cherita and I weren't able to be with them this year.) My

point being: don't lose hope. By setting a good example, you will enhance the

odds that your husband will rejoin you in your mission.

Whether your husband can lose weight eating this way without following the

other parts of the program will depend on how much he is eating and whether

he gets any exercise at all. If his portions are just the right size,

depending on how eating the BFL way compares to the way he was eating

previously, and depending on his present, physical condition he might still

lose weight. Of course, the exercise would make things go *far* faster.

That's how I see it, anyway. :-)

Best of fortune to you in making a spectacular transformation! My hope is

that your husband will be so floored by your progress that he he will want to

jump right back into the *whole* program with you. :-)

Encouragingly,

In a message dated 1/17/01 5:22:56 PM, eljayef@... writes:

<< Wowee , what a reply! You are another of our truly great gems on

this

board. I have printed out your post to re-read. Here's a question for you:

my hubby isn't interested in doing another Challenge with me, which is a pity

because we really motivated each other in the past. However, I still try, as

best I can, to make up his meals in the BFL way and encourage him to eat

small meals often. Do you think that this will help him lose weight or do

you think it is silly to isolate the nutrition part and expect any results?

Admittedly, just losing weight is his only goal...I know, I know...all about

throwing the scale out but he's a man on a mission. Like so many people on

these boards, I'd like him to SEE for himself that combining all the element

of the program is still the only way. I don't wan't to put pressure on him

to change his mind (or his body) but I do want to be of as much help to him

as possible. What's your thought on this? All the best, and thanks again

for all your wisdom, Leaner. >>

---

FMBC: Fitness and the Mind-Body Connection

an unofficial Transformation Support site

and " on ramp " for Body-for-LIFE

by and Cherita Axel

http://fitmind.home.mindspring.com

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about Milo, but I know Ensure does not have enough protein and too much sugar.

Cheryl C.

[Guest guest]

thank you Cheryl C.

I just brought Milo, and they said it great to drink!

Have you tried it before?

>From: " Cheryl Cundick " <cdautah1@...>

>Reply-bodyforlifeegroups

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>Subject: Re: & Kit and others who may know.

>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:27:14 -0700

>

>I'm not sure about Milo, but I know Ensure does not have enough protein and

>too much sugar.

>

>Cheryl C.

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[Guest guest]

What about fiber,no one ever talks about fiber and Fiber is very imporatant

for cleasing your system.

>From: " Cheryl Cundick " <cdautah1@...>

>Reply-bodyforlifeegroups

><bodyforlifeegroups>

>Subject: Re: & Kit and others who may know.

>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 13:27:14 -0700

>

>I'm not sure about Milo, but I know Ensure does not have enough protein and

>too much sugar.

>

>Cheryl C.

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[Guest guest]

The more fiber you get in the fruit and veggies and carbs the better. Fiber

is indigestible. It helps move everything through the gastrointestinal

tract and thus lowers incidence of colon cancer. It also helps prevent

constipation which is important when you have this much protein.

[Guest guest]

All I can say is that it is absolutely true that you will get the

hang of it. This is my third week, and the whole program, especially

the eating, KICKED MY A** last week.

But who's laughing now? (Heehee!)

[Guest guest]

I would say, check your budget again and see what you can change. Re-

prioritize. Also, look around for good prices online, or check out

Nutripeak on West 15th Street between 7th and 8th Avenues (you're in

NYC, right?).

Or, just go with the protein drinks as suggested. You can do basic

whole foods for cheap on this program. And if you don't get Myoplex,

I would strongly recommend a multivitamin, like EAS MultiBlend.

I've decided that THE two supplements to have are protein powder and

multivitamin. Myoplex is great, but doesn't even need to be your

first priority.

>

> I can't afford Mplx.

>

> What about if I use Milo or ensure?

[Guest guest]

Good for you Mike...you fall down...you pick yourself up, as soon as

possible....that is the key....smile....failure is inevitable...but the

speed in which you get back up.....that's all that needs to be mastered to

make BFL a success and you.....a champion.....smile ...and if you learn

something in the progress.....shoot...that's an added bonus...smile

Z....going stronger still....the tight jeans now fit with no fuss...smile...

[Guest guest]

Wowee , what a reply!  You are another of our truly great gems on this board.  I have printed out your post to re-read.  Here's a question for you: my hubby isn't interested in doing another Challenge with me, which is a pity because we really motivated each other in the past.  However, I still try, as best I can, to make up his meals in the BFL way and encourage him to eat small meals often.  Do you think that this will help him lose weight or do you think it is silly to isolate the nutrition part and expect any results?  Admittedly, just losing weight is his only goal...I know, I know...all about throwing the scale out but he's a man on a mission.  Like so many people on these boards, I'd like him to SEE for himself that combining all the element of the program is still the only way.  I don't wan't to put pressure on him to change his mind (or his body) but I do want to be of as much help to him as possible.  What's your thought on this?  All the best, and thanks again for all your wisdom, Leaner.

[Guest guest]

Let's see...that would be broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage and Brussels

sprouts?

Re: & Kit and others who may know.

You get fiber in the cruciferous vegetables you eat each day.

Glenda

[Guest guest]

Z, On to the next pair of tight jeans. Congratulations! Kit

[Guest guest]

Well, wouldn't that be the entire authorized list of fibrous veggies?

> Let's see...that would be broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage and

Brussels

> sprouts?

>

> Re: & Kit and others who may know.

>

>

> You get fiber in the cruciferous vegetables you eat each day.

>

> Glenda

[Guest guest]

Yeah baby.....that's where I'm going......smile Z

[Guest guest]

Amelia...do what works for you...you don't like all the protein....try it

your way...see how you feel...ie see if you get tired, moods, fat loss, etc

etc....give yourself some time....

You talk of being blocked....try making your carbs more veggie/fruit, more

so than breads and pastas...

In the end...you know what is going to work for you....Trust yourself

first.....smile Z and go on with your bad self....