Guest guest Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 , What's the correct speed for recording 1RM? Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hi Mark, > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and Conditioning " > from NSCA(Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " > (Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all > that useful. > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because there > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol, I'm sure you'll run across some > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > Merrick, Ph.D. > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > Is there a protocol for conducting a one rep max test. I woiuld think > that if the test is not done the exact same way each time it is > administered the results will not be accurate. If no such protocol exists, > can I have some thoughts on how you may conduct this proceedure......Thanks > for your > > help..... C. Mark, CFT > > Fort Lauderd > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2012 Report Share Posted April 15, 2012 Not sure if there is " one " correct speed - I have conducted 1 rep max using the same rep speed to replicate results - e.g. In the bench press, squat and deadlift the weight has to be lowered in a controlled manor therefore an eccentric speed of 2 - 3 seconds may be desirable - if the athlete cannot control the eccentric speed of the movement then they have surpassed their 1 RM as a general guide. It is lift dependent - because the Olympic Lifts require the movement to be completed explosively, therefore with explosive movements a favorable fast rep speed would be desired with maintenance of good form. E.g. If you have athletes performing plyometric type exercises - then maintenance of form would be the main criteria for the depth of the jump etc. Good luck with your testing On 15/04/2012, at 1:30 AM, Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote: > , > What's the correct speed for recording 1RM? > > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA > > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and Conditioning " > > from NSCA(Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " > > (Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a > > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all > > that useful. > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because there > > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max > > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol, I'm sure you'll run across some > > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a protocol for conducting a one rep max test. I woiuld think > > that if the test is not done the exact same way each time it is > > administered the results will not be accurate. If no such protocol exists, > > can I have some thoughts on how you may conduct this proceedure......Thanks > > for your > > > help..... C. Mark, CFT > > > Fort Lauderd > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 , Doesn't force change with speed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction#Force-length_and_force-velocity_\ relationships Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hi Giovanni, > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is > if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed > has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > he/she can't. > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > Conditioning " from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance > Training Programs " Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a > lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), > it isn't really all that useful. > > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's > one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes > even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you > are performing a research study where such test results are outcome > variables. > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 , Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum force. Is that what you mean? Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> wrote: > ** > > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM; > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will > not represent a 1RM. > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM. > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised. > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly, > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion. > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a > lift, action, or exercise. > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > Century City, CA > > -||||--------||||- > > > Re: 1 Rep Max > > Hi Giovanni, > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is > if > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > he/she > can't. > > Merrick, Ph.D. > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > Conditioning " > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all > that useful. > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > there > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > some > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > ------------------------------------ > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at: > > mygroups > > Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them to be > published! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 , Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum force. Is that what you mean? Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> wrote: > ** > > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM; > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will > not represent a 1RM. > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM. > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised. > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly, > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion. > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a > lift, action, or exercise. > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > Century City, CA > > -||||--------||||- > > > Re: 1 Rep Max > > Hi Giovanni, > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is > if > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > he/she > can't. > > Merrick, Ph.D. > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > Conditioning " > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all > that useful. > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > there > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > some > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > ------------------------------------ > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at: > > mygroups > > Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them to be > published! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are different than force and velocity. A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much you can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken into account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the olympic lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is required. None the less, the rules of the snatch and the c & j are not 'time' dependent. Within the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you could perform a snatch superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it would still be a good lift. Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some lifts that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people crank it down a gear or two and take forever to get to lockout. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote: > , > Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about > 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png > Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum > force. Is that what you mean? > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM; > > > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will > > not represent a 1RM. > > > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract > > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM. > > > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one > > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled > > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised. > > > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly, > > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when > > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion. > > > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a > > lift, action, or exercise. > > > > Regards, > > > > Casler > > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > > Century City, CA > > > > -||||--------||||- > > > > > > Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > Hi Giovanni, > > > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is > > if > > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has > > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > > he/she > > can't. > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > > Conditioning " > > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " > > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a > > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all > > that useful. > > > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > > there > > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max > > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > > some > > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at: > > > > mygroups > > > > Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them to be > > published! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Greetings, Greetings, Yes, the faster a load is lifted from a state of rest requires and manifests greater forces. So it might seem that lifting slowly is the preferred way because the actual forces required are less -- at the start anyway -- BUT more required force somewhere from the nasty sticking point to the end. Advantages of lifting as quick as possible includes: the fastest start recruits the high continuum high force IIB's (if there are any left due to IIB migration to IIA with extensive training) and high continuum high force IIA's plus the rest of fibers to some extent. Yet these converted IIB fibers MAY/PROBABLY express greater forces when max speed is attempted in a highly motivated state. A faster start results in greater kinetic energy, which aids greatly in moving through the low mechanical advantage " sticking point " and will have some kinetic energy left -- plus a less fatigued total fiber muscle (there might be some reappraisal of this point) to aid lockout. Anyway less TUT equals less fatigue and greater end of rep strength.(??) Especially from the lower continuum IIA's and I's. Have we ever solved the force expression dillema,. i.e., does/can the IIB fiber converted to IIA express the same force? Jerry Telle Lakewood CO USA Re: Re: 1 Rep Max , Doesn't force change with speed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction#Force-length_and_force-velocity_\ relationships Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hi Giovanni, > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is > if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed > has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > he/she can't. > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > Conditioning " from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance > Training Programs " Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a > lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), > it isn't really all that useful. > > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's > one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes > even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you > are performing a research study where such test results are outcome > variables. > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I agree with Dr. Merrick, the question is a bit of a question in and of itself.  As a former powerlifter, I had a 685lb Squat, 444 Bench Press, and 685lb Deadlift in the 220lb class at age 52. Those were my 1 rep max. I would have preferred to do them faster, due to the weight involved but due to the weight involved and the rules involved, did them according to the judges instructions.  An example, would be my bench press.  In training, I hit 470lbs but did it with a bit of a bounce, which was faster than is allowed at a meet. I hope I am making sense and helping with the question.  This is my first posting in quite some time.  As a coach of American football in Germany and a Personal Trainer, I enjoy reading the posts by others but rarely have time to respond. Sua Sponte ________________________________ From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> Supertraining Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Re: 1 Rep Max  Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM; A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will not represent a 1RM. Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM. A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised. While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly, this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when increased until their will be an inability to produce motion. I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a lift, action, or exercise. Regards, Casler TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems Century City, CA -||||--------||||- Re: 1 Rep Max Hi Giovanni, I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or he/she can't. Merrick, Ph.D. ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS Bellevue, NE > > > ** > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and Conditioning " from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all that useful. > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > Bellevue, NE > > > (meterial deleted) ------------------------------------ Modify/cancel your subscription at: mygroups Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them to be published! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 You didn't look at the graph carefully. One curve has Force on the left axis and velocity on the horizontal axis. The other curve has power on the right axis and velocity on the horizontal axis. Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Hobman <keith.hobman@...> wrote: > ** > > > The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are > different than force and velocity. > > A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much > you can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken > into account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the > olympic lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is > required. None the less, the rules of the snatch and the c & j are not 'time' > dependent. Within the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you > could perform a snatch superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it > would still be a good lift. > > Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some > lifts that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people > crank it down a gear or two and take forever to get to lockout. > > Hobman > Saskatoon, Canada > > > On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote: > > , > > Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at > about > > 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png > > Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of > maximum > > force. Is that what you mean? > > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> > wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM; > > > > > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it > will > > > not represent a 1RM. > > > > > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will > detract > > > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM. > > > > > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight > that one > > > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled > > > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be > compromised. > > > > > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move > slowly, > > > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when > > > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion. > > > > > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression > for a > > > lift, action, or exercise. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Casler > > > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > > > Century City, CA > > > > > > -||||--------||||- > > > > > > > > > Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > > > Hi Giovanni, > > > > > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > > > > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question > is > > > if > > > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But > speed has > > > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > > > he/she > > > can't. > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > > > Conditioning " > > > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training > Programs " > > > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. > In a > > > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't > really all > > > that useful. > > > > > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > > > there > > > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's > one-rep max > > > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > > > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > > > performing a research study where such test results are outcome > variables. > > > > > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > > > some > > > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at: > > > > > > mygroups > > > > > > Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them > to be > > > published! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Hi all, I am not sure why this time/speed element is so much of an issue. The 1RM test is a test of strength which is the ability to produce maximal force in a single voluntary action. This in no way is associated with a time component, if it where it would be a squat jump power test. The only factors to be assessed in a 1RM test, is do they maintain correct technique and how much do they lift. To answer the initial question, I use the ACSM's protocol, which I believe is similar to the protocol in Baechle & Earle's text. Mark Helme Wakefield, UK From: Supertraining [mailto:Supertraining ] On Behalf Of Casler Sent: 16 April 2012 19:49 Supertraining Subject: Re: 1 Rep Max Hi Giovanni, Actually I misspoke (mistyped?) and a 1RM is not representative of the Max Power Expression, as far as peak power. Sorry for the confusion. However, I still represent that a 1RM is always performed at the fastest speed safely possible. Regards, Casler TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems Century City, CA -||||--------||||- Re: 1 Rep Max > > Hi Giovanni, > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question > is if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. > But speed has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can > perform the lift or he/she can't. > > Merrick, Ph.D. > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > Conditioning " > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs " > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. > In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't > really all that useful. > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > there > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's > one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or > sometimes even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for > individuals unless you are performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables. > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run > > > across > some > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > ------------------------------------ > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at: > > mygroups > > Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them > to be published! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements outside of force and velocity. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada On 4/17/12 10:17 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote: > You didn't look at the graph carefully. One curve has Force on the left > axis and velocity on the horizontal axis. The other curve has power on the > right axis and velocity on the horizontal axis. > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Hobman <keith.hobman@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are > > different than force and velocity. > > > > A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much > > you can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken > > into account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the > > olympic lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is > > required. None the less, the rules of the snatch and the c & j are not 'time' > > dependent. Within the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you > > could perform a snatch superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it > > would still be a good lift. > > > > Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some > > lifts that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people > > crank it down a gear or two and take forever to get to lockout. > > > > Hobman > > Saskatoon, Canada > > > > > > On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote: > > > , > > > Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at > > about > > > 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png > > > Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of > > maximum > > > force. Is that what you mean? > > > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM; > > > > > > > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it > > will > > > > not represent a 1RM. > > > > > > > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will > > detract > > > > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM. > > > > > > > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight > > that one > > > > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled > > > > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be > > compromised. > > > > > > > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move > > slowly, > > > > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when > > > > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion. > > > > > > > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression > > for a > > > > lift, action, or exercise. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Casler > > > > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > > > > Century City, CA > > > > > > > > -||||--------||||- > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > > > > > Hi Giovanni, > > > > > > > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? " > > > > > > > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question > > is > > > > if > > > > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But > > speed has > > > > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or > > > > he/she > > > > can't. > > > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and > > > > Conditioning " > > > > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training > > Programs " > > > > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. > > In a > > > > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't > > really all > > > > that useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because > > > > there > > > > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's > > one-rep max > > > > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even > > > > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are > > > > performing a research study where such test results are outcome > > variables. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across > > > > some > > > > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D. > > > > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS > > > > > > Bellevue, NE > > > > > > > > > > > (meterial deleted) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at: > > > > > > > > mygroups > > > > > > > > Sign all letters with full name & city of residence if you wish them > > to be > > > > published! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product of that effort. The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include a speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a 1RM. Regards, Casler TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems Century City, CA -||||--------||||- Re: Re: 1 Rep Max Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements outside of force and velocity. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I have been following this discussion with interest.  My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure progress over time.  How this is  Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max effort.  Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration. Force = Mass (x) Acceleration Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct. USA ________________________________ From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> Supertraining Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max  I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product of that effort. The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include a speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a 1RM. Regards, Casler TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems Century City, CA -||||--------||||- Re: Re: 1 Rep Max Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements outside of force and velocity. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Ralph, You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other force intervening). Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote: > ** > > > I have been following this discussion with interest. > > My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an > individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure > progress over time. > > How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as > long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. > > I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max > effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration. > > Force = Mass (x) Acceleration > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct. USA > > > ________________________________ > From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> > Supertraining > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM > Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > > I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% > correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle > and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product > of that effort. > > The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific > " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include > a > speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT > representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. > > So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of > a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a > 1RM. > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > Century City, CA > > -||||--------||||- > > Re: Re: 1 Rep Max > > Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests > neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by > requirements > outside of force and velocity. > > Hobman > Saskatoon, Canada > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Ralph, You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other force intervening). Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote: > ** > > > I have been following this discussion with interest. > > My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an > individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure > progress over time. > > How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as > long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. > > I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max > effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration. > > Force = Mass (x) Acceleration > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct. USA > > > ________________________________ > From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> > Supertraining > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM > Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > > I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% > correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle > and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product > of that effort. > > The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific > " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include > a > speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT > representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. > > So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of > a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a > 1RM. > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > Century City, CA > > -||||--------||||- > > Re: Re: 1 Rep Max > > Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests > neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by > requirements > outside of force and velocity. > > Hobman > Saskatoon, Canada > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Moderator, sorry, forgot to sign the last one  To Ralph's point. Force is linear and not entirely correct in this instance. The human body has joints and therefore and axis. Torque(rotational force) would be the appropriate term in this instance and requires a " moment arm " (i.e the distance the resistance is placed from the axis. T= F(mxa) x D(Distance from axis). Were just a big system of levers. Inertia, friction, etc are also factors that would be needed to take into account as well. Semantics...I know. But its the details that matter. I would also be interested to hear discussion on the following: machine bench press vs. supine bench press. If I could do more " weight " on a smith machine, would that be idicative of " maximal neurological effort " or would less " weight " on a regular bench be " more " neurological effort in regard to a " 1RM " ...whatever 1RM implies??  Jerry Lake , FL  From: Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> " Supertraining " <Supertraining > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: 1 Rep Max  I have been following this discussion with interest.  My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure progress over time.  How this is  Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max effort.  Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration. Force = Mass (x) Acceleration Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct. USA ________________________________ From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> Supertraining Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max  I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product of that effort. The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include a speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a 1RM. Regards, Casler TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems Century City, CA -||||--------||||- Re: Re: 1 Rep Max Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements outside of force and velocity. Hobman Saskatoon, Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Weight = gravity.  No gravity no weight  The point I was trying to make is that all we measure for a 1 Max rm is the weight lifted.  Measurements of  work done, amount of force applied, power generated,  require that we make other measurements other that the weight lifted. It takes more force to lift 200 lbs in 2 seconds than it does to lift it in 4 seconds.  Force = mass x acceleration.  The greater the acceleration the greater the force required. In this case we need to measure how long it takes to move the object. Work done = mass x distance.  There is more work done if a weight is lifted 18 inches vs 12 inches.  A tall person does more work lifting 200 lbs than a short person.  With regards: to power Power = works x distance/time. Moving 200 lbs 18inches in 2 seconds requires more power than moving 200 lbs 18 inches  in 4 seconds. Ralph Giarnella MD Southington Ct. USA ________________________________ From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> Supertraining Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: 1 Rep Max  Ralph, You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other force intervening). Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote: > ** > > > I have been following this discussion with interest. > > My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an > individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure > progress over time. > > How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as > long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. > > I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max > effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration. > > Force = Mass (x) Acceleration > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct. USA > > > ________________________________ > From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> > Supertraining > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM > Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > > I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% > correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle > and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product > of that effort. > > The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific > " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include > a > speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT > representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. > > So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of > a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a > 1RM. > > Regards, > > Casler > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > Century City, CA > > -||||--------||||- > > Re: Re: 1 Rep Max > > Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests > neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by > requirements > outside of force and velocity. > > Hobman > Saskatoon, Canada > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Ralph, It's a good point. Please let me correct your equations for Power and Work: Work = Force x Distance Power = Force x Distance / Time Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote: > ** > > > Weight = gravity. No gravity no weight > > The point I was trying to make is that all we measure for a 1 Max rm is > the weight lifted. > Measurements of work done, amount of force applied, power generated, > require that we make other measurements other that the weight lifted. > It takes more force to lift 200 lbs in 2 seconds than it does to lift it > in 4 seconds. Force = mass x acceleration. The greater the acceleration > the greater the force required. In this case we need to measure how long it > takes to move the object. > > Work done = mass x distance. There is more work done if a weight is > lifted 18 inches vs 12 inches. A tall person does more work lifting 200 > lbs than a short person. > > With regards: to power Power = works x distance/time. Moving 200 lbs > 18inches in 2 seconds requires more power than moving 200 lbs 18 inches in > 4 seconds. > > > Ralph Giarnella MD > Southington Ct. USA > > ________________________________ > From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> > Supertraining > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:22 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > Ralph, > You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other > force intervening). > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> > wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > I have been following this discussion with interest. > > > > My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an > > individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to > measure > > progress over time. > > > > How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as > > long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. > > > > I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max > > effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of > acceleration. > > > > Force = Mass (x) Acceleration > > > > Ralph Giarnella MD > > Southington Ct. USA > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...> > > Supertraining > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM > > Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > > > > > > > I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100% > > correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest > muscle > > and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a > by-product > > of that effort. > > > > The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific > > " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may > include > > a > > speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT > > representative of a TRUE 1RM effort. > > > > So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product > of > > a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as > a > > 1RM. > > > > Regards, > > > > Casler > > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems > > Century City, CA > > > > -||||--------||||- > > > > Re: Re: 1 Rep Max > > > > Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests > > neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by > > requirements > > outside of force and velocity. > > > > Hobman > > Saskatoon, Canada > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Just to add to the mix..... No need to add the force due to gravity...because Weight = mass of the object x Acceleration due to gravity (9.8m/s^2 or 32Ft/s^2)...assume that the mass and weight are equivalent unless you are trying to determine the 1rm on a different planet or underwater F=ma acceleration is a change in velocity over time, a = (vf-v0)/t. The load lifted starts at -0 then acceleration is induced and the load starts moving...the velocity has changed from 0 to X. Now, because the loads/intensity/mass of the objected moved is high the velocity of the movement will be slow and thus negligible. Work = Force applied x the change in Distance, Power = Force x Change of distance/time = Power = F x velocity, (note change of distance over time is velocity) 1rm testing is low power high in force production why? Mass is high and the performer induced acceleration and the high mass object is moving BUT the velocity is low. Now oly lifts are high in power...why because there is a Force component but more importantly the movements have a high velocity component. 1rm testing will vary from individual to individual as WELL as from day to day (not that I would recommend doing daily 1rm tests). Why...1RM testing is essential a testing of skill. Within a skill there are substrates of learning and constraints of learning. Substrates are prerequisites to said skill: Cognitive, Perceptual, Physical, and psychological. Constraints of learning are: Environmental, Morphological and biomechanical. We utilize our substrates to overcome the constraints. (this is a complete summarization/watered down perspective of skill acquisition and development). The prereqs./substrates will vary from day to day...I didn't eat anything (physical), I had a bad day at work (psychological), thinking too much about the skill (cognitive), and wow that weight looks ginormous (perceptual). These things vary from day to day and workout to workout....so what is a coach/trainer to do? Several things....you can calculate the 1rm utilizing a number of different formulas. Once you determine the 1 rm and construct loading schemes for targeted sets and reps you need to monitor the lifting performance for those designated lifts both from qualitative and quantitative. So, if the performer has a targeted lift for 85% of 1rm at 6reps and they perform 10 reps...you need to re-calibrate this load to ensure that you are hitting the targeted rep scheme to ensure the appropriate stimulus is being provided to induce the designated physiological change and thereby increasing physical performance in the future. Ted Recitas New York, NY USA www.TedRecitas.com Re: Re: 1 Rep Max > > Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests > neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by > requirements > outside of force and velocity. > > Hobman > Saskatoon, Canada > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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