Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

[Guest guest]

While forwarding this today to all who would find this most alarming, Bono responded with some valid points:"The toxic synergistic effects of mercury and aluminum are just as dangerous in their current quantities as they were before removing thimerosal down to a "trace". There is still no science saying that a "trace" of mercury is safe and certainly not in combination with increased aluminum in each shot. If one believes as I do that much of the epidemic of autism is caused by heavy metal toxicity, then these latest CA figures are predictable: the reduction of thimerosal from 25 mcgs. to a "trace" while increasing aluminum still results in heavy metal toxicity. Then, of course there is still the push to vaccinate pregnant women and babies with the flu shot now which carries a full 25 mcgs."Quoted by Alison EOHarm From: schafer@...Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:34:13 +0000Subject: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Hello,

I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism

Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

little weak.

Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the

SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

explanation.

Lenny

Dear Mr Schafer,

Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to

see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from

the DDS.

Puzzled in Mtn View.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lenny,

I just attended the Long Island Autism Conference (It was amazing- Thanks, !). Speaker after speaker stated that it is not just mercury. It is lead, aluminum, toxins, pesticides, viral and bacterial insults etc. Basically, our kids are poor detoxifiers and what gets in can't get out. Our kids are canaries in the coal mine, the ones who cannot handle the toxic overload. Mercury is not the only cause so you can't look at it as simply as getting the mercury out of vaccines. I am sure others can describe this more eloquently but this was the basic idea I heard over and over again.

Hope this helps

Stacty

--------------- Ezorsezor@...

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynetSent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:34 PMEOHarm Subject: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Hello,I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer AutismReport reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound alittle weak. Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side tohelp explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in theSAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort ofexplanation.Lenny Dear Mr Schafer,Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosedautism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhoodvaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what theproponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed tosee the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers fromthe DDS. Puzzled in Mtn View.

[Guest guest]

This is a good question. Can anyone here whose child received only

the thimerisal-reduced vaccines speak to their experiences? Did you

child receive the flu shot? Did YOU receive a flu shot?

I'm wondering the following:

- can flu shots given even years before pregnancy affect the fetus?

If the baby has trouble ridding the body of mercury, maybe the mom

does too, to a lesser degree.

- are " thimerisal free " really so? Isn't the mercury removed after

production? Maybe more mercury is there than they admit, or maybe it

does something to the vaccine to make it more dangerous.

R

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

Then again it may indeed be the extra contaminants, toxins, coming from forest fires ,coal fired power plants in China etc. that is overloading the bodies of the kids via the vaccines, the soil the food they eat is grown in, water etc . These practices are all pretty suicidal to ourselves as a species anyway long term.

Aparrantly we have to reduce CO2 emissions by 90% in 20 or so years if we are going to have a hope in hell of mitigating major climate disaster according to most IPCC scientists.(OMG)

If forest fires have been increasing in california due to climate change that may be an extra onslaught on top of vaccine ingredients!!!!!. Wonder what chemicals are released in these fires?

We are all going to have to wait around while the data is collected and argued over ,meanwhile the status quo remains the polluters continue polluting and we leave a less inhabitable earth for our kids , those that manage to survive the muck and filth we have left them!

Ange

RE: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Dear Lenny,

I just attended the Long Island Autism Conference (It was amazing- Thanks, !). Speaker after speaker stated that it is not just mercury. It is lead, aluminum, toxins, pesticides, viral and bacterial insults etc. Basically, our kids are poor detoxifiers and what gets in can't get out. Our kids are canaries in the coal mine, the ones who cannot handle the toxic overload. Mercury is not the only cause so you can't look at it as simply as getting the mercury out of vaccines. I am sure others can describe this more eloquently but this was the basic idea I heard over and over again.

Hope this helps

Stacty

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From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of schaferatsprynetSent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:34 PMEOHarm Subject: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Hello,I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer AutismReport reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound alittle weak. Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side tohelp explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in theSAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort ofexplanation.Lenny Dear Mr Schafer,Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosedautism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhoodvaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what theproponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed tosee the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers fromthe DDS. Puzzled in Mtn View.

[Guest guest]

I hope you're offering door prizes. I can't offer anything more than

a combination of Dan Olmsted's theory of increasingly toxic

environment and Kirby's factoring of how mercury in flu shots

coupled with the timing of the shots makes the exposure tantamount

to the mid-nineties infant exposure of mercury. Flu shots in

pregnancy could predictably recreate the rates of autism seen in Rh-

women prior to the supposed removal of thimerosal from Rhogam. Throw

the lead in Chinese-imported toys and children's products into the

mix (we have no idea when this started or how bad it's been at its

peak) and maybe that tips the balance. I believe that the most

compelling theory these days is that mercury squashes the immune

system and poisons the brain, other metals " help " the mercury, and

the live vaccine viruses (or even a naturally occurring virus)

hammers the nail home.

Or I could offer a useless alternate theory or a slightly zany

conspiracy theory.

My useless alternate theory is that it was SSRIs all along. This

brilliant (hack) surmise occurred to me for just a second when I

read that the first SSRI, Zelmid, was taken off the market in 1982

for causing Guillane-Barre, an immune collapse involving the same

cytokine mechanisms and antimyelin antibodies found in some children

with autism. Then Prozac was put on the market and had record sales

in 1987. From this you could, if you were really drunk and tired,

imagine that exposure could be coming from tap water via unfiltered

sewage from all the people pissing out their happy pills (that part

is true). Or maybe there's additives in birth drugs ressembling

SSRIs. In any case, the time frame and increased exposure part of

the theory works (more people taking the drugs, pissing and

infesting the ground water), plus the fact that the drug in

therapeutic doses causes gross brain malformations in fetuses, so

trace amounts might damage development. Many psych drugs can create

disorders weirdly similar to autism in formerly normal children. But

it doesn't explain the common denominator of hand flapping in hg

exposure and autism and all sorts of other common symptoms, so the

idea isn't worth much. I'm sure having this crap in tap water

doesn't help.

There were psych drugs back when Kanner's first cases would

have " developed " their autism, but they were mostly benzedrine and

other stimulants. The materials for some tricyclic antidepressants

would have existed in their original form, at least in Germany: many

were formerly dyes and solvents used in manufacturing (ew).

My dead-of-night-after-bad-day theory is that there are random doses

of standard childhood vaccines- new batches, not old- which contain

much more than traces of thimerosal. In my darkest frame of mind, I

conjecture that it's being done deliberately to prevent a repeat of

the dip reported in 2006 and could even include meds typically taken

by pregnant women, like prenatal vitamins. If this were in any way

true, I'd imagine that they've even overshot the mark and didn't

predict how huge the rise would be from prenatal coupled with

neonatal exposure among infants whose moms got flu shots on top of

the hypothetically super-laced doses of childhood vaxes. A rate like

that would have formerly been reserved- again- for mothers getting

the thimerosal-laced Rhagam shots. If anyone can report the rates of

autism among women getting the old mercury Rhogam, that might be

telling either way.

The same theory seems kind of crazy in the light of day. Though we

could all find out about it tomorrow, march up to the gates of the

CDC with solid proof and could do nothing about it, would have

little power to create so much as a blip on the global news radar.

Which brings up my gloomy hypothesis that pharma would do this

because they haven't figured out the end game: how they're going to

get out from under suspicion. I think they initially hoped to allow

the rates of autism to drop once they believed they'd thoroughly

killed any vestige of public doubt in vaccine components.

I warned that these theories weren't all that.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side

to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort

of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

The strongest hypothesis we have out there for the cause of autism is

the Mercury Hypothesis. This is not the Mercury and Everything and

the Kitchen Sink Hypothesis. Nobody every said it was only mercury,

only that it's the best suspect. The mercury is mostly out of

vaccines and we should have seen some drop, not increase in autism if

the Mercury Hypothesis carries weight, I would think.

Lenny

>

> Then again it may indeed be the extra contaminants, toxins, coming

from forest fires ,coal fired power plants in China etc. that is

overloading the bodies of the kids via the vaccines, the soil the food

they eat is grown in, water etc . These practices are all pretty

suicidal to ourselves as a species anyway long term.

> Aparrantly we have to reduce CO2 emissions by 90% in 20 or so years

if we are going to have a hope in hell of mitigating major climate

disaster according to most IPCC scientists.(OMG)

>

> If forest fires have been increasing in california due to climate

change that may be an extra onslaught on top of vaccine

ingredients!!!!!. Wonder what chemicals are released in these fires?

>

> We are all going to have to wait around while the data is collected

and argued over ,meanwhile the status quo remains the polluters

continue polluting and we leave a less inhabitable earth for our kids

, those that manage to survive the muck and filth we have left them!

>

>

> Ange

>

> Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

Our family doctor handed me a free sample of that Ayr nasal spray

when I was pregnant. Our exposure could conceivably have been

fragmented through other products and I keep thinking of that rumor

of Canadian parents testing their supposedly hg-free vaccines to

find that this wasn't true.

Is there any random testing of current childhood vaccines occurring

from our side? If so, I've heard nothing about it.

> >

> > Then again it may indeed be the extra contaminants, toxins,

coming

> from forest fires ,coal fired power plants in China etc. that is

> overloading the bodies of the kids via the vaccines, the soil the

food

> they eat is grown in, water etc . These practices are all pretty

> suicidal to ourselves as a species anyway long term.

> > Aparrantly we have to reduce CO2 emissions by 90% in 20 or so

years

> if we are going to have a hope in hell of mitigating major climate

> disaster according to most IPCC scientists.(OMG)

> >

> > If forest fires have been increasing in california due to climate

> change that may be an extra onslaught on top of vaccine

> ingredients!!!!!. Wonder what chemicals are released in these

fires?

> >

> > We are all going to have to wait around while the data is

collected

> and argued over ,meanwhile the status quo remains the polluters

> continue polluting and we leave a less inhabitable earth for our

kids

> , those that manage to survive the muck and filth we have left

them!

> >

> >

> > Ange

> >

> > Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with

sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our

side to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put

in the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some

sort of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of

diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what

the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was

dismayed to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent

numbers from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> The strongest hypothesis we have out there for the cause of autism is

> the Mercury Hypothesis. This is not the Mercury and Everything and

> the Kitchen Sink Hypothesis. Nobody every said it was only mercury,

> only that it's the best suspect. The mercury is mostly out of

> vaccines and we should have seen some drop, not increase in autism if

> the Mercury Hypothesis carries weight, I would think.

>

> Lenny

I would like to see a response from SafeMinds regarding the current

California Stats. They have in the past, as so well documented in EOH,

been able to explain why things are or are not. If they cannot

logically explain the increase in new cases, the Mercury Hypothesis is

probably dead.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > The strongest hypothesis we have out there for the cause of

autism is

> > the Mercury Hypothesis. This is not the Mercury and Everything

and

> > the Kitchen Sink Hypothesis. Nobody every said it was only

mercury,

> > only that it's the best suspect. The mercury is mostly out of

> > vaccines and we should have seen some drop, not increase in

autism if

> > the Mercury Hypothesis carries weight, I would think.

> >

> > Lenny

>

> I would like to see a response from SafeMinds regarding the current

> California Stats. They have in the past, as so well documented in

EOH,

> been able to explain why things are or are not. If they cannot

> logically explain the increase in new cases, the Mercury Hypothesis

is

> probably dead.

>

> Charlie

I should also add that if the Hypothesis is dead, I bet EOH the Movie

is probably dead too.

Charlie

[Guest guest]

How does anyone actually know for sure that mercury is mostly out of

the vaccines? Just because TPTB say so?

>

>

> The strongest hypothesis we have out there for the cause of autism is

> the Mercury Hypothesis. This is not the Mercury and Everything and

> the Kitchen Sink Hypothesis. Nobody every said it was only mercury,

> only that it's the best suspect. The mercury is mostly out of

> vaccines and we should have seen some drop, not increase in autism if

> the Mercury Hypothesis carries weight, I would think.

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe the mercury isn't really out of the vaccines?

Heidi

From: "Charlie Hoover" <.Hoover@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:18:36 -0000

>> > The strongest hypothesis we have out there for the cause of autism is> the Mercury Hypothesis. This is not the Mercury and Everything and> the Kitchen Sink Hypothesis. Nobody every said it was only mercury,> only that it's the best suspect. The

[Guest guest]

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that Mom passes off toxins

to the fetus quite easily. I had amalgams replaced less than 12

months before becoming pregnant.

in Houston

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

> Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound

a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side

to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

> the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort

of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was

dismayed

> to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

> from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Because of the epigenetic damage. Babies are entering a pool have x

number of toxic (vaccinated) generations at a rate faster than

somewhat reducing the toxicity of vaccines are having an impact. Once

I read about the Skinner rat study everything seemed to fall into

place for me.

http://washington-state-

magazine.wsu.edu/stories/2005/August/portals.html

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

To the group

I have been studying the evolution of autism in quebec for ove 3

years , in the beginning I also assume it was the mercury in the

vaccine and other heavy metals found in the environment.

But gradually I realised that ,I was seing something different .

in the kids born after 2002(the year that mercury was discountinued

in the vacccine) who are now comming into the school

the case of severe autism , is droping to almost zero .

But we are seing a growth in less severe case of autism !!!the

reason can be related to better diagnosis .

also it should be important to note that in quebec our kids get two

shots of MMR since 1996!!.

maybe Wakefield was right , it is the MMR , the mercury just made

thing worse !!

But ellay nmras I am talking from my

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side

to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort

of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after 2002- and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in others.morinp2003 <morinp2003@...> wrote: To the group I have been studying the evolution of autism in quebec for ove 3 years , in the beginning I also assume it was the mercury in the vaccine and other heavy metals found in the environment.But gradually I realised that ,I was seing something different .in the kids born after 2002(the year that mercury was discountinued in the

vacccine) who are now comming into the school the case of severe autism , is droping to almost zero .But we are seing a growth in less severe case of autism !!!the reason can be related to better diagnosis .also it should be important to note that in quebec our kids get two shots of MMR since 1996!!.maybe Wakefield was right , it is the MMR , the mercury just made thing worse !!But ellay nmras I am talking from my >> > Hello,> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a> little weak. > > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to

put in the> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of> explanation.> > Lenny > > > > Dear Mr Schafer,> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from> the DDS. > > Puzzled in Mtn View.> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>

> But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after 2002-

and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in others.

Yes, yes. But there should still be some drop.

Lenny

[Guest guest]

RE: Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

Maybe the mercury isn't really out of the vaccines?

Heidi

________________________

If true, this would be the best explanation of them all, not to

mention the biggest travesty. It shouldn't be too hard to test this.

Random analysis of vaccines.

Lenny

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Lenny. There should be some drop. I was only responding to the person from Canada(I think) who had been studying it. Sorry if this confused youschaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote: >> But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after 2002-and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in others.Yes, yes. But there should

still be some drop.Lenny __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

the other point was most interesting--but who is going to do testing for mercury in vaccines- the CDC, the FDA, W himself????????????????Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote: I agree with you Lenny. There should be some drop. I was only responding to the person from Canada(I think) who had been studying it. Sorry if this confused youschaferatsprynet <schafersprynet> wrote: >> But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after 2002-and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in others.Yes, yes. But there should still be some drop.Lenny __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

is anyone randomly testing the vials? don't think

so....

--- Maurine Meleck <maurine_meleck@...> wrote:

> I agree with you Lenny. There should be some drop.

> I was only responding to the person from Canada(I

> think) who had been studying it. Sorry if this

> confused you

>

> schaferatsprynet <schafer@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > But some kids were still getting the mercury laden

> shots after 2002-

> and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in

> trace amounts in others.

>

> Yes, yes. But there should still be some drop.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Let's remember that the ban on mercury in vaccines didn't take

effect until July 1, 2006. Now that they've reduced the amount of

mercury in the childhood vaccines, they've increased the amount

of flu vaccine recommended (via expectant mother up to the

age of 6). They also had a six week exception to the mercury ban

last winter, claiming there a shortage of flu vaccine.

Becky

[Guest guest]

Is anyone ready to look at the one KNOWN cause of autism yet?

Rubella infection in the mothers during the 1st trimester of pregnancy.

This current generation of autism moms has been vaccinated with a live

virus vaccine for rubella that perhaps - like the problematic live

chickenpox vaccine virus - causes an atypical chronic infection that

can reactivate from time to time - of course reactivation can be

symptom-free so the mom may never know she had any illness at all.

There's a paper on this topic at:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/autismrubella.pdf

Also, you can find published studies from the 1980's where chronic

rubella infection post vaccination was documented. Look up Chantler

and Tingle's works.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lenny, Hope this helps.

A small amount of mercury can cause a lot of damage, hence the skull

and crossbones.

I agree with those who say mercury alone is not the explanation.

However, a large number of kids born in this century received injected

Thimerosal in utero or in the first year of life just as the kids born

in the 1990's did.

The mercury was never removed from vaccines time line:

1) Pre-12/31/2002

FDA to Congressman Weldon letter on the Safeminds website. See page

2-3. Thimerosal containing vaccines were shipped in 2001 with 2002

expiration dates. The myth of Thimerosal removal in 1999 is based on

a toothless recommendation in a press release.

2) End of 2002

Senator Frist engineers a Liability provision as part of the Homeland

Security Act. Majority leader Lott rescinds that provision when

Congress reconvenes in early 2003.

Unless infants or pregnant women receive the flu shot, 2003 could be a

year without Thimerosal.

CDC can not recommend flu shots at this time, partly because it has

Thimerosal, and the IOM has not exonerated Thimerosal yet.

3) 2003, enter SARS (not the Autism Report, Lenny)

Though the flu shot is not recommended for infants in 2003, many

parents I know elect to give their children flu shots in the mistaken

belief that it would protect against SARS.

4) May 2004 - present

May 24, 2004- ACIP recommends Flu shot with Thimerosal for infants AND

PREGNANT WOMEN. The IOM report exonerating Thimerosal is also

released in May 2004.

The flu shot uptake rate nationally and in California doubles each

year, 2002 to 2003 and 2003 to 2004.

I do not believe stats are kept on the uptake rate for the flu shot by

pregnant women.

IOM report exonerating Thimerosal, May 2004

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/504_iom.html

Article http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3225/is_1_70/ai_n6159393

Primary document http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5306a1.htm

2003 report:

2 doses of flu National = 4.4%, CA = 4.6% coverage

1 dose of flu National = 7.4%, CA 6.9%

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/NIS/03/toc-03.htm

2004 report (SARS scare year):

2 doses of flu National = 8.4%, CA = 7.5%

1 dose of flu National = 17.5%, CA = 14.7%

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/NIS/04/toc-04.htm

2005 report (May 2004, CDC adds flu to recommended)

2 doses of flu National = 17.8%, CA = 15.4%

1 dose of flu National = 33.4%, CA = 30.7%

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/NIS/05/toc-05.htm

>

> RE: Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

>

> Maybe the mercury isn't really out of the vaccines?

>

> Heidi

>

> ________________________

>

> If true, this would be the best explanation of them all, not to

> mention the biggest travesty. It shouldn't be too hard to test this.

> Random analysis of vaccines.

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

15% of the U.S. population is Rh- (so 7.5 are female)....look at our Rh- moms and autism....now think about starting in 2003 it has been recommended that EVERY pregnant woman (not just 7.5%) take a shot with hg....I feel sure the number of pregnant women taking a hg flu shot is far greater than 7.5%.

I always thought after the ACIP started advising pregnant women to take the flu shot in 2003, the rate would go up even higher (a fetus is much more likely to become damaged from hg than an infant).

Let's not forget those valuable lessons on hg toxicity that we all learned while reading the Simpsonwood transcript:

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 162: "When I saw this, and I went back through the literature, I was actually stunned by what I saw because I thought it is plausible … Now, I don't know how much you can extrapolate that from animals to humans, but that tells me mercury at one month of age is not the same as mercury at three months, at 12 months, prenatal mercury, later mercury. There is a whole range of plausible outcomes from mercury…"

If the early 90s tripling the hg was the tsunami....recommending all U.S. pregnant women receive a flu shot with hg made for a mega tsunami.

Are there any stats on how many pregnant women are actually taking the flu shot?

My 2 cents-

>> > Hello,> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a> little weak. > > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of> explanation.> > Lenny > > > > Dear Mr Schafer,> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from> the DDS. > > Puzzled in Mtn View.>

[Guest guest]

and All,

You all are asking the wrong question.

The question everyone shouls be asking is:

" Why haven't all uses of Thimerosla and other

mercury compounds been BANNED from medicine? "

With respect to your question:

" Why isn't autism rate dropping by now? "

you forget that the total number of cases

does NOT indicate the " autism rate "

To get a valid estimate of " autism rate, " you

would need to have the total population of

children for each quarter and some additional

information -- which these reports do NOT

furnish.

With these things in mind, then your timeline

also needs correcting and some other important

information needs to be considered.

Factually,

1. CDC began recommending flu shot for

pregnant women in 2nd & 3rd trimester

and children 6 months to 23 months

in April of 2002 (see MMWR April 12,

2002 / Vol. 51 / No. RR-3 -RR-34) (NOT

in 2003 as you incorrectly assert) and

in the 2006 - 2007 flu season, about

30% of pregnant women received a flu

shot.

2. Thimerosal-preserved doses of existing

vaccines did NOT expore until late

2004/early 2005 in some cases and, until

2004, Thimerosal-preserved vaccines

were converted to " reduced Thimerosal "

formulations om most cases and NOT to

" no Thimerosal " formulations and no

recalls were initiated for Thimerosal-

containing vaccines.

3. To this day, some vaccines and other drugs

approved for administration to children

are still being distributed & used in U.S.

4. As Senator Enzi recently confirmed, the

vaccine makers are STILL making & shipping

U.S. FDA-approved Thimerosal-preserved

vaccines to developing countries.

5. Specific dose, and not dose perse, and

susceptibility are critical parameter

that affect the degree of mercury poisoning.

6. California data is NOT consistent with the

data in the other states because of higher

population growth and higher growth in

children as well as higher background

levels of exposure from other environmental

sources (forest fires, power plant emissions

from local and Far East (China) plants,

crematatoriums, cement plant emissions,

dust and drinking water) than in most

other states and Canada.

Hopefully, you and others will stop focusing on

the California numbers which are NOT corrected

for the developing-country population growth

rates and other factors and start looking into

the data from other states and countries (Canada)

where there is clear evidence that the level of

autism is dropping significantly even though the

level of ASDs is flat to declining slightly.

Moreover, in those who do in-depth assessments,

the severity of the harm is, on average, decreasing

in the cohort year for children born in 2003.

Since most children are NOT diagnosed with autism

before age 3, the September 2007 " autism " data are

for children born before mid-2004 and up through

2006 California's restrictions on Thimnerosal-preserved

vaccines have been circumvented by declaring an

" availability " emergency so the effect of REMOVING

ALL Thimerosal-containing vaccines from the flu shots

given to pregnant women and young children will NOT

be " observable " before the end of 2010 at the earliest

PROVIDED NO " availability " emergency is declared for

this or any subsequent " flu " season.

Hopefully, these comments have addressed the " true "

timeline for the " removal " of Thimerosal from

vaccines and noted other factors that the raw

numbers do not address.

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PS: The current " Flu Shot " formulations do NOT

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At 03:12 10/23/07 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Lenny, Hope this helps.

>

>A small amount of mercury can cause a lot of

>damage, hence the skull and crossbones.

>

>I agree with those who say mercury alone is

>not the explanation. However, a large number

>of kids born in this century received injected

>Thimerosal in utero or in the first year of

>life just as the kids born in the 1990's did.

>

>The mercury was never removed from vaccines time line:

>

>1) Pre-12/31/2002

>

>FDA to Congressman Weldon letter on the Safeminds website. See page

>2-3. Thimerosal containing vaccines were shipped in 2001 with 2002

>expiration dates. The myth of Thimerosal removal in 1999 is based on

>a toothless recommendation in a press release.

>

>2) End of 2002

>

>Senator Frist engineers a Liability provision as part of the Homeland

>Security Act. Majority leader Lott rescinds that provision when

>Congress reconvenes in early 2003.

>

>Unless infants or pregnant women receive the flu shot, 2003 could be a

>year without Thimerosal.

>

>CDC can not recommend flu shots at this time, partly because it has

>Thimerosal, and the IOM has not exonerated Thimerosal yet.

>

>3) 2003, enter SARS (not the Autism Report, Lenny)

>

>Though the flu shot is not recommended for infants in 2003, many

>parents I know elect to give their children flu shots in the mistaken

>belief that it would protect against SARS.

>

>4) May 2004 - present

>

>May 24, 2004- ACIP recommends Flu shot with Thimerosal for infants AND

>PREGNANT WOMEN. The IOM report exonerating Thimerosal is also

>released in May 2004.

>

>The flu shot uptake rate nationally and in California doubles each

>year, 2002 to 2003 and 2003 to 2004.

>

>I do not believe stats are kept on the uptake rate for the flu shot by

>pregnant women.

>

>IOM report exonerating Thimerosal, May 2004

>http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2004/504_iom.html

>

>Article http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3225/is_1_70/ai_n6159393

>

>Primary document http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5306a1.htm

>

>2003 report:

>

>2 doses of flu National = 4.4%, CA = 4.6% coverage

>1 dose of flu National = 7.4%, CA 6.9%

>http://www.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/NIS/03/toc-03.htm

>

>2004 report (SARS scare year):

>

>2 doses of flu National = 8.4%, CA = 7.5%

>1 dose of flu National = 17.5%, CA = 14.7%

>http://www.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/NIS/04/toc-04.htm

>

>2005 report (May 2004, CDC adds flu to recommended)

>

>2 doses of flu National = 17.8%, CA = 15.4%

>1 dose of flu National = 33.4%, CA = 30.7%

>http://www.cdc.gov/nip/coverage/NIS/05/toc-05.htm

>

>

>

>

>>

>> RE: Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

>>

>> Maybe the mercury isn't really out of the vaccines?

>>

>> Heidi

>>

>> ________________________

>>

>> If true, this would be the best explanation of them all, not to

>> mention the biggest travesty. It shouldn't be too hard to test this.

>> Random analysis of vaccines.

>>

>> Lenny

>>

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