Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Ms Sandrock, You are on 1. Strong moral ground, and 2. Strong legal ground. 1. So heinous is participating or assisting (or referring or…) in abortion that, at my last check of canon law several years ago, it was still an excommunication offense in the Church. I have no such training as a JCL, of course. 2. The purpose of the pro-life “Conscience Protection” laws signed during the Bush administration were to specifically prevent any employee nurse or doctor or health professional from having to participate in abortion. These are federal. States also have various protection laws. They do not require one to be a Catholic. Many other Christians, other religions and groups also prohibit abortion. Ex: Muslims also call abortion murder – see the current debate in Turkey (Wall Street Journal June 5, 2012). Federal info on laws: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/04/protection-of-health-care-providers-right-of-conscience-what-federal-law-says: These include the 2008 Bush admin regulations, the 2004 Weldon Amendment, Public Health Service Act Section 245, and the Church Amendments of the 1970s. Here is a site that lists the STATE conscience protection laws: http://www.consciencelaws.org/laws/usa/law-usa-02.html There was just a large civil suit in New York upholding a nurse’s right to refuse to assist. Your hospital’s legal dept will likely know all about this. That should be a start. It is sad that it even comes to this. High regards, , MD Front Royal, VA From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sandrock Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: Fw: Assistance and prayers please I need some assistance and prayers please. I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of " intimidating " the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up... The other staff that night were also " Catholic " , and so my stance is also being questioned. Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later. Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance. Thanks Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Get in touch with the group in Michigan that handles these kinds of lawsuits. You will need them. McGrathSent from my Verizon Wireless Phone RE: Conscience Protection Ms Sandrock,You are on 1. Strong moral ground, and 2. Strong legal ground. 1. So heinous is participating or assisting (or referring or…) in abortion that, at my last check of canon law several years ago, it was still an excommunicationoffense in the Church. I have no such training as a JCL, of course. 2. The purpose of the pro-life “Conscience Protection” laws signed during the Bush administration were to specifically prevent any employee nurse ordoctor or health professional from having to participate in abortion. These are federal. States also have various protection laws. They do not require one to be a Catholic. Many other Christians, other religions and groups also prohibit abortion. Ex:Muslims also call abortion murder – see the current debate in Turkey (Wall Street Journal June 5, 2012). Federal info on laws:http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/04/protection-of-health-care-providers-right-of-conscience-what-federal-law-says:These include the 2008 Bush admin regulations, the 2004 Weldon Amendment, Public Health Service Act Section 245, and the Church Amendments of the 1970s.Here is a site that lists the STATE conscience protection laws:http://www.consciencelaws.org/laws/usa/law-usa-02.html There was just a large civil suit in New York upholding a nurse’s right to refuse to assist. Your hospital’s legal dept will likely know all about this. That should be a start. It is sad that it even comes to this. High regards, , MDFront Royal, VA From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of SandrockSent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: Fw: Assistance and prayers please I need some assistance and prayers please.I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refusedas well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of " intimidating " the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying abouttheir unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up...The other staff that night were also " Catholic " , and so my stance is also being questioned.Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later.Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance.Thanks Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSNSent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 If anyone is trying to argue that it this not a matter of Catholic conscience, then Canon 1398 is clear: " A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. " The code of canon law in English can be found at http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM It's clearly a serious matter of religious belief if acting in this way leads to the highest religious sanction available being incurred. Against this, one could try to argue that Canon 1323 excludes excommunication where one acts under fear or coercion (er, one has to read several parts of that canon to get the full picture); so colleagues of lesser seniority or courage may have an excuse. However it would be a foolhardy employer who sought to bolster a case against you case against you by stating that other Catholic employees had been coerced and in fear, so you should be coerced and in fear too! Aldred On 14 June 2012 15:52, , <fdennehy@...> wrote: > > > > Ms Sandrock, > > You are on 1. Strong moral ground, and 2. Strong legal ground. > > 1. So heinous is participating or assisting (or referring or…) in abortion that, at my last check of canon law several years ago, it was still an excommunication offense in the Church. I have no such training as a JCL, of course. > > 2. The purpose of the pro-life “Conscience Protection” laws signed during the Bush administration were to specifically prevent any employee nurse or doctor or health professional from having to participate in abortion. These are federal. States also have various protection laws. They do not require one to be a Catholic. Many other Christians, other religions and groups also prohibit abortion. Ex: Muslims also call abortion murder – see the current debate in Turkey (Wall Street Journal June 5, 2012). > > Federal info on laws: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/04/protection-of-health-care-provi\ ders-right-of-conscience-what-federal-law-says: > > These include the 2008 Bush admin regulations, the 2004 Weldon Amendment, Public Health Service Act Section 245, and the Church Amendments of the 1970s. > > Here is a site that lists the STATE conscience protection laws: http://www.consciencelaws.org/laws/usa/law-usa-02.html > > > > There was just a large civil suit in New York upholding a nurse’s right to refuse to assist. Your hospital’s legal dept will likely know all about this. > > > > That should be a start. It is sad that it even comes to this. > > > > High regards, > > , MD > > Front Royal, VA > > > > > > From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sandrock > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:46 PM > > Subject: Fw: Assistance and prayers please > > > > > > > > > > I need some assistance and prayers please. > > I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of " intimidating " the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up... > > The other staff that night were also " Catholic " , and so my stance is also being questioned. > > Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later. > > Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance. > > Thanks > Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Fantastic. This is helpful for all of us. Fw: Assistance and prayers please > > > > > > > > > > I need some assistance and prayers please. > > I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of " intimidating " the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up... > > The other staff that night were also " Catholic " , and so my stance is also being questioned. > > Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later. > > Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance. > > Thanks > Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 : As you may know, one of my husband's professional interests is conscience protection (one reason we have an unlisted phone number!). He saw your original message and suggests you get in touch with Matt Bowman of the Alliance Defense Fund, mbowman@... or 202-393-8690 ext. 1915, for legal advice. I can't begin to tell you how appalled I am that this ever came up . . . Lee Ann Doerflingerwife of From: fdennehy@...Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:52:36 +0000Subject: RE: Conscience Protection Ms Sandrock, You are on 1. Strong moral ground, and 2. Strong legal ground. 1. So heinous is participating or assisting (or referring or…) in abortion that, at my last check of canon law several years ago, it was still an excommunication offense in the Church. I have no such training as a JCL, of course. 2. The purpose of the pro-life “Conscience Protection” laws signed during the Bush administration were to specifically prevent any employee nurse or doctor or health professional from having to participate in abortion. These are federal. States also have various protection laws. They do not require one to be a Catholic. Many other Christians, other religions and groups also prohibit abortion. Ex: Muslims also call abortion murder – see the current debate in Turkey (Wall Street Journal June 5, 2012). Federal info on laws: http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/04/protection-of-health-care-providers-right-of-conscience-what-federal-law-says: These include the 2008 Bush admin regulations, the 2004 Weldon Amendment, Public Health Service Act Section 245, and the Church Amendments of the 1970s. Here is a site that lists the STATE conscience protection laws: http://www.consciencelaws.org/laws/usa/law-usa-02.html There was just a large civil suit in New York upholding a nurse’s right to refuse to assist. Your hospital’s legal dept will likely know all about this. That should be a start. It is sad that it even comes to this. High regards, , MD Front Royal, VA From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sandrock Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: Fw: Assistance and prayers please I need some assistance and prayers please. I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of "intimidating" the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up... The other staff that night were also "Catholic", and so my stance is also being questioned. Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later. Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance. Thanks Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Dear Dr. , thank you for your informative response. Is there another link however to the federal conscience protections you reference at the Heritage Organization? That link doesnt seem to work anymore. The state protections link does work and thanks again for listing these. If the federal government weakened current federal conscience laws, would state laws trump federal law? or vice versa? I am referring here to the right to refuse contraception, and not just the right to refuse to participate in abortions. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: ", " <fdennehy@...> "' '" < > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Conscience Protection Fantastic. This is helpful for all of us. Fw: Assistance and prayers please > > > > > > > > > > I need some assistance and prayers please. > > I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of "intimidating" the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up... > > The other staff that night were also "Catholic", and so my stance is also being questioned. > > Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later. > > Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance. > > Thanks > Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Hmmm. You are correct. Go towww.heritage.org, then top right: search “Conscience Protection†– the article is part way down list of results “…What Federal Law says†From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of BameSent: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Conscience Protection Dear Dr. , thank you for your informative response. Is there another link however to the federal conscience protections you reference at the Heritage Organization?That link doesnt seem to work anymore. The state protections link does work and thanks again for listing these. If the federal government weakened current federal conscience laws, would state laws trump federal law? or vice versa? I am referring here to theright to refuse contraception, and not just the right to refuse to participate in abortions. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: " , " <fdennehy@...> " ' ' " < >Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:16 AMSubject: RE: Conscience Protection Fantastic. This is helpful for all of us. Fw: Assistance and prayers please>>>>>>>>>> I need some assistance and prayers please.>> I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refusedas well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of " intimidating " the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying abouttheir unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up...>> The other staff that night were also " Catholic " , and so my stance is also being questioned.>> Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later.>> Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance.>> Thanks> Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID>>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 , , Bob and any other FPs in the group,I am considering submitting a resolution to the DC and American Academy of Family Physicians asking them to advocate for physician conscience protection rights. Would any of you like to join in and help me? I can send you the resolution I introduced last year about fertility awareness education as an example. On that note, I am also considering a resolution asking the academy to include information about the various NFP methods on their patient education web-site. So let me know if you want to help write that one as well. Also, if any of you can introduce the same or similar resolutions through your state academies that would be great.For me, I will need to submit these resolutions to the DC AFP by July 3rd, so I would need any feedback from those interested in helping by July 1st.To limit e-mail traffic on the NFP list serve, please e-mail me by this Monday night if you are interested in helping and I will send the sample resolution and some suggested language for these two proposed ones to you directly.Sincerely,Marguerite Duane Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 15, 2012, at 11:54 AM, ", " <fdennehy@...> wrote: Hmmm. You are correct. Go to www.heritage.org, then top right: search “Conscience Protection†– the article is part way down list of results “…What Federal Law says†From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Bame Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Conscience Protection Dear Dr. , thank you for your informative response. Is there another link however to the federal conscience protections you reference at the Heritage Organization? That link doesnt seem to work anymore. The state protections link does work and thanks again for listing these. If the federal government weakened current federal conscience laws, would state laws trump federal law? or vice versa? I am referring here to the right to refuse contraception, and not just the right to refuse to participate in abortions. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: ", " <fdennehy@...> "' '" < > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:16 AM Subject: RE: Conscience Protection Fantastic. This is helpful for all of us. Fw: Assistance and prayers please > > > > > > > > > > I need some assistance and prayers please. > > I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of "intimidating" the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up... > > The other staff that night were also "Catholic", and so my stance is also being questioned. > > Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later. > > Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance. > > Thanks > Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Let's get the nurses associations doing the same thing. We are at the front line talking to patients. We need all organizations to open their eyes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Fw: Assistance and prayers please>>>>>>>>>> I need some assistance and prayers please.>> I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refusedas well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of "intimidating" the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying abouttheir unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up...>> The other staff that night were also "Catholic", and so my stance is also being questioned.>> Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later.>> Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance.>> Thanks> Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID>>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Marguerite,I’m in. I can submit the same resolution you draft from Florida—I really don’t think this will be all that controversial from our academy—although our delegates are pretty liberal.bob From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of MargueriteSent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:17 AM Cc: MotleySubject: Re: Conscience Protection , , Bob and any other FPs in the group,I am considering submitting a resolution to the DC and American Academy of Family Physicians asking them to advocate for physician conscience protection rights. Would any of you like to join in and help me? I can send you the resolution I introduced last year about fertility awareness education as an example. On that note, I am also considering a resolution asking the academy to include information about the various NFP methods on their patient education web-site. So let me know if you want to help write that one as well. Also, if any of you can introduce the same or similar resolutions through your state academies that would be great. For me, I will need to submit these resolutions to the DC AFP by July 3rd, so I would need any feedback from those interested in helping by July 1st. To limit e-mail traffic on the NFP list serve, please e-mail me by this Monday night if you are interested in helping and I will send the sample resolution and some suggested language for these two proposed ones to you directly. Sincerely,Marguerite Duane Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 15, 2012, at 11:54 AM, " , " <fdennehy@...> wrote: Hmmm. You are correct. Go to www.heritage.org, then top right: search “Conscience Protection†– the article is part way down list of results “…What Federal Law says†From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of BameSent: Friday, June 15, 2012 8:19 AM Subject: Re: Conscience Protection Dear Dr. , thank you for your informative response. Is there another link however to the federal conscience protections you reference at the Heritage Organization? That link doesnt seem to work anymore. The state protections link does work and thanks again for listing these. If the federal government weakened current federal conscience laws, would state laws trump federal law? or vice versa? I am referring here to the right to refuse contraception, and not just the right to refuse to participate in abortions. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP InstructorPecks Family Practice, PLC1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2AOrmond Beach, FL 32174(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: " , " <fdennehy@...> " ' ' " < > Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:16 AMSubject: RE: Conscience Protection Fantastic. This is helpful for all of us. Fw: Assistance and prayers please>>>>>>>>>> I need some assistance and prayers please.>> I work as an RN in L & D a few days a week, and am frequently in charge. A couple of weeks ago a physician sent in a pt. for an elective termination at 31 weeks due to anencephaly. Everyone knows I won't do that, and the staff working that night initially refused as well. Behind the scenes, phone calls and texts ensued and certain staff told me they didn't want to get in trouble so volunteered. Then the phone call accusing me of " intimidating " the other staff into refusing, and also accusing me of blatantly lying about their unwillingness to participate. I met with the manager after writing a risk report, and explained they had changed their mind. Obviously this is not the end as now I am being called higher up...>> The other staff that night were also " Catholic " , and so my stance is also being questioned.>> Are there any official church statements I can print out that address this? I am on limited internet and printing right now so unable to search and print. Hopefully I will have access later.>> Leaving this position is not an option as I only have very part time income as a midwife due to my NFP only stance.>> Thanks> Sandrock, RNC-OB, APRN-CNM, MSN>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID>>>>>> ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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