Re: Re: i would like to know more about neurofeedback,please

[Guest guest]

Noel, I have just got a bipolar client. What type of success do you find these clients.

Connie Re: i would like to know more about neurofeedback,please

MihaelaI work with a whole lot of bipolar clients, and I have never had one single person go away worse after a session. That paragraph you read was written by someone who knows only a little nfb. The only time this would happen is if the person was trained at the wrong sites and frequencies. In which case the practitioner would 'fix' the problem at the next session. Do not let this turn you off neurofeedback.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist LearnwiseCanberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.comPsychology, Counselling, Neurofeedback, Fast ForWordBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer; Getting Started in Bioexplorer; Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer, Neurofeedback systems.

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[Guest guest]

Miha,I'm guessing that what you read either was--or was taken from--Larry Hirschberg's informed consent form, which says, " In individuals who are vulnerable to bipolar disorder or who may have the underlying condition of bipolar disorder but have not yet had a manic episode, there have been reports that neurofeedback can initiate a first manic episode. This is similar to anti-depressant medication, which can also initiate a manic episode when the vulnerability is present. "

Essentially what I understand this to mean is that if you have a tendency toward mania but have covered it over with depression, then when you do something that affects the depression, it's possible that you'll release that tendency.  Thus not only NF but even anti-depressant meds can do it.  I also stumbled across an account of a guy who was dealing with his depression by studying Aikido--and experienced his first manic episode during an especially powerful Aikido session.

I always like to remind clients that we have a tendency to get what we focus on--good or bad.  You are so concerned that history of bipolar issues in your family means you too will have them and, as I mentioned in my last email, that by itself can stress you, increase depression and potentially produce a manic burst.  Train toward what you want--the positive changes in your mood, performance, behavior, etc.--rather than trying so hard to avoid something you don't want.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Mihaela G <georgescu76@...> wrote:

 

thank you,Pete.

I already started neurofeedback in London,i did 3 session already,feels much better;though this week my anxiety arisen again and i couldnt sleep at night.

I hopefully in some time,after doing more sessions i should feel so much better;i really believe in this.

In my reading over the internet i come across one paragraph where is saying people who might have a predisposition to bipolar disorder,might get their first manic episode???doing neurofeedback??that scared me even worst,but im determined to do the sessions until the end and feel good and normal person again.

thank you so much for your feedback,

MIha

[Guest guest]

thank you for your input.

my biggest fear is about manic episode,so when i saw it is a probability if you are vulnerable(because of my dad episode),i stressed my self even more and cancel the NF sessions and flying back to my country to go on antianxiety drugs.

maybe one day i will be more courageous to do the NF until at the end(iam so sorry iam giving up on this,but in my case could be to tricky).

thank you so much for your nice ,good words.

MIhaela

thank you,Pete.I already started neurofeedback in London,i did 3 session already,feels much better;though this week my anxiety arisen again and i couldnt sleep at night.I hopefully in some time,after doing more sessions i should feel so much better;i really believe in this.In my reading over the internet i come across one paragraph where is saying people who might have a predisposition to bipolar disorder,might get their first manic episode???doing neurofeedback??that scared me even worst,but im determined to do the sessions until the end and feel good and normal person again.thank you so much for your feedback,MIha

[Guest guest]

Wow.Well, it's important to do what you are comfortable with.  I read the Hirschberg informed consent to say, " there have been reports that neurofeedback can initiate a first manic episode. "   You read that as a probability.  We don't know how many " reports " are involved, who made them or anything about them. I couldn't find anything except that informed consent statement when I searched for them.

Please don't read any of the informed consent material on anti-anxiety drugs!  I wish you some relief from your fear, wherever you can find it. Best of luck to you, and I hope that someday you'll be able to give NF a try again.

-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Mihaela scu <georgescu76@...> wrote:

 

thank you for your input.

my biggest fear is about manic episode,so when i saw it is a probability if you are vulnerable(because of my dad episode),i stressed my self even more and cancel the NF sessions and flying back to my country to go on antianxiety drugs.

maybe one day i will be more courageous to do the NF until at the end(iam so sorry iam giving up on this,but in my case could be to tricky).

thank you so much for your nice ,good words.

MIhaela

[Guest guest]

thank you ,.

Believe me i really want to try this neurofeedback,but the anxiety is so big.

Do you really think i should give it a try?the anxiety is quite strong in my case,but i want to do something,except anxiety drugs,which dont do to much well,just keeps the person on some kind of level.

Please,give me a encouragement into this issue.

thank you a million,

Mihaela

thank you for your input.

my biggest fear is about manic episode,so when i saw it is a probability if you are vulnerable(because of my dad episode),i stressed my self even more and cancel the NF sessions and flying back to my country to go on antianxiety drugs.

maybe one day i will be more courageous to do the NF until at the end(iam so sorry iam giving up on this,but in my case could be to tricky).

thank you so much for your nice ,good words.

MIhaela

[Guest guest]

Mihaela,One thing that I learned long ago is that people attract what they focus on.  If you go into a course of NF with a huge fear that you will have a manic episode (because your father had manic episodes), they I would almost guarantee that you will!  If the fear is that strong, talk with whoever you were going to train with and see what they have to say.  If they are uncomfortable with having you so afraid, then go home and start the anti-anxiety meds and let yourself get ready for NF.  As Noel wrote in his post to you, there are ways to train to minimize the likelihood of moving a client toward mania, but it would be a good idea to find someone who had some experience with that population.

I know that the hardest thing to do when you are anxious or depressed is to believe that anything good can actually happen to change the way your mind works, but it happens a lot. You have focused almost entirely on a future in which you are manic like your father.  I would try to get you to find another vision of yourself, a happy and stable and functional you that is not paralyzed by fear.  Imagine yourself like that and connect that new you in your mind with doing good training.  When you are able to do that, you'll have an excellent chance of getting great results.

Keep us posted.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160

BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mihaela scu <georgescu76@...> wrote:

 

thank you ,.

Believe me i really want to try this neurofeedback,but the anxiety is so big.

Do you really think i should give it a try?the anxiety is quite strong in my case,but i want to do something,except anxiety drugs,which dont do to much well,just keeps the person on some kind of level.

Please,give me a encouragement into this issue.

thank you a million,

Mihaela

 

thank you for your input.

my biggest fear is about manic episode,so when i saw it is a probability if you are vulnerable(because of my dad episode),i stressed my self even more and cancel the NF sessions and flying back to my country to go on antianxiety drugs.

maybe one day i will be more courageous to do the NF until at the end(iam so sorry iam giving up on this,but in my case could be to tricky).

thank you so much for your nice ,good words.

MIhaela