Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

[Guest guest]

My one good friend has a 3 year old son, dx "Autism", who's completely unvaccinated, Mom did not get any flu shots or Rhogam or any other shots, didn't eat any seafood, didn't have dental work done, etc., etc. She already knew what to watch out for in regards to Hg because they already had one son with ASD long before considering having this second child. But, alas, even with avoiding all of these sources of Hg exposure, the 2nd son (the 3 year old), also suffers with Autism and heavy metal toxicity. According to his French porphyrins test, this 3 year old's mercury toxicity level was one of the worst ever seen in his DAN doctor's practice - a very prominent DAN who treats thousands of children and has seen oodles of porphyrin test results. So, it would seem that environmental Hg exposure has got to be a big issue, at least for this one little boy. He is also highly lead toxic, and has excessive herpes family viral titers (although the Valtrex protocol has done a big "nothing" for helping him to get any better).

Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

This is a good question. Can anyone here whose child received only the thimerisal-reduced vaccines speak to their experiences? Did you child receive the flu shot? Did YOU receive a flu shot?I'm wondering the following:- can flu shots given even years before pregnancy affect the fetus? If the baby has trouble ridding the body of mercury, maybe the mom does too, to a lesser degree.- are "thimerisal free" really so? Isn't the mercury removed after production? Maybe more mercury is there than they admit, or maybe it does something to the vaccine to make it more dangerous. R>> > Hello,> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a> little weak. > > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of> explanation.> > Lenny > > > > Dear Mr Schafer,> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from> the DDS. > > Puzzled in Mtn View.>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if it has to do with " over " diagnoses. Now that awareness is

rising pediatricians want to diagnose them early so they can get early

intervention. Most doctors used to wait to diagnose, but the message

they are getting now is diagnose and treat early. This can lead to a

lot of misdiagnoses.

My own experience with my two boys parallels that. My eight year old

was diagnosed at 19 months (by me) treated, recovered.

His younger brother, not vaccinated - has always had a few

" characteristics " but not enough to put him into the PDD category. I had

him in early intervention for language delays, he was released. At age

6 I had him evaluated for A.D.D. this renowned physician spent two

days with my son, I paid a boat load of money, and he diagnosed him

with PDD-NOS

at age 6. As a family we were devastated, how could we have missed

this? We have lived autism 24/7 for the last 6 years.

I took this doctors report to school for a " special ed " and they

essentially laughed at me. It's taken our family a few months to

realize that our youngest does NOT have PDD despite this doctors

extensive analysis.

So I really wonder about over diagnosis at this point.

[Guest guest]

Why should there be a drop in the numbers? If anything, I would expect a drop in

the

severity... as has been noticed by a few autism docs I've spoken to.

There's still SOME mercury out there... still some in the shots. Still mercury

in mom's

mouth... and possibly some of these kids' mouths... there's still a lot of

aluminum in the

shots... and plenty of MMR to infect these kids and trigger autoimmunity...

The kids who are susceptible are merely getting milder injuries than the kids in

the 90's

were getting. But I bet the numbers are not going to go down... except in

severity. Until

the pediatric vacc schedule is totally overhauled... we're going to bankrupt our

children

before they're adults.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

My opinion from personal experience and from other parent's stories

is it's the MMR. The child gets the MMR shot and gets very sick,

bad gut, lose of words, loses eye contact, you know the story. I

have no idea whether all the vaccines with or without Thimerosal

leading up to that point has anything to do with it but a lot of

these kids react within hours of getting the MMR. Even the Cedillo

case stated the horrible reaction to the MMR and at the same time

they are trying to prove the mercury in the vaccines prior to the

MMR started the chain of events. Somebody on here said a while ago

don't put all our eggs in the Thimerosal basket which I think

appropriate.

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side

to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort

of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

Several kids in our community were misdiagnosed with PDD/NOS. Lead

and genetic factors (as well as mercury) can cause language delay

but language delay is not autism. It can be part of it but not all

of it. The families reported that early intervention staff behaved

like a cult and pursued families who weren't quite convinced their

kids were permanently challenged, trying to pressure the families to

place their kids in special autism programs.

All those divorcees who'd gone back to school or really young girls

with fresh BAs had gone to work in special services and were all

geared up for an epidemic, felt needed, useful, important, like

experts. White women armed with African prints, jaunty hats and

giant ethnic earrings (hey, I make jewelry, but they all wore the

same stuff and it was weird. It definitely had the look of a social

service culture) and a two year degree. The glut of EI therapists

was probably only in areas with adaquate funding, but it was true in

our area. When the dip started happening in 2005, there may have

been a bit of a panic and some empty spaces to fill around here.

Apparently not any more, though, since the rate is spiking again.

I heard how EI therapists were pursuing the family of one local girl

who I swear WAS autistic. Toe-walking, hand-gazing, echolalia, a

dozen tantrums a day and more. She spontaneously recovered with no

intervention (except some speech therapy) and was on the worst diet.

Koolwhip, hotdogs, white bread, dairy-everything and her mother

didn't hesitate to dose her up with cold medicine to force the child

to sleep. All I could conclude from it was that estrogen sure does

help with excretion. She's at the top of her class in math, fine in

reading, tons of friends. You can still see the tell-tale remnants

of encephalitis: though her head-size is no longer dwarf-like in

proportion to her body, the outside corners of her eyes are

stretched and dip down in a very unusual way that doesn't ressemble

the family.

The girl was still misdiagnosed- she was misdiagnosed with GENETIC

autism when she really had toxic autism. " The kind that goes away " ?

The thing is, it's harder to be mistaken about classic autism and

Rollen's reports doesn't include PDD-NOS. I'm wondering if MR is

being diagnosed as classic autism?

>

> I wonder if it has to do with " over " diagnoses. Now that awareness

is

> rising pediatricians want to diagnose them early so they can get

early

> intervention. Most doctors used to wait to diagnose, but the

message

> they are getting now is diagnose and treat early. This can lead to

a

> lot of misdiagnoses.

>

> My own experience with my two boys parallels that. My eight year

old

> was diagnosed at 19 months (by me) treated, recovered.

>

> His younger brother, not vaccinated - has always had a few

> " characteristics " but not enough to put him into the PDD category.

I had

> him in early intervention for language delays, he was released. At

age

> 6 I had him evaluated for A.D.D. this renowned physician spent two

> days with my son, I paid a boat load of money, and he diagnosed him

> with PDD-NOS

> at age 6. As a family we were devastated, how could we have missed

> this? We have lived autism 24/7 for the last 6 years.

>

> I took this doctors report to school for a " special ed " and they

> essentially laughed at me. It's taken our family a few months to

> realize that our youngest does NOT have PDD despite this doctors

> extensive analysis.

>

> So I really wonder about over diagnosis at this point.

>

[Guest guest]

When did anodyzed aluminum pots come on the market? We threw our

Cephalon set out because the surface quickly degraded, exposing the

aluminum.

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with

sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our

side to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put

in the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some

sort of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was

dismayed to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent

numbers from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kanner's case two or three, reported by Olmsted, showed evidence of

both thimerosal and (wild) viral exposure back in the thirties. Is

it that disorder may require both conditions, like nitro and

glycerin? Like everything in modern times, it looks like the

negative process could have been expediated by excellerating the

virus (shooting it into the bloodstream deliberately) and the

mercury (adding aluminum into the mix).

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

> Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with

sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our

side

> to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put

in

> the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some

sort

> of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was

dismayed

> to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent

numbers

> from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

We need to consider the aluminum as well. Yes, we all know of the synergistic

effects of it

with Hg. It is very toxic by itself and I am 95% certain the amounts do not

have to be

disclosed. Bottom line is we simply don't know. When we say we do we lose

major

credibility, just like the CDC.

Mike

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Recent Harvard University research found "The number of American children with chronic illnesses has quadrupled since the time when some of their parents were kids. It also found "twice the asthma rates since the 1980's..and...a jump in the number of attention-deficit disorder cases are driving the growth of chronic illnesses".

Moreover, Professor Philippe Grandjean, from Harvard University and the University of Southern Denmark, considered the foremost scientific authority on the development of children's brains, has recently claimed the average human IQ is "plummeting" primarily due to IQ points in the population being chemically destroyed via low-level mercury exposure in children.

I don't think Professor Grandjean used the term "plummeting" carelessly. I also agree with him, the loss is most likely due to "low-level mercury exposure in children", which would naturally include those "trace" amounts still remaining in vaccines.

Perhaps instead of asking "Why isn't the autism rate dropping by now?", we should be asking:

"Why the most heavily vaccinated generation in history is losing IQ points and is far less healthier than were their own parents, just one generation removed?"

Are we to believe this generation is suffering the first recorded "genetic meltdown" in history?

See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

[Guest guest]

I have no doubt the MMR is the major culprit. Thimerosal is the precursor. Use a

potent

neurotoxin to suppress the immune system... then introduce a live virus to

create a

chronic infection of the gut... let it get into the spinal & brain fluid...

change the cells it

infects enough to create autoimmunity... and you get ASD.

But it doesn't always have to be thimerosal. It could be maternal mercury

burden. Or other

exposures to heavy metals (mercury/aluminum/lead)...

Either way, the immune system is repressed prior to a viral infection...

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

> Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side

> to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

> the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort

> of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

> to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

> from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have a friend whose son is diagnosed with HFA. I met her husband. I have no idea how no one ever diagnosed him with something on the spectrum. Mom reports she saw a huge regression in her son immediately after MMR. She did not vaccinate any more after noticing the changes in her child. I agree, the eggs should not all be in the thimerisol basket, but I have no doubt that vaccines in general are causing an entire generation to become ill. Autoimmune. Neurologically damaged, whatever the "label", I strongly believe it's all vaccine connected. Sophiatismcharge <mark.connolly.cgb5@...> wrote: My opinion from personal experience and from other parent's stories is it's the MMR. The child gets the MMR shot and gets very sick, bad gut, lose of words, loses eye contact, you know the story. I have no idea whether all the vaccines with or without Thimerosal leading up to that point has anything to do with it but a lot of these kids react within hours of getting the MMR. Even the Cedillo case stated the horrible reaction to the MMR and at the same time they are trying to prove the mercury in the vaccines prior to the MMR started the chain of events. Somebody on here said a while ago don't put all our eggs in the Thimerosal basket which I think appropriate. >> > Hello,> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer Autism> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a> little weak. > > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in the> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of> explanation.> > Lenny > > > > Dear Mr Schafer,> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers from> the DDS. > > Puzzled in Mtn View.> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

You must live somewhere near me...I believe I've been the victim of some of those uh...."therapists". They were quick to *diagnose* any child with any type of delay, with autism. Fact is, they were legally not permitted to diagnose anyone with anything. Every kid with a speech delay got the PDD diagnosis. I'll never forget the words "well if it looks like a duck....". Amazing.... I think they got those degrees at Sears. Heard they sold them over Presidents' Day weekend. Sign your name, pay a few bucks and you're out the door. That's not to say there are not some physicians that do same. Amazing. anacat_11 <anacat_11@...> wrote: Several kids in our community were misdiagnosed with PDD/NOS. Lead and genetic factors (as well as mercury) can cause language delay but language delay is not autism. It can be part of it but not all of it. The families reported that early intervention staff behaved like a cult and pursued families who weren't quite convinced their kids were permanently challenged, trying to pressure the families to place their kids in special autism programs. All those divorcees who'd gone back to school or really young girls with fresh BAs had gone to work in special services and were all geared up for an epidemic, felt needed, useful, important,

like experts. White women armed with African prints, jaunty hats and giant ethnic earrings (hey, I make jewelry, but they all wore the same stuff and it was weird. It definitely had the look of a social service culture) and a two year degree. The glut of EI therapists was probably only in areas with adaquate funding, but it was true in our area. When the dip started happening in 2005, there may have been a bit of a panic and some empty spaces to fill around here. Apparently not any more, though, since the rate is spiking again.I heard how EI therapists were pursuing the family of one local girl who I swear WAS autistic. Toe-walking, hand-gazing, echolalia, a dozen tantrums a day and more. She spontaneously recovered with no intervention (except some speech therapy) and was on the worst diet. Koolwhip, hotdogs, white bread, dairy-everything and her mother didn't hesitate to dose her up with cold medicine to force

the child to sleep. All I could conclude from it was that estrogen sure does help with excretion. She's at the top of her class in math, fine in reading, tons of friends. You can still see the tell-tale remnants of encephalitis: though her head-size is no longer dwarf-like in proportion to her body, the outside corners of her eyes are stretched and dip down in a very unusual way that doesn't ressemble the family. The girl was still misdiagnosed- she was misdiagnosed with GENETIC autism when she really had toxic autism. "The kind that goes away"?The thing is, it's harder to be mistaken about classic autism and Rollen's reports doesn't include PDD-NOS. I'm wondering if MR is being diagnosed as classic autism? >> I wonder if it has to do with "over" diagnoses.

Now that awareness is> rising pediatricians want to diagnose them early so they can get early> intervention. Most doctors used to wait to diagnose, but the message> they are getting now is diagnose and treat early. This can lead to a> lot of misdiagnoses.> > My own experience with my two boys parallels that. My eight year old> was diagnosed at 19 months (by me) treated, recovered.> > His younger brother, not vaccinated - has always had a few> "characteristics" but not enough to put him into the PDD category. I had > him in early intervention for language delays, he was released. At age> 6 I had him evaluated for A.D.D. this renowned physician spent two> days with my son, I paid a boat load of money, and he diagnosed him> with PDD-NOS > at age 6. As a family we were devastated, how could we have missed> this? We have lived autism 24/7

for the last 6 years.> > I took this doctors report to school for a "special ed" and they> essentially laughed at me. It's taken our family a few months to> realize that our youngest does NOT have PDD despite this doctors> extensive analysis. > > So I really wonder about over diagnosis at this point.> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Lenny, et.al.

We posed the same question to the Geiers and I'm sure they would not mind me

posting their response...

" Additionally, unfortunately they also gave an emergency exception to allow

Thimerosal containing vaccines last year. Therefore, this coming flu season

will be the first year they really give Thimerosal

reduced or free vaccines unless of course they again grant an emergency

exception which could well happen. "

Dr Mark Geier

Also, I believe they were still allowed to have thimerosal laden vaccines on

their shelves until 2006.

Mike Dow

[Guest guest]

Hi Dr. King,

Thanks for the feedback. Mostly ACIP's words below, not mine.

In 2002. flu shots were " encouraged when feasible " for healthy children aged

6-23

months. In 2004, ACIP upgraded flu shots to " recommended " for children 6-23

months.

In 2002, flu shots were recommended for pregnant women who were 1) at increased

risk,

2) during the flu season, 3) during the 2nd and 3rd trimester. In 2004, ACIP

upgraded the

recommendation to 1) all women 2) regardless of time of year 3) during any

trimester.

(April 2002 - re, children) " Because children aged 6--23 months are at

substantially

increased risk for influenza-related hospitalizations, influenza vaccination of

all children

in this age group is encouraged when feasible. However, before a full

recommendation to

annually vaccinate all children aged 6--23 months can be made, ACIP, the

American

Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Academy of Family Physicians recognize

that

certain key concerns must be addressed. "

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5103a1.htm

(April 2002 - re: pregnant women) " Vaccination is recommended for the following

groups

of persons who are at increased risk for complications from influenza:....women

who will

be in the second or third trimester of pregnancy during the influenza season. "

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5103a1.htm

(May 2004 - re: pregnant women), " after the survey was conducted, ACIP published

simplified recommendations, which stated that vaccination is recommended in any

trimester for healthy pregnant women and pregnant women with high-risk medical

conditions…

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/515163_2

> >>

> >> RE: Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

> >>

> >> Maybe the mercury isn't really out of the vaccines?

> >>

> >> Heidi

> >>

> >> ________________________

> >>

> >> If true, this would be the best explanation of them all, not to

> >> mention the biggest travesty. It shouldn't be too hard to test this.

> >> Random analysis of vaccines.

> >>

> >> Lenny

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What I don't get is that the CDC, IOM, FDA (and any other alphabet

soup group out there) are not in PANIC mode that these rates are

F**KING HUGE!!!! All they want to point out is " the mercury is out so

you guys were wrong " First the mercury is NOT out and second what

about the ENVIRONMENTAL toxins that surround us daily--add a few

vaccines with Aluminum and Formaldyhide and you get very sick kids.

Let's stop thinking that is was just the mercury in the vax and look

at the bigger picture.

Tina

> >

> > But some kids were still getting the mercury laden shots after

2002-

> and it's not out of the flu vaccine and it's in trace amounts in

others.

>

> Yes, yes. But there should still be some drop.

>

> Lenny

>

[Guest guest]

One reason, Medicaid - children on Medicaid still get vaccines with Hg

and all the other crap.

Also want to point out the use of Rubber gloves, IV tubing, other meds

used in hospitals,have Tungsten.

What about Pitocin used to induce labor? Most parents use disposable

diapers- which contain, Cadmium.

I wonder if tap water is being tested as well

for heavy metals? If its found to have mercury - how well can they

remove it?

What used to happen at the hospitals when you broke

a glass thermometer - is you'd wipe it up and put it down the sink!

I see Hospitals are still using Tylenol - like its safe for our

children -which shuts off the liver to detox for 21 days.

Whats being used in building materials? Carpeting? Lighting sources,

everything has plastic wrapped foods. Is coming in contact with this

over and over everyday, depeting our immune systems?

Our enviroment is more toxic.

In EOHarm , " schaferatsprynet " <schafer@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

Autism

> Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> little weak.

>

> Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

the

> SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> explanation.

>

> Lenny

>

>

>

> Dear Mr Schafer,

> Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

to

> see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

from

> the DDS.

>

> Puzzled in Mtn View.

>

[Guest guest]

Acetominaphin is made from coal tar and converts to a canabinoid in

the body. Aside from shutting down the liver, I wonder if it doesn't

seriously impact brain development and brain structure.

Of course if canabinoids caused autism, a lot of children on the

spectrum would have been born to hippy moms in the sixties and

seventies. It might contribute to behavior problems, though.

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

> Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with

sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our

side to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put

in

> the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some

sort of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was

dismayed

> to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent

numbers

> from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Check out the group childrensapraxia - there you will find

the " less severe " cases... shall I say flooding the field.

It's all about toxicity. All of it.

My son born 12-02, he was only 5 lb 12 oz - got the be-damned Heb B

shot complete with a waiver stating " thirmarisol " . I had no clue and

no one offered me " a clue " .

I ate white tuna nearly every day of my pregnancy - Dr. suggested it

since I was a vegetarian and needed a good protien source.

He got more thirmarisol up to 6 mos- I recall signing a waiver. Huge

reaction to the Dtap at 4 mos.

I have several broken amalgums.

We stopped vaccinating at 6 months. He started out the gate fine,

nursed like a champ, but with each vaccines his develpment slowed by

nine months he wouldn't eat anything but formula, and was

content " lazy " baby. All gross and fine motor skills delayed, walked

and talked late - still unintellible and speech delayed. Ear

infections and chronic runny nose, tubes at 2.5.

He was hard to dx. Still has no " autism " dx - but only because he

didn't have any of the obvious traits (no MMR).

Simply Hg poisened - impaired detoxification. MMR would have put him

over the edge, no question.

Also, I know of several Mom's with not quite right kids / boys

mostly. Ear problems, speech problems, behavior issues, gut issues, a

lot of asthma and allergies. The Mom's are clueless because they

fear the " A " word, they don't look.

The local Ped continues to talk down to the concerned Moms and put

out a nice one pager to " satisfy " them. I read it, it's convincing.

my 2 cents.

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

> Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side

> to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

> the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort

> of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was

dismayed

> to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

> from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Lol, either we live close or we live in doppelganger communities.

I met a former OT at the ICSPP conference who was howling at my

description of the big earrings. She quit the biz because what it

had turned into was an disgruntled, undereducated chick culture.

This isn't to knock women. Sociologically speaking, I read that

women-bonded organizations can be very positive unless they're

basically headed by violent patriarchal ideology and leaders. Then

what you get are ass-kissers grovling and brown-nosing for

recognition and amnesty in their accepted roles of inferior females.

And that would account for the behavior of women under the auspices

of HHS at the moment. The idea was confirmed when our particular EI

crew met my husband and cooed like a pack of Zelda chickens from

Foghorn Leghorn (Ooooh, it's a MA-AN!). Pretty funny.

We knew the therapists had no certified authority to diagnose and

noticed they got around the problem by using terms which removed a

little of the official language. They'd say, " sensory integration

issues " instead of " sensory integration disorder " . They also

pronounced " diagnosis " as " dee ex " . So trendy and insy-poo! They

were so hungry for your kid to be ASD that they panted. And they

spent more time trying to brainwash that thimerosal didn't cause

autism than they did enriching speech.

Because of the therapists' behavior, I misguidedly thought the

epidemic was an invention of the pharmaceutical companies at first

(I figured that, under Bush, EI was turning into a conveyor belt

towards psych drug treatment for toddlers. I was wrong about the

epidemic but wasn't that off the mark about the drugs,

unfortunately). I was quickly straightened out by an anti-

thimerosal activist- a ped who did have certified authority- who

pretty much saved our kids' brains by providing us real information

on vaccine dangers and by recommending Kirby's book.

Then an EI therapist actually solicited us on a playground when she

heard my son jargoning at me about something. I should have known

her by her smug leer, her giant earrings and big multicolor pimp

hat.

I feel sure that the nature of EI used to be different and more

helpful in most places in the past. I've heard that they can do

wonders with infants with gross motor delays and such. But things

have changed under this regime. Now it seems that EI spends as much

time gathering socio-emotional reconnaissance on families in mass

privacy incursions as they do performing therapy.

>

> You must live somewhere near me...I believe I've been the victim

of some of those uh.... " therapists " . They were quick to *diagnose*

any child with any type of delay, with autism. Fact is, they were

legally not permitted to diagnose anyone with anything.

>

> Every kid with a speech delay got the PDD diagnosis. I'll never

forget the words " well if it looks like a duck.... " . Amazing....

>

> I think they got those degrees at Sears. Heard they sold them

over Presidents' Day weekend. Sign your name, pay a few bucks and

you're out the door.

> That's not to say there are not some physicians that do same.

>

> Amazing.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, our environment IS more toxic... but not so much more so to account for the

epidemic increases since the 90's. Vaccine ingredients MUST be the majority

culprit.

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer

> Autism

> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a

> > little weak.

> >

> > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side to

> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in

> the

> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort of

> > explanation.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Schafer,

> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed

> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood

> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the

> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed

> to

> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers

> from

> > the DDS.

> >

> > Puzzled in Mtn View.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Barry,

In my view, an " encouraged when feasible " statement

by the CDC and the ACIP is a RECOMMENDATION and,

as far as I can ascertain, that is how the pediatricians

treated it -- as a RECOMMENDATION that they followed

" when feasible " from April 2002 onwards.

Moreover, your response seems to agree that the

CDC/ACIP RECOMMENDED flu shots for women pregnant

in their 2nd and 3rd trimesters during the " flu

season " starting in April of 2002.

In addition, I note that you do NOT seem to

disagree with the reality that the specific

toxicity to the developing child of a flu shot

given to a pregnant women is much larger than

the dose given to the 6 to 7 months-old child.

However, I am bemused that your response did

NOT address the critical question:

" Why haven't all uses of Thimerosal and other

mercury compounds been BANNED from medicine? "

NOR the corollary questions:

" Why is the healthcare establishment including

the vaccine makers so strongly resisting the

removal of Thimerosal and other mercury

compounds from all uses in medicine. "

" Why has the presence of Thimerosal been apparently

concealed in some drugs that contain it? "

" Why? "

Hopefully, you and others will begin to address

these questions if anyone is truly interested in

getting to the bottom of the knowing unnecessary

sub-acute mercury poisoning of developing

children from the early 1900s (by Calomel) or

from the late 1930s onwards (by Thimerosal and, to

a lesser extent, other mercury compounds) added

to vaccines, serums and other medicines without

any toxicological PROOF of SAFETY.

As far as I can ascertain from the scientific

evidence available to me, Thimerosal is still

the major factor -- with contributions from other

mercury sources (which may partially account for

the difference between California's reports and

those in other states).

The MMR vaccine and aluminium salts used as

adjuvants (absent from many of today's vaccines

and NOT, as some have asserted, a preservative)

MAY be factors in some minor precentage of those

diagnosed with an ASD -- with some of the NEW

vaccines (e.g., Menactra, ProQuad, Gardasil, and

RotaTeq) as up and coming contributing factors

to the unnecessary harm to our children based on

the VAERS reports.

Respectfully,

Dr. King

http://www.dr-king.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

At 14:24 10/23/07 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Hi Dr. King,

>

>Thanks for the feedback. Mostly ACIP's words below,

>not mine.

>

>In 2002. flu shots were " encouraged when feasible "

>for healthy children aged 6-23 months. In 2004,

>ACIP upgraded flu shots to " recommended " for

>children 6-23 months.

>

>In 2002, flu shots were recommended for pregnant women who were 1) at

increased risk,

>2) during the flu season, 3) during the 2nd and 3rd trimester. In 2004,

ACIP upgraded the

>recommendation to 1) all women 2) regardless of time of year 3) during any

trimester.

>

>(April 2002 - re, children) " Because children aged 6--23 months are at

substantially

>increased risk for influenza-related hospitalizations, influenza

vaccination of all children

>in this age group is encouraged when feasible. However, before a full

recommendation to

>annually vaccinate all children aged 6--23 months can be made, ACIP, the

American

>Academy of Pediatrics, and the American Academy of Family Physicians

recognize that

>certain key concerns must be addressed. "

>http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5103a1.htm

>

>(April 2002 - re: pregnant women) " Vaccination is recommended for the

following groups

>of persons who are at increased risk for complications from

influenza:....women who will

>be in the second or third trimester of pregnancy during the influenza

season. "

>http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5103a1.htm

>

>(May 2004 - re: pregnant women), " after the survey was conducted, ACIP

published

>simplified recommendations, which stated that vaccination is recommended

in any

>trimester for healthy pregnant women and pregnant women with high-risk

medical

>conditions…

>http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/515163_2

>

>

>

>

>>

>> and All,

>>

>> You all are asking the wrong question.

>>

>> The question everyone shouls be asking is:

>> " Why haven't all uses of Thimerosla and other

>> mercury compounds been BANNED from medicine? "

>>

>> <SNIP>>

[Guest guest]

Yes! For several years an effort has been underway to make health

care " mercury free. " Unfortunately, that effort has been placed on

blood pressure cuffs and other equipment.

The rationale is that these medical devices will pollute the

environment as medical waste. For some reason, there is no focus on

the pollutants that are injected directly into the human body,

Carolyn

>

> and All,

>

> You all are asking the wrong question.

>

> The question everyone shouls be asking is:

> " Why haven't all uses of Thimerosla and other

> mercury compounds been BANNED from medicine? "

[Guest guest]

The sad fact is without having solid verified information into the

manufacturing process and formulation of vaccines, we have no idea what

is being cooked up and injected into the children.

[Guest guest]

iN ADDITION, TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE KIDS WHO HAVE AUTISM THAT DID NOT GET THE MMR ,THEN I THINK IT HIGHLY PLAUSIBLE THAT OVER ZEALOUS USE OF ANTIBIOTICS TO TREAT THE FREQUENT INFECTIONS CAUSED BY INITIAL VACCINES OR TOXIC EXPOSURE DUE TO LOWERED IMMUNITY FROM SAID VACCINES COULD ALSO PLAY HAVOC WITH THE GUT AND ALLOW VIRUSES TO INFILTRATE THE SYSTEM.

Re: Why isn't autism rate dropping by now?

I have no doubt the MMR is the major culprit. Thimerosal is the precursor. Use a potent neurotoxin to suppress the immune system... then introduce a live virus to create a chronic infection of the gut... let it get into the spinal & brain fluid... change the cells it infects enough to create autoimmunity... and you get ASD.But it doesn't always have to be thimerosal. It could be maternal mercury burden. Or other exposures to heavy metals (mercury/aluminum/lead)...Either way, the immune system is repressed prior to a viral infection...> >> > > > Hello,> > > > I have inquiries along the lines of this letter from a Schafer > Autism> > Report reader. Most of the explanations I can come up with sound a> > little weak. > > > > Have any EOHarm list participants seen anything new from our side > to> > help explain the question. I am looking for a response to put in > the> > SAR. I am sure many of my 20,000 readers would like to some sort > of> > explanation.> > > > Lenny > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Schafer,> > Shouldn't we be seeing a downturn by now in the rate of diagnosed> > autism now that thimerasol has been removed from all childhood> > vaccines in California for a few years now? Do you know what the> > proponents of the theory have to say on the matter? I was dismayed > to> > see the news item in today's report about the most recent numbers > from> > the DDS. > > > > Puzzled in Mtn View.> >>

[Guest guest]

I'm not so sure of that. I've been seeing over the past few years that children that are a lot like my dd aren't being dx'd with autism. Instead they're getting tagged PDD-NOS by the regional centers. They tell the parents to wait a while until their children are like 8 to be re-evaluated. Then if you really think that's bogus you have to go to UCLA or find a qualified neurologist or something, which most of these parents don't do. I think it's actually being under-diagnosed at least in my area of L.A. County.

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From: laurarose_2000

I wonder if it has to do with "over" diagnoses. Now that awareness isrising pediatricians want to diagnose them early so they can get earlyintervention. Most doctors used to wait to diagnose, but the messagethey are getting now is diagnose and treat early. This can lead to alot of misdiagnoses.