Re: Re:slight let down

[Guest guest]

Elena,

Where do I start. First of all, I am on Celexa now. It is a relatively new

anti-depressant in the US, but it is the number one anti-depressant in

Europe). I have absolutely NO side effects whatsoever and I don't have any

problems with back pain right now either. (I also had surgery many years ago

for my back.) Now, I also didn't have the sexual libido side effect with

Paxil and Zoloft, so I don't want you to get your hopes up too high just yet,

but maybe Celexa is something to try.

I know how you feel about the weight stuff, and it's easy for me to tell you

not to worry about it. Heck, it's easier for all of us to tell others not to

worry about it, but when it comes to ourselves, it is a lot more difficult to

listen to the same advice. I think you looked marvelous at the tapings,

especially in those cute little shorts that I wouldn't be caught DEAD

wearing! Just remember that the weight is just a number and it's not really

what you weigh that matters.

This is what I see happening for you....you are awesome at Tae-Bo and learned

more and more at the tapings about the proper form, etc. That will help you

build muscle, which will in turn burn the fat that you still want to lose

(which isn't much, by the way). It will all fall into place for you,

Elena....it will for all of us. What's on the wall in all of the tapes?

WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT

Let your faith be your guide on this journey. You have come so far and

accomplished so much already. Do you realize you did 6 WORKOUTS IN THREE

DAYS under the hot lights? YOU ARE A CONQUERER and don't you forget it. You

will conquer this, Elena...I know you will.

I also know how you feel about being placed in the back row at the tapings.

I understand that completely. I most certainly felt the same way about that

AND about not being put on camera very often. It's kind of funny, though...I

didn't want to be in the front row or on camera a lot...it's just the fact

that nobody wanted me to, DAMMIT! So I really do know how you feel...it can

be tough. Unfortunately, when they set us up for the tapings, they can't see

what is INSIDE of us as well, because if they did, I'm sure we'd both be in

the front row, gurl!!

I also understand what it's like to feel like you are complaining about

something that isn't bad compared to what others are going through, but the

bottom line is...if you need to vent, then do so. Bottling it up is not a

good way to go. We are all here for you, Elena. Personally, you can e-mail

me privately if you like as well. You have been there for me through some of

the WORST times that I have had. I would like to do the same for you.

You are a beautiful, intelligent, compassionate, courageous, supportive woman

who also looks damn good in a pair of short lycra shorts! LOL

Love,

Susi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/00 5:05:12 PM Central Standard Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<<

I could probably get by without venting, but you all are so helpful, so

I'll vent. I'm feeling a little discouraged. I went for my annual

gynecological appointment today and according to their scale I weigh 142

(I know weight is not what matters, but there's more). Then I asked him

about my weight and he said it was fine and that at most I could get

down to 135 and still be healthy. Hearing my exercise and eating

schedule, he said it was probably my metabolism and the birth control

pills that have kept me from losing weight. He said I could eat less

but given what I already eat, I would probably not like it and feel very

deprived. He thought I had reached my equilibrium point. My metabolism

is probably OK (except for the zoloft, which I cannot change, see

below), because my thyroid is fine. He said I could lose between 5-10

pounds by going off birth control (trinorinyl). Other than weight loss,

however (and maybe sex drive, see below), he saw no other advantages fro

going off the pill and since I have never been pregnant, it is important

that I stay on the pill to prevent ovarian cancer. So, the bottom line

is that I will stay on this pill.

As for my sex drive, he had NOTHING to offer. He attributed my lower

labido to zoloft. I had the same problem with prozac and with Paxil, my

depression, moodiness, and chronic pain syndrome were out of control. I

mentioned the medicine that was prescribed (I forgot the name),

but it didn't ring a bell with him. He said he gives hormones to women

in menopause for this problem but would not consider it with someone my

age because of the side effects, e.g., weight gain and bulking up. In

sum, he had nothing to offer me other than going off zoloft which I

can't do.

All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise

anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my

doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by

the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of being

constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling a

little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am doing

(along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started Monday)

and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and

disappointed.

I realize that I really have NOTHING to complain about. I'm healthy,

financially fine, I have a good job, a house and a great husband. I'm

not anxiously waiting for test results that could determine my future

like Sandy is. Still, thanks for listening.

Elena

>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/00 5:05:12 PM Central Standard Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<<

I could probably get by without venting, but you all are so helpful, so

I'll vent. I'm feeling a little discouraged. I went for my annual

gynecological appointment today and according to their scale I weigh 142

(I know weight is not what matters, but there's more). Then I asked him

about my weight and he said it was fine and that at most I could get

down to 135 and still be healthy. Hearing my exercise and eating

schedule, he said it was probably my metabolism and the birth control

pills that have kept me from losing weight. He said I could eat less

but given what I already eat, I would probably not like it and feel very

deprived. He thought I had reached my equilibrium point. My metabolism

is probably OK (except for the zoloft, which I cannot change, see

below), because my thyroid is fine. He said I could lose between 5-10

pounds by going off birth control (trinorinyl). Other than weight loss,

however (and maybe sex drive, see below), he saw no other advantages fro

going off the pill and since I have never been pregnant, it is important

that I stay on the pill to prevent ovarian cancer. So, the bottom line

is that I will stay on this pill.

As for my sex drive, he had NOTHING to offer. He attributed my lower

labido to zoloft. I had the same problem with prozac and with Paxil, my

depression, moodiness, and chronic pain syndrome were out of control. I

mentioned the medicine that was prescribed (I forgot the name),

but it didn't ring a bell with him. He said he gives hormones to women

in menopause for this problem but would not consider it with someone my

age because of the side effects, e.g., weight gain and bulking up. In

sum, he had nothing to offer me other than going off zoloft which I

can't do.

All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise

anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my

doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by

the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of being

constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling a

little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am doing

(along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started Monday)

and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and

disappointed.

I realize that I really have NOTHING to complain about. I'm healthy,

financially fine, I have a good job, a house and a great husband. I'm

not anxiously waiting for test results that could determine my future

like Sandy is. Still, thanks for listening.

Elena

>>

Elena, Go to someone else and get a second opinion...but before you do

research the Serzone on the web. I havent picked mine up yet since I just

got payed today. (Run to the bank lol).

Maybe you can try another birth control pill also?!? I really don't think

that you are permanently stuck at where you are...even if you continue eating

the same you can put on muscle mass and increase the intensity of your

workouts and I bet you'll see improvements in the long run. But you really

have a great body (no I'm not trying to pick up on you :-) You way about the

same as I do and look thinner!!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/00 9:03:11 PM Central Standard Time,

SuSiFLooZi@... writes:

<< ack pain right now either. (I also had surgery many years ago

for my back.) Now, I also didn't have the sexual libido side effect with

Paxil and Zoloft, so I don't want you to get your hopes up too high just

yet,

but maybe Celexa is something to try. >>

Just my two cents....Celexa made my lack of libido worse..and didnt help my

depression but each of us needs something different.

[Guest guest]

I could probably get by without venting, but you all are so helpful, so

I'll vent. I'm feeling a little discouraged. I went for my annual

gynecological appointment today and according to their scale I weigh 142

(I know weight is not what matters, but there's more). Then I asked him

about my weight and he said it was fine and that at most I could get

down to 135 and still be healthy. Hearing my exercise and eating

schedule, he said it was probably my metabolism and the birth control

pills that have kept me from losing weight. He said I could eat less

but given what I already eat, I would probably not like it and feel very

deprived. He thought I had reached my equilibrium point. My metabolism

is probably OK (except for the zoloft, which I cannot change, see

below), because my thyroid is fine. He said I could lose between 5-10

pounds by going off birth control (trinorinyl). Other than weight loss,

however (and maybe sex drive, see below), he saw no other advantages fro

going off the pill and since I have never been pregnant, it is important

that I stay on the pill to prevent ovarian cancer. So, the bottom line

is that I will stay on this pill.

As for my sex drive, he had NOTHING to offer. He attributed my lower

labido to zoloft. I had the same problem with prozac and with Paxil, my

depression, moodiness, and chronic pain syndrome were out of control. I

mentioned the medicine that was prescribed (I forgot the name),

but it didn't ring a bell with him. He said he gives hormones to women

in menopause for this problem but would not consider it with someone my

age because of the side effects, e.g., weight gain and bulking up. In

sum, he had nothing to offer me other than going off zoloft which I

can't do.

All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise

anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my

doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by

the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of being

constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling a

little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am doing

(along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started Monday)

and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and

disappointed.

I realize that I really have NOTHING to complain about. I'm healthy,

financially fine, I have a good job, a house and a great husband. I'm

not anxiously waiting for test results that could determine my future

like Sandy is. Still, thanks for listening.

Elena

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/1/00 6:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<< All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise

anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my

doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by

the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of being

constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling a

little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am doing

(along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started Monday)

and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and

disappointed. >>

I am so sorry you are feeling down Elena!! If it helps at all, I was in the

back too. In fact, I was not just placed in the back, I was MOVED there!

I think you look wonderful and don't need to lose an ounce!! I am sure that

everyone who met you in LA would agree with me!

[Guest guest]

Elena, you look great! And you're body will continue to change as you

continue Tae Bo...just hang in there! (I have no doubt you will!)

There are other anti-depressants, as you well know, that would not

affect your sex drive negatively. Perhaps consulting a psychiatrist

would be in order (especially since your doc wasn't familiar with the

med a's trying). Does your family have a history of ovarian

cancer? If not, then why stay on the pill just in order to stave it

off?

;-)

F

etcarroll <etcarrol-@...> wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13223

>

> All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise

> anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my

> doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by

> the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of

being

> constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling

a

> little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am

doing

> (along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started

Monday)

> and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and

> disappointed.

>

> I realize that I really have NOTHING to complain about. I'm healthy,

> financially fine, I have a good job, a house and a great husband. I'm

> not anxiously waiting for test results that could determine my future

> like Sandy is. Still, thanks for listening.

>

> Elena

[Guest guest]

At 06:01 PM 3/1/2000 -0500, etcarroll wrote:

>I realize that I really have NOTHING to complain about. I'm healthy,

>financially fine, I have a good job, a house and a great husband. I'm

>not anxiously waiting for test results that could determine my future

>like Sandy is. Still, thanks for listening.

You go right ahead and complain if you feel like it. You have a goal you

want to reach, and it looks like several things outside of your control are

stopping you from reaching it. I'd say that's worth complaining about.

I wish I had some advice or some perfect words to help you feel better

about all of this. Unfortunately I have none.

But you know we're here and we're with you. Keep on kicking and feeling

good. Do the best you can, and just feel good knowing that.

-- Sandy

[Guest guest]

etcarroll <etcarrol-@...> wrote:

> All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise

> anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my

> doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by

> the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of

being

> constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling

a

> little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am

doing

> (along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started

Monday)

> and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and

> disappointed.

>

I was zooming thru the posts trying to catch-up and was ver disturbed

to see Elena down on herself

Girl, you look great in the picts you have sent and have accomplished

so much professionally and personally that you have to realize what you

envision as perfect is an illusion for everyone.

Now for some motherly advice, are you doing any upper body weights?

Muscles are the key to speeding up metabolism and all women should be

doing them as they get older to keep that metabolism churning.

Barb

who don't want to hear any midlife crisis talk from Elena cuz she is

awesome

[Guest guest]

WOOOOHOOOO susan!! i agree 100%!!!! gary has had a vasectomy and i feel a

million times better since i stopping putting that garbarge into my system!!

~Nicci

>F

>who refuses to put another pill, injection, contraption, or goo inside

>my body to prevent pregnancy...it's up to the guy(s) now!

>

>

Walk By Faith, Not By Sight

______________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 12:28:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,

eyore68@... writes:

<< na

WALK BY FAITH NOT BY SIGHT - Blanks >>

I don't think it was ! Wasn't it Dr. Price? I am not sure. Someone here

knows!

[Guest guest]

<<

who wishes Susi would take everything she just said about Elena and apply it to

herself >>

LOL...I knew that was coming eventually!

[Guest guest]

<<I am sorry if I am over stepping my bounds...but does

anyone know if made up that saying? because if

he did, then when you use a sig. line, you should give

him credit, for instance, my DH, a huge Wayne fan

uses a quote of his and then puts - Wayne...so for

example it would go like this...

na

WALK BY FAITH NOT BY SIGHT - Blanks>>

na,

I believe it is from the bible, though it may not be an exact quote...it may be

modified a bit, so didn't make that one up. =)

Susi

[Guest guest]

> I could probably get by without venting, but you all are so helpful,

so

> I'll vent. [snip] thanks for listening.

>

> Elena

When I read this, all I want to do is send you a huge hug.

Everyone has their own problems, but it's contact with other people

that often helps to prevent those problems overwhelming us.

To be honest I get quite alarmed by the frequent reference that many

people in this group make to medication.

For me I try to avoid any kind of medication as much as possible, and

try out alternative therapy - I use aromatherapy oils a lot, and last

year was working with a hypnotherapist to recover my personality.

I'd better put a little explanation in here -

Over the last 20 years (I'm 40 this year) I've discovered that I react

badly to a lot of things - but this is intolerance not allergies.

I was a very moody and often aggressive child, a depressed teenager

(and overweight) then in my early 20's discovered, by accident, that I

had a problem with milk, I now know that it's most dairy produce. That

actually reduced a lot of the moods and depression I was suffering.

When I came of the pill at 27, the bleak depression lifted considerably

(I will NEVER take anything like that again) and I started to feel more

able to control my feelings.

About 3-4 years ago I ballooned and despite not weighing much more than

my previous max, had gained 3 dress sizes & was still getting bigger.

Thankfully I was prescribed Brufen, for my period pain, which I had a

violent reaction to (I was very lucky not to get stomach ulcers) which

meant I didn't eat anything for 5 days (just drank water) - I felt

absolutely fantastic! so then knew I had more problems with what I ate.

Wheat & Oats are the big foods I've found - I'm waiting for results for

Coeliac's disease - Antibiotics & NSAID painkillers the known

medications and there's other things on my suspect list, Coffee is at

the top at the moment.

Life's thrown plenty of things at me, but I've survived, if I'd relied

on medication I doubt that I'd still be alive.

The hardest was 97 - 99 when I'd been injured and in constant

pain(can't take painkillers!)I was really depressed & I took Prozac for

a while, but didn't recognise myself, that's when I needed to recover

myself & drugs weren't helping at all so they got thrown away & I

sought other help.

The point to this is I get really concerned at the amount of

medications that you & others talk about, please consider complementary

therapies in addition to you doctor, I'm certainly glad I did and a

darn better person for it.

Sorry to ramble on so, if I can help you at all I'll happily give you

my email address

Thinking of you

Take care

Jill

[Guest guest]

> I could probably get by without venting, but you all are so helpful,

so

> I'll vent. [snip] thanks for listening.

>

> Elena

When I read this, all I want to do is send you a huge hug.

Everyone has their own problems, but it's contact with other people

that often helps to prevent those problems overwhelming us.

To be honest I get quite alarmed by the frequent reference that many

people in this group make to medication.

For me I try to avoid any kind of medication as much as possible, and

try out alternative therapy - I use aromatherapy oils a lot, and last

year was working with a hypnotherapist to recover my personality.

I'd better put a little explanation in here -

Over the last 20 years (I'm 40 this year) I've discovered that I react

badly to a lot of things - but this is intolerance not allergies.

I was a very moody and often aggressive child, a depressed teenager

(and overweight) then in my early 20's discovered, by accident, that I

had a problem with milk, I now know that it's most dairy produce. That

actually reduced a lot of the moods and depression I was suffering.

When I came of the pill at 27, the bleak depression lifted considerably

(I will NEVER take anything like that again) and I started to feel more

able to control my feelings.

About 3-4 years ago I ballooned and despite not weighing much more than

my previous max, had gained 3 dress sizes & was still getting bigger.

Thankfully I was prescribed Brufen, for my period pain, which I had a

violent reaction to (I was very lucky not to get stomach ulcers) which

meant I didn't eat anything for 5 days (just drank water) - I felt

absolutely fantastic! so then knew I had more problems with what I ate.

Wheat & Oats are the big foods I've found - I'm waiting for results for

Coeliac's disease - Antibiotics & NSAID painkillers the known

medications and there's other things on my suspect list, Coffee is at

the top at the moment.

Life's thrown plenty of things at me, but I've survived, if I'd relied

on medication I doubt that I'd still be alive.

The hardest was 97 - 99 when I'd been injured and in constant

pain(can't take painkillers!)I was really depressed & I took Prozac for

a while, but didn't recognise myself, that's when I needed to recover

myself & drugs weren't helping at all so they got thrown away & I

sought other help.

The point to this is I get really concerned at the amount of

medications that you & others talk about, please consider complementary

therapies in addition to you doctor, I'm certainly glad I did and a

darn better person for it.

Sorry to ramble on so, if I can help you at all I'll happily give you

my email address

Thinking of you

Take care

Jill

[Guest guest]

" jill clappison " <j.clappiso-@...> wrote:

> When I came of the pill at 27, the bleak depression lifted

considerably

> (I will NEVER take anything like that again) and I started to feel

more

> able to control my feelings.

Jill, what do you use for birth control? Does anyone here use the IUD?

If so, have you had problems with it?

Elena

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 2:59:54 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<< Jill, what do you use for birth control? Does anyone here use the IUD?

If so, have you had problems with it?

Elena

>>

I don't use an IUD, because I haven't heard great things about them. I stick

with a diaphragm and the pill...seems to be working!

B

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 4:22:18 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

Horsemom2@... writes:

<< also would suggest using a condom when you are ovulating just to play it

alittle safer

Barb >>

No kidding. Diaphragm, pill and condom. like body armor...nothing is

getting throught that!!!!!

B

who is not in any hurry to have another baby, but is probably going to be

hearing wedding bells sometime in the future with her new beau!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 7:44:56 AM Hawaiian Standard Time,

etcarroll@... writes:

<< Another pregnancy would

> be devastating right now. >>

I know that feeling all too well . It is not terrible or anything.

YOu sound like youa re being very responsible. I feel the same way, I could

not bring another child in the world right now...I can't even afford the one

I have now. (Because I am single).

B

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/02/2000 12:28:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

eyore68@... writes:

<< I am sorry if I am over stepping my bounds...but does

anyone know if made up that saying? because if

he did, then when you use a sig. line, you should give

him credit, for instance, my DH, a huge Wayne fan

uses a quote of his and then puts - Wayne...so for

example it would go like this...

na

WALK BY FAITH NOT BY SIGHT - Blanks >>

someone told me it came from the bible?

Barb

who can get details if needed

[Guest guest]

> Jill,

> Have you had any problems with urinary track infections due to

> the diaphragm?

>

I've not had any problem that I can associate directly with it.

Like loads of others I suffer with Thrush and/or Cystitis from time to time,

but that's usually because I was too lazy to go pee after lovemaking, or

often after I've had a bath (soaps seem to be a big irritant for me).

Did you identify if it was the diaphragm or spermicide that was causing the

problem. Remember too that there are different types of diaphragm too -

there's a coiled spring one I couldn't get on with - difficult to insert,

painful during lovemaking. The flat spring is the type I need to use (and

it's not always easy to get hold of here at the moment!)

I must admit I tried a few different types of spermicide before I settled on

a particular gel, but I was often lazy and used the tablet type (are the

called pessaries?).

Hope you find something that works for you too.

Take care

Jill

[Guest guest]

Hi Elena-It's OK to vent. Gosh, you're always here for everyone else. I just wish I had the answers to your medical mysteries. Here is a

link to a book that several women on another fitness site have been

talking about. It might help you.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0446675806/o/qid=952012158/sr=8-

1/102-6950305-8358413

Elena-I can't comment on 's placing at these shootings, but

please don't ever put yourself down again. You are a beautiful lady,

both on the inside and outside. What you reflect to us here, is only a

fraction of the real you. I can imagine just how special you are in

real life.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/2/00 3:07:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mmgraves@... writes:

<< He talked you out of getting a tubal? How mean!! I was 23 when I had my

tubal and no one tried to talk me out of it. In fact they did it 3 hours

after was born. I just have a little tiny scar below my belly button.

>>

He just said that he would not recommend it for someone my age, I was barely

21 at the time. He also said that it could be possible for me to maybe have a

different husband one day and maybe want to have children with him. I think

his point was that I really don't know what my life will be like in 10 years.

Maybe my hubby and I will win the lotto and would want to have more? I still

think I should have done it, but I really don't know how I'll feel 9 or 10

years from now...

[Guest guest]

Re: Re:slight let down

> > All in all, I feel discouraged about my weight. I can't exercise> anymore than I already am without injuring myself and according to my> doctor, there is nothing they can do about my metabolism (he said, by> the way, that our metabolism decreases with age). This, on top of being> constantly placed in the back row in the tapings in LA has me feeling a> little down. I know the only solution is to keep doing what I am doing> (along with the 21-day healthy eating challenge which I started Monday)> and let it go at that. I guess I just feel old (at 39) and> disappointed.

Elena,

Don't apologize for coming here to vent.....that's what we're all here for...no matter how big or small the problem. First of all, I just want to remind you how proud I am of you. You finished all 3 days of back to back tapings like the true conquerer that you are.....don't forget that! I know it's frustrating to be so close to your goals and than to have circumstances beyond your control impact your progress. It's frustrating to know that you are doing everything you can, but are still not seeing the results you had hoped for. But you are doing everything in your power to be healthy and that's all that you can really do. If it's any comfort, I think you looked incredible at the tapings. You are constantly looking for ways to improve your form and technique and you are continuing to learn new things each and every day. I guarantee you that someone who is watching those tapes will look at you and be able to identify with you. You will be their source of inspiration...the reason they decide that it's possible for them to do tae-bo. Just keep doing what you are doing and know that you are a strong and confident tae-bo warrior. And know that I am so proud of all that you achieved.

shannonwho knows Elena will reach her goals one day soon

[Guest guest]

susiflooz-@... wrote:

original article:tae-bo_on/?start=13243

>

> You are a beautiful, intelligent, compassionate, courageous,

supportive woman

> who also looks damn good in a pair of short lycra shorts! LOL

Yeah, what she said I agree with everything Susi said...she said it

much better than I did in my other post!

who wishes Susi would take everything she just said about Elena and

apply it to herself