Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing. arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1) lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5) This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood test. What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am scared and shaking. Help! Barnhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 Dear , I was shaken for days after seeing my daughter's hair analysis report - also high lead - AND high mercury, too. But look at the bright side - your child can't help but improve once you get the toxic metals out! (-: You have a clear and treatable diagnosis: lead toxicity. that's a good thing, right? Hang in there. My daughter's just begun her 4th cycle of chelation and she's doing swell. Just start with a low dose for your child's sake - and for your peace of mind, too. [ ] hair test results > till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's > office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo > vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing. > > arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1) > lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5) > > This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen > floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood > test. > > What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am > scared and shaking. Help! > > Barnhill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 , I haven't gotten my son's hair test back yet - but I'm sure I may have the same reaction when I do see his results. Looking at the archieves of this list, Cutler, a Chemist & person who had Mercury toxicity, recommended the following for high lead and migh arsenic (see Message 1157 of the archieves under egroups) " Lead: DMSA every 4 hours for 3-7 days, skip at least as long, repeat for 3 - 6 months. " " Arsenic: as for mercury, but it works faster and better. " " Mercury - lipoic acid with optionally DMSA or DMPS every 3 hours for 3 days, skip 4-11 (days), repeat 30 times. " my comments: remember, I believe Dr. Holmes does not choose DMPS for our kids...Looks like using the new suggested protocol of DMSA + lipoic acid may work well for your son. But, I'm just a mom who reads what experts have stated.... Aly [ ] hair test results till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing. arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1) lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5) This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood test. What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am scared and shaking. Help! Barnhill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 -Somewhere in the archives, I believe that Andy agreed with Amy that DMPS wasn't for kids. Adults detoxing is different than kids.... I may be wrong, but, someone will tell me that if I am...LOL ann -- In egroups, " Aly " <tafa@g...> wrote: > , > > I haven't gotten my son's hair test back yet - but I'm sure I may have the > same reaction when I do see his results. Looking at the archieves of this > list, Cutler, > a Chemist & person who had Mercury toxicity, recommended the following for > high lead and migh arsenic (see Message 1157 of the archieves under > egroups) > > " Lead: DMSA every 4 hours for 3-7 days, skip at least as long, repeat for > 3 - 6 months. " > > " Arsenic: as for mercury, but it works faster and better. " > > " Mercury - lipoic acid with optionally DMSA or DMPS every 3 hours for 3 > days, skip 4-11 > (days), repeat 30 times. " > > my comments: remember, I believe Dr. Holmes does not choose DMPS for our > kids...Looks like using the new suggested protocol of DMSA + lipoic acid may > work well for your son. > But, I'm just a mom who reads what experts have stated.... Aly > > [ ] hair test results > > > till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's > office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo > vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing. > > arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1) > lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5) > > This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen > floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood > test. > > What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am > scared and shaking. Help! > > Barnhill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 , I would get yourself a copy of the 'position paper' that is up at a couple websites recently posted on this list and I would start supplementing with the various antioxidants to prepare his body for chelation. I would insist on chelating with DMSA (for the first stage at least), and whatever dose your doctor says to start at, it's probably way to high. Stat out very low and inch your way up. I would also suggest a urine challenge test. If your kid is mercury toxic but it has been more than a couple months since the exposure, it won't show up in the blood except with a chelation agent to pull it back into the blood. Below is a little explanation I put together got a couple of my doctors-feel free to use it if you'de like. Good luck, Chris Dr. *****, I have been learning quite a bit about mercury toxicity, and assessing for it. Apparently a lot of doctors blow it with regards to assessment. They apply ‘lead toxicity rules’ to mercury, and they apply acute, recent exposure thinking to this long ago exposure situation: 1. Mercury does not show up in hair unless the exposure is very recent. Some of the other toxic elements are well represented in hair. (I’m not completely sure which ones.) The significant ‘scatter’ in the essential elements is an indicator of toxicity. 2. Mercury presence cannot be assessed by blood test unless the exposure is very recent. (Lead can be.) The half-life for mercury in the blood is 1-2 months. 3.The chelator we are utilizing (DMSA) binds well (apparently) with just about all toxic metals except antimony. It will bind with what ever is easiest. High levels of toxic substances become evident in a roughly sequential order. Therefor, A LACK OF TOXIC MERCURY LEVEL IN THE URINE DOES NOT MEAN ONE DOES NOT HAVE TOXIC LEVELS. 4. The amount of heavy metal(s) in the urine is a function of not only what the chelator ‘pulls’ into the bloodstream, but also what the body’s excretion pathways can process. These pathways are known to be damaged by toxicity. 5. The individual ‘sensitivity’ (a genetic issue I believe…) to mercury varies hugely! Even if one could be confident (which one cannot) of having a representative test of the bodies’ load, one still cannot be confident if that is or is not significant with regards to toxicity (especially true when assessing toxicity in an infant/young child). 6. Apparently the only lab test that is pretty representative of mercury toxicity is a urinary porphyrin test-specifically precoproporphyrin. At this point no U.S. commercial lab runs this test. I believe the only thing that can be said with confidence, about Dougie’s DD toxic hair and urine tests, is that he has a significant amount of some toxic stuff, (so far at least, arsenic, nickel and mercury, maybe aluminum, antimony(see hair), cadmium, lead and tin also), with more very likely to be disclosed with future challenge tests. On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:36:32 -0500 K Barnhill <barnhill@...> writes: > till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's > office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo > vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing. > > arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1) > lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5) > > This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen > floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a > blood > test. > > What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I > am > scared and shaking. Help! > > Barnhill > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2000 Report Share Posted December 21, 2000 Does anyone know of a list that works with ADD/heavy metal issues with kids? Can anyone give me an idea of where she could research strontium, silver, cadmium and nickel? cadmium and nickel have similar effects to mercury, all are very neurotoxic, nickel is also very immunoreactive and carcinogenic. my paper on cognitive and behavioral effects of toxic metals has info on most of this. Vitamin Research News has info on successful treatment of autism and ADD through nutritional means, www.vrp.com note that studies have found that most autism and ADD are in kids genetically susceptible to toxic metal effects and detox problems whose detox systems are overwhelmed by high metals exposure, so avoidance of exposure is important as well as treatment. And zinc deficiencies or utilization problems are often a factor. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2001 Report Share Posted January 21, 2001 Results from Great Plains Lab. Aluminum 16 Antimony 0.1 Lead 0.39 Mercury 0.15 Uranium 0.13 Tin 0.41 Titanium 7.6 Vanadium 0.36 Magnesium 920 There are others that were tested, but these are the one's I was concerned about. Can anyone help?? Thank you. I'm not familiar with this labs methods and ref. limits which you didn't give, but it looks like at least 2 or 3 including aluminum and uranium are high and mercury is a good posibility also. The levels of other minerals would tell you more about that. You might look into a round of DMSA 50 mg every 4 hours with a urine metals test. I suspect you'll find problem levels for several things. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2001 Report Share Posted March 10, 2001 tin 7.3 reference range 0-6 nickel 17 reference range 0-12 lead 7 reference range 0-15 cadmium 1.2 reference range 0-2 arsenic 57 reference range 0-100 I'd appreciate any input. Thanks, I haven't seen previous test results but the tin and nickel levels are problematic and likely from current exposures. they are in packaging, processed food, nickel is is chocolate and soy I hear; nickel also in dental materials(stainless steel, etc.). You might consider where the exposure is coming from, since your son is apparently suscepatable to these and has detox problems. An the levels of the others though below upper reference are not harmless; the exposures all add up. I don't have any experience with ALA. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 I can send my daughter's info if it will help. Bernie, you are the one who alerted me to the fact that she might be affected by this disaster. I am puzzled as to why my calcium is in the high range and hers is so low (109). Also, my zinc is very high and hers is very low (59). I discontinued breastfeeding when I rec'd these results, which is not an easy task for a toddler. But I am convinced that she has rec'd all of the benefits and to continue to breastfeed would just add more of my toxic load to her little body. This is so scary. I don't know where to start. I am going to get my fillings removed in the next few months, to the tune of $10,000. I guess I will wait a few months and re-test her hair. I don't want to give her anything risky, but I might try the cilantro pesto and some chlorella. YOUR ADVICE IS MOST WELCOME!! tracey **************** are these all of the minerals they did for you?? some usually done are missing, sodium, potassium, lithium, phosphous, etc. You results are marginal, but several fairly high like aluminum, arsenic, nickel, as well as copper. With the several out of balance minerals, I would not be surprised if your mercury body burden is pretty high. Mercury vapor doesn't show up reliably in hair test, leaves the blood very rapidly. Breast feeding lowers Mom's blood level as well, significantly. To cost $10,000 to replace you must have several metal crowns to replace. In leau of breast feeding, colostrum supplements like 4-life often help the immune system. What symptoms does your daughter have?? I'd like to see more of her test results. It looks like she almost surely has some toxic levels though, and I would consider DMSA chelation if she has significant symptoms. I started my son at 25 mg every 4 hours using DMSA obtained from www.vrp.com Then move up to 50 mg if its going ok. Getting a urine metals screen during chelation would be helpful. Need other supplements as I mentioned before supporting the system whether do chelation or not. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2001 Report Share Posted June 28, 2001 the last 2 people who have posted test results only gave metal levels and left out essential mineral levels, which are as important in the evaluation in the metals. Its important to know essential mineral deficiencies and imbalances and tells more about mercury than the mercury level. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Marty, A mom's amalgams is a common source of mercury exposure(and silver, copper,etc.) and such exposures can not only cause neurological effects but also damage the detox system which has implications for future effects. Rhogam also can be a factor in this. The high mercury and possibly copper sound like likely problems, along with some of the low essential minerals. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 Caleb, Were these test results with or without a challange? If without, the mercury, arsenic, nickel are a bit high- could be a problem. You didn't give enough info on mineral balances to evaluate based on them. Didn't you get some other results also? Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 These results were without a challenge. I'm hoping to be able to have the results scanned in to CPU today and send to your email and see what you think. That's why I haven't got the results in front of me right now only what i scribbled down the other night. What other minerals would be helpful and maybe i can remember. Thanks Bernie and thanks for the reply regarding the Cavitations. Unfortunately the closest Cavitat is in New Zealand so a 100% diagnosis would involve a plane trip and holiday i can't afford. Thanks Bernie! > Caleb, > Were these test results with or without a challange? If without, the mercury, arsenic, nickel are a bit high- could be a problem. You didn't give enough info on mineral balances to evaluate based on them. > Didn't you get some other results also? > Bernie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2002 Report Share Posted May 12, 2002 <<Bernie wrote, in part: >> >Caleb, > Were these test results with or without a challange? I have never heard of a challenged HAIR test, and I do not think it makes any difference. (I have heard of challenged urine tests.) Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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