Re: Crohn's disease

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Hello All:

Has anyone had any experience with AP and Crohn's disease. I myself have polymyositis and have been on AP for almost 4 mos. It seems like I have seen postings about Crohn's but can't be sure. Hopefully there is someone out there who has a success story that I can share with my friend. Thanks for all your support.

Carol

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Ihave Crohn's and Anklyosing spondylitis. I am doing great for the first time in over 6 years. I am on disability, because I also have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I am

an R.N. and have tried you name it to get the docs to listen to how harmful

the medications for inflammation reduction makes people very sick. It does, as

Pentasa and Asulfadine in combination for 3 mtonhs, and separate for 2 years,

and bacame very ill, Gi system could not absorb any nurtients, was bleeding, with

blockage. Dr.s said have to have colostomy or could die, I said I will do something. I went to an M.D. in Tyler, he deals very sucessfully with CFS, Fibromyalgis, RA, etc. After 3 months of successful treatments, I am doing

great, and I have my life back. What was the matter with me, a gut full of\

Klibsell, and other bacteria. I ended up with major infections from too much immune suppression. I hope I have given someone hope, keep on trying, dyou can do it.

rheumatic Re: Crohn's disease

Hello All:

Has anyone had any experience with AP and Crohn's disease. I myself have polymyositis and have been on AP for almost 4 mos. It seems like I have seen postings about Crohn's but can't be sure. Hopefully there is someone out there who has a success story that I can share with my friend. Thanks for all your support.

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For Crohns you could also look at:

www.scdiet.org

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I have ulcerative colotis, a " cousin " to Chrohn's disease. If you

suspect your daughter has Chrohn's, then she would need to see a

gastrointerologist. I have no idea what tests they would run on a

child that young. I am sure CBC blood test will show alot, especially

her white blood count. The usual tests are colonoscopies...but I

doubt they would do that on a baby, maybe though?

> I've posted before about my daughter (now 12 mos.) being " Possible

> Failure to Thrive " . She still hasn't put on any weight or height.

She now has

> horrible, burning bowel movements frequently which started with a

fever for 3

> days. This has been going on for 6 days now and she was up 3 times

last night

> with a painful belly. I realize this could be a virus but could it

also be

> Crohn's Disease? She still eats like a pig but she sometimes loses

weight in

> between visits. We see an Endocrinologist in July. Could someone

tell me a

> little more about Crohn's and what I should be looking for as far as

> symptoms. What tests should I ask the Endocrinologist to run. I'm

going to

> call Dr. Amy's office today and order a hair test for her.

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> I've posted before about my daughter (now 12 mos.) being " Possible

> Failure to Thrive " . She still hasn't put on any weight or height.

She now has

> horrible, burning bowel movements frequently which started with a

fever for 3

> days. This has been going on for 6 days now and she was up 3 times

last night

> with a painful belly. I realize this could be a virus but could it

also be

> Crohn's Disease? She still eats like a pig but she sometimes loses

weight in

> between visits. We see an Endocrinologist in July. Could someone

tell me a

> little more about Crohn's and what I should be looking for as far as

> symptoms. What tests should I ask the Endocrinologist to run. I'm

going to

> call Dr. Amy's office today and order a hair test for her.

[Guest guest]

> I've posted before about my daughter (now 12 mos.) being " Possible

> Failure to Thrive " . She still hasn't put on any weight or height.

She now has

> horrible, burning bowel movements frequently which started with a

fever for 3

> days. This has been going on for 6 days now and she was up 3 times

last night

> with a painful belly. I realize this could be a virus but could it

also be

> Crohn's Disease? She still eats like a pig but she sometimes loses

weight in

> between visits. We see an Endocrinologist in July. Could someone

tell me a

> little more about Crohn's and what I should be looking for as far as

> symptoms. What tests should I ask the Endocrinologist to run. I'm

going to

> call Dr. Amy's office today and order a hair test for her.

[Guest guest]

Can you add a quality grape seed extract, slippery elm, and/or FOS powder, to

her liquids?

You may see good results w/i 36 hours.

Mike Menkes, LMT

JPiker@... wrote: I've posted before about my daughter (now 12 mos.)

being " Possible

Failure to Thrive " . She still hasn't put on any weight or height. She now has

horrible, burning bowel movements frequently which started with a fever for 3

days. This has been going on for 6 days now and she was up 3 times last night

with a painful belly. I realize this could be a virus but could it also be

Crohn's Disease? She still eats like a pig but she sometimes loses weight in

between visits. We see an Endocrinologist in July. Could someone tell me a

little more about Crohn's and what I should be looking for as far as

symptoms. What tests should I ask the Endocrinologist to run. I'm going to

call Dr. Amy's office today and order a hair test for her.

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In a message dated 6/28/01 7:55:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mikemenkes@... writes:

<< Can you add a quality grape seed extract, slippery elm, and/or FOS powder,

to her liquids?

>>

Can I get these at a regular HFS? I was also thinking of trying the Peptizyde

enzymes to see if that might help her absorb her foods. The doctor gave me 3

cases of PediaSure to give her but I don't want to give her milk products or

soy but will if that's the only way to put some weight on her.

Jo (South Carolina)

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In a message dated 6/28/01 2:20:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mnlarue@... writes:

<< Is she eating anything with gluten?? It sounds like she is a Celiac to

me. >>

I don't see how she is getting any gluten. She has baby food (already checked

GF status) and I don't even give her baby cereals any more just to be safe.

She eats mostly what her brother eats (gf/cf pancake, meat, and french fries

from HFS). She eats so healthy but I'm worried that maybe there aren't enough

calories in this stuff to fatten her up.

Jo (South Carolina)

[Guest guest]

Is she eating anything with gluten?? It sounds like she is a Celiac to me.

JPiker@... wrote:

> I've posted before about my daughter (now 12 mos.) being " Possible

> Failure to Thrive " . She still hasn't put on any weight or height. She now has

> horrible, burning bowel movements frequently which started with a fever for 3

> days. This has been going on for 6 days now and she was up 3 times last night

> with a painful belly. I realize this could be a virus but could it also be

> Crohn's Disease? She still eats like a pig but she sometimes loses weight in

> between visits. We see an Endocrinologist in July. Could someone tell me a

> little more about Crohn's and what I should be looking for as far as

> symptoms. What tests should I ask the Endocrinologist to run. I'm going to

> call Dr. Amy's office today and order a hair test for her.

>

> =======================================================

>

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Are you on any kind of elimination diet?? GFCF?? You should check for celiac

disease before beiginning any removal of gluten/ wheat foods though. We are

gluten and casein free with great results. My son is now gaining wieght.

Celiac patients tend to lose weight thoough when they eat gluten foods.

[ ] Crohn's Disease

I've posted before about my daughter (now 12 mos.) being " Possible

Failure to Thrive " . She still hasn't put on any weight or height. She now has

horrible, burning bowel movements frequently which started with a fever for 3

days. This has been going on for 6 days now and she was up 3 times last night

with a painful belly. I realize this could be a virus but could it also be

Crohn's Disease? She still eats like a pig but she sometimes loses weight in

between visits. We see an Endocrinologist in July. Could someone tell me a

little more about Crohn's and what I should be looking for as far as

symptoms. What tests should I ask the Endocrinologist to run. I'm going to

call Dr. Amy's office today and order a hair test for her.

[Guest guest]

Is there any way she has a yeast overgrowth??? This can cause the body to not

absorb nutrients and to have diarrhea. Another thought, tracy

Re: [ ] Crohn's Disease

In a message dated 6/28/01 7:55:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mikemenkes@... writes:

<< Can you add a quality grape seed extract, slippery elm, and/or FOS powder,

to her liquids?

>>

Can I get these at a regular HFS? I was also thinking of trying the Peptizyde

enzymes to see if that might help her absorb her foods. The doctor gave me 3

cases of PediaSure to give her but I don't want to give her milk products or

soy but will if that's the only way to put some weight on her.

Jo (South Carolina)

[Guest guest]

> I was also thinking of trying the Peptizyde enzymes to see if that

might help her absorb her foods.

Jo,

My younger son was a painfully slow and picky eater who didn't put on

weight for almost 2 years. He looked anorexic. We had taken him to

the doctor 8 times for this and also because he had very inconsistant

bm and wasn't potty-trained by 7 years old.

We have been taking the enzymes Peptizyde for 9 weeks and Zyme Prime

for 7. He now eats 1/3 more food per day and eats a very wide variety

now - 30 foods instead of about 5. His weight check as of this week

showed he has gained 5 pounds. It is probably directly related to

increased nutrient absorption and getting rid of something in the gut

that was bothering him. His bms became quite regular within the first

week as well. I don't know how relevant this may be to you or if it

will work, but I sure know how you feel with a child who isn't

thriving. Hopefully you will find the answer quite soon. These

enzymes are available through www.houstonni.com

.

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In a message dated 6/29/01 10:01:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kjorn@... writes:

<< We have been taking the enzymes Peptizyde for 9 weeks and Zyme Prime

for 7. >>

I just called and ordered these on Wednesday and talked to Devin. He was

great and spent a lot of time explaining everything. I can't wait to try them

as I've heard so many great reports and have even heard that Dr. Holmes has

ordered some to try because she's heard so many great things from other

parents. I am on the Enzymes and Autism board and will update how it goes.

I'm going to give her some PediaSure with the enzymes and see if she'll be

able to tolerate the milk in it and hopefully I'll be able to fatten her up.

Jo (South Carolina)

Jo (South Carolina)

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Medline data shows that Crohn's disease (and all IBS inflammation) is

associated with low glutathione levels. It's got it's own prewritten link

into the peer-reviewed studies on the site below.

http://members.shaw.ca/widewest/medline_links.html

Note that once you're on the PubMed page, you can even enter your own query

such as " Glutathione AND irritable bowel " or " glutathione AND colitis " and

come up with even more data.

Rather than use steroids, which reduce inflammation but exact a toll on the

immune system and have side effects, raising glutathione levels improves

immune responses by strengthening all the cells, increases Th1 cell numbers

which controls Th2 inflammatory responses at their source, and alleviates

the free radical cascades that are causing the irritation. Rather than using

drugs, which produce toxic metabolites that the liver has to handle, using

glutathione increase supports the liver, its biggest user.

Glutathione levels are low in disease situations across the board, and are

especially depleted in the bowel lining in IBS cases. Glutathione is there

for a purpose. It is the essential natural antioxidant and detox agent and

without it, health is seriously compromised in several ways.

Seems elegant in its simplicity, yes?

I know people who have got rid of their IBS, chronic fatigue and myalgia by

simply increasing GSH levels.

In addition, GSH is the body's natural defense against toxins including

metals.

best,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

My son had a rectal fistular when he was two months

old. He was on antibiotic for a few months because of

this fistular. In the meantime his pediatrician gave

him the immunization shots and saying there was no

problems. How stupid he was and how brain washed my

husband and I were to blindly trust this doctor. I

still don't know what caused that fistular. Parents on

this list, who else have children that got fistular? I

am curious and want to find out if this is common in

ASD kids.

Lili

--- judyl_nev <juude@...> wrote:

> Hi Mum of Lily! I just might be your gal!

>

> My son has Crohn's Disease (ugly disease). He's

> been " sickly " since

> he was about 6 or 7. He didn't have blatant

> symptoms until he became

> dangerously sick in December of '98, followed in

> March '99 with an

> intestinal resection. He also had a baseball-sized

> fistula. At 16,

> 6'0 " he weighed 78 lbs. He left the hospital at 100

> lbs. Now he's

> up to a whopping 122 lbs. at 20 years old, 6'1 " .

>

> The story from the doctors: " We don't know the

> cause, and there is no

> cure. Take these drugs, and if that doesn't work,

> we'll just cut out

> body parts. "

>

> I began researching. I kept winding up at sites re

> Autism and

> vaccines. Then toxic metals came into the picture.

> That's how I

> came to be at this site. Most Autistic kids have

> serious bowel

> issues. Quite a number of kids with IBD also have

> some degree or

> form of ASD.

>

> I have lots of research and some theories. In

> theory, if you can get

> the bad stuff out and put the good stuff in, you

> might have a chance

> at normal health. That's my goal. Get the bad

> stuff out (metals,

> viruses, bacteria, etc.) Put the good stuff in:

> Real food, friendly

> bacteria (probiotics), essential fatty acids

> (especially Omega 3s),

> balance the electromagnetic energy in the body. I

> believe that

> metals mess with the polarity and electricity in the

> body. That's

> not really news, but a foreign idea to many people.

> Acupuncture can

> help here.

>

> So far, the only " cure " is stem cell transplant.

> There is a very

> small study going on at this point, so far with a

> 100% success rate.

> It is really way too soon to say the word " cure " ,

> but we say it

> anyway.

>

> I very much believe that vaccines and toxins are at

> the root of

> autoimmune diseases. Much of this has to do with

> the MMR. I haven't

> read of Hep B being related to Crohn's Disease, but

> it definitely is

> a dangerous vaccine. Many kids have suddenly

> " acquired " IBD after

> getting MMR vaccines, the same way many " acquire "

> Autism after

> vaccination.

>

> When my son was hospitalized, he was on many meds.

> Afterward he was

> on Imuran and Pentasa. I took him off. The GI

> recently put him on

> Asacol and Entocort, but he took himself off, as

> they made him worse.

> We're looking for a broad-minded/big picture GI.

> I've had my son on

> probiotics, zinc, milkthistle (silymarin for liver

> support), a few

> other things. He put himself on a fish diet lately.

> He eats fish

> nearly every day. He quit drinking soda pop. He's

> cut out any food

> that annoys him.

>

> I am very excited lately. I've found an " Atlas "

> chiropractor who

> does homeopathy through electro-dermal testing.

> We've successfully

> used electro-dermal testing and homeopathy for

> twenty years in my

> family. I believe that homeopathy is the best way

> to neutralize

> viruses. We've just embarked on an experiment to

> see if it works.

>

> I want to pursue the mercury connection, but I think

> my son needs to

> be in a little better health before we start trying

> to chelate. He's

> been in an episode for the last two months. We're

> trying to keep him

> out of the hospital this time. Yup, he had the

> colonoscopy and the

> small bowel follow-through and so far, $2500 worth

> of bloodwork.

>

> In autoimmune diseases there is a test for ANA

> (anti-nuclear

> antibodies). My mercury primer says " both mercury

> and silver cause

> autoimmune responses, including anti-nuclear

> antibodies. " " In animal

> studies, mercury-induce antibodies to the nuclei of

> white blood cells

> (anti-nuclear antibodies) were found in 90% of the

> experimental

> animals. The contamination of the white blood cells

> with mercury

> ions led the body to identify its own immune-system

> foot soldiers as

> foreign invaders and to produce antibodies against

> them. "

>

> Are you familiar with Prometheus Labs in San Diego?

> This might be a

> good place to start with testing to see which

> markers come up. Have

> you heard of the camera pill? It's available in

> California. I want

> to do this with my son. You might want to test for

> e-coli, h-pylori,

> cytomegalovirus, c. difficile.

>

> Some basic points:

>

> No cigarette smoke. I believe this goes for

> second-hand smoke as

> well as first, so Crohnnies shouldn't be around

> smoke at all. I'm

> thinking lately that there's a cadmium link to

> Crohn's Disease.

> Tobacco also has inherent molds which might be a

> part of the

> problem. In Crohn's Disease links to nickel,

> aluminum and titanium

> are already established.

>

> Stay away from soda pop and acid-forming foods.

> Balance the diet.

> Eat real food. There's a lot of info here and on the

> enzymes and

> autism board that are helpful with digestive issues.

>

>

> ASCA test (Prometheus) The number one marker for

> Crohn's Disease is

> intolerance to bakers' yeast. The simple solution

> is to remove all

> bakers' yeast from the diet, and seek yeast-free

> foods. Bakers'

> yeast and Candida are closely related and have

> similar negative

> qualities. Use only authentic sourdough bread.

> Sourdough is made

> with a different yeast. The yeast in sourdough is

> healthy to the

> intestines, and actually helps digestion. Some

> vaccines are cultured

> in yeast. Many IBDers can't tolerate dairy or

> gluten. Ditto

> Autistic children.

>

> Eat fish! Research shows the best treatments for

> Crohn's disease is

> dietary changes – especially going to an elemental

> diet during

> flares, a diet of fish, soup and rice. The helpful

> supplements are

> probiotics, fish oils, minerals, especially zinc and

> magnesium and

> antioxidants.

>

> With autoimmune diseases, the immune system is in

> overdrive. You

> don't want to build the immune system at this point.

> You want

> to " modulate " it. Like a thermostat. You don't

> want the immune

> system turned up at this point. That's what brings

> on flares.

>

> Some sites to check out: I have many

> sites…..hundreds of research

> articles.

>

> http://www.enjoy.ne.jp/~takeda-y/creport3.htm

>

http://www.oilofpisces.com/inflammatoryboweldisease.html

> http://www.vsl3.com (as Moria mentioned)

> http://culturelle.com

> http://www.givenimaging.com

> http://www.prometheuslabs.com

>

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The fellow who sold me a zapper gives his case history on his site. Just type

in ultimate zapper and it will come up.

Liz

[Guest guest]

Coconut oil (or lauricidin) contains fatty acids that kill lots of

bacteria, many of which can cause or aggravate Crohn's; coconut oil is

nown to reduce symptoms in days.

Inulin feeds the good bacteria at the expense of the bad; restoring the

bowel bacteria has been proposed to control Crohn's, UC, and IBS. Doing

so can start to control symptoms in a week to a few weeks. Foods contain

inulin; you can also buy it by itself.

Cold-processed whey isolate plus selenium increases the antioxidant

glutathione, which is severly depleted in Crohn's patients and can be

completely absent at the injured site. A full antioxidant program is

better that taking only one. Low glutathione is linked to many diseases.

All of the above has been part of the research for years.

Probiotics can also be helpful until correct bowel culture is restored.

More information is on my website. There's a lot of research material

there that proves out the valididty of using this approach.

Duncan Crow

>

> I have recently come across Dr 's stuff when researching for a

> friend with Crohn's disease. I have bought the herbs for the parasite

> cleanse and a zapper. I would like to hear from anyone who has (or has

> been cured of) Crohn's. Success stories would be encouraging and would

> help me get over my friend's scepticism. He feels everyone is out to get

> his money and nothing works. He is literally tearing his hair out!

[Guest guest]

>I also heard somewhere that crohn's disease is rare in places where people

>have parasites.

>Irene

>

A thorough meta-analysis conducted in Germany found that crohn's disease is

a psychological illness - apparently the study was so thorough and

comprehensive that DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental

Disorders - 5th edition) will include crohn's as a psychological disorder.

I'm not convinced that there aren't other issues, but just thought it worth

mentioning this. If anyone's interested I can try to find the details of

the study.

[Guest guest]

Huh? How is it a psychological illness? As I understand it, crohn's is

diagnosed by colonoscopy. They check for lesions in the intestines. How is

this classified as a psychological disease? I don't have it but I have

friends that do.

Irene

>A thorough meta-analysis conducted in Germany found that crohn's disease is

>a psychological illness - apparently the study was so thorough and

>comprehensive that DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental

>Disorders - 5th edition) will include crohn's as a psychological disorder.

>I'm not convinced that there aren't other issues, but just thought it worth

>mentioning this. If anyone's interested I can try to find the details of

>the study.

>

>

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SFJI

Crohn's was studied by Dr. Wakefield in Toronto in the 80s. He found

the measles virus!! Wakefield is at the center of a war about the MMR. He

found the measles strain of the MMR in the guts of autistic children which

is normally recognised as a psych disorder

So...go figure bit of politics

Re: crohn's disease

>

> Huh? How is it a psychological illness? As I understand it, crohn's is

> diagnosed by colonoscopy. They check for lesions in the intestines. How is

> this classified as a psychological disease? I don't have it but I have

> friends that do.

> Irene

>

>

>

>>A thorough meta-analysis conducted in Germany found that crohn's disease

>>is

>>a psychological illness - apparently the study was so thorough and

>>comprehensive that DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental

>>Disorders - 5th edition) will include crohn's as a psychological disorder.

>>I'm not convinced that there aren't other issues, but just thought it

>>worth

>>mentioning this. If anyone's interested I can try to find the details of

>>the study.

>>

>>

>>

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It is being said that because the meta-analysis reviewed studies assessing

various types of treatment for crohn's (including dietary changes,

antiobiotics, and some other physical therapies) and found that

pyschotherapy (specifically cognitive-behavioural therapy and a type of

psychodynamic therapy) were the only reliable forms of successful treatment,

it is a psychological disorder. Although DSM-V is still a way off being

published, at this stage the plan seems to be to place crohn's under the

" anxiety and somatoform " disorders.

A colonoscopy is useful in diagnosing crohn's, but doesn't mean anything in

terms of the orgins of the lesions.

I think the main reason that the date for the release of DSM-V as been

delayed a few times is that there seems to be so much evidence accumulating

in recent years for the influence of the mind over physical well-being.

E.g. now it is known that anti-depressants don't work if the placebo effect

is removed.

I don't mean to offend anyone by suggesting something might be psychological

in orgin - personally I find it empowering to think that we might have much

more influence over our physical condition than if it was just down to the

genes we were handed.

>

>Huh? How is it a psychological illness? As I understand it, crohn's is

>diagnosed by colonoscopy. They check for lesions in the intestines. How is

>this classified as a psychological disease? I don't have it but I have

>friends that do.

>Irene

>

>

>

> >A thorough meta-analysis conducted in Germany found that crohn's disease

>is

> >a psychological illness - apparently the study was so thorough and

> >comprehensive that DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental

> >Disorders - 5th edition) will include crohn's as a psychological

>disorder.

> >I'm not convinced that there aren't other issues, but just thought it

>worth

> >mentioning this. If anyone's interested I can try to find the details

>of

> >the study.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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On Wednesday, March 23, 2005, at 06:08 AM, rda wrote:

> I don't mean to offend anyone by suggesting something might be

> psychological

> in orgin - personally I find it empowering to think that we might have

> much

> more influence over our physical condition than if it was just down to

> the

> genes we were handed.

>

>

>

,

I do believe that you mean well, but labeling something psychological

that is not surely would set one up to not have relief, health and

possibly life because crohn's is a very serious disease. I believe

crohn's disease is caused by our diet...read the Maker's Diet written

by a doctor that almost lost his life to the disease. He makes a very

good case and is living proof that he healed himself through diet.

Humbly submitted, Sandy

[Guest guest]

Well it is empowering only if it works. I am skeptical. It reminds me of

the days when research showed that relaxation, group therapy and meditation

were supposed to help cancer patients. Miraculous recoveries were sometimes

mentioned. While I don't doubt their value, I spent enough time meditating

on mountains, it didn't really quite work out that way for most people. It

also placed some very unrealistic expectations on some very sick people.

I remain skeptical for now.

Irene

At 03:08 AM 3/23/2005, you wrote:

>It is being said that because the meta-analysis reviewed studies assessing

>various types of treatment for crohn's (including dietary changes,

>antiobiotics, and some other physical therapies) and found that

>pyschotherapy (specifically cognitive-behavioural therapy and a type of

>psychodynamic therapy) were the only reliable forms of successful treatment,

>it is a psychological disorder. Although DSM-V is still a way off being

>published, at this stage the plan seems to be to place crohn's under the

> " anxiety and somatoform " disorders.

>

>A colonoscopy is useful in diagnosing crohn's, but doesn't mean anything in

>terms of the orgins of the lesions.

>

>I think the main reason that the date for the release of DSM-V as been

>delayed a few times is that there seems to be so much evidence accumulating

>in recent years for the influence of the mind over physical well-being.

>E.g. now it is known that anti-depressants don't work if the placebo effect

>is removed.

>

>I don't mean to offend anyone by suggesting something might be psychological

>in orgin - personally I find it empowering to think that we might have much

>more influence over our physical condition than if it was just down to the

>genes we were handed.

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> >Huh? How is it a psychological illness? As I understand it, crohn's is

> >diagnosed by colonoscopy. They check for lesions in the intestines. How is

> >this classified as a psychological disease? I don't have it but I have

> >friends that do.

> >Irene

> >

> >

> >

> > >A thorough meta-analysis conducted in Germany found that crohn's disease

> >is

> > >a psychological illness - apparently the study was so thorough and

> > >comprehensive that DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental

> > >Disorders - 5th edition) will include crohn's as a psychological

> >disorder.

> > >I'm not convinced that there aren't other issues, but just thought it

> >worth

> > >mentioning this. If anyone's interested I can try to find the details

> >of

> > >the study.

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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:34:22 -0500 wrote

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> I do believe that you mean well, but labeling something psychological

> that is not surely would set one up to not have relief, health and

> possibly life because crohn's is a very serious disease.

I believe that posting the results of a major study on the disease ought to be

helpful. Why be afraid of the information?

>I believe

> crohn's disease is caused by our diet...read the Maker's Diet written

> by a doctor that almost lost his life to the disease. He makes a very

> good case and is living proof that he healed himself through diet.

I know the Maker's Diet is popular and probably sound, but please remember that

Jordan Rubin is not a doctor. He has a naturopath degree from non-accredited

institution in Puerto Rico (which is the only place he is licensed to practice

naturopathy) and a nutrition degree from a non-accredited and now defunct

" Academy " that was thrown out of Hawii for violations of consumer protection

laws. Rubin may have cured himself, and diet may have played a role, but who's

to say what role his mental states had to play as well. I would tend to believe

a meta-analysis over one person's anicdotal story, particularly when they are

trying to sell me dietary suppliments. But, hey, that's me and my traditional

science background. The mental state is always a wildcard.