hair test results

[Guest guest]

till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's

office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo

vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing.

arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1)

lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5)

This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen

floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood

test.

What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am

scared and shaking. Help!

Barnhill

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I was shaken for days after seeing my daughter's hair analysis report -

also high lead - AND high mercury, too. But look at the bright side - your

child can't help but improve once you get the toxic metals out! (-: You

have a clear and treatable diagnosis: lead toxicity. that's a good thing,

right?

Hang in there. My daughter's just begun her 4th cycle of chelation and

she's doing swell. Just start with a low dose for your child's sake - and

for your peace of mind, too.

[ ] hair test results

> till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's

> office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo

> vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing.

>

> arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1)

> lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5)

>

> This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen

> floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood

> test.

>

> What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am

> scared and shaking. Help!

>

> Barnhill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I haven't gotten my son's hair test back yet - but I'm sure I may have the

same reaction when I do see his results. Looking at the archieves of this

list, Cutler,

a Chemist & person who had Mercury toxicity, recommended the following for

high lead and migh arsenic (see Message 1157 of the archieves under

egroups)

" Lead: DMSA every 4 hours for 3-7 days, skip at least as long, repeat for

3 - 6 months. "

" Arsenic: as for mercury, but it works faster and better. "

" Mercury - lipoic acid with optionally DMSA or DMPS every 3 hours for 3

days, skip 4-11

(days), repeat 30 times. "

my comments: remember, I believe Dr. Holmes does not choose DMPS for our

kids...Looks like using the new suggested protocol of DMSA + lipoic acid may

work well for your son.

But, I'm just a mom who reads what experts have stated.... Aly

[ ] hair test results

till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's

office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo

vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing.

arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1)

lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5)

This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen

floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a blood

test.

What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I am

scared and shaking. Help!

Barnhill

[Guest guest]

-Somewhere in the archives, I believe that Andy agreed with Amy that

DMPS wasn't for kids. Adults detoxing is different than kids....

I may be wrong, but, someone will tell me that if I am...LOL

ann

-- In egroups, " Aly " <tafa@g...> wrote:

> ,

>

> I haven't gotten my son's hair test back yet - but I'm sure I may

have the

> same reaction when I do see his results. Looking at the archieves

of this

> list, Cutler,

> a Chemist & person who had Mercury toxicity, recommended the

following for

> high lead and migh arsenic (see Message 1157 of the archieves under

> egroups)

>

> " Lead: DMSA every 4 hours for 3-7 days, skip at least as long,

repeat for

> 3 - 6 months. "

>

> " Arsenic: as for mercury, but it works faster and better. "

>

> " Mercury - lipoic acid with optionally DMSA or DMPS every 3 hours

for 3

> days, skip 4-11

> (days), repeat 30 times. "

>

> my comments: remember, I believe Dr. Holmes does not choose DMPS

for our

> kids...Looks like using the new suggested protocol of DMSA + lipoic

acid may

> work well for your son.

> But, I'm just a mom who reads what experts have stated.... Aly

>

> [ ] hair test results

>

>

> till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my

osteopath's

> office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo

> vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing.

>

> arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1)

> lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5)

>

> This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen

> floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a

blood

> test.

>

> What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I

am

> scared and shaking. Help!

>

> Barnhill

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would get yourself a copy of the 'position paper' that is up at a

couple websites recently posted on this list and I would start

supplementing with the various antioxidants to prepare his body for

chelation. I would insist on chelating with DMSA (for the first stage at

least), and whatever dose your doctor says to start at, it's probably way

to high. Stat out very low and inch your way up. I would also suggest a

urine challenge test. If your kid is mercury toxic but it has been more

than a couple months since the exposure, it won't show up in the blood

except with a chelation agent to pull it back into the blood. Below is a

little explanation I put together got a couple of my doctors-feel free to

use it if you'de like.

Good luck,

Chris

Dr. *****,

I have been learning quite a bit about mercury toxicity, and assessing

for it.

Apparently a lot of doctors blow it with regards to assessment. They

apply ‘lead toxicity rules’ to mercury, and they apply acute, recent

exposure thinking to this long ago exposure situation:

1. Mercury does not show up in hair unless the exposure is very recent.

Some of the other toxic elements are well represented in hair. (I’m

not completely sure which ones.) The significant ‘scatter’ in the

essential elements is an indicator of toxicity.

2. Mercury presence cannot be assessed by blood test unless the exposure

is very recent. (Lead can be.) The half-life for mercury in the blood

is 1-2 months.

3.The chelator we are utilizing (DMSA) binds well (apparently) with just

about all toxic metals except antimony. It will bind with what ever is

easiest. High levels of toxic substances become evident in a roughly

sequential order. Therefor, A LACK OF TOXIC MERCURY LEVEL IN THE URINE

DOES NOT MEAN ONE DOES NOT HAVE TOXIC LEVELS.

4. The amount of heavy metal(s) in the urine is a function of not only

what the chelator ‘pulls’ into the bloodstream, but also what the body’s

excretion pathways can process. These pathways are known to be damaged

by toxicity.

5. The individual ‘sensitivity’ (a genetic issue I believe…) to mercury

varies hugely! Even if one could be confident (which one cannot) of

having a representative test of the bodies’ load, one still cannot be

confident if that is or is not significant with regards to toxicity

(especially true when assessing toxicity in an infant/young child).

6. Apparently the only lab test that is pretty representative of mercury

toxicity is a urinary porphyrin test-specifically precoproporphyrin. At

this point no U.S. commercial lab runs this test.

I believe the only thing that can be said with confidence, about Dougie’s

DD toxic hair and urine tests, is that he has a significant amount of

some toxic stuff, (so far at least, arsenic, nickel and mercury, maybe

aluminum, antimony(see hair), cadmium, lead and tin also), with more very

likely to be disclosed with future challenge tests.

On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:36:32 -0500 K Barnhill <barnhill@...> writes:

> till shaking from the call I received moments ago from my osteopath's

> office. I convinced him to order a hair test for my 12 mo old (2 mo

> vaccines only), which he strongly counseled would show nothing.

>

> arsenic: 2.26 (range: 0-0.1)

> lead: 7.26 (range: 0-0.5)

>

> This sounds terribly familiar to some of the numbers I have seen

> floating here in recent months. Help! He now wants to order a

> blood

> test.

>

> What do I do next? I KNEW this was the issue, now faced with it I

> am

> scared and shaking. Help!

>

> Barnhill

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Does anyone know of a list that works with ADD/heavy metal issues

with kids? Can anyone give me an idea of where she could research

strontium, silver, cadmium and nickel?

cadmium and nickel have similar effects to mercury, all are

very neurotoxic,

nickel is also very immunoreactive and carcinogenic. my paper on

cognitive and behavioral effects of toxic metals has info on most of

this. Vitamin Research News has

info on successful treatment of autism and ADD through nutritional

means,

www.vrp.com

note that studies have found that most autism and ADD are in kids

genetically susceptible to toxic metal effects and detox problems whose

detox systems are overwhelmed by high metals exposure, so avoidance of

exposure is important as well as treatment. And zinc deficiencies or

utilization problems are often a factor.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Results from Great Plains Lab.

Aluminum 16

Antimony 0.1

Lead 0.39

Mercury 0.15

Uranium 0.13

Tin 0.41

Titanium 7.6

Vanadium 0.36

Magnesium 920

There are others that were tested, but these are the one's I was

concerned about. Can anyone help?? Thank you.

I'm not familiar with this labs methods and ref. limits which

you didn't give, but

it looks like at least 2 or 3 including aluminum and uranium are high

and mercury is a good posibility also. The levels of other minerals

would tell you more about that.

You might look into a round of DMSA 50 mg every 4 hours with a urine

metals test.

I suspect you'll find problem levels for several things.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

tin 7.3 reference range 0-6

nickel 17 reference range 0-12

lead 7 reference range 0-15

cadmium 1.2 reference range 0-2

arsenic 57 reference range 0-100

I'd appreciate any input. Thanks,

I haven't seen previous test results but the tin and nickel levels are

problematic and likely from current exposures. they are in packaging,

processed food, nickel is is chocolate and soy I hear; nickel also in

dental materials(stainless steel, etc.). You might consider where

the exposure is coming from, since your son is apparently suscepatable

to these and has detox problems. An the levels of the others though

below upper reference are not harmless; the exposures all add up.

I don't have any experience with ALA.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

I can send my daughter's info if it will help. Bernie, you are the one

who

alerted me to the fact that she might be affected by this disaster. I

am

puzzled as to why my calcium is in the high range and hers is so low

(109).

Also, my zinc is very high and hers is very low (59). I discontinued

breastfeeding when I rec'd these results, which is not an easy task for

a

toddler. But I am convinced that she has rec'd all of the benefits and

to

continue to breastfeed would just add more of my toxic load to her

little

body. This is so scary. I don't know where to start. I am going to

get my

fillings removed in the next few months, to the tune of $10,000. I

guess I

will wait a few months and re-test her hair. I don't want to give her

anything risky, but I might try the cilantro pesto and some chlorella.

YOUR ADVICE IS MOST WELCOME!!

tracey

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are these all of the minerals they did for you?? some usually

done are missing,

sodium, potassium, lithium, phosphous, etc. You results are

marginal, but several fairly high like aluminum, arsenic, nickel, as

well as copper. With the several out of balance minerals, I would

not be surprised if your mercury body burden is pretty high. Mercury

vapor doesn't show up reliably in hair test, leaves the blood very

rapidly. Breast feeding lowers Mom's blood level as well,

significantly. To cost $10,000 to replace you must have several metal

crowns to replace.

In leau of breast feeding, colostrum supplements like 4-life often help

the immune system. What symptoms does your daughter have?? I'd

like to see more of her test results. It looks like she almost

surely has some toxic levels though, and I would consider DMSA chelation

if she has significant symptoms. I started my son at 25 mg every 4

hours using DMSA obtained from www.vrp.com Then move up to

50 mg if its going ok. Getting a urine metals screen during

chelation would be helpful. Need other supplements as I mentioned

before supporting the system whether do chelation or not.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

the last 2 people who have posted test results only gave metal

levels and left out essential mineral levels,

which are as important in the evaluation in the metals. Its

important to know essential mineral deficiencies and imbalances and

tells more about mercury than the mercury level.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Marty,

A mom's amalgams is a common source of mercury exposure(and silver,

copper,etc.) and such exposures can not only cause neurological effects but

also damage the detox system which has implications for future effects.

Rhogam also can be a factor in this.

The high mercury and possibly copper sound like likely problems, along with some

of the low essential minerals.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Caleb,

Were these test results with or without a challange? If without, the

mercury, arsenic, nickel are a bit high- could be a problem. You didn't give

enough info on mineral balances to evaluate based on them.

Didn't you get some other results also?

Bernie

[Guest guest]

These results were without a challenge. I'm hoping to be able to have

the results scanned in to CPU today and send to your email and see what

you think. That's why I haven't got the results in front of me right

now only what i scribbled down the other night. What other minerals

would be helpful and maybe i can remember. Thanks Bernie and thanks for

the reply regarding the Cavitations. Unfortunately the closest Cavitat

is in New Zealand so a 100% diagnosis would involve a plane trip and

holiday i can't afford. Thanks Bernie!

> Caleb,

> Were these test results with or without a challange? If without, the

mercury, arsenic, nickel are a bit high- could be a problem. You didn't give

enough info on mineral balances to evaluate based on them.

> Didn't you get some other results also?

> Bernie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<Bernie wrote, in part: >>

>Caleb,

> Were these test results with or without a challange?

I have never heard of a challenged HAIR test, and I do

not think it makes any difference. (I have heard of

challenged urine tests.)

Moria