Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

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In a message dated 2/19/01 11:16:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ROBLISFISH@... writes:

<< I would like the groups input on something.

I have my 3yo in a sensory based preschool. Many people believe that a

child with autism would benefit from a behavioral approach. However, these

same people are people that have experience with kids with just autism, not

ds and autism. What can you tall me? I realize that every child is

different. I would be interested to hear some perspectives from group

members who share my child's dual diagnosis.

Thanks- >>

,

Seth started with a major sensory program when he was three too. We just

bombarded him with any sensory things we could think of. PT, OT, ST and his

special Ed teacher all devoted part of their sessions to sensory. Once he

went to preschool, they increased it even more. I think that has made a big

change in Seth. Not only with accepting new things more easily, but with his

behaviors too. He used to scream through every therapy session until we

started sensory and the same routine with every therapist. They all did the

exact same things every session, with the last 15 minutes devoted to what

their specialty was. 15 minutes a day was better than none, like they were

getting! LOL

Gail

[Guest guest]

I would like the groups input on something.

I have my 3yo in a sensory based preschool. Many people believe that a

child with autism would benefit from a behavioral approach. However, these

same people are people that have experience with kids with just autism, not

ds and autism. What can you tall me? I realize that every child is

different. I would be interested to hear some perspectives from group

members who share my child's dual diagnosis.

Thanks-

Families for Early Autism Treatment

> <A HREF= " http://www.feat.org/ " >Click here: Families for Early Autism

> Treatment</A>

>

> This is a link to F.E.A.T. (the organization that is taking such an

active

> part in contacting NBC regarding the ER program which so many parents of

kids

> with Autism find offensive) It has links to F.E.A.T. groups thropughout

the

> U.S.A. and a few in Canada.

>

>

>

>

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Well, preschool was before 's diagnosis of autism (and subsequent lowering

to PDD-NOS), but I'll try to remember what we did. I know the biggest problem I

had when was that age is getting him to be with me in my world. I didn't

realize it was autism at the time. I just knew that he was somewhere else. I

kept getting told that was typical Down's. I did a lot of floor time (without

knowing what I was doing). I would get down on the floor with him and play

however he wanted to play. He got a lot of sensory play (the doctor mentioned

that his play today is still sensory based - I didn't really notice because it's

the way he's always played). I would just immitate him, and play like he wanted

to play until he noticed me, and then I'd start doing things along the same

lines as he was doing, but different to see if he would immitate me.

I guess in a nutshell, I would say they need a bit of both. If left strictly to

sensory play, they may stay in that little world of their own. You need someone

who can help draw them out. I read somewhere that the sensory play is because

their nervous system is immature, that it's like a baby's. They need some

measure of it. I know if someone is hyper sensitive about something (say smells)

you slowly do just that to get them used to it. But when I let have his

" pure sensory " stuff now, he tends to be like an alcoholic; he gets obsessed.

If I give him one piece of string, he runs around the house and steals

shoestrings, anything he can get his hands on.

So, now that that's as clear as mud, I guess I'm saying a child would benefit

from both sensory and behavior. He can't be left to strictly sensory or you'll

lose him. But he can't have a strictly behavior based either, or he won't

progress? If that makes sense.

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS, and celiac disease

And , 19 months and strong-willed

Both homeschooled

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did i miss something with this? was there something i missed on ER tv show?

been soo busy havent really watched this fall. shawna.

Families for Early Autism Treatment

> <A HREF= " http://www.feat.org/ " >Click here: Families for Early Autism

> Treatment</A>

>

> This is a link to F.E.A.T. (the organization that is taking such an

active

> part in contacting NBC regarding the ER program which so many parents of

kids

> with Autism find offensive) It has links to F.E.A.T. groups thropughout

the

> U.S.A. and a few in Canada.

>

>

>

>

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my son attends a public school, and his behaviors do often cause problems,

but using SI at times throughout the day have greatly improved his

achievements and have lowered his tantrums also. As far as the diagnosis,

they only really use them when it comes to requests for things or services

from AEA or something similair, otherwise they base his program on him

(IEP). shawna.

Families for Early Autism Treatment

>

>

> > <A HREF= " http://www.feat.org/ " >Click here: Families for Early Autism

> > Treatment</A>

> >

> > This is a link to F.E.A.T. (the organization that is taking such an

> active

> > part in contacting NBC regarding the ER program which so many parents of

> kids

> > with Autism find offensive) It has links to F.E.A.T. groups thropughout

> the

> > U.S.A. and a few in Canada.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I guess I'm saying a child would benefit from both sensory and behavior

i agree with this, nathan recieves both at school and home too, and work

well together, we use behavior modifacation program developed by his team

and me and SI stuff we try and use, among nathan's fav's is filling the pop

machine, and getting a pop afterwards and vacuming the entyway rugs, so i

hear, he also does errands requiring him to carry his heavy packpack

returning books to public library for the teachers or mailing things, this

way he gets exercise and money and social issues, plus the weight is a

sensory thing that helps nathan greatly. As for the behavior, he will lose

computer time(his fav) usually at school this helps some but hasnt been

fully effective, but the biobehavior team at hospital school will be helping

us with new methods for his newer behavior probs, we no longer do manual

manipulation etc, he is too big and heavy and strong! Now that ive blabbed

on and on, hope this helps some. shawna.

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> Well, preschool was before 's diagnosis of autism (and subsequent

lowering to PDD-NOS), but I'll try to remember what we did. I know the

biggest problem I had when was that age is getting him to be with me

in my world. I didn't realize it was autism at the time. I just knew that

he was somewhere else. I kept getting told that was typical Down's. I did

a lot of floor time (without knowing what I was doing). I would get down on

the floor with him and play however he wanted to play. He got a lot of

sensory play (the doctor mentioned that his play today is still sensory

based - I didn't really notice because it's the way he's always played). I

would just immitate him, and play like he wanted to play until he noticed

me, and then I'd start doing things along the same lines as he was doing,

but different to see if he would immitate me.

>

> I guess in a nutshell, I would say they need a bit of both. If left

strictly to sensory play, they may stay in that little world of their own.

You need someone who can help draw them out. I read somewhere that the

sensory play is because their nervous system is immature, that it's like a

baby's. They need some measure of it. I know if someone is hyper sensitive

about something (say smells) you slowly do just that to get them used to it.

But when I let have his " pure sensory " stuff now, he tends to be like

an alcoholic; he gets obsessed. If I give him one piece of string, he runs

around the house and steals shoestrings, anything he can get his hands on.

>

> So, now that that's as clear as mud, . He can't be left to strictly

sensory or you'll lose him. But he can't have a strictly behavior based

either, or he won't progress? If that makes sense.

>

>

> Wife to Dewight

> Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS, and celiac disease

> And , 19 months and strong-willed

> Both homeschooled

>

> See my poems on Themestream:

>

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Im not sure exactly how much time nathan gets for SI because they interviene

it with his academics often, he does so just some SI sessions for at least a

good 20 or more minutes in the am and afternoon, but if getting antsy or

refusing to work often or tantrums they will use SI/academics eg: nathan

will scoot on a scooter board to words on the gym floor have to read them,

or match them bring them to his aid as reading, and that scooting while

sitting on a little square scooter is hard work but it seems to help nathan,

even with his obsessive behaviors. Another thing he may do is count the pop

cans as he fills the machine, practice his addition or subtraction too, he

has the +1 up to 20 perfect everytime having a harder time with subtraction

though. shawna.

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> In a message dated 2/19/01 11:16:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> ROBLISFISH@... writes:

>

> << I would like the groups input on something.

>

> I have my 3yo in a sensory based preschool. Many people believe that a

> child with autism would benefit from a behavioral approach. However,

these

> same people are people that have experience with kids with just autism,

not

> ds and autism. What can you tall me? I realize that every child is

> different. I would be interested to hear some perspectives from group

> members who share my child's dual diagnosis.

>

> Thanks- >>

>

> ,

> Seth started with a major sensory program when he was three too. We just

> bombarded him with any sensory things we could think of. PT, OT, ST and

his

> special Ed teacher all devoted part of their sessions to sensory. Once he

> went to preschool, they increased it even more. I think that has made a

big

> change in Seth. Not only with accepting new things more easily, but with

his

> behaviors too. He used to scream through every therapy session until we

> started sensory and the same routine with every therapist. They all did

the

> exact same things every session, with the last 15 minutes devoted to what

> their specialty was. 15 minutes a day was better than none, like they

were

> getting! LOL

> Gail

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your input.

My issue is that AJ does not really do much of anything, it is not really

that he has disruptive behaviors. The autism programs in our area use a

very strict behavior based program. Kids are seated in a chair for instance

and asked to do a task, when they respond correctly, they are rewarded.

this is repeated over and over. As I understand it, in the beginning the

rewards come frequent and then are spaced out. They say that this has

helped greatly developing speech and other necessary behaviors . On the

other side of the fence are the 'sensory " people. They do not believe in

this approach, they say it is like Pavlov's dogs and feel it is abusive.

Fortunately,we are not experiencing any of the tantrums, etc, just a

withdrawal and wish to play alone. So we are not trying to address negative

behavior, just trying to develop speech and other life skills. This is where

my question stems from.

While I have your attention- what is the prognosis for speech for a child

with ds and autism..I know every child/person is different, but I was

curious what you have experienced/witnessed.

- Mom to AJ

Thanks-

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

>

>

> > Well, preschool was before 's diagnosis of autism (and subsequent

> lowering to PDD-NOS), but I'll try to remember what we did. I know the

> biggest problem I had when was that age is getting him to be with me

> in my world. I didn't realize it was autism at the time. I just knew

that

> he was somewhere else. I kept getting told that was typical Down's. I

did

> a lot of floor time (without knowing what I was doing). I would get down

on

> the floor with him and play however he wanted to play. He got a lot of

> sensory play (the doctor mentioned that his play today is still sensory

> based - I didn't really notice because it's the way he's always played).

I

> would just immitate him, and play like he wanted to play until he noticed

> me, and then I'd start doing things along the same lines as he was doing,

> but different to see if he would immitate me.

> >

> > I guess in a nutshell, I would say they need a bit of both. If left

> strictly to sensory play, they may stay in that little world of their own.

> You need someone who can help draw them out. I read somewhere that the

> sensory play is because their nervous system is immature, that it's like a

> baby's. They need some measure of it. I know if someone is hyper

sensitive

> about something (say smells) you slowly do just that to get them used to

it.

> But when I let have his " pure sensory " stuff now, he tends to be

like

> an alcoholic; he gets obsessed. If I give him one piece of string, he

runs

> around the house and steals shoestrings, anything he can get his hands on.

> >

> > So, now that that's as clear as mud, . He can't be left to strictly

> sensory or you'll lose him. But he can't have a strictly behavior based

> either, or he won't progress? If that makes sense.

> >

> >

> > Wife to Dewight

> > Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS, and celiac disease

> > And , 19 months and strong-willed

> > Both homeschooled

> >

> > See my poems on Themestream:

> >

> >

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This is to the Pavlov's dogs comment made by the sensory people. ABA is not

like that. When we, as adults, do a good job we get rewarded, either with a

paycheck, promotion, or if we're lucky, verbal praise. Autistic children don't

always associate the abstract reward of praise or the delayed reward of a

special benefit. We have to work with what they do understand. It may be a

favorite food, or a special little toy. Then you fade to where you aren't

giving it as often, they you try to transfer it to something abstract.

doesn't handle praise very well, it embarrasses him. He had a teacher (his best

one yet, and he still misses her) that used to do finger snaps right at his

ears. He loved it. She did it with a lot of the kids, and only as praise, so

it was something special.

And I'm not slighting (forgive me for forgetting) who sent the post, I'm

refuting what the sensory people think. I don't like to do things forever

without seeing some kind of benefit. That's why 's scoring so high on his

academic testing pleases me so much. My mom even made the connection, that all

the hard work is starting to pay off.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS, and celiac disease

And , 20 months and strong-willed

Both homeschooled

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What was the beginning or the subject of this e-mail?

I don't think I got the beginning part of it.

--- ROB FISH <ROBLISFISH@...> wrote:

> Thank you all for your input.

>

> My issue is that AJ does not really do much of

> anything, it is not really

> that he has disruptive behaviors. The autism

> programs in our area use a

> very strict behavior based program. Kids are seated

> in a chair for instance

> and asked to do a task, when they respond correctly,

> they are rewarded.

> this is repeated over and over. As I understand it,

> in the beginning the

> rewards come frequent and then are spaced out. They

> say that this has

> helped greatly developing speech and other necessary

> behaviors . On the

> other side of the fence are the 'sensory " people.

> They do not believe in

> this approach, they say it is like Pavlov's dogs and

> feel it is abusive.

> Fortunately,we are not experiencing any of the

> tantrums, etc, just a

> withdrawal and wish to play alone. So we are not

> trying to address negative

> behavior, just trying to develop speech and other

> life skills. This is where

> my question stems from.

>

> While I have your attention- what is the prognosis

> for speech for a child

> with ds and autism..I know every child/person is

> different, but I was

> curious what you have experienced/witnessed.

>

> - Mom to AJ

> Thanks-

> Re: Families for Early Autism

> Treatment

> >

> >

> > > Well, preschool was before 's diagnosis of

> autism (and subsequent

> > lowering to PDD-NOS), but I'll try to remember

> what we did. I know the

> > biggest problem I had when was that age is

> getting him to be with me

> > in my world. I didn't realize it was autism at

> the time. I just knew

> that

> > he was somewhere else. I kept getting told that

> was typical Down's. I

> did

> > a lot of floor time (without knowing what I was

> doing). I would get down

> on

> > the floor with him and play however he wanted to

> play. He got a lot of

> > sensory play (the doctor mentioned that his play

> today is still sensory

> > based - I didn't really notice because it's the

> way he's always played).

> I

> > would just immitate him, and play like he wanted

> to play until he noticed

> > me, and then I'd start doing things along the same

> lines as he was doing,

> > but different to see if he would immitate me.

> > >

> > > I guess in a nutshell, I would say they need a

> bit of both. If left

> > strictly to sensory play, they may stay in that

> little world of their own.

> > You need someone who can help draw them out. I

> read somewhere that the

> > sensory play is because their nervous system is

> immature, that it's like a

> > baby's. They need some measure of it. I know if

> someone is hyper

> sensitive

> > about something (say smells) you slowly do just

> that to get them used to

> it.

> > But when I let have his " pure sensory " stuff

> now, he tends to be

> like

> > an alcoholic; he gets obsessed. If I give him one

> piece of string, he

> runs

> > around the house and steals shoestrings, anything

> he can get his hands on.

> > >

> > > So, now that that's as clear as mud, . He can't

> be left to strictly

> > sensory or you'll lose him. But he can't have a

> strictly behavior based

> > either, or he won't progress? If that makes sense.

> > >

> > >

> > > Wife to Dewight

> > > Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS,

> and celiac disease

> > > And , 19 months and strong-willed

> > > Both homeschooled

> > >

> > > See my poems on Themestream:

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/21/01 2:55:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ROBLISFISH@... writes:

<<

While I have your attention- what is the prognosis for speech for a child

with ds and autism..I know every child/person is different, but I was

curious what you have experienced/witnessed. >>

,

There are varying degrees of capabilities in kids with DS/autism, just as

there are with just DS. My daughter Maddie (7, DS/ASD) has no speech and

also does not comprehend verbal language.

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/21/01 5:35:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hsmyangels@... writes:

<< doesn't handle praise very well, it embarrasses him. >>

I wouldn't say it embarrasses Maddie, but it does make her very

uncomfortable. It kind of shocks her, even if we're quiet about it. Maybe

that's why the ABA is working so well for her. However, I do have to say

that initially when I read all I could on ABA, it really turned me off. It

did indeed seem like dog-training to me. But then some people think

Floortime is really strange and hard to do. Especially if you've ever

tried imitating Maddie----not many are comfortable doing that...LOLOL

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/22/01 1:22:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, duffey48@...

writes:

<< doesn't handle praise very well, it embarrasses him. >>

I wouldn't say it embarrasses Maddie, but it does make her very

uncomfortable. It kind of shocks her, even if we're quiet about it.

Maybe

that's why the ABA is working so well for her. >>

LOL Donna,

This is the reward that we will use for Seth when we start ABA. He loves

praise and hand clapping. Just the thumbs up sign with *yes* said with a

little excitement makes him so happy. With his program now, there is no

reward or speaking, just a job to finish and go on to the next one. He does

well with the jobs, but isn't learning the social part.

Gail

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/22/01 4:52:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gsgreen@... writes:

<< communicating >>

What's this a?

Gail

[Guest guest]

Id have to say nathan has really begun to talk over the last year, but even

at age 9 he still often requires reminders to talk or sing not point or

grunt. I have to say that info throught " jim play " at

communicating has helped us and anthan tremendously help him

learn to to talk, its still very underdeveloped but is coming along nicely,

his ST wrote in his notebook yesterday that he said 10sentences and name all

the acitivities in the pictures correctly with prompts. But this is nathan,

there are some with ds that yak up a storm ive met them and some who neve

talk at all, met them too. just have to wait and see, and try different

things. shawna.

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> In a message dated 2/21/01 2:55:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ROBLISFISH@... writes:

>

> <<

> While I have your attention- what is the prognosis for speech for a child

> with ds and autism..I know every child/person is different, but I was

> curious what you have experienced/witnessed. >>

>

> ,

> There are varying degrees of capabilities in kids with DS/autism, just

as

> there are with just DS. My daughter Maddie (7, DS/ASD) has no speech and

> also does not comprehend verbal language.

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

its an egroup i found when in ds groups before i found this group, and i

stuck with them, dr jim is very good been working with kids with ds and

autism and thier speech for over 30 years, even has some goo info at his

site, something like www.jamesmcdonald.com or to that effect, its listed on

his group site, and he emails to members and answers questions etc, even the

group all help eachother out as they do here but more on a speech level

thats what the site is for, but we tackle some other issues as behavior etc

as well. shawna.

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> In a message dated 2/22/01 4:52:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> gsgreen@... writes:

>

> << communicating >>

> What's this a?

> Gail

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Who are you talking to, or everyone who can

answer that question?

--- duffey48@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/21/01 2:55:38 PM Eastern

> Standard Time,

> ROBLISFISH@... writes:

>

> <<

> While I have your attention- what is the prognosis

> for speech for a child

> with ds and autism..I know every child/person is

> different, but I was

> curious what you have experienced/witnessed. >>

>

> ,

> There are varying degrees of capabilities in kids

> with DS/autism, just as

> there are with just DS. My daughter Maddie (7,

> DS/ASD) has no speech and

> also does not comprehend verbal language.

> Donna

>

>

[Guest guest]

anyone and everyone that can answer the question

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> Who are you talking to, or everyone who can

> answer that question?

>

>

>

>

> --- duffey48@... wrote:

> > In a message dated 2/21/01 2:55:38 PM Eastern

> > Standard Time,

> > ROBLISFISH@... writes:

> >

> > <<

> > While I have your attention- what is the prognosis

> > for speech for a child

> > with ds and autism..I know every child/person is

> > different, but I was

> > curious what you have experienced/witnessed. >>

> >

> > ,

> > There are varying degrees of capabilities in kids

> > with DS/autism, just as

> > there are with just DS. My daughter Maddie (7,

> > DS/ASD) has no speech and

> > also does not comprehend verbal language.

> > Donna

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 02/22/2001 2:16:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,

gsgreen@... writes:

> its an egroup i found when in ds groups before i found this group, and i

> stuck with them, dr jim is very good been working with kids with ds and

> autism and thier speech for over 30 years, even has some goo info at his

> site, something like www.jamesmcdonald.com

>

a,

I couldn't get this website to work. Could you check for me. Thanks

Marisa

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/01 9:50:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gsgreen@... writes:

<< www.jamesmacdonald.com >>

Nope! Doesn't work either

Gail

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/26/01 10:23:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gsgreen@... writes:

<< keep having more troubles with

stupid . every thing has been verified and i had to rejoin the groups

too, after i removed this emial account, but yet i still recieve email here

and can mail it back, im confused. shawna. >>

Sorry a, this computer dummy can't help ya! LOL

Gail

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dont know if this will go through, trying to switch my emails over to my

hotmail account will be changing LAN soon, to a different company and dont

want to interrupt my stuff but it isnt working right yet. I think its

www.jamesmacdonald.com i forgot the a in " mac " , shawna.

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> In a message dated 02/22/2001 2:16:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> gsgreen@... writes:

>

>

> > its an egroup i found when in ds groups before i found this group, and

i

> > stuck with them, dr jim is very good been working with kids with ds and

> > autism and thier speech for over 30 years, even has some goo info at his

> > site, something like www.jamesmcdonald.com

> >

> a,

> I couldn't get this website to work. Could you check for me. Thanks

> Marisa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

just a minute i will checkit out, why do i still get group mail here

when i changed it to my hotmail account? keep having more troubles with

stupid . every thing has been verified and i had to rejoin the groups

too, after i removed this emial account, but yet i still recieve email here

and can mail it back, im confused. shawna.

Re: Families for Early Autism Treatment

> In a message dated 2/26/01 9:50:40 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> gsgreen@... writes:

>

> << www.jamesmacdonald.com >>

> Nope! Doesn't work either

> Gail

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got the message.

--- Geoff and Green <gsgreen@...> wrote:

> dont know if this will go through, trying to switch

> my emails over to my

> hotmail account will be changing LAN soon, to a

> different company and dont

> want to interrupt my stuff but it isnt working

> right yet. I think its

> www.jamesmacdonald.com i forgot the a in " mac " ,

> shawna.

> Re: Families for Early Autism

> Treatment

>

>

> > In a message dated 02/22/2001 2:16:49 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> > gsgreen@... writes:

> >

> >

> > > its an egroup i found when in ds groups before

> i found this group, and

> i

> > > stuck with them, dr jim is very good been

> working with kids with ds and

> > > autism and thier speech for over 30 years, even

> has some goo info at his

> > > site, something like www.jamesmcdonald.com

> > >

> > a,

> > I couldn't get this website to work. Could you

> check for me. Thanks

> > Marisa

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

These are the captionist notes thaat have some stuff

that you asked about it.

January 22

It’s important to identify exceptional children.

these are some examples of an exceptional children.

These particular groupings are typical of how we will

identify children: intelilectual differences. That

includes ,those who are superior and those who are

below level. Also a second typical group of children

will be those who have communication differences. A

lot ot these children will be kids that have learning

disabilities as well as speech and language

disabilities. A third group are those children who

have sensory differences. Sensory: Taste, touch,

smell, sight. It maybe auditory as well as visual.

There are behavioral differences. In that group

Childrenwe are talking about children that are

emotionally disturbed as well as children that are

socially maladjusted. Multiple and severe handicapped

conditions. Children have more than one disability.

They may have cerebral palsy and autism, or speech and

language. This is much more involved in terms of

disabilities Physical differences. There maybe

someone that has impaired mobility.

You will see some children in the PCCD unity who have

noncategorical labels. We don’t know what it is but

something is not right. That means as a result yu may

have children that are in this special unit who get on

to kindergarten might get out because maybe it was a

special need and maybe it’s not. Maybe it fits and

maybe it doesn’t. So they call it noncategorical. We

had to fight for that for years. So that we weren’t

labeling kids in the age of 3-5.

It depends on the autism indivudial if they can be

taught in a regualr class or not. I taught a high

functioning child with autism and had a great brain.

He is now in fourth grade, I had him when he was

three. He is working in a Plano fourth grade

classroom. Socially it is difficult to get him to

interact with another being. When you focus his

attention and get him into something that interests

him, he is doing fourth grade work. He is reading on a

sixth grade level. There are some who are so severe

that they need to be in their own unit. When you put

children with disabilities in a self contained unit,

then the only people they have to model are people

like themselves. So behavior will beget

behavior and it won't change. But there are some that

can be main streamed.

STUDENT: I was thinking of movies that I have watched

about autism, the especially gifted and autistic seem

to go hand in hand. There doesn't seem to be much

variance, there is something in with it.

INSTRUCTOR: Kids with autism can be savants. That

means they have a gift in one particular area. There

are some savant they can hear a song and sit down at a

piano and never have a music lesson and they can

duplicate it. And play Beethoven, Mozart. They are

truly gifted in one area but truly autistic.

____________

> While I have your attention- what is the

> prognosis for speech for a child with ds and

autism..I know every child/person is

> > > different, but I was curious what you have

experienced/witnessed. >>

> > >

> > > ,

> > > There are varying degrees of capabilities in

> kids

> > > with DS/autism, just as

> > > there are with just DS. My daughter Maddie (7,

> > > DS/ASD) has no speech and

> > > also does not comprehend verbal language.

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >