Re: Please help...

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<< e played on this in order

to get me to have the surgery right away. I do not look forward to

going through the pain again, so began preparing the for the surgery, until

I came across this GB flush information in the internet. I am supposed

to have surgery later this week, and would love to avoid it. Someone

please help me out here. >>

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Steve, please check out this website. This guy, Dr. Mercola, is an

osteopathic doctor. Again, I can't advise you not to have surgery. But I

did give my story. This has to come direclty from you.

Here is the link below:

http://www.mercola.com/1999/oct/24/gallstone_treatment.htm

After you read this article, if you'll go to the top right-hand side by

" search, " you can key in " gallstones, " and you'll pull up many more articles

by this doctor.

Hope it goes well for you.

Take care,

Susie

P.S. If you decide to do the cleanse, I've just finished my 10th. There was

no pain. Now, I don't know if this doctor's recipe works as good, so I stuck

with Dr. 's recipe.

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Steve

I am doing my fourth cleanse today and I can tell you that I have experienced

NO PAIN AT ALL. either during or after the cleanse.

You have a choice to make. You can TRY to save your gallbladder or

you can do nothing and have it removed anyway. Right? The worst case scenario

is that you are in the hospital a couple of days early for removal. The

best case scenario is that you will save yourself the pain of surgery and

keep your gallbladder intact.

I hope that you can understand why nobody here wants to tell you what

to do. All we can do in good conscience is to tell you our experiences

and you have to go from there.

Steve Barwick wrote:

Hi,

I am brand new to this list, and posted earlier, and as yet no one has

responded.

I am due to go in for GB surgery later this week, and am desperate to

avoid it. I have found this list, and other places on the internet

with info on the gallbladder flush. However, I am a bit fearful,

because of negative information on the flush that I found while searching

the internet. Here is an example of what I found that has me fearful

of trying the gallbladder flush. This is from an M.D.'s web site.

I would deeply appreciate it if anyone would comment on the following:

"Swallowing several ounces of pure olive oil at one sitting makes

for a very large, fatty meal - and such a great load of fat could potentially

trigger a sustained, severe contraction of the gallbladder. If there

are actual stones contained inside the gallbladder, such a forceful contraction

could result in an excruciating bout of right upper quadrant abdominal

pain for the owner of the gallbladder - and a possible unplanned trip

to the operating room for an emergency cholecystectomy (removal of

the gallbladder)."

Again, I sure would appreciate it if anyone with experience in using

the GB flush would comment on the likelihood of this happening. The

pain involved in the four GB attacks I've had over the past few weeks has

been tremendous, and of course the doctors have played on this in order

to get me to have the surgery right away. I do not look forward to

going through the pain again, so began preparing the for the surgery, until

I came across this GB flush information in the internet. I am supposed

to have surgery later this week, and would love to avoid it. Someone

please help me out here.

Regards,

Steve Barwick

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Alright !!!! Way to go!!! Nice work mom - way to be proactive for you

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Rhonda:

Sorry to hear about your pain. There have been recent studies that have

linked the onset of autoimmune diseases with childbirth. It has something to

do with your immune system getting confused with leftover stuff from the baby

in your own system and then not being able to tell the difference as to what

is foreign and what is not. This confusion seems to kick the immune system

into overdrive and can often be linked to instances of the onset of an

autoimmune disease. In my case, I had a very aggressive case of ulcerative

colitis. I did go into remission, but was diagnosed in the past 4 months with

RA.

There is help and now the rheumatologists like to treat the disease very

aggressively before you start to suffer bone loss and deformity. Find

yourself a good rheumatologist. They can start you on a regimen that can ease

your pain (and not just with anti-inflammatories or COX-2 inhibitors) and

actually stop the progression of the disease. I urge you to seek out someone

quickly. We all know the awful pain.

Good luck,

gloria

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Gloria, both my sister and I were diagnosed with RA post childbirth and have now been living with RA for 28 and 20 years respectively....

gloriarex@... wrote:

Rhonda:Sorry to hear about your pain. There have been recent studies that have linked the onset of autoimmune diseases with childbirth. It has something to do with your immune system getting confused with leftover stuff from the baby in your own system and then not being able to tell the difference as to what is foreign and what is not. This confusion seems to kick the immune system into overdrive and can often be linked to instances of the onset of an autoimmune disease. In my case, I had a very aggressive case of ulcerative colitis. I did go into remission, but was diagnosed in the past 4 months with RA. There is help and now the rheumatologists like to treat the disease very aggressively before you start to suffer bone loss and deformity. Find yourself a good rheumatologist. They can start you on a regimen that can ease your pain (and not just with anti-inflammatories or COX-2 inhibitors) and actually stop the progression of the disease. I urge you to seek out someone quickly. We all know the awful pain. Good luck,gloria

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Hi Rhonda

I am 32 & was diagnosed with RA 9 mths after the birth

of my 2nd son. There is a history of RA with both my

grandmothers. I started having the pain about 4 mths

after his birth (a normal birth) & it just steadily

got worse. When they did blood test it kept coming

back neg for RA. It took my rheumatalogist about 9

mths to confirm the diagnosis.

I first started on Vioxx which did give me relief for

a few mths & then the pain came back worse than

before. I now take Vioxx & Sulfasalzanine together, &

this works really well for me, the last couple of

months I have had no pain.

Hang in there & see a rheumatalogist as soon as

possible because they are the best to help you with

the pain

-----Original Message-----

From: rhonda_jenkins [mailto:rjenkins@...]

Sent: 02 August 2002 14:35

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: Please help...

Yesterday I went to the doctor. My mother has

rheumatoid arthritis

and her hands and feet are disfigured. She is 72. I

am 40. I have

had mild symptoms (achiness in my joints) off and on

for a couple

years but NOTHING like this! It hurts so bad! And

it's my whole

body and it's all the time. This really hit me this

hard about three

or four weeks ago. I had been trying for the past

month OTC meds

like Ibuprophen, Naproxen, and Tylenol. Nothing

touches this pain.

I am really starting to worry that it is something

else. Yesterday

I went to my family doctor finally because I could not

locate a

rheumatologist close to here. My family doctor said

it could be any

number of things (coelic disease, osteoporosis,

leukemia, cancer of

the bone, fibromyalgia, or a viral infection of the

bone). However,

she said it sounds like rheumatoid arthritis to her

and gave me

Celebrex to try until the results come back form my

bloodwork. She

said to take one (200mg) a day but I could take two a

day if I am

having a bad day. She said I should see results

shortly after I take

the first one. I took one at her office yesterday at

11AM.

Throughout the day I noticed no difference and I was

still in a LOT

of pain so at 8PM I took a second one but still

noticed no

difference. I took another when I got up this morning

but my body is

still throbbing. This is so painful I do not know if

I can stand

it! My entire body throbs 24 hours a day. This

constant non-

relenting pain is really starting to tax me out. I

cannot imagine

living another 50 years like this!

A little more info on me (could be related or not): As

I've said, my

mom has RA. I am 40. I had three daughters at the

ages of 17, 18,

and 23. I have enjoyed good health over the years and

always felt

young and spry. In 1999 I gave birth to my first son.

The pregnancy

went well but ended in a cesarean section. Three

months later I had

emergency gall bladder removal. Three months ago, in

April of this

year, I gave birth to my second son. He also was

delivered by

cesarean section. In the past three years I have felt

increasingly

exhausted and generally not well. I attributed this

to the birth of

my sons at a late age but now I am not so sure. Also,

I have been

overweight since puberty. I am right now 5'7 " and

weight 225

pounds.

Any help (especially what to do for this pain) would

be MUCH

appreciated!

~*~Rhonda~*~

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My doctor's office called and my blood work came back. They did a complete blood count which was normal so virus is ruled out. They did a renal profile so that means my kidneys and sugar level is ok. My thyroid is borderline low. My husband is taking me after work today to have more blood drawn for another more involved thyroid test. The results to find out if my arthritis is rheumatoid or not was sent to an outside lab and I won't get the results of that back for at least a week or two. I have been doing a lot of research in the past two days (I got the results back Monday). It would appear that I have Hypothyroid. You can read about that here: http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa042100b.htm. However, I am not so sure. I have a low TSH count which would suggest "hyper"thyroidism, not "hypo"thyroidism. Yet, I have almost EVERY symptom listed for "hypo". Apparently, however, they need to consider more than just the TSH count. At any rate, there IS something wrong and I need to find out what it is. At this point it is looking like it could be anything from rheumatoid arthritis, to a thyroid problem, to a pituitary disorder or tumor. So... I am having the bloodwork today and then I have an appointment with my family doctor again on Monday. I have heard horror stories of people who mess around with their family doctor for a year or more playing elimination of medications because they really are not specialized. A doctor at Hershey Medical Center was recommended to me as one of the top endocrinologists in the U.S. so I made an appointment with him. Of course the first opening they had for a new patient isn't until October! But that's ok. That will give me time to see how my family doctor is going to handle it. I also have an appointment with a rheumatologist. I am 99.9% certain that one of these areas is where the problems lie. It's either a pituitary problem or an autoimmune disease. So, I will be having a few doctor's appointments in the coming months. My hope is that since the rheumatologist and endocrinologist are specialists that they will recognize right away what the problem might be and be able to offer effective treatment right away.

~*~Rhonda~*~

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Rhonda wrote:

My doctor's office called and my blood work came back. They did a complete blood count which was normal so virus is ruled out. They did a renal profile so that means my kidneys and sugar level is ok. My thyroid is borderline low. My husband is taking me after work today to have more blood drawn for another more involved thyroid test. The results to find out if my arthritis is rheumatoid or not was sent to an outside lab and I won't get the results of that back for at least a week or two. I have been doing a lot of research in the past two days (I got the results back Monday). It would appear that I have Hypothyroid. You can read about that here: http://thyroid.about.com/library/weekly/aa042100b.htm. However, I am not so sure. I have a low TSH count which would suggest "hyper"thyroidism, not "hypo"thyroidism. Yet, I have almost EVERY symptom listed for "hypo". Apparently, however, they need to consider more than just the TSH count. At any rate, there IS something wrong and I need to find out what it is. At this point it is looking like it could be anything from rheumatoid arthritis, to a thyroid problem, to a pituitary disorder or tumor. So... I am having the bloodwork today and then I have an appointment with my family doctor again on Monday. I have heard horror stories of people who mess around with their family doctor for a year or more playing elimination of medications because they really are not specialized. A doctor at Hershey Medical Center was recommended to me as one of the top endocrinologists in the U.S. so I made an appointment with him. Of course the first opening they had for a new patient isn't until October! But that's ok. That will give me time to see how my family doctor is going to handle it. I also have an appointment with a rheumatologist. I am 99.9% certain that one of these areas is where the problems lie. It's either a pituitary problem or an autoimmune disease. So, I will be having a few doctor's appointments in the coming months. My hope is that since the rheumatologist and endocrinologist are specialists that they will recognize right away what the problem might be and be able to offer effective treatment right away.

~*~Rhonda~*~Rhonda, continue to be proactive! I hope you get some real answers soon.I make people look good and feel good naturally! Ask me how!