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What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Mark,

>

> I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and Conditioning "

> from NSCA(Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

> (Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a

> free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all

> that useful.

>

> " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because there

> are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max

> on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.

>

> If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol, I'm sure you'll run across some

> scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

>

> Merrick, Ph.D.

> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> Bellevue, NE

>

>

>

> >

> > Is there a protocol for conducting a one rep max test. I woiuld think

> that if the test is not done the exact same way each time it is

> administered the results will not be accurate. If no such protocol exists,

> can I have some thoughts on how you may conduct this proceedure......Thanks

> for your

> > help..... C. Mark, CFT

> > Fort Lauderd

> >

> >

> >

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Not sure if there is " one " correct speed - I have conducted 1 rep max using the

same rep speed to replicate results - e.g. In the bench press, squat and

deadlift the weight has to be lowered in a controlled manor therefore an

eccentric speed of 2 - 3 seconds may be desirable - if the athlete cannot

control the eccentric speed of the movement then they have surpassed their 1 RM

as a general guide.

It is lift dependent - because the Olympic Lifts require the movement to be

completed explosively, therefore with explosive movements a favorable fast rep

speed would be desired with maintenance of good form. E.g. If you have athletes

performing plyometric type exercises - then maintenance of form would be the

main criteria for the depth of the jump etc.

Good luck with your testing

On 15/04/2012, at 1:30 AM, Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...> wrote:

> ,

> What's the correct speed for recording 1RM?

>

> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

>

> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 11:31 AM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and Conditioning "

> > from NSCA(Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

> > (Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a

> > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all

> > that useful.

> >

> > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because there

> > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max

> > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.

> >

> > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol, I'm sure you'll run across some

> > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> >

> > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > Bellevue, NE

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Is there a protocol for conducting a one rep max test. I woiuld think

> > that if the test is not done the exact same way each time it is

> > administered the results will not be accurate. If no such protocol exists,

> > can I have some thoughts on how you may conduct this proceedure......Thanks

> > for your

> > > help..... C. Mark, CFT

> > > Fort Lauderd

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Doesn't force change with speed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction#Force-length_and_force-velocity_\

relationships

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Giovanni,

>

> I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

>

> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is

> if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed

> has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> he/she can't.

>

>

> Merrick, Ph.D.

> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> Bellevue, NE

>

>

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> Conditioning " from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance

> Training Programs " Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a

> lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes),

> it isn't really all that useful.

>

> > >

> > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's

> one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes

> even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you

> are performing a research study where such test results are outcome

> variables.

> > >

> > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

>

> > >

> > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > Bellevue, NE

> > >

> > (meterial deleted)

>

>

>

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Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about

1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png

Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum

force. Is that what you mean?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;

>

> A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will

> not represent a 1RM.

>

> Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract

> from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.

>

> A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one

> can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled

> (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.

>

> While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,

> this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when

> increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.

>

> I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a

> lift, action, or exercise.

>

> Regards,

>

> Casler

> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> Century City, CA

>

> -||||--------||||-

>

>

> Re: 1 Rep Max

>

> Hi Giovanni,

>

> I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

>

> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is

> if

> you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has

> no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> he/she

> can't.

>

> Merrick, Ph.D.

> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> Bellevue, NE

>

>

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> Conditioning "

> from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

> Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a

> free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all

> that useful.

> > >

> > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> there

> are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max

> on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.

> > >

> > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> some

> scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> > >

> > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > Bellevue, NE

> > >

> > (meterial deleted)

>

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Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about

1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png

Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum

force. Is that what you mean?

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;

>

> A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will

> not represent a 1RM.

>

> Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract

> from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.

>

> A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one

> can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled

> (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.

>

> While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,

> this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when

> increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.

>

> I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a

> lift, action, or exercise.

>

> Regards,

>

> Casler

> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> Century City, CA

>

> -||||--------||||-

>

>

> Re: 1 Rep Max

>

> Hi Giovanni,

>

> I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

>

> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is

> if

> you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has

> no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> he/she

> can't.

>

> Merrick, Ph.D.

> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> Bellevue, NE

>

>

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> Conditioning "

> from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

> Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a

> free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all

> that useful.

> > >

> > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> there

> are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max

> on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.

> > >

> > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> some

> scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> > >

> > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > Bellevue, NE

> > >

> > (meterial deleted)

>

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The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are different

than force and velocity.

A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much you

can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken into

account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the olympic

lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is required. None

the less, the rules of the snatch and the c & j are not 'time' dependent. Within

the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you could perform a snatch

superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it would still be a good lift.

Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some lifts

that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people crank it down a

gear or two and take forever to get to lockout.

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote:

> ,

> Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at about

> 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png

> Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of maximum

> force. Is that what you mean?

> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

>

> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;

> >

> > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will

> > not represent a 1RM.

> >

> > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract

> > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.

> >

> > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one

> > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled

> > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.

> >

> > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,

> > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when

> > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.

> >

> > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a

> > lift, action, or exercise.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Casler

> > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> > Century City, CA

> >

> > -||||--------||||-

> >

> >

> > Re: 1 Rep Max

> >

> > Hi Giovanni,

> >

> > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

> >

> > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is

> > if

> > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has

> > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> > he/she

> > can't.

> >

> > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > Bellevue, NE

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mark,

> > > >

> > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> > Conditioning "

> > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

> > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a

> > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all

> > that useful.

> > > >

> > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> > there

> > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max

> > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> > performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.

> > > >

> > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> > some

> > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> > > >

> > > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > > Bellevue, NE

> > > >

> > > (meterial deleted)

> >

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Greetings,

Greetings,

Yes, the faster a load is lifted from a state of rest requires and manifests

greater forces. So it might seem that lifting slowly is the preferred way

because the actual forces required are less -- at the start anyway -- BUT more

required force somewhere from the nasty sticking point to the end. Advantages of

lifting as quick as possible includes: the fastest start recruits the high

continuum high force IIB's (if there are any left due to IIB migration to IIA

with extensive training) and high continuum high force IIA's plus the rest of

fibers to some extent. Yet these converted IIB fibers MAY/PROBABLY express

greater forces when max speed is attempted in a highly motivated state. A faster

start results in greater kinetic energy, which aids greatly in moving through

the low mechanical advantage " sticking point " and will have some kinetic energy

left -- plus a less fatigued total fiber muscle (there might be some reappraisal

of this point) to aid lockout. Anyway less TUT equals less fatigue and greater

end of rep strength.(??) Especially from the lower continuum IIA's and I's.

Have we ever solved the force expression dillema,. i.e., does/can the IIB fiber

converted to IIA express the same force?

Jerry Telle

Lakewood CO USA

Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

,

Doesn't force change with speed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_contraction#Force-length_and_force-velocity_\

relationships

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM, samuel9888 <Sam68123@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Giovanni,

>

> I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

>

> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is

> if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed

> has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> he/she can't.

>

>

> Merrick, Ph.D.

> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> Bellevue, NE

>

>

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> Conditioning " from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance

> Training Programs " Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a

> lab setting. In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes),

> it isn't really all that useful.

>

> > >

> > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> there are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's

> one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes

> even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you

> are performing a research study where such test results are outcome

> variables.

> > >

> > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> some scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

>

> > >

> > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > Bellevue, NE

> > >

> > (meterial deleted)

>

>

>

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I agree with Dr. Merrick, the question is a bit of a question in and of itself.

 As a former powerlifter, I had a 685lb Squat, 444 Bench Press, and 685lb

Deadlift in the 220lb class at age 52. Those were my 1 rep max. I would have

preferred to do them faster, due to the weight involved but due to the weight

involved and the rules involved, did them according to the judges instructions.

 An example, would be my bench press.  In training, I hit 470lbs but did it

with a bit of a bounce, which was faster than is allowed at a meet. I hope I am

making sense and helping with the question.  This is my first posting in quite

some time.  As a coach of American football in Germany and a Personal Trainer,

I enjoy reading the posts by others but rarely have time to respond.

Sua Sponte

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From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: 1 Rep Max

 

Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;

A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it will

not represent a 1RM.

Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will detract

from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.

A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight that one

can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled

(TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be compromised.

While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move slowly,

this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when

increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.

I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression for a

lift, action, or exercise.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

Century City, CA

-||||--------||||-

Re: 1 Rep Max

Hi Giovanni,

I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question is if

you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But speed has

no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or he/she

can't.

Merrick, Ph.D.

ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

Bellevue, NE

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and Conditioning "

from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting. In a

free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't really all

that useful.

> >

> > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because there

are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's one-rep max

on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

performing a research study where such test results are outcome variables.

> >

> > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across some

scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> >

> > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > Bellevue, NE

> >

> (meterial deleted)

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You didn't look at the graph carefully. One curve has Force on the left

axis and velocity on the horizontal axis. The other curve has power on the

right axis and velocity on the horizontal axis.

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Hobman <keith.hobman@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are

> different than force and velocity.

>

> A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much

> you can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken

> into account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the

> olympic lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is

> required. None the less, the rules of the snatch and the c & j are not 'time'

> dependent. Within the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you

> could perform a snatch superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it

> would still be a good lift.

>

> Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some

> lifts that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people

> crank it down a gear or two and take forever to get to lockout.

>

> Hobman

> Saskatoon, Canada

>

>

> On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote:

> > ,

> > Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at

> about

> > 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png

> > Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of

> maximum

> > force. Is that what you mean?

> > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

> >

> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

> wrote:

> >

> > > **

>

> > >

> > >

> > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;

> > >

> > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it

> will

> > > not represent a 1RM.

> > >

> > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will

> detract

> > > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.

> > >

> > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight

> that one

> > > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled

> > > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be

> compromised.

> > >

> > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move

> slowly,

> > > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when

> > > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.

> > >

> > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression

> for a

> > > lift, action, or exercise.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Casler

> > > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> > > Century City, CA

> > >

> > > -||||--------||||-

> > >

> > >

> > > Re: 1 Rep Max

> > >

> > > Hi Giovanni,

> > >

> > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

> > >

> > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question

> is

> > > if

> > > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But

> speed has

> > > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> > > he/she

> > > can't.

> > >

> > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > Bellevue, NE

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Mark,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> > > Conditioning "

> > > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training

> Programs "

> > > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting.

> In a

> > > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't

> really all

> > > that useful.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> > > there

> > > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's

> one-rep max

> > > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> > > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> > > performing a research study where such test results are outcome

> variables.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> > > some

> > > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> > > > >

> > > > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > > > Bellevue, NE

> > > > >

> > > > (meterial deleted)

> > >

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Hi all,

I am not sure why this time/speed element is so much of an issue.

The 1RM test is a test of strength which is the ability to produce maximal

force in a single voluntary action. This in no way is associated with a time

component, if it where it would be a squat jump power test.

The only factors to be assessed in a 1RM test, is do they maintain correct

technique and how much do they lift.

To answer the initial question, I use the ACSM's protocol, which I believe

is similar to the protocol in Baechle & Earle's text.

Mark Helme

Wakefield, UK

From: Supertraining [mailto:Supertraining ]

On Behalf Of Casler

Sent: 16 April 2012 19:49

Supertraining

Subject: Re: 1 Rep Max

Hi Giovanni,

Actually I misspoke (mistyped?) and a 1RM is not representative of the Max

Power Expression, as far as peak power. Sorry for the confusion.

However, I still represent that a 1RM is always performed at the fastest

speed safely possible.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

Century City, CA

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Re: 1 Rep Max

>

> Hi Giovanni,

>

> I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

>

> The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question

> is if you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera.

> But speed has no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can

> perform the lift or he/she can't.

>

> Merrick, Ph.D.

> ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> Bellevue, NE

>

>

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> Conditioning "

> from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training Programs "

> Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting.

> In a free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't

> really all that useful.

> > >

> > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> there

> are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's

> one-rep max on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or

> sometimes even advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for

> individuals unless you are performing a research study where such test

results are outcome variables.

> > >

> > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run

> > > across

> some

> scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> > >

> > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > Bellevue, NE

> > >

> > (meterial deleted)

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

> Modify/cancel your subscription at:

>

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Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests neither. It

simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements outside of

force and velocity.

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

On 4/17/12 10:17 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote:

> You didn't look at the graph carefully. One curve has Force on the left

> axis and velocity on the horizontal axis. The other curve has power on the

> right axis and velocity on the horizontal axis.

> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

>

> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Hobman <keith.hobman@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > The graph depicts a muscle force relationship. Power and force are

> > different than force and velocity.

> >

> > A 1RM tests neither. Within defined movements it is a measure of how much

> > you can lift - absolute strength in a way, since time isn't generally taken

> > into account. I realize this is simplistic, especially in the case of the

> > olympic lifts where tremendous amounts of force and considerable speed is

> > required. None the less, the rules of the snatch and the c & j are not 'time'

> > dependent. Within the time allocated to the lifter on the platform you

> > could perform a snatch superslow if you wanted and if you met the rules it

> > would still be a good lift.

> >

> > Ditto for powerlifts. A deadlift takes a lot of force, but I've seen some

> > lifts that are tremendously explosive (THE PHANTOM!!!) and some people

> > crank it down a gear or two and take forever to get to lockout.

> >

> > Hobman

> > Saskatoon, Canada

> >

> >

> > On 4/16/12 10:57 AM, Giovanni Ciriani wrote:

> > > ,

> > > Maximum power, according to the articles I have read, takes place at

> > about

> > > 1/3 of maximum force. See also the graph

> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Muscle_Force_Velocity_relationship.png

> > > Therefore what your are saying implies that 1RM is at about 1/3 of

> > maximum

> > > force. Is that what you mean?

> > > Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

> > >

> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > **

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regarding the SPEED of a 1RM;

> > > >

> > > > A 1RM will always be performed at the maximum safe speed, or else it

> > will

> > > > not represent a 1RM.

> > > >

> > > > Any effort attempted to use a " timed " or speed controlled rep will

> > detract

> > > > from maximal effort, and will not yield a 1RM.

> > > >

> > > > A 1RM is representative of the maximum load, resistance, or weight

> > that one

> > > > can use for a single rep of an action. If we employ a speed controlled

> > > > (TUL) component, the level of ability to use the load will be

> > compromised.

> > > >

> > > > While we will certainly observe that some 1RM's will appear to move

> > slowly,

> > > > this is relative to the load moved. A heavy load will reduce speed when

> > > > increased until their will be an inability to produce motion.

> > > >

> > > > I might add, that a 1RM will also represent maximum Power Expression

> > for a

> > > > lift, action, or exercise.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Casler

> > > > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> > > > Century City, CA

> > > >

> > > > -||||--------||||-

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: 1 Rep Max

> > > >

> > > > Hi Giovanni,

> > > >

> > > > I don't understand the question--the " speed for recording 1RM? "

> > > >

> > > > The only thing I can think of where speed is relevant to your question

> > is

> > > > if

> > > > you are video-recording the attempt: the speed of the camera. But

> > speed has

> > > > no relevance to testing for a 1RM: the person can perform the lift or

> > > > he/she

> > > > can't.

> > > >

> > > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > > Bellevue, NE

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Mark,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm sure some protocals are in " Essentials of Strength and

> > > > Conditioning "

> > > > from NSCA (Baechle and Earle) or " Designing Resistance Training

> > Programs "

> > > > Fleck and Kraemer). I never actually conducted one in a lab setting.

> > In a

> > > > free-living, practical setting (training non-sthletes), it isn't

> > really all

> > > > that useful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Accurate results " is a very elusive concept for this test because

> > > > there

> > > > are too many variables to control. At best, you can get today's

> > one-rep max

> > > > on an individual. Also, it's not that necessary, or sometimes even

> > > > advisable, to perform a one-rep max test for individuals unless you are

> > > > performing a research study where such test results are outcome

> > variables.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you Google " 1-rep max test protocol " , I'm sure you'll run across

> > > > some

> > > > scholarly references that will point you toward the protocol they used.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Merrick, Ph.D.

> > > > > > ACSM HFS; NSCA-CPT/CSCS

> > > > > > Bellevue, NE

> > > > > >

> > > > > (meterial deleted)

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Modify/cancel your subscription at:

> > > >

> > > > mygroups

> > > >

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I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle

and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product

of that effort.

The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

" competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include a

speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of

a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a

1RM.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

Century City, CA

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Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements

outside of force and velocity.

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

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I have been following this discussion with interest.  

My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an individual

to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure progress over

time.  

How this is  Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as long as

every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. 

I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max effort.

 Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration.

Force = Mass (x) Acceleration

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington Ct. USA 

________________________________

From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM

Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max

 

I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle

and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product

of that effort.

The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

" competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include a

speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of

a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a

1RM.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

Century City, CA

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Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements

outside of force and velocity.

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

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Ralph,

You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other

force intervening).

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I have been following this discussion with interest.

>

> My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an

> individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure

> progress over time.

>

> How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as

> long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner.

>

> I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max

> effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration.

>

> Force = Mass (x) Acceleration

>

> Ralph Giarnella MD

> Southington Ct. USA

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

>

>

>

> I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

> correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle

> and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product

> of that effort.

>

> The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

> " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include

> a

> speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

> representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

>

> So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of

> a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a

> 1RM.

>

> Regards,

>

> Casler

> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> Century City, CA

>

> -||||--------||||-

>

> Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

> Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

> neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by

> requirements

> outside of force and velocity.

>

> Hobman

> Saskatoon, Canada

>

>

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Ralph,

You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other

force intervening).

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I have been following this discussion with interest.

>

> My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an

> individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure

> progress over time.

>

> How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as

> long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner.

>

> I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max

> effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration.

>

> Force = Mass (x) Acceleration

>

> Ralph Giarnella MD

> Southington Ct. USA

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

>

>

>

> I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

> correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle

> and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product

> of that effort.

>

> The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

> " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include

> a

> speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

> representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

>

> So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of

> a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a

> 1RM.

>

> Regards,

>

> Casler

> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> Century City, CA

>

> -||||--------||||-

>

> Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

> Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

> neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by

> requirements

> outside of force and velocity.

>

> Hobman

> Saskatoon, Canada

>

>

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To Ralph's point.

Force is linear and not entirely correct in this instance. The human body has

joints and therefore and axis. Torque(rotational force) would be the appropriate

term in this instance and requires a " moment arm " (i.e the distance the

resistance is placed from the axis. T= F(mxa) x D(Distance from axis). Were just

a big system of levers. Inertia, friction, etc are also factors that would be

needed to take into account as well. Semantics...I know. But its the details

that matter.

I would also be interested to hear discussion on the following:

machine bench press vs. supine bench press. If I could do more " weight " on

a smith machine, would that be idicative of " maximal neurological effort " or

would less " weight " on a regular bench be " more " neurological effort in regard

to a " 1RM " ...whatever 1RM implies??

 

Jerry

Lake , FL

 

From: Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...>

" Supertraining " <Supertraining >

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:03 PM

Subject: Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

 

I have been following this discussion with interest.  

My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an individual

to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure progress over

time.  

How this is  Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as long as

every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner. 

I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max effort.

 Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration.

Force = Mass (x) Acceleration

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington Ct. USA 

________________________________

From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM

Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max

 

I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle

and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product

of that effort.

The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

" competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include a

speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of

a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a

1RM.

Regards,

Casler

TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

Century City, CA

-||||--------||||-

Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by requirements

outside of force and velocity.

Hobman

Saskatoon, Canada

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Weight = gravity.  No gravity no weight  

The point I was trying to make is that all we measure for a 1 Max rm is the

weight lifted.  

Measurements of  work done, amount of force applied, power generated,  require

that we make other measurements other that the weight lifted. 

It takes more force to lift 200 lbs in 2 seconds than it does to lift it in 4

seconds.  Force = mass x acceleration.  The greater the acceleration the

greater the force required. In this case we need to measure how long it takes to

move the object.

Work done = mass x distance.  There is more work done if a weight is lifted 18

inches vs 12 inches.  A tall person does more work lifting 200 lbs than a short

person.  

With regards: to power Power = works x distance/time. Moving 200 lbs 18inches in

2 seconds requires more power than moving 200 lbs 18 inches  in 4 seconds. 

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington Ct. USA 

________________________________

From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...>

Supertraining

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:22 PM

Subject: Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

 

Ralph,

You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other

force intervening).

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> I have been following this discussion with interest.

>

> My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an

> individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to measure

> progress over time.

>

> How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as

> long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner.

>

> I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max

> effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of acceleration.

>

> Force = Mass (x) Acceleration

>

> Ralph Giarnella MD

> Southington Ct. USA

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

>

>

>

> I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

> correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest muscle

> and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a by-product

> of that effort.

>

> The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

> " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may include

> a

> speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

> representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

>

> So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product of

> a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as a

> 1RM.

>

> Regards,

>

> Casler

> TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> Century City, CA

>

> -||||--------||||-

>

> Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

> Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

> neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by

> requirements

> outside of force and velocity.

>

> Hobman

> Saskatoon, Canada

>

>

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Ralph,

It's a good point.

Please let me correct your equations for Power and Work:

Work = Force x Distance

Power = Force x Distance / Time

Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Weight = gravity. No gravity no weight

>

> The point I was trying to make is that all we measure for a 1 Max rm is

> the weight lifted.

> Measurements of work done, amount of force applied, power generated,

> require that we make other measurements other that the weight lifted.

> It takes more force to lift 200 lbs in 2 seconds than it does to lift it

> in 4 seconds. Force = mass x acceleration. The greater the acceleration

> the greater the force required. In this case we need to measure how long it

> takes to move the object.

>

> Work done = mass x distance. There is more work done if a weight is

> lifted 18 inches vs 12 inches. A tall person does more work lifting 200

> lbs than a short person.

>

> With regards: to power Power = works x distance/time. Moving 200 lbs

> 18inches in 2 seconds requires more power than moving 200 lbs 18 inches in

> 4 seconds.

>

>

> Ralph Giarnella MD

> Southington Ct. USA

>

> ________________________________

> From: Giovanni Ciriani <Giovanni.Ciriani@...>

> Supertraining

> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:22 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

>

>

>

> Ralph,

> You have to add force of gravity to your equation (and any other other

> force intervening).

> Giovanni Ciriani - West Hartford, CT - USA

>

> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Ralph Giarnella <ragiarn@...>

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > I have been following this discussion with interest.

> >

> > My understanding of Max1rm is that it is simply a bench mark for an

> > individual to use as a means of planning a training regimen and to

> measure

> > progress over time.

> >

> > How this is Max 1rm is done probably matters only to the individual as

> > long as every time it is measured it is conducted in the same manner.

> >

> > I am not sure that the Max 1 rm really measures max force but rather max

> > effort. Measurement of force requires in its equation rate of

> acceleration.

> >

> > Force = Mass (x) Acceleration

> >

> > Ralph Giarnella MD

> > Southington Ct. USA

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Casler <bioforce.inc@...>

> > Supertraining

> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56 PM

> > Subject: RE: Re: 1 Rep Max

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I think often we get confused with what we are looking at. is 100%

> > correct that in a " TRUE " 1RM effort we will be applying the greatest

> muscle

> > and mechanical force we can to that effort and " speed " will be a

> by-product

> > of that effort.

> >

> > The confusion I speak of is when we begin to combine a specific

> > " competitive " lift and the rule parameters of that lift, which may

> include

> > a

> > speed, or a pause, or some other component that will actually be NOT

> > representative of a TRUE 1RM effort.

> >

> > So the take home is that the speed component is an observable by-product

> of

> > a 1RM (or any RM) but it is NOT the component that defines the effort as

> a

> > 1RM.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Casler

> > TRI-VECTOR 3-D Training Systems

> > Century City, CA

> >

> > -||||--------||||-

> >

> > Re: Re: 1 Rep Max

> >

> > Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

> > neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by

> > requirements

> > outside of force and velocity.

> >

> > Hobman

> > Saskatoon, Canada

> >

> >

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Just to add to the mix.....

No need to add the force due to gravity...because Weight = mass of the object x

Acceleration due to gravity (9.8m/s^2 or 32Ft/s^2)...assume that the mass and

weight are equivalent unless you are trying to determine the 1rm on a different

planet or underwater

F=ma

acceleration is a change in velocity over time, a = (vf-v0)/t. The load lifted

starts at -0 then acceleration is induced and the load starts moving...the

velocity has changed from 0 to X. Now, because the loads/intensity/mass of the

objected moved is high the velocity of the movement will be slow and thus

negligible.

Work = Force applied x the change in Distance, Power = Force x Change of

distance/time = Power = F x velocity, (note change of distance over time is

velocity)

1rm testing is low power high in force production why? Mass is high and the

performer induced acceleration and the high mass object is moving BUT the

velocity is low. Now oly lifts are high in power...why because there is a Force

component but more importantly the movements have a high velocity component.

1rm testing will vary from individual to individual as WELL as from day to day

(not that I would recommend doing daily 1rm tests). Why...1RM testing is

essential a testing of skill. Within a skill there are substrates of learning

and constraints of learning. Substrates are prerequisites to said skill:

Cognitive, Perceptual, Physical, and psychological. Constraints of learning

are: Environmental, Morphological and biomechanical. We utilize our substrates

to overcome the constraints. (this is a complete summarization/watered down

perspective of skill acquisition and development). The prereqs./substrates will

vary from day to day...I didn't eat anything (physical), I had a bad day at work

(psychological), thinking too much about the skill (cognitive), and wow that

weight looks ginormous (perceptual). These things vary from day to day and

workout to workout....so what is a coach/trainer to do? Several things....you

can calculate the 1rm utilizing a number of different formulas. Once you

determine the 1 rm and construct loading schemes for targeted sets and reps you

need to monitor the lifting performance for those designated lifts both from

qualitative and quantitative. So, if the performer has a targeted lift for 85%

of 1rm at 6reps and they perform 10 reps...you need to re-calibrate this load to

ensure that you are hitting the targeted rep scheme to ensure the appropriate

stimulus is being provided to induce the designated physiological change and

thereby increasing physical performance in the future.

Ted Recitas

New York, NY USA

www.TedRecitas.com

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>

> Right, but my point was a 1RM requires force and velocity, but tests

> neither. It simply tests the 1RM. The parameters are defined by

> requirements

> outside of force and velocity.

>

> Hobman

> Saskatoon, Canada

>

>

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