Re: Dominance

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Hi Noel, you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel EastwoodSent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist LearnwiseCanberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.comPsychology, Counselling, Neurofeedback, Fast ForWordBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer; Getting Started in Bioexplorer; Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer, Neurofeedback systems.IMPORTANT:This email remains the property of Learnwise and Noel Eastwood Psychology. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, distribution or reproduction of this email is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email.

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Hi NatjaI have never been able to tell the difference, even those left handers who can do nothing with their right hand could still have left brain dominance like a right hander.I do as you have done, look at eye, foot, hand, scissors, etc. but because we live in a right handed world, left handers are more dexterous than right handers and appear to be possible right handers.I did read some research on left handers who had a low muscle tone in their shoulders, this was supposed to indicate they were really right handers. Not sure where this research came from.So, what I do now, is after questioning as above, I will usually train 6 minutes as a left hander, which is right brain dominance, and see how they feel. It takes a few sessions but it is absolutely essential to work this out asap. And it is not all that painful, 6 minutes is

a short enough time to work this out. Good luck with your client too.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist LearnwiseCanberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.comPsychology, Counselling,

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Natja,Somewhere near 92% of the population is right-handed, which means they will be left-dominant for language.Of the natural lefties, about 85% of them are also left-dominant for language.So the percentage of truly right-dominant clients you would find in the population in general would be about 1.2%.

There is a much higher percentage (especially if you work with ADD/ADHD issues) of mixed dominant or incomplete dominant clients.  They use one hand for writing, the other for throwing, eating, etc.  You don't really need to test much to see this, as they (and/or parents) will readily report it.  In these cases the brain has never made the decision which side will be dominant and (especially in younger clients) you may find letter/number reversal or even stuttering.

The Othmers did a piece of research (never published) in the early 90's which I always found very interesting. They started from the position that they had no idea what would change when the brain was changed (in the sensory-motor cortex), so they measured everything they could think of before and after around 30 sessions of (probably) SMR.  They used the tapping test of lateral dominance and discovered, much to their surprise, that only about 50% of their group was right-handed, about 30% were left-handed and the rest were mixed.  Then they did their training without any special training to aid in dominance.  At the end, when they remeasured, they found about 85% were now right-handed, 15% left-handed, and all of the incomplete dominance had resolved.  In other words, not only did the brains which had not yet made a decision pick a team; a number of the left-handers switched and become right-handed.

The only way I've ever identified the fairly rare right-dominant-for-language clients I've worked with (who will all be straight left-handers) is to train them, though I often look at the assessment if I have a question.  If the client's theta/beta ratio activates (drops) more strongly at task on the right side than on the left, then I'll keep a special eye out for this.  When a client has " backwards " results from training beta on the left or SMR on the right, then I'll try reversing them.  In the cases where I've found that this works, I assume the dominance is reversed.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote:

 

Hi Noel, you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja

 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel Eastwood

Sent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients

   Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.

I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.

I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist Learnwise

Canberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.com

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Hi Pete,Thanks for your reply. I have just posted another mail replying to Noel. It looks as if the number of ‘lefties’ with right brain dominance might be higher than 15%. Anyway, does not really matter. Interesting what you say about the Othmer research. Thanks for the tip with the ratio while activating, will definitely look for that in future for my left handed clients, as this would be the first measurable indication of brains being organized differently. I understand that one would still have to check how they react to the training. This is very helpful. Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlcSent: 24 January 2011 09:47 AM Subject: Re: Dominance Natja,Somewhere near 92% of the population is right-handed, which means they will be left-dominant for language.Of the natural lefties, about 85% of them are also left-dominant for language.So the percentage of truly right-dominant clients you would find in the population in general would be about 1.2%.There is a much higher percentage (especially if you work with ADD/ADHD issues) of mixed dominant or incomplete dominant clients. They use one hand for writing, the other for throwing, eating, etc. You don't really need to test much to see this, as they (and/or parents) will readily report it. In these cases the brain has never made the decision which side will be dominant and (especially in younger clients) you may find letter/number reversal or even stuttering.The Othmers did a piece of research (never published) in the early 90's which I always found very interesting. They started from the position that they had no idea what would change when the brain was changed (in the sensory-motor cortex), so they measured everything they could think of before and after around 30 sessions of (probably) SMR. They used the tapping test of lateral dominance and discovered, much to their surprise, that only about 50% of their group was right-handed, about 30% were left-handed and the rest were mixed. Then they did their training without any special training to aid in dominance. At the end, when they remeasured, they found about 85% were now right-handed, 15% left-handed, and all of the incomplete dominance had resolved. In other words, not only did the brains which had not yet made a decision pick a team; a number of the left-handers switched and become right-handed.The only way I've ever identified the fairly rare right-dominant-for-language clients I've worked with (who will all be straight left-handers) is to train them, though I often look at the assessment if I have a question. If the client's theta/beta ratio activates (drops) more strongly at task on the right side than on the left, then I'll keep a special eye out for this. When a client has " backwards " results from training beta on the left or SMR on the right, then I'll try reversing them. In the cases where I've found that this works, I assume the dominance is reversed.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote: Hi Noel, you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel EastwoodSent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist LearnwiseCanberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.comPsychology, Counselling, Neurofeedback, Fast ForWordBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer; Getting Started in Bioexplorer; Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer, Neurofeedback systems.IMPORTANT:This email remains the property of Learnwise and Noel Eastwood Psychology. 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Hi Pete, I have checked the C3 and C4 activation with this left handed boy today and had the following results and have to add that he always deactivates under task:RestC3 ratioC4 ratio 2,572.66Under task3.63.3 How would you interpret this, he deactivates under task on both sides, however it is worse at C3? Another question: How do you train a child that deactivates under task, do you let them do a task while training? He has improved slowly but very steadily over 40 sessions and the ratios have come down nicely but not enough yet.Thanks from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlcSent: 24 January 2011 09:47 AM Subject: Re: Dominance Natja,Somewhere near 92% of the population is right-handed, which means they will be left-dominant for language.Of the natural lefties, about 85% of them are also left-dominant for language.So the percentage of truly right-dominant clients you would find in the population in general would be about 1.2%.There is a much higher percentage (especially if you work with ADD/ADHD issues) of mixed dominant or incomplete dominant clients. They use one hand for writing, the other for throwing, eating, etc. You don't really need to test much to see this, as they (and/or parents) will readily report it. In these cases the brain has never made the decision which side will be dominant and (especially in younger clients) you may find letter/number reversal or even stuttering.The Othmers did a piece of research (never published) in the early 90's which I always found very interesting. They started from the position that they had no idea what would change when the brain was changed (in the sensory-motor cortex), so they measured everything they could think of before and after around 30 sessions of (probably) SMR. They used the tapping test of lateral dominance and discovered, much to their surprise, that only about 50% of their group was right-handed, about 30% were left-handed and the rest were mixed. Then they did their training without any special training to aid in dominance. At the end, when they remeasured, they found about 85% were now right-handed, 15% left-handed, and all of the incomplete dominance had resolved. In other words, not only did the brains which had not yet made a decision pick a team; a number of the left-handers switched and become right-handed.The only way I've ever identified the fairly rare right-dominant-for-language clients I've worked with (who will all be straight left-handers) is to train them, though I often look at the assessment if I have a question. If the client's theta/beta ratio activates (drops) more strongly at task on the right side than on the left, then I'll keep a special eye out for this. When a client has " backwards " results from training beta on the left or SMR on the right, then I'll try reversing them. In the cases where I've found that this works, I assume the dominance is reversed.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote: Hi Noel, you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel EastwoodSent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist LearnwiseCanberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.comPsychology, Counselling, Neurofeedback, Fast ForWordBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer; Getting Started in Bioexplorer; Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer, Neurofeedback systems.IMPORTANT:This email remains the property of Learnwise and Noel Eastwood Psychology. 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Natja,If the first number is eyes open, it looks more like a left side dominance.  The area that tries to do more (in an " out-of-shape " brain) will be the one which tends to deactivate more, so that would also suggest left side.

Think of this boy if he were physically out of condition--e.g. unable to produce cardiopulmonary energy effectively.  When he goes out to play football with some friends, his heart will speed up and his breathing pattern change, just as with his friends.  He'll run just like they do.  For perhaps 30 seconds or a minute.  Then, when his body runs through its ability to supply blood fast enough, he will slow down and then stop.  That's de-activating.  If you want to get him in shape, you could do it by taking him out and playing football with him, but any kind of aerobic exercise you did consistently over time would also change cardiorespiratory capacity.  As that happened, his ability to continue playing football for a longer time would improve--even if you never practiced playing it.

This is probably an excellent candidate for HEG in the prefrontals and C3 training (perhaps combined with C4 SMR) as described in our video on training ADHD without an assessment. http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=82

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On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote:

 

Hi Pete, I have checked the C3 and C4 activation with this left handed boy today and had the following results and have to add that he always deactivates under task:

Rest

C3 ratio

C4 ratio 

2,57

2.66

Under task

3.6

3.3 

How would you interpret this, he deactivates under task on both sides, however it is worse at C3?  

Another question: How do you train a child that deactivates under task, do you let them do a task while training?

He has improved slowly but very steadily over 40 sessions and the ratios have come down nicely but not enough yet.Thanks from Natja

  

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc

Sent: 24 January 2011 09:47 AM Subject: Re: Dominance

   Natja,Somewhere near 92% of the population is right-handed, which means they will be left-dominant for language.Of the natural lefties, about 85% of them are also left-dominant for language.

So the percentage of truly right-dominant clients you would find in the population in general would be about 1.2%.There is a much higher percentage (especially if you work with ADD/ADHD issues) of mixed dominant or incomplete dominant clients.  They use one hand for writing, the other for throwing, eating, etc.  You don't really need to test much to see this, as they (and/or parents) will readily report it.  In these cases the brain has never made the decision which side will be dominant and (especially in younger clients) you may find letter/number reversal or even stuttering.

The Othmers did a piece of research (never published) in the early 90's which I always found very interesting. They started from the position that they had no idea what would change when the brain was changed (in the sensory-motor cortex), so they measured everything they could think of before and after around 30 sessions of (probably) SMR.  They used the tapping test of lateral dominance and discovered, much to their surprise, that only about 50% of their group was right-handed, about 30% were left-handed and the rest were mixed.  Then they did their training without any special training to aid in dominance.  At the end, when they remeasured, they found about 85% were now right-handed, 15% left-handed, and all of the incomplete dominance had resolved.  In other words, not only did the brains which had not yet made a decision pick a team; a number of the left-handers switched and become right-handed.

The only way I've ever identified the fairly rare right-dominant-for-language clients I've worked with (who will all be straight left-handers) is to train them, though I often look at the assessment if I have a question.  If the client's theta/beta ratio activates (drops) more strongly at task on the right side than on the left, then I'll keep a special eye out for this.  When a client has " backwards " results from training beta on the left or SMR on the right, then I'll try reversing them.  In the cases where I've found that this works, I assume the dominance is reversed.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160

BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote:

  Hi Noel,

you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja

 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel Eastwood

Sent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients

   Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.

I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.

I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist Learnwise

Canberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.com

Psychology, Counselling, Neurofeedback, Fast ForWordBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer; Getting Started in Bioexplorer; Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer, Neurofeedback systems.

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Hi Pete, thanks for the reply and explanation. Makes all sense to me. Have done about 8 sessions of pIR with this boy already, it helped for a while. Am currently busy with C3 and C4 training. Will keep on trying. Should I do more pIR with him? One question is still unanswered :-). What do you do with children who deactivate under task, do you let them do a task while doing the training or do you do just normal training?Thanks a lot from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlcSent: 24 January 2011 07:10 PM Subject: Re: Dominance Natja,If the first number is eyes open, it looks more like a left side dominance. The area that tries to do more (in an " out-of-shape " brain) will be the one which tends to deactivate more, so that would also suggest left side.Think of this boy if he were physically out of condition--e.g. unable to produce cardiopulmonary energy effectively. When he goes out to play football with some friends, his heart will speed up and his breathing pattern change, just as with his friends. He'll run just like they do. For perhaps 30 seconds or a minute. Then, when his body runs through its ability to supply blood fast enough, he will slow down and then stop. That's de-activating. If you want to get him in shape, you could do it by taking him out and playing football with him, but any kind of aerobic exercise you did consistently over time would also change cardiorespiratory capacity. As that happened, his ability to continue playing football for a longer time would improve--even if you never practiced playing it.This is probably an excellent candidate for HEG in the prefrontals and C3 training (perhaps combined with C4 SMR) as described in our video on training ADHD without an assessment. http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=82Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote: Hi Pete, I have checked the C3 and C4 activation with this left handed boy today and had the following results and have to add that he always deactivates under task:RestC3 ratioC4 ratio 2,572.66Under task3.63.3 How would you interpret this, he deactivates under task on both sides, however it is worse at C3? Another question: How do you train a child that deactivates under task, do you let them do a task while training? He has improved slowly but very steadily over 40 sessions and the ratios have come down nicely but not enough yet.Thanks from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlcSent: 24 January 2011 09:47 AM Subject: Re: Dominance Natja,Somewhere near 92% of the population is right-handed, which means they will be left-dominant for language.Of the natural lefties, about 85% of them are also left-dominant for language.So the percentage of truly right-dominant clients you would find in the population in general would be about 1.2%.There is a much higher percentage (especially if you work with ADD/ADHD issues) of mixed dominant or incomplete dominant clients. They use one hand for writing, the other for throwing, eating, etc. You don't really need to test much to see this, as they (and/or parents) will readily report it. In these cases the brain has never made the decision which side will be dominant and (especially in younger clients) you may find letter/number reversal or even stuttering.The Othmers did a piece of research (never published) in the early 90's which I always found very interesting. They started from the position that they had no idea what would change when the brain was changed (in the sensory-motor cortex), so they measured everything they could think of before and after around 30 sessions of (probably) SMR. They used the tapping test of lateral dominance and discovered, much to their surprise, that only about 50% of their group was right-handed, about 30% were left-handed and the rest were mixed. Then they did their training without any special training to aid in dominance. At the end, when they remeasured, they found about 85% were now right-handed, 15% left-handed, and all of the incomplete dominance had resolved. In other words, not only did the brains which had not yet made a decision pick a team; a number of the left-handers switched and become right-handed.The only way I've ever identified the fairly rare right-dominant-for-language clients I've worked with (who will all be straight left-handers) is to train them, though I often look at the assessment if I have a question. If the client's theta/beta ratio activates (drops) more strongly at task on the right side than on the left, then I'll keep a special eye out for this. When a client has " backwards " results from training beta on the left or SMR on the right, then I'll try reversing them. In the cases where I've found that this works, I assume the dominance is reversed.Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote: Hi Noel, you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Noel EastwoodSent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist LearnwiseCanberra, AustraliaPh: 02 6162 0914Fax: 02 6162 0915Web: www.learnwiseaustralia.comPsychology, Counselling, Neurofeedback, Fast ForWordBioexplorer Training videos:- Creating your own Basic Protocols in Bioexplorer; Getting Started in Bioexplorer; Running and Screening Your Session in Bioexplorer, Neurofeedback systems.IMPORTANT:This email remains the property of Learnwise and Noel Eastwood Psychology. 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Natja,I wrote:Think of this boy if he were physically out of condition--e.g. unable to

produce cardiopulmonary energy effectively.  When he goes out to play football with some friends, his heart will speed up and his breathing pattern change, just as with his friends.  He'll run just like they do. 

For perhaps 30 seconds or a minute.  Then, when his body runs through its ability to supply blood fast enough, he will slow down and then stop.  That's de-activating.  If you want to get him in shape, you could

do it by taking him out and playing football with him, but any kind of aerobic exercise you did consistently over time would also change cardiorespiratory capacity.  As that happened, his ability to continue playing football for a longer time would improve--even if you never practiced playing it.I was trying to imply that any training you do to speed up the brain will have an effect when you are doing a task.  It doesn't hurt to train to task (I would generally do maybe 3-5 minute segment of task training once or twice in a session.)

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160BR 47 3346 6235

The Learning Curve, Inc.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote:

 

Hi Pete, thanks for the reply and explanation. Makes all sense to me. Have done about 8 sessions of pIR with this boy already, it helped for a while. Am currently busy with C3 and C4 training. Will keep on trying. Should I do more pIR with him?

One question is still unanswered :-). What do you do with children who deactivate under task, do you let them do a task while doing the training or do you do just normal training?

Thanks a lot from Natja 

 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc

Sent: 24 January 2011 07:10 PM Subject: Re: Dominance

   Natja,If the first number is eyes open, it looks more like a left side dominance.  The area that tries to do more (in an " out-of-shape " brain) will be the one which tends to deactivate more, so that would also suggest left side.

Think of this boy if he were physically out of condition--e.g. unable to produce cardiopulmonary energy effectively.  When he goes out to play football with some friends, his heart will speed up and his breathing pattern change, just as with his friends.  He'll run just like they do.  For perhaps 30 seconds or a minute.  Then, when his body runs through its ability to supply blood fast enough, he will slow down and then stop.  That's de-activating.  If you want to get him in shape, you could do it by taking him out and playing football with him, but any kind of aerobic exercise you did consistently over time would also change cardiorespiratory capacity.  As that happened, his ability to continue playing football for a longer time would improve--even if you never practiced playing it.

This is probably an excellent candidate for HEG in the prefrontals and C3 training (perhaps combined with C4 SMR) as described in our video on training ADHD without an assessment. http://www.brain-trainer.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl?shop=get_item & item_id=82

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BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote:

  Hi Pete,

I have checked the C3 and C4 activation with this left handed boy today and had the following results and have to add that he always deactivates under task:

Rest

C3 ratio

C4 ratio 

2,57

2.66

Under task

3.6

3.3 

How would you interpret this, he deactivates under task on both sides, however it is worse at C3?

 Another question: How do you train a child that deactivates under task, do you let them do a task while training?

He has improved slowly but very steadily over 40 sessions and the ratios have come down nicely but not enough yet.

Thanks from Natja

  

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of pvdtlc

Sent: 24 January 2011 09:47 AM Subject: Re: Dominance

   Natja,Somewhere near 92% of the population is right-handed, which means they will be left-dominant for language.

Of the natural lefties, about 85% of them are also left-dominant for language.So the percentage of truly right-dominant clients you would find in the population in general would be about 1.2%.There is a much higher percentage (especially if you work with ADD/ADHD issues) of mixed dominant or incomplete dominant clients.  They use one hand for writing, the other for throwing, eating, etc.  You don't really need to test much to see this, as they (and/or parents) will readily report it.  In these cases the brain has never made the decision which side will be dominant and (especially in younger clients) you may find letter/number reversal or even stuttering.

The Othmers did a piece of research (never published) in the early 90's which I always found very interesting. They started from the position that they had no idea what would change when the brain was changed (in the sensory-motor cortex), so they measured everything they could think of before and after around 30 sessions of (probably) SMR.  They used the tapping test of lateral dominance and discovered, much to their surprise, that only about 50% of their group was right-handed, about 30% were left-handed and the rest were mixed.  Then they did their training without any special training to aid in dominance.  At the end, when they remeasured, they found about 85% were now right-handed, 15% left-handed, and all of the incomplete dominance had resolved.  In other words, not only did the brains which had not yet made a decision pick a team; a number of the left-handers switched and become right-handed.

The only way I've ever identified the fairly rare right-dominant-for-language clients I've worked with (who will all be straight left-handers) is to train them, though I often look at the assessment if I have a question.  If the client's theta/beta ratio activates (drops) more strongly at task on the right side than on the left, then I'll keep a special eye out for this.  When a client has " backwards " results from training beta on the left or SMR on the right, then I'll try reversing them.  In the cases where I've found that this works, I assume the dominance is reversed.

Pete-- Van Deusenpvdtlc@...http://www.brain-trainer.comUSA 305 433 3160

BR 47 3346 6235The Learning Curve, Inc.On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:57 AM, Natja du Preez <natjadp@...> wrote:

  Hi Noel,

you mentioned in your reply to Connie that you try to determine brain dominance with your clients. How and with which kind of tests and questions do you assess which side of the brain is dominant? That would really interest me as I have one boy who is left handed, left eyed, left eared and I am suspecting that he has also right brain dominance. Thanks a lot from Natja

 

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Sent: 23 January 2011 03:49 AM Subject: Bipolar clients

   Hi Connieit is much easier working with someone who suffers bipolar than some other clients, they desperately want to get better. In my experience the general problem lies in over-arousal of the non dominant hemisphere, in most that is the right side. Some, who have had it for years and years have need for some left side training.

I start with intake assessment and a brain map, and lots of questions to determine dominance and symptoms. Then it is usually T4-Fp2 to reduce the debilitating anxiety they experience. If needed I will add some T3 at 15-20 Hz reward (inhibit 3-11 and 22-35 Hz) as this will lift them up if there is depression.

I would say that T4-Fp2 is better tolerated than C4, it is that safe.RegardsNoel EastwoodPsychologist Learnwise

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Cool discussion on dominance...it makes me think of a book called " The Dominance

Factor " by Carla Hannaford, PhD, a biologist and educator. It's an easy read,

and gives ways of determining dominant eye, ear, foot, brain, hand. Once these

are determined, you compare them to a chart which puts the different

combinations of dominances into specific profiles. Each profile then lists

things that will assist learning for someone with that profile.

I had heard or read the book has apparently been used in some schools, to assess

kids and offer more individualized learning approaches. Incidences of

behavioral problems decreased.

It's kind of a fun tool, and is inexpensive, as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Dominance-Factor-Knowing-Dominant-Learning/dp/0915556316/r\

ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & qid=1295970437 & sr=8-1

-Gretchen