Introduction

[Guest guest]

Oh, I hope it's not too bad Melody, casts are no fun! I bet she's enjoying

having you do the washing though. Allie tried for years to get out of doing

her own hair when ever she could. At least now she finally gets it done with

no drama! My Allie is 13, will be 14 in June.

Thank goodness for Hollywood! She taught Allie [as though I hadn't said it

I-don't-know-how-many-times, LOL] to use a glop of shampoo in her palm the

size of a quarter and then lather it up.

In the last few weeks, some of the girls at school have taken an interest in

helping Allie dress more in-tune with them. I'm so excited, because they're

getting her to do all the things I've been trying to get her to try for

Years [sneakers/plain jeans/t-shirts/not wearing her nicest clothes every day]!

I'm happy as a clam, with a small occasional bout of - " Grrrr, I'VE been

telling her that for ever - but would she listen to Mom?! "

Sandi :-)

In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:08:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,

mkalomiris@... writes:

Hello sandi:

You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't

need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see

how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured

her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you

for the suggestion.

I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking

their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie?

Regards, melody

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[Guest guest]

Oh, I hope it's not too bad Melody, casts are no fun! I bet she's enjoying

having you do the washing though. Allie tried for years to get out of doing

her own hair when ever she could. At least now she finally gets it done with

no drama! My Allie is 13, will be 14 in June.

Thank goodness for Hollywood! She taught Allie [as though I hadn't said it

I-don't-know-how-many-times, LOL] to use a glop of shampoo in her palm the

size of a quarter and then lather it up.

In the last few weeks, some of the girls at school have taken an interest in

helping Allie dress more in-tune with them. I'm so excited, because they're

getting her to do all the things I've been trying to get her to try for

Years [sneakers/plain jeans/t-shirts/not wearing her nicest clothes every day]!

I'm happy as a clam, with a small occasional bout of - " Grrrr, I'VE been

telling her that for ever - but would she listen to Mom?! "

Sandi :-)

In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:08:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,

mkalomiris@... writes:

Hello sandi:

You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't

need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see

how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured

her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you

for the suggestion.

I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking

their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie?

Regards, melody

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[Guest guest]

Oh, I hope it's not too bad Melody, casts are no fun! I bet she's enjoying

having you do the washing though. Allie tried for years to get out of doing

her own hair when ever she could. At least now she finally gets it done with

no drama! My Allie is 13, will be 14 in June.

Thank goodness for Hollywood! She taught Allie [as though I hadn't said it

I-don't-know-how-many-times, LOL] to use a glop of shampoo in her palm the

size of a quarter and then lather it up.

In the last few weeks, some of the girls at school have taken an interest in

helping Allie dress more in-tune with them. I'm so excited, because they're

getting her to do all the things I've been trying to get her to try for

Years [sneakers/plain jeans/t-shirts/not wearing her nicest clothes every day]!

I'm happy as a clam, with a small occasional bout of - " Grrrr, I'VE been

telling her that for ever - but would she listen to Mom?! "

Sandi :-)

In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:08:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,

mkalomiris@... writes:

Hello sandi:

You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't

need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see

how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured

her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you

for the suggestion.

I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking

their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie?

Regards, melody

**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy

steps!

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[Guest guest]

Hello sandi:

You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't

need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see

how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured

her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you

for the suggestion.

I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking

their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie?

Regards, melody

From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

[mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of

D22@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:36 PM

To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

Subject: Re: Re: introduction

Hi Melody,

This rang a bell with me. I've always had problems with the " how much to

help " question. We recently had a breakthrough on the hair washing. After 4

years of myself trying encouragement and hands off guidance for my dd

regarding her hair washing, her new hair stylist at TGF said what were

apparently the

magic words and suddenly Allie's hair looks and smells shiny and clean for

days!

Ms. Hollywood told Allie she couldn't just put a glop of shampoo in her hand

and spread it around. She needs to smear it all over the inside of both

hands and then work up a bit of lather. Then when she works her lather

through

her hair it gets spread around enough to get her whole head clean. She also

backed me up on not needing huge handfuls of shampoo to get the job done.

Allie looks so much better now, and I'm a happy mom! Thank goodness for Ms.

Hollywood, 'cause Allie has reached that age when nothing I say matters as

much as what anyone else says! :-)

Sandi

In a message dated 3/2/2009 12:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

mkalomiris@... <mailto:mkalomiris%40comcast.net> writes:

another trick to me is helping the right amount. independence versus

helping. for instance she cannot shampoo her hair properly, and her

hair looks oily by the end of the day. we have tried different

shampoos and i have showed her how to do this, but she doesn't get

it. i " treat " her to me shampooing her hair and then her hair stays

clean longer, but i felt this may be too much pampering. but i have

read recently that this could be an OT issue.

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[Guest guest]

Hello sandi:

You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't

need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see

how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured

her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you

for the suggestion.

I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking

their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie?

Regards, melody

From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

[mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of

D22@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:36 PM

To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

Subject: Re: Re: introduction

Hi Melody,

This rang a bell with me. I've always had problems with the " how much to

help " question. We recently had a breakthrough on the hair washing. After 4

years of myself trying encouragement and hands off guidance for my dd

regarding her hair washing, her new hair stylist at TGF said what were

apparently the

magic words and suddenly Allie's hair looks and smells shiny and clean for

days!

Ms. Hollywood told Allie she couldn't just put a glop of shampoo in her hand

and spread it around. She needs to smear it all over the inside of both

hands and then work up a bit of lather. Then when she works her lather

through

her hair it gets spread around enough to get her whole head clean. She also

backed me up on not needing huge handfuls of shampoo to get the job done.

Allie looks so much better now, and I'm a happy mom! Thank goodness for Ms.

Hollywood, 'cause Allie has reached that age when nothing I say matters as

much as what anyone else says! :-)

Sandi

In a message dated 3/2/2009 12:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

mkalomiris@... <mailto:mkalomiris%40comcast.net> writes:

another trick to me is helping the right amount. independence versus

helping. for instance she cannot shampoo her hair properly, and her

hair looks oily by the end of the day. we have tried different

shampoos and i have showed her how to do this, but she doesn't get

it. i " treat " her to me shampooing her hair and then her hair stays

clean longer, but i felt this may be too much pampering. but i have

read recently that this could be an OT issue.

**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy

steps!

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[Guest guest]

Hello sandi:

You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't

need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see

how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured

her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you

for the suggestion.

I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking

their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie?

Regards, melody

From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

[mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of

D22@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:36 PM

To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

Subject: Re: Re: introduction

Hi Melody,

This rang a bell with me. I've always had problems with the " how much to

help " question. We recently had a breakthrough on the hair washing. After 4

years of myself trying encouragement and hands off guidance for my dd

regarding her hair washing, her new hair stylist at TGF said what were

apparently the

magic words and suddenly Allie's hair looks and smells shiny and clean for

days!

Ms. Hollywood told Allie she couldn't just put a glop of shampoo in her hand

and spread it around. She needs to smear it all over the inside of both

hands and then work up a bit of lather. Then when she works her lather

through

her hair it gets spread around enough to get her whole head clean. She also

backed me up on not needing huge handfuls of shampoo to get the job done.

Allie looks so much better now, and I'm a happy mom! Thank goodness for Ms.

Hollywood, 'cause Allie has reached that age when nothing I say matters as

much as what anyone else says! :-)

Sandi

In a message dated 3/2/2009 12:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,

mkalomiris@... <mailto:mkalomiris%40comcast.net> writes:

another trick to me is helping the right amount. independence versus

helping. for instance she cannot shampoo her hair properly, and her

hair looks oily by the end of the day. we have tried different

shampoos and i have showed her how to do this, but she doesn't get

it. i " treat " her to me shampooing her hair and then her hair stays

clean longer, but i felt this may be too much pampering. but i have

read recently that this could be an OT issue.

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[Guest guest]

HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!

Hi Kurt!

My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!

We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good that

we'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks like

it's gonna be a long one!

While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcoming

running races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work

(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.

We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one at

home so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.

I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.

Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1

quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you can

get sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helps

cleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will build

up the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better and

avoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,

especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).

Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, you

will get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is right

up there )

The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slower

than other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats and

proteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomers

to cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last

15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It's

been fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.

If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touch

with me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.

All the very best,

Garret

> Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I

> found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in

> finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access

> to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer

> for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the

> fast.

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!

Hi Kurt!

My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!

We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good that

we'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks like

it's gonna be a long one!

While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcoming

running races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work

(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.

We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one at

home so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.

I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.

Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1

quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you can

get sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helps

cleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will build

up the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better and

avoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,

especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).

Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, you

will get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is right

up there )

The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slower

than other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats and

proteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomers

to cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last

15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It's

been fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.

If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touch

with me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.

All the very best,

Garret

> Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I

> found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in

> finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access

> to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer

> for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the

> fast.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Garret,

Thanks for the info! This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk. What exactly is the macronutrient profile of kefir? If you are working out on this fast then it looks you guys are getting enough "workout" carbs along with the protein and fat.

So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long? How much of it are you drinking everyday? Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as coconut oil? My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue working out myself. I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any more than a few pounds. I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day during the fast. Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins. I wonder if 2 cups would be sufficient?

I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it. Need to get my leftovers eaten first. I'm kind of looking forward to not having to cook for the next week or two.

Is the sauna helpful? Is it just for detoxifying? What model do you have at home?

Thanks,Kurt

HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!

Hi Kurt!

My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!

We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one!

While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.

We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.

I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).

Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there )

The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.

If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.

All the very best,Garret

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremer@...

To: RawDairy From: garret@...Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:34 -0500Subject: Re: Introduction

HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!Hi Kurt!My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one!While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there )The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.All the very best,GarretOn Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremerhotmail> wrote:> Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I> found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in> finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access> to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer> for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the> fast.>>

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Hi Garret,

Thanks for the info! This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk. What exactly is the macronutrient profile of kefir? If you are working out on this fast then it looks you guys are getting enough "workout" carbs along with the protein and fat.

So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long? How much of it are you drinking everyday? Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as coconut oil? My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue working out myself. I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any more than a few pounds. I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day during the fast. Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins. I wonder if 2 cups would be sufficient?

I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it. Need to get my leftovers eaten first. I'm kind of looking forward to not having to cook for the next week or two.

Is the sauna helpful? Is it just for detoxifying? What model do you have at home?

Thanks,Kurt

HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!

Hi Kurt!

My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!

We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one!

While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.

We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.

I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).

Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there )

The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.

If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.

All the very best,Garret

On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremer@...

To: RawDairy From: garret@...Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:34 -0500Subject: Re: Introduction

HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!Hi Kurt!My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one!While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there )The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.All the very best,GarretOn Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremerhotmail> wrote:> Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I> found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in> finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access> to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer> for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the> fast.>>

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Kefir only. We're doing 8-12 ounces an hour. Plenty of calories. 8

ounces is 160 cals. 9 g protein, plenty of fats (no coconut oil

needed), 13 g carbs. I've got energy to spare....

I also drink tea, given that I am an imported of tea and tea wares.

Tea is gooood!

Yeah, I'm not doing it to lose weight, either, I'm good there. If you

feel you are losing weight, just up your intake of the milk/kefir and

you'll be good to go.

Saltwater - have only ever done the full quart. But be near your

bathroom cause some people flush within 20 minutes, others an hour.

It's quite effective. The proportion of salt and water is the same

specific gravity as blood and therefore the sodium does not get picked

up by the kidneys, so no worries there. Some people will do the flush

every day, but I feel that on this cleanse I have been great with

every other day. I suppose one could have more days in between.

Life's an experiment and every body's different so see what works for

you...

In regard to sauna therapy - I've been using Far-infrared for over 6

years. We liked it so much that when we opened our center we wanted

to make it available for our clients. They liked i so much that they

wanted their own at home. So... we became dealers for Saunatec and

now many of our clients have them and we've shipped them all over the

US. It is great detox, awesome for post workout recovery, perfect for

arthritis, fibromyalgia, CFS, Lymes and on and on...

Anyway, it, along with physical activity, proper diet and regular

fasting, is definitely a big part of our health regimen.

I don't want to be a salesman here so I won't go on about FIR sauna.

But if you're more curious email me off list and I'd be happy to talk

to you about it! garret@...

Hope all this info helps!!! You're gonna love this cleanse!!!

Take care,

Garret

> Hi Garret,

> Thanks for the info!  This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to

> do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk.  What exactly is the

> macronutrient profile of kefir?  If you are working out on this fast then it

> looks you guys are getting enough " workout " carbs along with the protein and

> fat.

>

> So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long?  How much of it are you

> drinking everyday?  Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as

> coconut oil?  My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue

> working out myself.  I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any

> more than a few pounds.  I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day

> during the fast.  Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as

> being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff

> (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins.  I wonder if 2

> cups would be sufficient?

>

> I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it.

> Need to get my leftovers eaten first.  I'm kind of looking forward to not

> having to cook for the next week or two.

> Is the sauna helpful?  Is it just for detoxifying?  What model do you have

> at home?

> Thanks,

> Kurt

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kefir only. We're doing 8-12 ounces an hour. Plenty of calories. 8

ounces is 160 cals. 9 g protein, plenty of fats (no coconut oil

needed), 13 g carbs. I've got energy to spare....

I also drink tea, given that I am an imported of tea and tea wares.

Tea is gooood!

Yeah, I'm not doing it to lose weight, either, I'm good there. If you

feel you are losing weight, just up your intake of the milk/kefir and

you'll be good to go.

Saltwater - have only ever done the full quart. But be near your

bathroom cause some people flush within 20 minutes, others an hour.

It's quite effective. The proportion of salt and water is the same

specific gravity as blood and therefore the sodium does not get picked

up by the kidneys, so no worries there. Some people will do the flush

every day, but I feel that on this cleanse I have been great with

every other day. I suppose one could have more days in between.

Life's an experiment and every body's different so see what works for

you...

In regard to sauna therapy - I've been using Far-infrared for over 6

years. We liked it so much that when we opened our center we wanted

to make it available for our clients. They liked i so much that they

wanted their own at home. So... we became dealers for Saunatec and

now many of our clients have them and we've shipped them all over the

US. It is great detox, awesome for post workout recovery, perfect for

arthritis, fibromyalgia, CFS, Lymes and on and on...

Anyway, it, along with physical activity, proper diet and regular

fasting, is definitely a big part of our health regimen.

I don't want to be a salesman here so I won't go on about FIR sauna.

But if you're more curious email me off list and I'd be happy to talk

to you about it! garret@...

Hope all this info helps!!! You're gonna love this cleanse!!!

Take care,

Garret

> Hi Garret,

> Thanks for the info!  This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to

> do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk.  What exactly is the

> macronutrient profile of kefir?  If you are working out on this fast then it

> looks you guys are getting enough " workout " carbs along with the protein and

> fat.

>

> So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long?  How much of it are you

> drinking everyday?  Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as

> coconut oil?  My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue

> working out myself.  I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any

> more than a few pounds.  I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day

> during the fast.  Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as

> being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff

> (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins.  I wonder if 2

> cups would be sufficient?

>

> I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it.

> Need to get my leftovers eaten first.  I'm kind of looking forward to not

> having to cook for the next week or two.

> Is the sauna helpful?  Is it just for detoxifying?  What model do you have

> at home?

> Thanks,

> Kurt

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Can anyone offer advice as to the best method to start with and what yields

the best quality perfume?

>

> Thank you and I'm so glad to have joined this awesome group!!

>

> ~Amy in Oregon

>

Hi Amy,

Welcome to the group! I am also in Oregon, distilling essential oils and

creating natural perfumes. May I suggest just starting your blending with

whatever smells good to you? I started out blending in oils, and now I work

with oils and alcohol. I really like the way that alcohol seems to bind the

ingredients in a blend together. Top notes bloom more ferociously in an alcohol

blend. Oil seems to hold the perfume closer to the skin, and depending on which

type of oil you use it may impart some advantageous fixative properties as well.

I haven't played around with glycerine yet. I do think that starting by

blending base notes, then heart notes, and top notes last, seems to really help

me create perfumes without being overwhelmed by all the possible combinations.

There is another natural perfumer in town who I met this last weekend. His name

is Evan Dumas and we were talking about starting a NP group here in Portland.

Would you be interested in meeting up with us? We had a lot of fun exchanging

fragrances and talking shop. Good luck with your blending, if you love what you

are doing you will create many beautiful bottles of perfume!

Kindly,

Jessie Ring

Green Ring Botanicals

coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com

[Guest guest]

> Hi Amy,

Top notes bloom more ferociously in an alcohol blend. Oil seems to hold the

perfume closer to the skin, and depending on which type of oil you use it may

impart some advantageous fixative properties as well. I haven't played around

with glycerine yet.

>

> There is another natural perfumer in town who I met this last weekend. His

name is Evan Dumas and we were talking about starting a NP group here in

Portland. Would you be interested in meeting up with us? We had a lot of fun

exchanging fragrances and talking shop. Good luck with your blending, if you

love what you are doing you will create many beautiful bottles of perfume!

>

> Kindly,

> Jessie Ring

> Green Ring Botanicals

> coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com

>

Hi Jessie!

Thanks so much for the reply! I live in Eugene and have two young kiddos, so the

drive to Portland might not be possible, but thank you so much for the invite!

I've heard of people mixing jojoba oil and alcohol together for a blended

carrier...doesn't seem like it would work well to me, but have you heard

anything about that? Also, have you mixed water into your alcohol based blends,

or do you just leave it at EO's and alcohol?

I just drove to Pleasant Hill today to pickup some EO's from

www.mountainroseherbs.com, seems like a good place! Do you buy your oils

locally?

~Amy

[Guest guest]

> I just drove to Pleasant Hill today to pickup some EO's from

> www.mountainroseherbs.com, seems like a good place! Do you buy your

> oils locally?

Mountain Rose is the best. I'd certainly trust their EOs but there

are much better sources.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > I just drove to Pleasant Hill today to pickup some EO's from

> > www.mountainroseherbs.com, seems like a good place! Do you buy your

> > oils locally?

Hi Amy,

I buy some of my oils locally. I like Mountain Rose a lot, but I also buy from

Liberty Natural because they have a huge selection and are a short drive from my

home. Liberty also has really small sample sizes and unusual products, like my

current favorite, clary sage absolute. So far, the highest quality absolutes

and EOs have come from Eden Botanicals (CA) and White Lotus Aromatics (WA.)

Eden Botanicals is commonly recomended in this group because of their great

reputation for the quality and authenticity of their oils. White Lotus Aromatic

carries exquisite eos, absolutes, co2 extracts, and attars. If you want

gorgeous, authentic indian attars buy from White Lotus - their website is also a

fabulous info resource. Sign up for White Lotus's free Fragrant Harvest

Newsletter, written by owner McMahon and you will not be

disappointed. The Essential Oil Company (Sellwood OR) is owned by

Seidel - robert is another distiller and long time eo distributor. He carries a

fine selection of eos, absolutes and carrier oils.

If you are interested in locally distilled oils there are many lavender growers

distilling in OR and WA. Bill Carleson of Mountainside Lavender offers several

varieties of his own lavender distillates, all of which are unusual and

exquisite (many are varieties bred in OR.) Hoodriver Lavender also offers some

kickin' lavender eo. Liberty Natural offers organic " Buena Vista " lavender eo

which has a particurally fruity bouquet (I also grow this variety on Green Ring

Farm - I distilled some last summer and it is indeed super-fruity!) Liberty

grows Organic Clary Sage along side their happy little lavender plants, but they

are currently out of stock - hopefully they will have more this summer...it

really was a great deal. The Essential Oil Company offers local Juniper needle

eo (Juniperous occidentalis.) There are many mint distilleries in Oregon and

Washington (Liberty carries Yakima Mint, Eromenth, ect.) Roman Chamomile is

also distilled in oregon (Liberty.)

I distill several different varieties of lavender, mint, rosemary, and sage as

well as fir, juniper, pine, cedar, rose, ect. I will have limited quantities of

essential oil and lots of hydrosols availabel for sale this spring and summer.

Oh ya, to answer your earlier question, I haven't tried mixing alcohol and

jojoba oil to form a base and I leave my alcohol perfumes undiluted. Let us know

about your results if you try mixing oil/alcohol bases. Try Alchemical

Solutions (Ashland, OR) for killer organic grape alcohol. I enjoy fractionated

coconut oil as a base also because of how well stuff dissolves in it, not to

mention the indefinite shelf life. Ok, I'll stop rambling now - if ever you

head up Portland way drop me a line and maybe we could meet up with some other

local NPs!

Kindly,

Jess Ring

Green Ring Botanicals

coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com

[Guest guest]

Jess

I really enjoyed reading all that you wrote about to Amy. You wrote so well it

was as if you were speaking. I am just learning about perfumery and am reading

all that is written on the boards. I am waiting on my EO's from EB and will get

the book from Mandy Aftel as Anya is not offering her class this year. Do you

have any other recommended reading? I would love to distill some of my vintage

peonies (50+ years old) But sigh...... I have no idea how to do this yet.

Regards

Carol

[Guest guest]

if ever you head up Portland way drop me a line and maybe we could meet up with

some other local NPs!

>

> Kindly,

> Jess Ring

> Green Ring Botanicals

> coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com

>

Wow Jess! Thanks for all the info on places to check out. I like the idea of

supporting local companies - but certainly will order out for higher quality

when I get the hang of mixing. :-)

I've been fiddling with some of my favorite scents and my first problem is that

everything I like is sweet...so my combos are super sweet. I need to learn how

to balance my blends better. When I tried to add more bitter, woody, or green

scents to the blends they either got muddy or too dark - more cologne like.

Anyway...I continue learning. :-)

Let me know the next time you're getting together with other NP's and I'll try

to make it! My husband is very supportive in my pursuit of perfume making, and

is encouraging me to drive to PD. :-D

~Amy

[Guest guest]

I am waiting on my EO's from EB and will get the book from Mandy Aftel as Anya

is not offering her class this year. Do you have any other recommended reading?

I would love to distill some of my vintage peonies (50+ years old) But

sigh...... I have no idea how to do this yet.

> Regards

> Carol

>

Hi carol,

Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I am up to my ears in juniper

distillations and very ready to distill something else! I bet by now you have

your oils from eden and are swimming in a sea of aromatic revelations...mmmmmmm

mm. The Aftel book is a great place to start. Also, look through some of the

old texts that were written before the advent of synthetics. I've been

recomending Septimus Piesse lately. I am pretty much in love

with him. If you can order a copy of Archtander's Perfume and flavor Materials

of Natural Origin this is an amazing book that goes into close detail on most

perfume ingredients - if you get into real serious blending this is the one you

want. I think that Mcmahon of White Lotus Aromatics has a gorgeous

archive of his Fragrant Harvest Newsletters (free to sign up) - these newletters

are a real joy to read, there is also all kinds of distillation info on his site

not to mention the man throws his heart and soul into his writing making the

reading an equally emotional and beautiful experience. The recipes are all

lovely. Hope this helps and have a great day!

Kindly,

Jess Ring

Green Ring Botanicals

coming soon www.greenringbotanicals.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Jess,

I'm making a little bit of progress in my blending (thank God!) Nothing

great...but at least not horrible! I'm attempting to make an orange vanilla like

fragrance for a friend, but she doesn't want it too sweet as she doesn't want

anyone thinking she smells like dessert. What I've come up with so far smells

great, but it is both sweet and dessert like. haha.

I've got some fir on order right now, so I'll definitely give that a try!

Hopefully you can get on to distilling something new before too long. :-)

Thanks and hopefully we can get together sometime soon!

[Guest guest]

mother_ring@...

I've been recomending Septimus

Piesse lately. I am pretty much in love with him. If you can order a

copy of Archtander's Perfume and flavor Materials of Natural Origin

this is an amazing book that goes into close detail on most perfume

ingredients

Dear Carol,

You mention Septimus book as a good one. Do you have a source where I can buy

it? I tried Amazon and it's $600 USD, which seems excessive to

me.

Thnaks for any tips...

Ezio

[Guest guest]

Hello and the first(?) of many welcomes Polly

Before you chuck 'em out take a look at this chap

(Part 1)

(Part 2) and you'll maybe get a

little more laid back about it.

Rocket science it ain't and, I would say, nothing more than good " kitchen

cleanliness " would be quite acceptable.

.

(UK)

________________________________

From: Polly

Subject: Introduction

Hello,

I recently received a scoby through the discussingnt group, which is

also where I first heard of kombucha and kefirs, etc. I have some brewing

on top of my freezer in quart jars. They used to be in the cupboard, next

to the freezer, but I just read this website the other day, which says that

cupboards don't have enough air in them for the tea, so moved them.

http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/04/kombucha-tea-part-2-15-tips-for-making.htm\

l

Is it really this precise? After reading that, I almost feel like I should

toss my scobies, before they kill me!

Also, I know, they say mason jars are not a good thing to do it in, too

narrow, but I found a bowl to be very messy. Although I do have a

wonderful 2 qt mixing/measuring cup that I suppose would cut down on the

mess - but I use it for EVERYTHING, so would have to buy another one before

I could use it. Do any of you use mason jars with success?

The original scoby I got was HUGE, so I ended up cutting it up into smaller

circles that would fit in my jars. I wondered if that would kill it, but

it seems to have survived just fine.

I am the only one in my family of 6 that drinks it - well, my 20yos got a

glass accidentally the other day, thinking it was iced tea. Since I had

told them it was good for you, he downed it anyway, but I don't think he

will be going looking for it. :-) Said it tasted " medicinal " . So far, I

haven't acquired a taste for it, either - it is so strong/tart tasting. I

have tried adding a little to my iced tea, but even then it totally changes

the flavor. But, I have gotten used to the taste of water kefir, so hope

to get adjusted to the taste of k.

Polly

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Welcome aboard Polly and as so aptly pointed out " This

ain't rocket science " LOL Good one .

Mason Jars can and do work, altho for heavy " drinkers " like

myself are far too small to be practical.

In the early years I made mine in 1 gallon pickle jars- even those

became too small to be of much use. particularly after the scoby's

increased in size. We now use the gallon containers for scoby

hotels and they quickly become totally swollen with scoby's.

2.5 to 3.5 gallon glass containers with plastic spigots are now

considered ideal in our household. and I each have our own,

since our tastes are diametrically opposed as to when the brew is

finished. I prefer a slightly sweet taste- is much happier

with vinegar. When the KT tastes like apple cider- thats when I

consider it ideal.

So......... how much do you plan to consume daily? Multiply that by

about 9 allow room for the scoby and breathing room at the top

and this will tell you what size container you will need. Of course

if others will be consuming the brew as well, then you need to

account for their consumption. When this total exceeds about 2

gallons its time for you to consider the continuous brewing

method where you can draw off up to 20-30% of the total,

Refresh with sweet tea and by morning it will be ready to drink

again. No need to wait the usual 9-14 days or so.

Polly wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I recently received a scoby through the discussingnt group, which is

> also where I first heard of kombucha and kefirs, etc. I have some brewing

> on top of my freezer in quart jars. They used to be in the cupboard, next

> to the freezer, but I just read this website the other day, which says that

> cupboards don't have enough air in them for the tea, so moved them.

>

>

http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/04/kombucha-tea-part-2-15-tips-for-making.htm\

l

>

> Is it really this precise? After reading that, I almost feel like I should

> toss my scobies, before they kill me!

>

> Also, I know, they say mason jars are not a good thing to do it in, too

> narrow, but I found a bowl to be very messy. Although I do have a

> wonderful 2 qt mixing/measuring cup that I suppose would cut down on the

> mess - but I use it for EVERYTHING, so would have to buy another one before

> I could use it. Do any of you use mason jars with success?

>

> The original scoby I got was HUGE, so I ended up cutting it up into smaller

> circles that would fit in my jars. I wondered if that would kill it, but

> it seems to have survived just fine.

>

> I am the only one in my family of 6 that drinks it - well, my 20yos got a

> glass accidentally the other day, thinking it was iced tea. Since I had

> told them it was good for you, he downed it anyway, but I don't think he

> will be going looking for it. :-) Said it tasted " medicinal " . So far, I

> haven't acquired a taste for it, either - it is so strong/tart tasting. I

> have tried adding a little to my iced tea, but even then it totally changes

> the flavor. But, I have gotten used to the taste of water kefir, so hope

> to get adjusted to the taste of k.

>

> Polly

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! Thanks for the welcome and the videos! I feel better now. :-)

Kane wrote:

> Before you chuck 'em out take a look at this chap

> <

(Part 1)

> <

(Part 2)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm a newie in this group as well.

I had a look at pt.1 & 2 youtube links, and they were a hoot!

Couldn't get much more laid back than that, that's for sure.

He reminded me of a butcher, all hands and matter o' fact, cheeky attitude!

I, too, feel quite much better about kombucha brewing after viewing the vids.

Thanks for that!

We don't have much heat going on down here in Melbourne, Australia, as we're

nearing winter. Can't really keep the heat up to the kombucha, so there's been

very little action going on after 10 days (average temp indoors ~17C). Have

smelt the brew through the fabric over the opening, and it seems to be changing,

with the odd bubble at the surface. But " mother " is still quite barren at the

moment...no offspring to be viewed

Cheers,

Fran

>

> Hello and the first(?) of many welcomes Polly

> Before you chuck 'em out take a look at this chap

>

(Part 1)

>

(Part 2) and you'll maybe get a

little more laid back about it.

> Rocket science it ain't and, I would say, nothing more than good " kitchen

cleanliness " would be quite acceptable.

>

> .

> (UK)

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Polly

> Subject: Introduction

>

> Hello,

>

> I recently received a scoby through the discussingnt group, which is

> also where I first heard of kombucha and kefirs, etc. I have some brewing

> on top of my freezer in quart jars. They used to be in the cupboard, next

> to the freezer, but I just read this website the other day, which says that

> cupboards don't have enough air in them for the tea, so moved them.

>

>

http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/04/kombucha-tea-part-2-15-tips-for-making.htm\

l

>

> Is it really this precise? After reading that, I almost feel like I should

> toss my scobies, before they kill me!

>

> Also, I know, they say mason jars are not a good thing to do it in, too

> narrow, but I found a bowl to be very messy. Although I do have a

> wonderful 2 qt mixing/measuring cup that I suppose would cut down on the

> mess - but I use it for EVERYTHING, so would have to buy another one before

> I could use it. Do any of you use mason jars with success?

>

> The original scoby I got was HUGE, so I ended up cutting it up into smaller

> circles that would fit in my jars. I wondered if that would kill it, but

> it seems to have survived just fine.

>

> I am the only one in my family of 6 that drinks it - well, my 20yos got a

> glass accidentally the other day, thinking it was iced tea. Since I had

> told them it was good for you, he downed it anyway, but I don't think he

> will be going looking for it. :-) Said it tasted " medicinal " . So far, I

> haven't acquired a taste for it, either - it is so strong/tart tasting. I

> have tried adding a little to my iced tea, but even then it totally changes

> the flavor. But, I have gotten used to the taste of water kefir, so hope

> to get adjusted to the taste of k.

>

> Polly

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>