flu shot?

[Guest guest]

I've never taken a flu shot. At my job there are 5 people in our dept.

Free shots are offered every year and the rest rush to get them. Everyone

has been either very ill or had a lingering cough or I feel like cr--

situation going on since then. I'm the only one who has not been ill.

EJ

In a message dated 10/24/2009 10:40:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

doublaswalter@... writes:

Only with a gun to my head.

Cheers, Doug

Flu shot?

Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

[Guest guest]

Not me. Wouldn't come within 10 feet of it.

________________________________

From: healthyhopeful <akaiyuhi2000@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 9:46:54 PM

Subject: Flu shot?

Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Oh BTW, if someone tries to force you to take it and you don't want to, tell

them you are alergic to eggs. Apparently the vaccine is cultured in eggs.

>

> Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

>

[Guest guest]

CBS reveals US flu scam - Mercola

<http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/24/CBS-Reveals-that-\

Swine-Flu-Cases-Seriously-Overestimated.aspx>

> >

> > Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Only with a gun to my head.

Cheers, Doug

Flu shot?

Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

[Guest guest]

Last night I watched the news and they reported some poll which implied that

educated people weren't concerned with taking it but uneducated people were more

concerned.

Thanks, I was just curious if I was the only apparent Dumb-A who was freaked out

about taking it. Jen

>

> Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

>

[Guest guest]

You are not a dumb a who. At least you came here and asked and got some feedback

so that you can make an informed decision. But that is why I don't watch TV, too

much hype. phine

>

> Last night I watched the news and they reported some poll which implied that

educated people weren't concerned with taking it but uneducated people were more

concerned.

> Thanks, I was just curious if I was the only apparent Dumb-A who was freaked

out about taking it. Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Did you see the latest?

Obama Declares Swine Flu a National Emergency

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/24/health/AP-US-Obama-Swine-Flu.html?_r=\

1 & hp

phine

>

> Only with a gun to my head.

> Cheers, Doug

>

[Guest guest]

What a scam they're running! And this morning they kicked it up a

notch with stories that " Swine flu death toll is rising! " combined

with " swine flu vaccine shortage...huge lines of people desperate to

get shot! "

It's completely out of control and obviously a response to the growing

numbers of people educating themselves about this.

On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:41 AM, jlkinkona <josephine@...> wrote:

> Did you see the latest?

>

> Obama Declares Swine Flu a National Emergency

>

>

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/24/health/AP-US-Obama-Swine-Flu.html?_r=\

1 & hp

>

> phine

>

>

>>

>> Only with a gun to my head.

>> Cheers, Doug

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have received 4 links to the articles about this. All different. All four lick

up my computer and I have to literally shut down to clear it.

Cheers, doug

Re: Flu shot?

Did you see the latest?

Obama Declares Swine Flu a National Emergency

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/24/health/AP-US-Obama-Swine-Flu.html?_r=\

1 & hp

phine

>

> Only with a gun to my head.

> Cheers, Doug

>

[Guest guest]

" Not in a million years. " Ditto for us!

I just wrote a blog post with some good links, good arguments and good

documentation:

http://www.abroadincostarica.com/2009/10/vaccination-screed.html

If there's something you can use, please do. Thank you.

Sally

Costa Rica

[Guest guest]

your president Obama, has now signed a declaration of a State of emergency.

I hope you will not be mandated to take this vaccination..many sources of

information believe this is on the cards..so prepare for any eventuality..!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/24/obama-declares-hn-flu-national-emerge\

ncy/

ajd

[Guest guest]

No, and I am recommending to anyone I know not to get it. We are being used as

human guinea pigs. I take 2000 to 3000 iu of D per day, eat coconut oil, and I

also give my 14 year old daughter 400 to 1000 iu per day D. We try to eat

healthy. I think this is getting blown out of proportion. I know I am so sick

of seeing H1N1 in the news. People get sick and then they get better. A lot of

it is common sense. ie. washing your hands, staying away from sick people, etc.

>

> Just curious if anyone is getting the flu shot and/or the H1N1 vaccine? Jen

>

[Guest guest]

I recently received an email that said that if they try to force you to take

the vaccine to tell them you are allergic to eggs. It is made from eggs or

some thing to do with eggs. I will have to find the email and post it here

to the group. Sylvia

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:44 AM, vanadeux <vanadeux@...> wrote:

> your president Obama, has now signed a declaration of a State of emergency.

>

>

> I hope you will not be mandated to take this vaccination..many sources of

> information believe this is on the cards..so prepare for any eventuality..!

>

>

>

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/24/obama-declares-hn-flu-national-emerge\

ncy/

>

> ajd

>

>

[Guest guest]

Below is an essay by Doc Saul of Orthomolecular Medicine News

Service, which pertains to the discussion here.

Alobar

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009

Shots or Not?

The Plague, the Flu, and You

(OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone

worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said

about one of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague.

The Black Death. No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague

in the United States every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.

And yes, there is a vaccination for it.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044836.htm

So have you had your plague shot?

You haven't?

Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one? Do you know anyone who

has had a plague vaccination? Then why is there no plague epidemic?

And why is vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?

One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because

influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial,

and we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDC

http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html

specifies a considerable number of Vaccine Preventable Diseases

http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpd

which are bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial

meningitis, diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of

course, pertussis (whooping cough).

Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death,

the disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made

the list of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?

Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every

year from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average

about 10 to 15 per year. http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.html

Most cases are in the Southwest.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm

CDC states that " persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or

their fleas " in areas in which plague has occurred should be

vaccinated. That's right, it isn't just rats that carry the fleas that

carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats

and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found everywhere. Then why isn't

plague everywhere?

One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows

plague distribution in the US:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm

If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might

expect a fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana,

and Alabama. But there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it

is a confusing illness to say the least: how come almost all USA cases

are in the warm, dry Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the

1300s? Most of Europe is a lot cooler than the American southwest.

Indeed, too warm a climate may actually stop the spread of plague.

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902

Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't

migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The

Japanese beetle is an example. First discovered in the US in 1916, and

seemingly limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five

years it had spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey.

http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm

.. In far less than a human lifetime, these insects took over twenty

states, from Maine to Montana to South Carolina. Insects are

everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.

Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town

or farm is free of them.

What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and

practically no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease

killed 50 million people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics

ended. Somehow. The epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea,

every rodent or every house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by

antibiotics, nor were the epidemics stopped by mass vaccination.

Neither were available.

So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated

against the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it

spread in the past, killing at least one in four?

Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited

with such a victory.

If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.

Flu shots can have serious side effects. Perhaps even more

importantly, they are largely ineffective.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n17.shtml

There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can

utilize large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin,

thiamine (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity

of influenza. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtml

Many physicians consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an

antiviral that it may be considered the " other " immunization for a

variety influenza strains.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml

Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big

business. But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for

plague vaccination.

How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?

Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine

Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to

fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org

The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit

and non-commercial informational resource.

Editorial Review Board:

Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.

Damien Downing, M.D.

, D.Sc., Ph.D.

Steve Hickey, Ph.D.

A. , PhD

Bo H. Jonsson, MD, Ph.D

Levy, M.D., J.D.

R. Miranda-Massari, Pharm.D.

Paterson, M.D.

Gert E. Shuitemaker, Ph.D.

W. Saul, Ph.D., Editor and contact person. Email: omns@...

To Subscribe at no charge: http://www.orthomolecular.org/subscribe.html

[Guest guest]

Ok to share with my other groups? Thanks, Sylvia

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

> Below is an essay by Doc Saul of Orthomolecular Medicine News

> Service, which pertains to the discussion here.

>

> Alobar

>

> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009

>

> Shots or Not?

> The Plague, the Flu, and You

>

> (OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone

> worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said

> about one of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague.

> The Black Death. No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague

> in the United States every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.

>

> And yes, there is a vaccination for it.

> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00044836.htm

>

>

> So have you had your plague shot?

>

> You haven't?

>

> Why isn't your doctor urging you to get one? Do you know anyone who

> has had a plague vaccination? Then why is there no plague epidemic?

> And why is vaccination supposedly the only way to stop a flu epidemic?

>

> One proffered explanation is that the diseases are dissimilar, because

> influenza is viral, and plague is bacterial. But tetanus is bacterial,

> and we aggressively vaccinate against that. Indeed, the CDC

> http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html

>

> specifies a considerable number of Vaccine Preventable Diseases

> http://www.cdc.gov/ncird/dbd.html#meningvpd

>

> which are bacterial. These include, among others: anthrax, bacterial

> meningitis, diphtheria, Haemophilus influenzae serotype b, and, of

> course, pertussis (whooping cough).

>

> Plague is not even on the CDC's list. Wait a minute! The Black Death,

> the disease that killed at least a quarter of Europe, hasn't even made

> the list of Vaccine Preventable Diseases?

>

> Worldwide, there are over 2,000 cases, and hundreds of deaths, every

> year from the plague. In the United States, human plague cases average

> about 10 to 15 per year. http://www.dhpe.org/infect/plague.html

>

> Most cases are in the Southwest.

> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm

>

> CDC states that " persons who have regular contact with wild rodents or

> their fleas " in areas in which plague has occurred should be

> vaccinated. That's right, it isn't just rats that carry the fleas that

> carry the plague. Squirrels, mice, rabbits, coyotes, woodchucks, cats

> and dogs all carry fleas. Fleas are found everywhere. Then why isn't

> plague everywhere?

>

> One explanation is that plague is climate related. This map shows

> plague distribution in the US:

> http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/plagwest.htm

>

> If incidence were related merely to the heat of the day, we might

> expect a fair share of plague cases in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana,

> and Alabama. But there aren't. If plague is temperature-dependent, it

> is a confusing illness to say the least: how come almost all USA cases

> are in the warm, dry Southwest and yet plague decimated Europe in the

> 1300s? Most of Europe is a lot cooler than the American southwest.

> Indeed, too warm a climate may actually stop the spread of plague.

> http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL24636220080902

>

>

> Perhaps plague does not spread because disease-carrying insects don't

> migrate very much. You wish. Insects spread rather rapidly. The

> Japanese beetle is an example. First discovered in the US in 1916, and

> seemingly limited to a one-half square mile area, in less than five

> years it had spread to 213 square miles of New Jersey.

> http://www.mosquito.rutgers.edu/jb.htm

>

> . In far less than a human lifetime, these insects took over twenty

> states, from Maine to Montana to South Carolina. Insects are

> everywhere. That does not exclude fleas.

>

> Unfortunately, rats have spread everywhere, too. No major city, town

> or farm is free of them.

>

> What is striking about the plague is that it is still around and

> practically no one gets it. One must keep in mind that this disease

> killed 50 million people. Eventually, the great Black Death epidemics

> ended. Somehow. The epidemics were not stopped by killing every flea,

> every rodent or every house pet. The epidemics were not stopped by

> antibiotics, nor were the epidemics stopped by mass vaccination.

> Neither were available.

>

> So if you, and the entire population of the USA, are not vaccinated

> against the plague, why doesn't it spread now in 2009 the way it

> spread in the past, killing at least one in four?

>

> Generally, improved sanitation and improved nutrition are credited

> with such a victory.

>

> If these work with plague, they might make a rather big impact on the flu.

>

> Flu shots can have serious side effects. Perhaps even more

> importantly, they are largely ineffective.

> http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n17.shtml

>

>

> There is a ready alternative: to build up our immune systems, we can

> utilize large, orthomolecular doses of nutrients. Vitamin D, niacin,

> thiamine (vitamin B1), and vitamin C reduce the duration and severity

> of influenza. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v04n04.shtml

>

> Many physicians consider high doses of vitamin C to be so powerful an

> antiviral that it may be considered the " other " immunization for a

> variety influenza strains.

> http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n12.shtml

>

>

> Flu shots are big news, and not a few would say that they are big

> business. But there has been no governmental push whatsoever for

> plague vaccination.

>

> How come we supposedly need the one shot, and not the other?

>

> Nutritional Medicine is Orthomolecular Medicine

>

> Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to

> fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org

>

>

> The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit

> and non-commercial informational resource.

>

> Editorial Review Board:

>

> Carolyn Dean, M.D., N.D.

> Damien Downing, M.D.

> , D.Sc., Ph.D.

> Steve Hickey, Ph.D.

> A. , PhD

> Bo H. Jonsson, MD, Ph.D

> Levy, M.D., J.D.

> R. Miranda-Massari, Pharm.D.

> Paterson, M.D.

> Gert E. Shuitemaker, Ph.D.

>

> W. Saul, Ph.D., Editor and contact person. Email:

> omns@...

>

> To Subscribe at no charge: http://www.orthomolecular.org/subscribe.html

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great article, Alobar. Can you post the link? I can't find it on the website.

Thanks!

Sally

Costa Rica

>

> Below is an essay by Doc Saul of Orthomolecular Medicine News

> Service, which pertains to the discussion here.

>

> Alobar

>

> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>

> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009

>

> Shots or Not?

> The Plague, the Flu, and You

[Guest guest]

Info comes from the newsletter, so I have no URL.

Alobar

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:43 PM, abroadincostarica

<saratica@...> wrote:

> Great article, Alobar. Can you post the link? I can't find it on the website.

Thanks!

> Sally

> Costa Rica

>

>

>

>>

>> Below is an essay by Doc Saul of Orthomolecular Medicine  News

>> Service, which pertains to the discussion here.

>>

>> Alobar

>>

>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>>

>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

>> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009

>>

>> Shots or Not?

>> The Plague, the Flu, and You

>

>

[Guest guest]

The newsletter stated that permission to repost is granted so long as

you post the whole article.

Alobar

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:57 PM, SYLVIA PRICE <LadyofYorkies@...> wrote:

> Ok to share with my other groups? Thanks, Sylvia

>

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

>> Below is an essay by Doc Saul of Orthomolecular Medicine  News

>> Service, which pertains to the discussion here.

>>

>> Alobar

>>

>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>>

>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

>> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 27, 2009

>>

>> Shots or Not?

>> The Plague, the Flu, and You

>>

>> (OMNS, October 27, 2009) Swine flu. Bird flu. The media has everyone

>> worrying about epidemics and pandemics. Yet there is nothing said

>> about one of the great communicable diseases of all time: the plague.

>> The Black Death. No, it is not extinct. There are new cases of plague

>> in the United States every year, totaling over 400 cases since 1950.

[Guest guest]

I just came upon scary information. Go to link to sign the petition.

Alobar

Challenging Obama's Dangerous " Health Emergency "

New Presidential " National Health Emergency "

Gives HHS Secretary Sebelius Power to Send People

to Hospital-Administered Concentration Camps

The Health Emergency declaration which President Obama signed on

Friday, October 23, 2009 gives appointed, NOT elected, HHS Secretary

Sebelius the power to suspend your right to:

* Habeus Corpus

* Make your own health decisions

* Informed consent

* Leave a health care facility if you wish to

* Abslute assurance that you will not " Eugenicized " , that is,

killed for the convenience of the State as is now happening in the UK

There is no redress or appeal built into this power so that, once

taken to a distant holding facility, a " patient " has no way out of

that facility until s/he is released at the whim of the State or

carried out feet first (or cremated?). Hospitals will have the ability

to designate you as a patient and hold you at a distant facility.

Your rights under the Declaration are suspended. Rather like inmates

at Guantanamo, I should think.

In fact, despite the fact that there is no Swine Flu health emergency,

this Declaration puts the US on a par with Nazi Germany and Stalinist

Russia where the tyrants who declared war on their own people used the

structures of the system to " justify " and " legitimize " their assault

on the life, location and liberty of their citizens.

The Declaration gives appointed, not elected, Secretary Sebelius power

which the military, for example, NorthCom, will back.

Hard to swallow as it may be, providing this authority to itself means

that the US Government now has its excuse to institute the corralling

and culling of anyone it chooses.

The First Amendment of the US Constitution gives us the right to

petition the government for the redress of grievances. The

Declaration of Health Emergency, which the White House spinmeisters

say is simply and " administrative " action, is certainly a grievance.

Please submit the Petition for the Redress of Grievances below once

for each member of your house hold and then forward this information

to the largest possible number of people to create the same kind of

effective Push Back that caused Secretaries Napolitano and Sebelius to

call off the Pandemic itself last week.

We told you that the other side would be back. They are. We told you

that our Push Back is the strongest took to keep them stepping

backwards. It is, but only if you take action and mobilize everyone

you can reach to do the same.

Yours in health and freedom,

Dr. Rima

Rima E. Laibow, MD

Medical Director

Natural Solutions Foundation

www.HealthFreedomUSA.org

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=\

1610

[Guest guest]

We are definitely getting the flu shots, already had the seasonal flu shot and

waiting for H1N1 to be available - we are asking for the preservative free type,

which most drug stores and doctors should be able to order. My feelings on this

is that the ill effects of the disease will far outweight any risk from

receiving the vaccine. The last time my husband had a viral infection

(bronchitits) he had a serious setback in his Alzheimer's battle that took a

couple of months to recover from. The soreness and mild achiness and slight

fever that some people have in the days following the vaccine are not from the

virus but rather the body's immune system reacting to the vaccine - increasing

defenses against a future attack by the live virus. We are also eating well

with plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables and other supplements, such as

vitamin Es and C, and fish oils for the anti-oxidant properties.

[Guest guest]

When you turn yourself into a flu vector with the shots, do you intend to settle

into quartantine for a week or so or are you going to go about your business,

shedding live viruses in your community?

Duncan

>

> We are definitely getting the flu shots, already had the seasonal flu shot and

waiting for H1N1 to be available - we are asking for the preservative free type,

which most drug stores and doctors should be able to order. My feelings on this

is that the ill effects of the disease will far outweight any risk from

receiving the vaccine. The last time my husband had a viral infection

(bronchitits) he had a serious setback in his Alzheimer's battle that took a

couple of months to recover from. The soreness and mild achiness and slight

fever that some people have in the days following the vaccine are not from the

virus but rather the body's immune system reacting to the vaccine - increasing

defenses against a future attack by the live virus. We are also eating well

with plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables and other supplements, such as

vitamin Es and C, and fish oils for the anti-oxidant properties.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ONe thing that works really well, better than vitamin C is Vitamin D. Experts

say to take about 5000IU per day during the winter. I am definitely NOT get any

flu shots of any kind, but I will be keeping my vitamin D levels up this winter.

I did last year and I barely even got cold the whole season. I buy my vitamin D

from Puritan's Pride; they have deals.

Article on how much vitamin D to take:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-\

Reveal-the-Truth.aspx

Steve

>

> We are definitely getting the flu shots, already had the seasonal flu shot and

waiting for H1N1 to be available - we are asking for the preservative free type,

which most drug stores and doctors should be able to order. My feelings on this

is that the ill effects of the disease will far outweight any risk from

receiving the vaccine. The last time my husband had a viral infection

(bronchitits) he had a serious setback in his Alzheimer's battle that took a

couple of months to recover from. The soreness and mild achiness and slight

fever that some people have in the days following the vaccine are not from the

virus but rather the body's immune system reacting to the vaccine - increasing

defenses against a future attack by the live virus. We are also eating well

with plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables and other supplements, such as

vitamin Es and C, and fish oils for the anti-oxidant properties.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> We are definitely getting the flu shots, already had the seasonal

> flu shot and waiting for H1N1 to be available - we are asking for

> the preservative free type, which most drug stores and doctors

> should be able to order.

== Are you a doctor? Maybe you can point us to the studies that prove vaccines

are safe and effective? I haven't found any. Or to studies that show

definitively that there is no link between autism and mercury? Those would be

nice to see. Surely you are not recommending vaccines before personally

reviewing that research. It is a well-known fact that Big Pharma hires

ghostwriters to write articles for medical journals, and this is what most

doctors rely on when making " informed " decisions for their patients.

> My feelings on this is that the ill effects of the disease will far

> outweight any risk from receiving the vaccine.

== That is not true according to all recent reports of the disease and any

indepth research at all on the subject of vaccines.

> The last time my husband had a viral infection (bronchitits) he had

> a serious setback in his Alzheimer's battle that took a couple of

> months to recover from.

== I am very sorry your husband had to suffer this. But otherwise healthy people

are unlikely to suffer this same reaction.

> The soreness and mild achiness and slight fever that some people

> have in the days following the vaccine are not from the virus but

> rather the body's immune system reacting to the vaccine -

> increasing defenses against a future attack by the live virus.

== Vaccine-induced immunity is, in fact, short-lived, whereas natural immunity -

the kind you get from having the illness - is life long. The swine flu is, for

the vast majority of sufferers, mild. I would rather have a few days of mild flu

gaining life long immunity then be injected with a vial full of known poisons

and toxins, even preservative free. Risk/reward.

> We are also eating well with plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables

> and other supplements, such as vitamin Es and C, and fish oils for

> the anti-oxidant properties.

== They say a good offense is the best defense. Btw, great article in the

Atlantic on " Do Vaccines Really Matter? " here:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200911/brownlee-h1n1

Sally

Costa Rica

[Guest guest]

I went to the mercola link below and was unable to read the article. A

pop-up appeared requiring subscription or registration.....that is the

first time I've seen that.

sol

Steve wrote:

> ONe thing that works really well, better than vitamin C is Vitamin D. Experts

say to take about 5000IU per day during the winter. I am definitely NOT get any

flu shots of any kind, but I will be keeping my vitamin D levels up this winter.

I did last year and I barely even got cold the whole season. I buy my vitamin D

from Puritan's Pride; they have deals.

>

> Article on how much vitamin D to take:

>

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/10/Vitamin-D-Experts-\

Reveal-the-Truth.aspx