Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

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No, because we have the China environmental mercury getting worse and worse and dumping in California!!!

Barb

Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?> > > > Hello,> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a> little weak. > > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of> explanation.> > Lenny > > Dear Mr Schafer,> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from> the DDS. > > Puzzled in Mtn View.>

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Anacat requested source for quote about "plummeting" IQ.

Can't find original article using the word "plummeting", but, this article contains a portion of the same quote by Prof. Grandjean.

http://pressesc.com/01184873906_bush_mercury

Bush "reducing children's IQ through mercury exposure"

Submitted by Adam on Thu, 2007-07-19 19:41.

Advocacy groups today accused US President W. Bush of trying to reduce children's IQ through mercury-induced neurological disorders such as autism, attention deficit disorder, language delay and learning difficulties in children by deciding to veto a bill that would have banned mercury in infant vaccines.

President Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the children's safety provision from the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill.

According to the President, measures to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, are "objectionable provisions".

Autism advocacy group SafeMinds is spearheading a campaign against President Bush's actions, claiming that under his watch, mercury has been and will continue to be knowingly injected into the millions of children.

According to activists and some medical professionals, the controversial mercury-containing preservative thimerosal has been linked by thousands of parents as being the cause of their children's mercury poisoning and autism.

Professor Philippe Grandjean, from Harvard University and the University of Southern Denmark, considered the foremost scientific authority on the development of children’s brains, claimed that human society is losing its intelligence as IQ points in the population are being chemically destroyed through low level mercury exposure.

Groups claimed that President Bush promised to remove mercury from infant vaccines during his 2004 campaign by saying: "I support the removal of Thimerosal from vaccines on the childhood national vaccine schedule. During a second term as President, I will continue to support increased funding to support a wide variety of research initiatives aimed at seeking definitive causes and/or triggers of autism. It is important to note that while there are many possible theories about causes or triggers of autism, no one material has been definitely included or excluded."

They accuse the President of reneging on his promise after being elected and now going as far to actively oppose any measures that would remove Thimerosal from vaccines.

SafeMinds point out that according to the EPA, one in every six women of childbearing age already has blood levels of mercury high enough to cause neurological damage to their unborn children due to environmental exposures alone.

"Injecting even more mercury into the bodies of pregnant women, infants and children when it is not a necessary component of vaccines is just bad medicine," said Lyn Redwood, president of SafeMinds and parent of a mercury-injured child. "It defies logic that a flu vaccine must be disposed of as a hazardous waste if it is not used, but somehow injecting the same mercury-containing vaccine into a baby is safe."See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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Thanks for posting that. Cripes! Remember the original " Casino

Royale " (I think that was the film), where Woody plays a mad

mastermind who wants to kill off all the men in the world taller

than him? The article makes a similar case for Bush and the issue of

IQ.

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> Anacat requested source for quote about " plummeting " IQ.

> Can't find original article using the word " plummeting " , but,

this article

> contains a portion of the same quote by Prof. Grandjean.

>

> _http://pressesc.com/01184873906_bush_mercury_

> (http://pressesc.com/01184873906_bush_mercury)

(http://pressesc.com/01184873906_bush_mercury)

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> Bush " reducing children's IQ through mercury exposure "

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> Submitted by Adam on Thu, 2007-07-19 19:41.

>

> Advocacy groups today accused US President W. Bush of

trying to reduce

> children's IQ through mercury-induced neurological disorders such

as autism,

> attention deficit disorder, language delay and learning

difficulties in

> children by deciding to _veto_

> (http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?

DR_ID=46311) a bill that would have banned mercury in infant

> vaccines.

> President Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the

children's

> safety provision from the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education

Appropriations Bill.

> According to the President, measures to ban the use of childhood

flu vaccines

> that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative,

are " objectionable

> provisions " .

> Autism advocacy group SafeMinds is spearheading a campaign against

President

> Bush's actions, claiming that under his watch, mercury has been

and will

> continue to be knowingly injected into the millions of children.

> According to activists and some medical professionals, the

controversial

> mercury-containing preservative thimerosal has been linked by

thousands of

> parents as being the cause of their children's mercury poisoning

and autism.

> Professor Philippe Grandjean, from Harvard University and the

University of

> Southern Denmark, considered the foremost scientific authority on

the

> development of children’s brains,_ claimed _

> (http://www.noharm.org/details.cfm?type=document & id=1511) that

human society is losing its intelligence as IQ points

> in the population are being chemically destroyed through low

level mercury

> exposure.

> Groups claimed that President Bush promised to remove mercury from

infant

> vaccines during his 2004 campaign by saying: " I support the

removal of

> Thimerosal from vaccines on the childhood national vaccine

schedule. During a second

> term as President, I will continue to support increased funding

to support a

> wide variety of research initiatives aimed at seeking definitive

causes

> and/or triggers of autism. It is important to note that while

there are many

> possible theories about causes or triggers of autism, no one

material has been

> definitely included or excluded. "

> They accuse the President of reneging on his promise after being

elected and

> now going as far to actively oppose any measures that would remove

Thimerosal

> from vaccines.

> SafeMinds point out that according to the EPA, one in every six

women of

> childbearing age already has blood levels of mercury high enough

to cause

> neurological damage to their unborn children due to environmental

exposures alone.

> " Injecting even more mercury into the bodies of pregnant women,

infants and

> children when it is not a necessary component of vaccines is just

bad

> medicine, " said Lyn Redwood, president of SafeMinds and parent of

a mercury-injured

> child. " It defies logic that a flu vaccine must be disposed of as

a hazardous

> waste if it is not used, but somehow injecting the same mercury-

containing

> vaccine into a baby is safe. "

>

>

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If children are being labelled PDD-NOS by the Regional

Centers when they are first brought in (for whatever

reason), and then several years later they are being

rediagnosed with autism, this would cause a

significant delay in the exposure of the

thimerosal-fueled decrease to prevalance.

Why would this be occuring? Are key personnel in CA

DHHR being guided to do this to protect vaccinations?

Is it simply budgetary in nature, and DHHR is seeking

to " tighten up " diagnostic criteria to limit caseload

using a finite amount of budget?

Could it be that the slow removal of thimerosal in

vaccines has caused autism to be less severe in

toddlers, and it is not till additional mercury is

taken in by children from other sources that the full

regression takes place?

Or are we all really just a bunch of chicken littles

who are half mad ourselves?

Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Posted by: " The Jueschkes " ourfourgirls@...

jueschke

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:59 pm (PST)

I'm not so sure of that. I've been seeing over the

past few years that children that are a lot like my dd

aren't being dx'd with autism. Instead they're getting

tagged PDD-NOS by the regional centers. They tell the

parents to wait a while until their children are like

8 to be re-evaluated. Then if you really think that's

bogus you have to go to UCLA or find a qualified

neurologist or something, which most of these parents

don't do. I think it's actually being under-diagnosed

at least in my area of L.A. County.

----- Original Message -----

From: laurarose_2000

I wonder if it has to do with " over " diagnoses. Now

that awareness is rising pediatricians want to

diagnose them early so they can get early

intervention. Most doctors used to wait to diagnose,

but the message they are getting now is diagnose and

treat early. This can lead to a lot of misdiagnoses.

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If children are being labelled PDD-NOS by the Regional

Centers when they are first brought in (for whatever

reason), and then several years later they are being

rediagnosed with autism, this would cause a

significant delay in the exposure of the

thimerosal-fueled decrease to prevalance.

Why would this be occuring? Are key personnel in CA

DHHR being guided to do this to protect vaccinations?

Is it simply budgetary in nature, and DHHR is seeking

to " tighten up " diagnostic criteria to limit caseload

using a finite amount of budget?

Could it be that the slow removal of thimerosal in

vaccines has caused autism to be less severe in

toddlers, and it is not till additional mercury is

taken in by children from other sources that the full

regression takes place?

Or are we all really just a bunch of chicken littles

who are half mad ourselves?

Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Posted by: " The Jueschkes " ourfourgirls@...

jueschke

Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:59 pm (PST)

I'm not so sure of that. I've been seeing over the

past few years that children that are a lot like my dd

aren't being dx'd with autism. Instead they're getting

tagged PDD-NOS by the regional centers. They tell the

parents to wait a while until their children are like

8 to be re-evaluated. Then if you really think that's

bogus you have to go to UCLA or find a qualified

neurologist or something, which most of these parents

don't do. I think it's actually being under-diagnosed

at least in my area of L.A. County.

----- Original Message -----

From: laurarose_2000

I wonder if it has to do with " over " diagnoses. Now

that awareness is rising pediatricians want to

diagnose them early so they can get early

intervention. Most doctors used to wait to diagnose,

but the message they are getting now is diagnose and

treat early. This can lead to a lot of misdiagnoses.

__________________________________________________

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dad Fourkids

If children are being labelled PDD-NOS by the RegionalCenters when they are first brought in (for whateverreason), and then several years later they are beingrediagnosed with autism, this would cause asignificant delay in the exposure of thethimerosal-fueled decrease to prevalance.

I just can't figure it out. I keep coming back to the overload that they're experiencing. Back when we were starting out with Reg Ctr intake was really quick. Now I hear of people not even getting a return phone call for weeks and appointments being months away. These kids that are getting the PDD-NOS label have really evident symptoms. It's just bizarre to me. I try to encourage these moms to go further in their quest for a dx.

Maybe this is a clue to the autism rate question, that it's growing among an older set of children. It sure would be interesting to see the breakdown by age of these statistics.

But, I have to honestly say I don't see the numbers going down in the younger set. It's still on the rise, which brings me back to my original thinking that the thimerosol isn't the main issue. I think it's the vaccines themselves and how they make the body's immune system respond. After all, if thimerosol were the only key this disaster would've exploded at the first sign of it because even the tiniest bit of mercury can produce extreme symptoms.

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Hi!

If what you said is basically the "experts" are still blaming parents, I agree. Cuz,ya know, their science/medicines and the environment couldn't possibly be the reason<heavy sarcasm>.

Deb

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There is evidence that in some parts of the country the number of

kids with autism in the youngest age groups, those who would have

been exposed to less mercury in their vaccines, is dropping.

Unfortunately, the California numbers have been hyped as the thing

to watch despite lots of problems with the California and other

reporting systems in other states.

It seems if we wanted to put this issue to rest the powers-that-be

would have done a large scale study comparing the autism rate in

kids who got no mercury in vaccines and those who did. And the

vaccine industry continues to show no interest whatsoever in this

type of study. You have to ask why?

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> > > But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after

> 2002-

> > and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in

> others.

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> > Yes, yes. But there should still be some drop.

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> > Lenny

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> I read that

> women-bonded organizations can be very positive unless they're

> basically headed by violent patriarchal ideology and leaders. Then

> what you get are ass-kissers grovling and brown-nosing for

> recognition and amnesty in their accepted roles of inferior females.

Where? where? Ooo spank me! spank me!! On second thought, naah. . .

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ass-kissers groveling and brown nossing???? lol grrrrr

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> > I read that

> > women-bonded organizations can be very positive unless they're

> > basically headed by violent patriarchal ideology and leaders. Then

> > what you get are ass-kissers grovling and brown-nosing for

> > recognition and amnesty in their accepted roles of inferior

females.

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Historically, California has been the "gold standard" in reporting numbers. But we need to start pushing hard for that large scale study is talking about. My concern is we will not be able to make this happen because 1. Mercury is NOT out as erroneously stated by government officials and the media, 2. Cause(s) of injury is/are due to other or combined components of vaccines, and 3. Unless we start screaming together political agendas will continue to stop this study from happening.EOHarm From: yogilmore@...Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:08:59 +0000Subject: Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

There is evidence that in some parts of the country the number of

kids with autism in the youngest age groups, those who would have

been exposed to less mercury in their vaccines, is dropping.

Unfortunately, the California numbers have been hyped as the thing

to watch despite lots of problems with the California and other

reporting systems in other states.

It seems if we wanted to put this issue to rest the powers-that-be

would have done a large scale study comparing the autism rate in

kids who got no mercury in vaccines and those who did. And the

vaccine industry continues to show no interest whatsoever in this

type of study. You have to ask why?

> > >

> > > But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after

> 2002-

> > and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in

> others.

> >

> > Yes, yes. But there should still be some drop.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

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OMG Thanks for the laugh!!!! ROTFL Right now!!!!

Tina

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> > I read that

> > women-bonded organizations can be very positive unless they're

> > basically headed by violent patriarchal ideology and leaders. Then

> > what you get are ass-kissers grovling and brown-nosing for

> > recognition and amnesty in their accepted roles of inferior

females.

>

> Where? where? Ooo spank me! spank me!! On second thought, naah. . .

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Posted by: " Gilmore" yogilmore@... yogilmore <snip>It seems if we wanted to put this issue to rest the powers-that- be would have done a large scale study comparing the autism rate in kids who got no mercury in vaccines and those who

did. And the vaccine industry continues to show no interest whatsoever in this type of study. You have to ask why? The Autism Puzzle Pieces WILL fund a study of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated kids! :-)

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There is Legislation out there for this study. Rep. Maloney's H.R. 2832 (not to

be confused

with H.R. 5940, which was legislation for the same type of study last year).

Everyone needs

to contact their Representatives in Congress and urge them to sponser/support

this

legislation.

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