Re: Now it's boozing moms that cause autism

[Guest guest]

I'm waiting for the headline that reads " Anything can cause autism at

anytime EXCEPT vaccines " . I would not be shocked to see something along

those lines.

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> > I believe.. and just my honest opinion.. the june 11th trials are

coming

> > up.. Lia

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> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=204 & objectid=10440361

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My mommy was so depressed when she found out she was pregnant with

me dad took her to Vegas to party and booze it up. Mom was 40 at the

time and my brother and sisters are 9, 10 and 12 years older than

me. No downs, FAS or ASD in the family but I did end of up being her

favorite child once she sobered up. :-)

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> > I believe.. and just my honest opinion.. the june 11th trials

are coming

> > up.. Lia

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In the 60's women regularly smoked cigarettes and drank through

pregnancy. They were dumb... of course people back then were too dumb

to notice autism all around them either...

> >

> > Precisely. Just look at the large amount of garbage that has come

> out in the last two

> > weeks. For no other reason than June 11.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, she smoked Chesterfields like a chimmeny and dad smoked Dutch

Masters Panatela cigars. God I hated going on vactions with them

via automobile.

> > >

> > > Precisely. Just look at the large amount of garbage that has

come

> > out in the last two

> > > weeks. For no other reason than June 11.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This smoking while pregnant thing back in the 60s could very well have been the start of the now-grandchild's inability to handle just the day to day stuff (paint fumes, cleaning products, etc.). While it may not have caused any noticeable "immediate" damage to their own children -- it may be what is now being diagnosed as that child's other disease state (as an adult child). That still doesn't make it genetic -- that makes the cause, "TOXIC." I am pretty sure they were loading cigarettes with the several hundred chemicals that are still used today.Roxandrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote: In the 60's women regularly smoked cigarettes and drank through pregnancy. They were dumb... of course people back then were too dumb to notice autism all around them either... > > > > Precisely. Just look at the large amount of garbage that has come > out in the last two > > weeks. For no other reason than June 11. > > >

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I would respectfully suggest those discussing whether the intake of alcohol or smoking during pregnancy contributed to the "autism epidemic", read these two articles that were posted this morning. While they relate to SIDS, they are, none-the-less, applicable to autism.

"SIDS" is a deadly, medical mystery, that occurs too frequently in countries that practice "every child by two" vaccine policies. Indeed, has ANYONE done research that would compare the rate of SIDS with undeveloped, less vaccinated countries?

Bones, do you know of such research and can you educate me on where the United States is ranked for "infant mortality"? I think I read we rank somewhere around 36th? That simply cannot be, as we are the most vaccinated country in the world. No?

In any event, yes, drinking alcohol and smoking during pregnancy is obviously harmful to the fetus, but, the alcohol and smoke must first breach the digestive system and lungs. Both are "mother nature's" (God to those of us who believe) natural defenses against viruses, bacteria's and the caveman's discovery of fire.

What about the HEP B vaccine, injected directly into the baby's immune system, within hours of birth?

Bones? Do you know of any research that suggests injecting the HEP B virus directly into a newborn infant is less dangerous than drinking alcohol and smoking during pregnancy?

After all, according to a 2003 UPI report, the CDC files contained 32,731 reports of possible reactions following HEP B vaccinations since 1991, including 10,915 emergency room visits, 685 life-threatening reactions, 3,700 hospitalizations, 1,200 disabilities and 618 deaths. Jeepers, Bones, even you would not mandate a car-seat for kids that had a safety record like this.

Read and consider the ramifications for everyone one of us:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/30630/what-killed-sally-clarks-child.thtml

Sally jury told to ignore vaccine evidence linked to death ...Daily Mail - UK

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My father always told me " Son, mommy only drinks because you cry. "

> > >

> > > Precisely. Just look at the large amount of garbage that has

come

> > out in the last two

> > > weeks. For no other reason than June 11.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Those were the days when even some doctors did commercials for

cigarettes saying what kind they smoked. Hell, wouldn't you want to

smoke the brand your doctor smoked. My dad smoked Kools- in the days

they used to have fiberglass in their filters. Anyone remember

Willie the Kool penguin?

check this out for a trip back in time

http://www.geocities.com/~jimlowe/kool/kooldex.html

My dad was a pharmacist and owned his own drugstore for a long ctime.

He smoked so much - it was like walking in a bar and not a pharmacy.

Hell, he didn't even have to be moking and if you walked in there for

2 seconds you would wreak like smoke all day.

Anyways, doctors were wrong about cigarettes. Geez, is it possible

they could be wrong about something else they advocate today?

> > > >

> > > > Precisely. Just look at the large amount of garbage that has

> come

> > > out in the last two

> > > > weeks. For no other reason than June 11.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

How you're getting into the " spirit " of the list Bones!

[Guest guest]

This is stupid. I didn't have a single alcoholic drink for 9 years

before getting pregnant with my son. Nor did I drink during pregnancy

or after.

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> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?

c_id=204 & objectid=10440361

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> Action needed over drinking in pregnancy - study

>

> 5:00AM Friday May 18, 2007

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>

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> Pregnant women who drink risk harming their fetuses permanently.

>

> Urgent action is needed to counter the high numbers of women

drinking

> during pregnancy, a study says.

>

> The study, by Rogan of Alcohol Healthwatch, says steps

need

> to be taken to prevent and treat foetal alcohol spectrum disorder

as

> well as provide support for affected families.

>

> The disorder causes birth defects and developmental disorders. It

is

> difficult to diagnose and may be associated with attention deficit

> hyperactivity disorder and autism.

>

> " With increasing drinking by women, young women in particular, we

> simply must get our heads out of the sand and fund comprehensive

> strategic action, " Ms Rogan said.

>

> The study cited surveys, which suggested 50 per cent of women

> believed drinking some alcohol during pregnancy was acceptable,

with

> 20 to 36 per cent of women drinking while pregnant.

>

> However, midwife reports said the number of pregnant teenagers

> drinking was closer to 80 per cent.

>

> Ms Rogan's study said the level of drinking during pregnancy was a

> problem that required urgent nationwide action.

>

>

> Prevention programmes targeting high-risk groups, such as

teenagers,

> should be developed. They should also research the primary health

> sector to ascertain the level of advice women of a reproductive age

> were getting and provide that sector with comprehensive education.

>

> All women of reproductive age should be screened for alcohol use

> regardless of pregnancy status, as well as during the first

antenatal

> visits, with referrals to alcohol and drug services given where

> needed.

>

> The study said the total number of people with the syndrome was

> difficult to calculate but anecdotal evidence suggested numbers,

with

> and without a diagnosis, were significant.

>

> It had also been conservatively estimated to affect one in 100

births.

>

> However, the study said the numbers were likely to be greater here

> because of the binge-drinking culture and the increase in women

> drinking.

>

> Ms Rogan said other countries were leaps and bounds ahead in

> acknowledging the issue and implementing effective prevention,

> diagnosis and support interventions.

>

> New Zealand acknowledged the existence of the syndrome but had no

> consistent policies and few financial resources allocated to it.

>

> The study said a lack of evidence had been cited why no programmes

> had been developed but, without trained professionals to diagnose

it,

> it could not be accurately assessed.

>

> Ms Rogan said the study, Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder in New

> Zealand: Activating the Awareness and Intervention Continuum, was

> intended to inform and guide the development of effective policy

and

> responses within the public sectors.

>

> - NZPA

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with this. I was marinated in cigarette

smoke throughout my gestation and childhood. I

continued the tradition and smoked from age 13 to

25.

After quitting, I developed asthma, with

cigarette smoke as one of my triggers. With

every exposure, my reaction gets worse.

Several weeks ago I went into a house that had

been smoked in. I started coughing the minute I

got there, only stayed a few minutes and kept the

cough for over 6 weeks.

I'm also super-sensitive to perfumes and dyes. I

really try to limit my (and my children's)

exposure to these things, because I don't want

any of us to end up like those poor souls, who

are so sensitive, that they have to live in

ceramic houses.

Kim

--- kelly reedy <novacmama@...> wrote:

> This smoking while pregnant thing back in the

> 60s could very well have been the start of the

> now-grandchild's inability to handle just the

> day to day stuff (paint fumes, cleaning

> products, etc.). While it may not have caused

> any noticeable " immediate " damage to their own

> children -- it may be what is now being

> diagnosed as that child's other disease state

> (as an adult child). That still doesn't make

> it genetic -- that makes the cause, " TOXIC. " I

> am pretty sure they were loading cigarettes

> with the several hundred chemicals that are

> still used today.

>

> Rox

>

> andrea52521991 <mkeller@...>

> wrote: In the

> 60's women regularly smoked cigarettes and

> drank through

> pregnancy. They were dumb... of course people

> back then were too dumb

> to notice autism all around them either...

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Precisely. Just look at the large amount

> of garbage that has come

> > out in the last two

> > > weeks. For no other reason than June 11.

> > >

> >

>

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> My father always told me " Son, mommy only

> drinks because you cry. "

>

LMAO. As the daughter of an alcoholic, I can see

the humor in this!

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Oh, I forgot to mention that my childhood doctor

used to smoke when I visited him. So did his

nurse/receptionist.

Kim

--- andrea52521991 <mkeller@...>

wrote:

> Those were the days when even some doctors did

> commercials for

> cigarettes saying what kind they smoked. Hell,

> wouldn't you want to

> smoke the brand your doctor smoked. My dad

> smoked Kools- in the days

> they used to have fiberglass in their filters.

> Anyone remember

> Willie the Kool penguin?

>

> check this out for a trip back in time

>

>

http://www.geocities.com/~jimlowe/kool/kooldex.html

>

> My dad was a pharmacist and owned his own

> drugstore for a long ctime.

> He smoked so much - it was like walking in a

> bar and not a pharmacy.

> Hell, he didn't even have to be moking and if

> you walked in there for

> 2 seconds you would wreak like smoke all day.

>

>

> Anyways, doctors were wrong about cigarettes.

> Geez, is it possible

> they could be wrong about something else they

> advocate today?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Precisely. Just look at the large

> amount of garbage that has

> > come

> > > > out in the last two

> > > > > weeks. For no other reason than June

> 11.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana, the

doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with , smoked

in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That was in

1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my own.

>

> Oh, I forgot to mention that my childhood doctor

> used to smoke when I visited him. So did his

> nurse/receptionist.

>

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

I got a good one too-my daughter(who is 32) had a first grade teacher that smoked in the classroom-that would be about 1980-81 altho she did it when the kids weren't in the classroom. How times have changed with that.andrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote: When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana, the doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with , smoked in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That was in 1994... BTW, I

never went back and found another one on my own.>> Oh, I forgot to mention that my childhood doctor> used to smoke when I visited him. So did his> nurse/receptionist.> > Kim >

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My husband said that when he went to Univ. of Oklahoma in the late 70's, there were ash trays built into the arm rests of the desks in the classroom and students would just smoke all through class, as well as the professor.  Now he teaches at a college where they are voting to ban smoking entirely from the campus.  Times really have changed!On May 18, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Maurine Meleck wrote: I got a good one too-my daughter(who is 32) had a first grade teacher that smoked in the classroom-that would be about 1980-81 altho she did it when the kids weren't in the classroom. How times have changed with that.andrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote: When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana, the doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with , smoked in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That was in 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my own.

[Guest guest]

I remember when cars had ashtrays built into the back door handles...

> > When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana, the

> > doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with , smoked

> > in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That was in

> > 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my own.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My Mom smoked when she was pregnant with me and she smoked near my son when he was a baby. I FINALLY got her to stop when he was 3 and kept getting ear infections. My son spends a lot of time over their house on the weekends (when I work). Now- my son is 7 and she stopped smoking all together after 3 trips to the hospital. She also lost her first child- underweight and premie. I always thought it was the smoking the hurt the baby (who died when he was 8 hrs old). It was around 1965.

On 5/18/07 3:05 PM, " kelly reedy " <novacmama@...> wrote:

This smoking while pregnant thing back in the 60s could very well have been the start of the now-grandchild's inability to handle just the day to day stuff (paint fumes, cleaning products, etc.). While it may not have caused any noticeable " immediate " damage to their own children -- it may be what is now being diagnosed as that child's other disease state (as an adult child). That still doesn't make it genetic -- that makes the cause, " TOXIC. " I am pretty sure they were loading cigarettes with the several hundred chemicals that are still used today.

Rox

andrea52521991 <mkeller@...> wrote:

In the 60's women regularly smoked cigarettes and drank through

pregnancy. They were dumb... of course people back then were too dumb

to notice autism all around them either...

> >

> > Precisely. Just look at the large amount of garbage that has come

> out in the last two

> > weeks. For no other reason than June 11.

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Me too, my Oldsmobile Ninetyeight Classic had ashtrays in each door w/ electric

lighters

built in.

> > > When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana, the

> > > doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with , smoked

> > > in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That was in

> > > 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my own.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had to trade my 1965 Olds 98 in for a mini van. What year was

yours? Those cars were great for beating Mustangs.

> > > > When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to

Indiana, the

> > > > doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked

with , smoked

> > > > in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That

was in

> > > > 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my

own.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Back then, car seats were used so a kid could see out the window,

Carolyn

> > > When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana,

the

> > > doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with ,

smoked

> > > in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That

was in

> > > 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my own.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Back then, car seats were used so a kid could see out the window,

Carolyn

> > > When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to Indiana,

the

> > > doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked with ,

smoked

> > > in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That

was in

> > > 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my own.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yours was definitely more " fly " than mine. Mine was an 86, but I loved it. It was

a boat, but

it was comfortable and suited to my lead foot!

> > > > > When I was pregnant with my daughter and just moved to

> Indiana, the

> > > > > doctor I was referred to by the women my husband worked

> with , smoked

> > > > > in the office. An OB-GYN smoking around pregnant women. That

> was in

> > > > > 1994... BTW, I never went back and found another one on my

> own.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I would respectfully suggest those discussing whether the intake

> of alcohol

> > or smoking during pregnancy contributed to the " autism epidemic " ,

> read these

> > two articles that were posted this morning. While they relate

> to SIDS, they

> > are, none-the-less, applicable to autism.

> >

> > " SIDS " is a deadly, medical mystery, that occurs too frequently

> in countries

> > that practice " every child by two " vaccine policies. Indeed, has

> ANYONE

> > done research that would compare the rate of SIDS with

> undeveloped, less

> > vaccinated countries?

> >

> > Bones, do you know of such research and can you educate me on

> where the

> > United States is ranked for " infant mortality " ? I think I read

> we rank somewhere

> > around 36th? That simply cannot be, as we are the most

> vaccinated country

> > in the world. No?

> >

> > In any event, yes, drinking alcohol and smoking during pregnancy

> is

> > obviously harmful to the fetus, but, the alcohol and smoke must

> first breach the

> > digestive system and lungs. Both are " mother nature's " (God to

> those of us who

> > believe) natural defenses against viruses, bacteria's and the

> caveman's

> > discovery of fire.

> >

> > What about the HEP B vaccine, injected directly into the baby's

> immune

> > system, within hours of birth?

> >

> > Bones? Do you know of any research that suggests injecting the

> HEP B virus

> > directly into a newborn infant is less dangerous than drinking

> alcohol and

> > smoking during pregnancy?

> >

> > After all, according to a 2003 UPI report, the CDC files

> contained 32,731

> > reports of possible reactions following HEP B vaccinations since

> 1991,

> > including 10,915 emergency room visits, 685 life-threatening

> reactions, 3,700

> > hospitalizations, 1,200 disabilities and 618 deaths. Jeepers,

> Bones, even you would

> > not mandate a car-seat for kids that had a safety record like

> this.

> >

> > Read and consider the ramifications for everyone one of us:

> >

> >

> > _http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/30630/what-

> killed-sally-clar

> > ks-child.thtml_

> > (http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/30630/what-

> killed-sally-clarks-child.thtml)

> >

> > _Sally jury told to ignore vaccine evidence linked to

> death ..._

> > (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?

> in_articl

> > e_id=455561 & in_page_id=1770)

> > Daily Mail - UK

> >

> >

> >

> >

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