Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Oh, I hope it's not too bad Melody, casts are no fun! I bet she's enjoying having you do the washing though. Allie tried for years to get out of doing her own hair when ever she could. At least now she finally gets it done with no drama! My Allie is 13, will be 14 in June. Thank goodness for Hollywood! She taught Allie [as though I hadn't said it I-don't-know-how-many-times, LOL] to use a glop of shampoo in her palm the size of a quarter and then lather it up. In the last few weeks, some of the girls at school have taken an interest in helping Allie dress more in-tune with them. I'm so excited, because they're getting her to do all the things I've been trying to get her to try for Years [sneakers/plain jeans/t-shirts/not wearing her nicest clothes every day]! I'm happy as a clam, with a small occasional bout of - " Grrrr, I'VE been telling her that for ever - but would she listen to Mom?! " Sandi :-) In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:08:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, mkalomiris@... writes: Hello sandi: You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you for the suggestion. I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie? Regards, melody **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Oh, I hope it's not too bad Melody, casts are no fun! I bet she's enjoying having you do the washing though. Allie tried for years to get out of doing her own hair when ever she could. At least now she finally gets it done with no drama! My Allie is 13, will be 14 in June. Thank goodness for Hollywood! She taught Allie [as though I hadn't said it I-don't-know-how-many-times, LOL] to use a glop of shampoo in her palm the size of a quarter and then lather it up. In the last few weeks, some of the girls at school have taken an interest in helping Allie dress more in-tune with them. I'm so excited, because they're getting her to do all the things I've been trying to get her to try for Years [sneakers/plain jeans/t-shirts/not wearing her nicest clothes every day]! I'm happy as a clam, with a small occasional bout of - " Grrrr, I'VE been telling her that for ever - but would she listen to Mom?! " Sandi :-) In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:08:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, mkalomiris@... writes: Hello sandi: You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you for the suggestion. I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie? Regards, melody **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Oh, I hope it's not too bad Melody, casts are no fun! I bet she's enjoying having you do the washing though. Allie tried for years to get out of doing her own hair when ever she could. At least now she finally gets it done with no drama! My Allie is 13, will be 14 in June. Thank goodness for Hollywood! She taught Allie [as though I hadn't said it I-don't-know-how-many-times, LOL] to use a glop of shampoo in her palm the size of a quarter and then lather it up. In the last few weeks, some of the girls at school have taken an interest in helping Allie dress more in-tune with them. I'm so excited, because they're getting her to do all the things I've been trying to get her to try for Years [sneakers/plain jeans/t-shirts/not wearing her nicest clothes every day]! I'm happy as a clam, with a small occasional bout of - " Grrrr, I'VE been telling her that for ever - but would she listen to Mom?! " Sandi :-) In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:08:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, mkalomiris@... writes: Hello sandi: You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you for the suggestion. I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie? Regards, melody **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=http:%2\ F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hello sandi: You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you for the suggestion. I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie? Regards, melody From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women [mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of D22@... Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:36 PM To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women Subject: Re: Re: introduction Hi Melody, This rang a bell with me. I've always had problems with the " how much to help " question. We recently had a breakthrough on the hair washing. After 4 years of myself trying encouragement and hands off guidance for my dd regarding her hair washing, her new hair stylist at TGF said what were apparently the magic words and suddenly Allie's hair looks and smells shiny and clean for days! Ms. Hollywood told Allie she couldn't just put a glop of shampoo in her hand and spread it around. She needs to smear it all over the inside of both hands and then work up a bit of lather. Then when she works her lather through her hair it gets spread around enough to get her whole head clean. She also backed me up on not needing huge handfuls of shampoo to get the job done. Allie looks so much better now, and I'm a happy mom! Thank goodness for Ms. Hollywood, 'cause Allie has reached that age when nothing I say matters as much as what anyone else says! :-) Sandi In a message dated 3/2/2009 12:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, mkalomiris@... <mailto:mkalomiris%40comcast.net> writes: another trick to me is helping the right amount. independence versus helping. for instance she cannot shampoo her hair properly, and her hair looks oily by the end of the day. we have tried different shampoos and i have showed her how to do this, but she doesn't get it. i " treat " her to me shampooing her hair and then her hair stays clean longer, but i felt this may be too much pampering. but i have read recently that this could be an OT issue. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hello sandi: You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you for the suggestion. I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie? Regards, melody From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women [mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of D22@... Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:36 PM To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women Subject: Re: Re: introduction Hi Melody, This rang a bell with me. I've always had problems with the " how much to help " question. We recently had a breakthrough on the hair washing. After 4 years of myself trying encouragement and hands off guidance for my dd regarding her hair washing, her new hair stylist at TGF said what were apparently the magic words and suddenly Allie's hair looks and smells shiny and clean for days! Ms. Hollywood told Allie she couldn't just put a glop of shampoo in her hand and spread it around. She needs to smear it all over the inside of both hands and then work up a bit of lather. Then when she works her lather through her hair it gets spread around enough to get her whole head clean. She also backed me up on not needing huge handfuls of shampoo to get the job done. Allie looks so much better now, and I'm a happy mom! Thank goodness for Ms. Hollywood, 'cause Allie has reached that age when nothing I say matters as much as what anyone else says! :-) Sandi In a message dated 3/2/2009 12:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, mkalomiris@... <mailto:mkalomiris%40comcast.net> writes: another trick to me is helping the right amount. independence versus helping. for instance she cannot shampoo her hair properly, and her hair looks oily by the end of the day. we have tried different shampoos and i have showed her how to do this, but she doesn't get it. i " treat " her to me shampooing her hair and then her hair stays clean longer, but i felt this may be too much pampering. but i have read recently that this could be an OT issue. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hello sandi: You must be happy that you found a solution and I really like the " you don't need a lot a shampoo " approach. I will try this with my daughter and see how it goes-I will have to wait one month however, because she fractured her arm, so I will be washing her hair until the cast is off. thank you for the suggestion. I also very much understand how there is an age where the girls stop taking their mother's advice. Unfortunately, megan is there. How old is allie? Regards, melody From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women [mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of D22@... Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 3:36 PM To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women Subject: Re: Re: introduction Hi Melody, This rang a bell with me. I've always had problems with the " how much to help " question. We recently had a breakthrough on the hair washing. After 4 years of myself trying encouragement and hands off guidance for my dd regarding her hair washing, her new hair stylist at TGF said what were apparently the magic words and suddenly Allie's hair looks and smells shiny and clean for days! Ms. Hollywood told Allie she couldn't just put a glop of shampoo in her hand and spread it around. She needs to smear it all over the inside of both hands and then work up a bit of lather. Then when she works her lather through her hair it gets spread around enough to get her whole head clean. She also backed me up on not needing huge handfuls of shampoo to get the job done. Allie looks so much better now, and I'm a happy mom! Thank goodness for Ms. Hollywood, 'cause Allie has reached that age when nothing I say matters as much as what anyone else says! :-) Sandi In a message dated 3/2/2009 12:04:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, mkalomiris@... <mailto:mkalomiris%40comcast.net> writes: another trick to me is helping the right amount. independence versus helping. for instance she cannot shampoo her hair properly, and her hair looks oily by the end of the day. we have tried different shampoos and i have showed her how to do this, but she doesn't get it. i " treat " her to me shampooing her hair and then her hair stays clean longer, but i felt this may be too much pampering. but i have read recently that this could be an OT issue. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219957551x1201325337/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!! Hi Kurt! My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks! We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good that we'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks like it's gonna be a long one! While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcoming running races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work (we're massage therapists) and everything else we do. We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one at home so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well. I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush. Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1 quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you can get sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helps cleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will build up the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better and avoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people, especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.). Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, you will get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is right up there ) The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slower than other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats and proteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomers to cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last 15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It's been fun being able to help out others who are interested in it. If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touch with me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may. All the very best, Garret > Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I > found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in > finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access > to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer > for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the > fast. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!! Hi Kurt! My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks! We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good that we'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks like it's gonna be a long one! While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcoming running races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work (we're massage therapists) and everything else we do. We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one at home so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well. I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush. Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1 quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you can get sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helps cleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will build up the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better and avoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people, especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.). Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, you will get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is right up there ) The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slower than other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats and proteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomers to cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last 15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It's been fun being able to help out others who are interested in it. If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touch with me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may. All the very best, Garret > Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I > found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in > finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access > to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer > for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the > fast. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Hi Garret, Thanks for the info! This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk. What exactly is the macronutrient profile of kefir? If you are working out on this fast then it looks you guys are getting enough "workout" carbs along with the protein and fat. So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long? How much of it are you drinking everyday? Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as coconut oil? My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue working out myself. I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any more than a few pounds. I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day during the fast. Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins. I wonder if 2 cups would be sufficient? I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it. Need to get my leftovers eaten first. I'm kind of looking forward to not having to cook for the next week or two. Is the sauna helpful? Is it just for detoxifying? What model do you have at home? Thanks,Kurt HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!! Hi Kurt! My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks! We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one! While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do. We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well. I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.). Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there ) The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it. If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may. All the very best,Garret On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremer@... To: RawDairy From: garret@...Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:34 -0500Subject: Re: Introduction HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!Hi Kurt!My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one!While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there )The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.All the very best,GarretOn Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremerhotmail> wrote:> Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I> found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in> finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access> to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer> for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the> fast.>> Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Hi Garret, Thanks for the info! This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk. What exactly is the macronutrient profile of kefir? If you are working out on this fast then it looks you guys are getting enough "workout" carbs along with the protein and fat. So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long? How much of it are you drinking everyday? Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as coconut oil? My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue working out myself. I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any more than a few pounds. I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day during the fast. Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins. I wonder if 2 cups would be sufficient? I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it. Need to get my leftovers eaten first. I'm kind of looking forward to not having to cook for the next week or two. Is the sauna helpful? Is it just for detoxifying? What model do you have at home? Thanks,Kurt HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!! Hi Kurt! My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks! We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one! While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do. We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well. I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.). Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there ) The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it. If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may. All the very best,Garret On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremer@... To: RawDairy From: garret@...Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:34 -0500Subject: Re: Introduction HI to all the newbies! Welcome!!!Hi Kurt!My girlfriend and I are on day 12 of our kefir fast. It pretty much rocks!We had said we were going to do 2 weeks, but are feeling so good thatwe'll keep on going til we feel like being done with it. Looks likeit's gonna be a long one!While doing this fast we have continued our training for our upcomingrunning races, doing our regular weight workouts, our physical work(we're massage therapists) and everything else we do.We also have a far-infrared sauna at our wellness center and one athome so we've been doing daily sauna sessions, as well.I highly recommend doing at least an every other day salt-water flush.Some like enemas, but I prefer a top-down approach of drinking 1quart of warm salt water (2 tsp, non-iodized, as natural as you canget sea salt) first thing in the morning. The flush really helpscleanse the intestinal tract and get rid of the toxins that will buildup the while doing a cleanse. You will definitely feel better andavoid much of the fasting related symptoms that can occur for people,especially newcomers to cleansing (headaches, nausea, etc.).Kefir is a blast. And as long as you have access to raw milk, youwill get the highest quality drink I can think of (well, tea is rightup there )The actual detoxing during a kefir cleanse is going to be much slowerthan other types of fasting, given the amount of carbs, fats andproteins that one takes in, making it an ideal cleanse for newcomersto cleansing. We've done many different fast/cleanses over the last15 years (I'm 42 now) and my life is waaaay better off for it. It'sbeen fun being able to help out others who are interested in it.If you have any other questions, feel free to reply or get in touchwith me directly. I am happy to help in any way I may.All the very best,GarretOn Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Kurt Kremer <kmkremerhotmail> wrote:> Hi. My name is Kurt. I was told about this group over in another forum and I> found out that someone here is doing a Kefir fast. I'm very interested in> finding out how it all went as I want to try it. I have been getting access> to various raw dairy products from a local grass-fed/WAP principled farmer> for a number of years including making my own kefir but I haven't tried the> fast.>> Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Kefir only. We're doing 8-12 ounces an hour. Plenty of calories. 8 ounces is 160 cals. 9 g protein, plenty of fats (no coconut oil needed), 13 g carbs. I've got energy to spare.... I also drink tea, given that I am an imported of tea and tea wares. Tea is gooood! Yeah, I'm not doing it to lose weight, either, I'm good there. If you feel you are losing weight, just up your intake of the milk/kefir and you'll be good to go. Saltwater - have only ever done the full quart. But be near your bathroom cause some people flush within 20 minutes, others an hour. It's quite effective. The proportion of salt and water is the same specific gravity as blood and therefore the sodium does not get picked up by the kidneys, so no worries there. Some people will do the flush every day, but I feel that on this cleanse I have been great with every other day. I suppose one could have more days in between. Life's an experiment and every body's different so see what works for you... In regard to sauna therapy - I've been using Far-infrared for over 6 years. We liked it so much that when we opened our center we wanted to make it available for our clients. They liked i so much that they wanted their own at home. So... we became dealers for Saunatec and now many of our clients have them and we've shipped them all over the US. It is great detox, awesome for post workout recovery, perfect for arthritis, fibromyalgia, CFS, Lymes and on and on... Anyway, it, along with physical activity, proper diet and regular fasting, is definitely a big part of our health regimen. I don't want to be a salesman here so I won't go on about FIR sauna. But if you're more curious email me off list and I'd be happy to talk to you about it! garret@... Hope all this info helps!!! You're gonna love this cleanse!!! Take care, Garret > Hi Garret, > Thanks for the info! This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to > do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk. What exactly is the > macronutrient profile of kefir? If you are working out on this fast then it > looks you guys are getting enough " workout " carbs along with the protein and > fat. > > So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long? How much of it are you > drinking everyday? Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as > coconut oil? My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue > working out myself. I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any > more than a few pounds. I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day > during the fast. Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as > being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff > (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins. I wonder if 2 > cups would be sufficient? > > I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it. > Need to get my leftovers eaten first. I'm kind of looking forward to not > having to cook for the next week or two. > Is the sauna helpful? Is it just for detoxifying? What model do you have > at home? > Thanks, > Kurt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Kefir only. We're doing 8-12 ounces an hour. Plenty of calories. 8 ounces is 160 cals. 9 g protein, plenty of fats (no coconut oil needed), 13 g carbs. I've got energy to spare.... I also drink tea, given that I am an imported of tea and tea wares. Tea is gooood! Yeah, I'm not doing it to lose weight, either, I'm good there. If you feel you are losing weight, just up your intake of the milk/kefir and you'll be good to go. Saltwater - have only ever done the full quart. But be near your bathroom cause some people flush within 20 minutes, others an hour. It's quite effective. The proportion of salt and water is the same specific gravity as blood and therefore the sodium does not get picked up by the kidneys, so no worries there. Some people will do the flush every day, but I feel that on this cleanse I have been great with every other day. I suppose one could have more days in between. Life's an experiment and every body's different so see what works for you... In regard to sauna therapy - I've been using Far-infrared for over 6 years. We liked it so much that when we opened our center we wanted to make it available for our clients. They liked i so much that they wanted their own at home. So... we became dealers for Saunatec and now many of our clients have them and we've shipped them all over the US. It is great detox, awesome for post workout recovery, perfect for arthritis, fibromyalgia, CFS, Lymes and on and on... Anyway, it, along with physical activity, proper diet and regular fasting, is definitely a big part of our health regimen. I don't want to be a salesman here so I won't go on about FIR sauna. But if you're more curious email me off list and I'd be happy to talk to you about it! garret@... Hope all this info helps!!! You're gonna love this cleanse!!! Take care, Garret > Hi Garret, > Thanks for the info! This looks like almost the perfect & safest cleanse to > do and I'm already making kefir from raw milk. What exactly is the > macronutrient profile of kefir? If you are working out on this fast then it > looks you guys are getting enough " workout " carbs along with the protein and > fat. > > So are you consumong nothing but kefir all day long? How much of it are you > drinking everyday? Are you supplementing the fast with anything such as > coconut oil? My goal would be too just detoxify to refresh and continue > working out myself. I'm at my ideal weight so I wouldn't need to lose any > more than a few pounds. I will try the 1 QT of warm water every other day > during the fast. Although it seems to me that 1 quart is too much as far as > being feeling watered down and it may leach out too much of the good stuff > (vitamins, minerals, good bacteria, etc.) besides the toxins. I wonder if 2 > cups would be sufficient? > > I'm due to pickup some raw milk this weekend so I may get a bunch of it. > Need to get my leftovers eaten first. I'm kind of looking forward to not > having to cook for the next week or two. > Is the sauna helpful? Is it just for detoxifying? What model do you have > at home? > Thanks, > Kurt > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 > > Can anyone offer advice as to the best method to start with and what yields the best quality perfume? > > Thank you and I'm so glad to have joined this awesome group!! > > ~Amy in Oregon > Hi Amy, Welcome to the group! I am also in Oregon, distilling essential oils and creating natural perfumes. May I suggest just starting your blending with whatever smells good to you? I started out blending in oils, and now I work with oils and alcohol. I really like the way that alcohol seems to bind the ingredients in a blend together. Top notes bloom more ferociously in an alcohol blend. Oil seems to hold the perfume closer to the skin, and depending on which type of oil you use it may impart some advantageous fixative properties as well. I haven't played around with glycerine yet. I do think that starting by blending base notes, then heart notes, and top notes last, seems to really help me create perfumes without being overwhelmed by all the possible combinations. There is another natural perfumer in town who I met this last weekend. His name is Evan Dumas and we were talking about starting a NP group here in Portland. Would you be interested in meeting up with us? We had a lot of fun exchanging fragrances and talking shop. Good luck with your blending, if you love what you are doing you will create many beautiful bottles of perfume! Kindly, Jessie Ring Green Ring Botanicals coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 > Hi Amy, Top notes bloom more ferociously in an alcohol blend. Oil seems to hold the perfume closer to the skin, and depending on which type of oil you use it may impart some advantageous fixative properties as well. I haven't played around with glycerine yet. > > There is another natural perfumer in town who I met this last weekend. His name is Evan Dumas and we were talking about starting a NP group here in Portland. Would you be interested in meeting up with us? We had a lot of fun exchanging fragrances and talking shop. Good luck with your blending, if you love what you are doing you will create many beautiful bottles of perfume! > > Kindly, > Jessie Ring > Green Ring Botanicals > coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com > Hi Jessie! Thanks so much for the reply! I live in Eugene and have two young kiddos, so the drive to Portland might not be possible, but thank you so much for the invite! I've heard of people mixing jojoba oil and alcohol together for a blended carrier...doesn't seem like it would work well to me, but have you heard anything about that? Also, have you mixed water into your alcohol based blends, or do you just leave it at EO's and alcohol? I just drove to Pleasant Hill today to pickup some EO's from www.mountainroseherbs.com, seems like a good place! Do you buy your oils locally? ~Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 > I just drove to Pleasant Hill today to pickup some EO's from > www.mountainroseherbs.com, seems like a good place! Do you buy your > oils locally? Mountain Rose is the best. I'd certainly trust their EOs but there are much better sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 > > > > I just drove to Pleasant Hill today to pickup some EO's from > > www.mountainroseherbs.com, seems like a good place! Do you buy your > > oils locally? Hi Amy, I buy some of my oils locally. I like Mountain Rose a lot, but I also buy from Liberty Natural because they have a huge selection and are a short drive from my home. Liberty also has really small sample sizes and unusual products, like my current favorite, clary sage absolute. So far, the highest quality absolutes and EOs have come from Eden Botanicals (CA) and White Lotus Aromatics (WA.) Eden Botanicals is commonly recomended in this group because of their great reputation for the quality and authenticity of their oils. White Lotus Aromatic carries exquisite eos, absolutes, co2 extracts, and attars. If you want gorgeous, authentic indian attars buy from White Lotus - their website is also a fabulous info resource. Sign up for White Lotus's free Fragrant Harvest Newsletter, written by owner McMahon and you will not be disappointed. The Essential Oil Company (Sellwood OR) is owned by Seidel - robert is another distiller and long time eo distributor. He carries a fine selection of eos, absolutes and carrier oils. If you are interested in locally distilled oils there are many lavender growers distilling in OR and WA. Bill Carleson of Mountainside Lavender offers several varieties of his own lavender distillates, all of which are unusual and exquisite (many are varieties bred in OR.) Hoodriver Lavender also offers some kickin' lavender eo. Liberty Natural offers organic " Buena Vista " lavender eo which has a particurally fruity bouquet (I also grow this variety on Green Ring Farm - I distilled some last summer and it is indeed super-fruity!) Liberty grows Organic Clary Sage along side their happy little lavender plants, but they are currently out of stock - hopefully they will have more this summer...it really was a great deal. The Essential Oil Company offers local Juniper needle eo (Juniperous occidentalis.) There are many mint distilleries in Oregon and Washington (Liberty carries Yakima Mint, Eromenth, ect.) Roman Chamomile is also distilled in oregon (Liberty.) I distill several different varieties of lavender, mint, rosemary, and sage as well as fir, juniper, pine, cedar, rose, ect. I will have limited quantities of essential oil and lots of hydrosols availabel for sale this spring and summer. Oh ya, to answer your earlier question, I haven't tried mixing alcohol and jojoba oil to form a base and I leave my alcohol perfumes undiluted. Let us know about your results if you try mixing oil/alcohol bases. Try Alchemical Solutions (Ashland, OR) for killer organic grape alcohol. I enjoy fractionated coconut oil as a base also because of how well stuff dissolves in it, not to mention the indefinite shelf life. Ok, I'll stop rambling now - if ever you head up Portland way drop me a line and maybe we could meet up with some other local NPs! Kindly, Jess Ring Green Ring Botanicals coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Jess I really enjoyed reading all that you wrote about to Amy. You wrote so well it was as if you were speaking. I am just learning about perfumery and am reading all that is written on the boards. I am waiting on my EO's from EB and will get the book from Mandy Aftel as Anya is not offering her class this year. Do you have any other recommended reading? I would love to distill some of my vintage peonies (50+ years old) But sigh...... I have no idea how to do this yet. Regards Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 if ever you head up Portland way drop me a line and maybe we could meet up with some other local NPs! > > Kindly, > Jess Ring > Green Ring Botanicals > coming soon: www.greenringbotanicals.com > Wow Jess! Thanks for all the info on places to check out. I like the idea of supporting local companies - but certainly will order out for higher quality when I get the hang of mixing. :-) I've been fiddling with some of my favorite scents and my first problem is that everything I like is sweet...so my combos are super sweet. I need to learn how to balance my blends better. When I tried to add more bitter, woody, or green scents to the blends they either got muddy or too dark - more cologne like. Anyway...I continue learning. :-) Let me know the next time you're getting together with other NP's and I'll try to make it! My husband is very supportive in my pursuit of perfume making, and is encouraging me to drive to PD. :-D ~Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I am waiting on my EO's from EB and will get the book from Mandy Aftel as Anya is not offering her class this year. Do you have any other recommended reading? I would love to distill some of my vintage peonies (50+ years old) But sigh...... I have no idea how to do this yet. > Regards > Carol > Hi carol, Sorry it has taken me so long to reply. I am up to my ears in juniper distillations and very ready to distill something else! I bet by now you have your oils from eden and are swimming in a sea of aromatic revelations...mmmmmmm mm. The Aftel book is a great place to start. Also, look through some of the old texts that were written before the advent of synthetics. I've been recomending Septimus Piesse lately. I am pretty much in love with him. If you can order a copy of Archtander's Perfume and flavor Materials of Natural Origin this is an amazing book that goes into close detail on most perfume ingredients - if you get into real serious blending this is the one you want. I think that Mcmahon of White Lotus Aromatics has a gorgeous archive of his Fragrant Harvest Newsletters (free to sign up) - these newletters are a real joy to read, there is also all kinds of distillation info on his site not to mention the man throws his heart and soul into his writing making the reading an equally emotional and beautiful experience. The recipes are all lovely. Hope this helps and have a great day! Kindly, Jess Ring Green Ring Botanicals coming soon www.greenringbotanicals.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hi Jess, I'm making a little bit of progress in my blending (thank God!) Nothing great...but at least not horrible! I'm attempting to make an orange vanilla like fragrance for a friend, but she doesn't want it too sweet as she doesn't want anyone thinking she smells like dessert. What I've come up with so far smells great, but it is both sweet and dessert like. haha. I've got some fir on order right now, so I'll definitely give that a try! Hopefully you can get on to distilling something new before too long. :-) Thanks and hopefully we can get together sometime soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 mother_ring@... I've been recomending Septimus Piesse lately. I am pretty much in love with him. If you can order a copy of Archtander's Perfume and flavor Materials of Natural Origin this is an amazing book that goes into close detail on most perfume ingredients Dear Carol, You mention Septimus book as a good one. Do you have a source where I can buy it? I tried Amazon and it's $600 USD, which seems excessive to me. Thnaks for any tips... Ezio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Hello and the first(?) of many welcomes Polly Before you chuck 'em out take a look at this chap (Part 1) (Part 2) and you'll maybe get a little more laid back about it. Rocket science it ain't and, I would say, nothing more than good " kitchen cleanliness " would be quite acceptable. . (UK) ________________________________ From: Polly Subject: Introduction Hello, I recently received a scoby through the discussingnt group, which is also where I first heard of kombucha and kefirs, etc. I have some brewing on top of my freezer in quart jars. They used to be in the cupboard, next to the freezer, but I just read this website the other day, which says that cupboards don't have enough air in them for the tea, so moved them. http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/04/kombucha-tea-part-2-15-tips-for-making.htm\ l Is it really this precise? After reading that, I almost feel like I should toss my scobies, before they kill me! Also, I know, they say mason jars are not a good thing to do it in, too narrow, but I found a bowl to be very messy. Although I do have a wonderful 2 qt mixing/measuring cup that I suppose would cut down on the mess - but I use it for EVERYTHING, so would have to buy another one before I could use it. Do any of you use mason jars with success? The original scoby I got was HUGE, so I ended up cutting it up into smaller circles that would fit in my jars. I wondered if that would kill it, but it seems to have survived just fine. I am the only one in my family of 6 that drinks it - well, my 20yos got a glass accidentally the other day, thinking it was iced tea. Since I had told them it was good for you, he downed it anyway, but I don't think he will be going looking for it. :-) Said it tasted " medicinal " . So far, I haven't acquired a taste for it, either - it is so strong/tart tasting. I have tried adding a little to my iced tea, but even then it totally changes the flavor. But, I have gotten used to the taste of water kefir, so hope to get adjusted to the taste of k. Polly ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 Welcome aboard Polly and as so aptly pointed out " This ain't rocket science " LOL Good one . Mason Jars can and do work, altho for heavy " drinkers " like myself are far too small to be practical. In the early years I made mine in 1 gallon pickle jars- even those became too small to be of much use. particularly after the scoby's increased in size. We now use the gallon containers for scoby hotels and they quickly become totally swollen with scoby's. 2.5 to 3.5 gallon glass containers with plastic spigots are now considered ideal in our household. and I each have our own, since our tastes are diametrically opposed as to when the brew is finished. I prefer a slightly sweet taste- is much happier with vinegar. When the KT tastes like apple cider- thats when I consider it ideal. So......... how much do you plan to consume daily? Multiply that by about 9 allow room for the scoby and breathing room at the top and this will tell you what size container you will need. Of course if others will be consuming the brew as well, then you need to account for their consumption. When this total exceeds about 2 gallons its time for you to consider the continuous brewing method where you can draw off up to 20-30% of the total, Refresh with sweet tea and by morning it will be ready to drink again. No need to wait the usual 9-14 days or so. Polly wrote: > Hello, > > I recently received a scoby through the discussingnt group, which is > also where I first heard of kombucha and kefirs, etc. I have some brewing > on top of my freezer in quart jars. They used to be in the cupboard, next > to the freezer, but I just read this website the other day, which says that > cupboards don't have enough air in them for the tea, so moved them. > > http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/04/kombucha-tea-part-2-15-tips-for-making.htm\ l > > Is it really this precise? After reading that, I almost feel like I should > toss my scobies, before they kill me! > > Also, I know, they say mason jars are not a good thing to do it in, too > narrow, but I found a bowl to be very messy. Although I do have a > wonderful 2 qt mixing/measuring cup that I suppose would cut down on the > mess - but I use it for EVERYTHING, so would have to buy another one before > I could use it. Do any of you use mason jars with success? > > The original scoby I got was HUGE, so I ended up cutting it up into smaller > circles that would fit in my jars. I wondered if that would kill it, but > it seems to have survived just fine. > > I am the only one in my family of 6 that drinks it - well, my 20yos got a > glass accidentally the other day, thinking it was iced tea. Since I had > told them it was good for you, he downed it anyway, but I don't think he > will be going looking for it. :-) Said it tasted " medicinal " . So far, I > haven't acquired a taste for it, either - it is so strong/tart tasting. I > have tried adding a little to my iced tea, but even then it totally changes > the flavor. But, I have gotten used to the taste of water kefir, so hope > to get adjusted to the taste of k. > > Polly > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 LOL! Thanks for the welcome and the videos! I feel better now. :-) Kane wrote: > Before you chuck 'em out take a look at this chap > < (Part 1) > < (Part 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2009 Report Share Posted May 8, 2009 Hi , I'm a newie in this group as well. I had a look at pt.1 & 2 youtube links, and they were a hoot! Couldn't get much more laid back than that, that's for sure. He reminded me of a butcher, all hands and matter o' fact, cheeky attitude! I, too, feel quite much better about kombucha brewing after viewing the vids. Thanks for that! We don't have much heat going on down here in Melbourne, Australia, as we're nearing winter. Can't really keep the heat up to the kombucha, so there's been very little action going on after 10 days (average temp indoors ~17C). Have smelt the brew through the fabric over the opening, and it seems to be changing, with the odd bubble at the surface. But " mother " is still quite barren at the moment...no offspring to be viewed Cheers, Fran > > Hello and the first(?) of many welcomes Polly > Before you chuck 'em out take a look at this chap > (Part 1) > (Part 2) and you'll maybe get a little more laid back about it. > Rocket science it ain't and, I would say, nothing more than good " kitchen cleanliness " would be quite acceptable. > > . > (UK) > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Polly > Subject: Introduction > > Hello, > > I recently received a scoby through the discussingnt group, which is > also where I first heard of kombucha and kefirs, etc. I have some brewing > on top of my freezer in quart jars. They used to be in the cupboard, next > to the freezer, but I just read this website the other day, which says that > cupboards don't have enough air in them for the tea, so moved them. > > http://kellythekitchenkop.com/2008/04/kombucha-tea-part-2-15-tips-for-making.htm\ l > > Is it really this precise? After reading that, I almost feel like I should > toss my scobies, before they kill me! > > Also, I know, they say mason jars are not a good thing to do it in, too > narrow, but I found a bowl to be very messy. Although I do have a > wonderful 2 qt mixing/measuring cup that I suppose would cut down on the > mess - but I use it for EVERYTHING, so would have to buy another one before > I could use it. Do any of you use mason jars with success? > > The original scoby I got was HUGE, so I ended up cutting it up into smaller > circles that would fit in my jars. I wondered if that would kill it, but > it seems to have survived just fine. > > I am the only one in my family of 6 that drinks it - well, my 20yos got a > glass accidentally the other day, thinking it was iced tea. Since I had > told them it was good for you, he downed it anyway, but I don't think he > will be going looking for it. :-) Said it tasted " medicinal " . So far, I > haven't acquired a taste for it, either - it is so strong/tart tasting. I > have tried adding a little to my iced tea, but even then it totally changes > the flavor. But, I have gotten used to the taste of water kefir, so hope > to get adjusted to the taste of k. > > Polly > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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