Coconut Oil

September 8, 2006

On 9/7/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> > I don't doubt that restrictive diets help people who have digestive

> > problems, but I don't like that as a solution. I knew a woman whose

> > daughter had schizophrenia as long as she ate dairy, wheat, corn,

> > sugar, and something else. When she lived at home she was fine, but

> > when she grew up and left home, she wanted to eat what her freinds

> > ate, became extremely mentally ill, and wound up selling herself on

> > the street for $3 a pop.

>

> Do you think she wouldn't have done that if she hadn't been given a

> restrictive diet? Or maybe she would just have done it sooner. Blaming

> it on a restrictive diet isn't even logical.

My impression of cause-and-effect here is that the restrictive diet

kept her from being extremely mentally ill and selling herself,

whereas the liberal diet caused her to be extremely mentally ill and

sell herself.

Chris

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September 9, 2006

Inig, in her last tape, said she gets the cheapest she can find on

the net because it doesn't matter.

On Sep 8, 2006, at 10:33 AM, deb3857wick wrote:

> Need advise on best coconut oil to buy. Looking for non-bleached,

> unrefined etc. the best for eating. Thanks

> Deb

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September 9, 2006

I like the naturally fermented stuff from Wilderness Family Naturals.

>Need advise on best coconut oil to buy. Looking for non-bleached,

>unrefined etc. the best for eating. Thanks

>Deb

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September 9, 2006

Mountain Rose Herbs makes a very good quality unrefined etc at a very

reasonable price ($28 for a gallon if memory serves). Smells and tastes

better than any other I've tried at many times the price.

Lynn S.

who can still use it to fry, etc, just not eat by the tablespoonful on

an empty stomach...

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September 9, 2006

Inig, in her last tape, said she gets the cheapest she can find on

the net because it doesn't matter.

**really? So do you think that all the other brands of coconut oil are

just trying to make us believe their product is the best for the various

reasons when really, all coconut oil is the same quality?

amanda,_._,___

September 9, 2006

Thanks Demi,

I used it the other night when DH made tacos. It was great. Do you keep yours

in the fridge? or just in the cupboard?

Thanks,

Rhonda

September 9, 2006

I find coconut oil the cheapest at the Indian grocer. It is used in

Indian cooking and it is 30 percent cheaper than the health or big

stores. Use the coconut oil for great icing for cakes or brownies.

Use it like butter and add icing sugar and a wee bit of milk type

product and some flavouring like vanilla and it is great.

Val

September 10, 2006

I have been known to use it as a " body oil " ....it is a great way to get it

in...

September 10, 2006

That's a possibility since we are on an " Extra Virgin " kick. I too look

for extra virgin for things but ever since I heard I've gone for

cheap. She's the expert on oil so I feel ok about doing that.

On Sep 9, 2006, at 10:55 AM, wrote:

>

> Inig, in her last tape, said she gets the cheapest she can find on

> the net because it doesn't matter.

>

> **really? So do you think that all the other brands of coconut oil are

> just trying to make us believe their product is the best for the

> various

> reasons when really, all coconut oil is the same quality?

>

> amanda,_._,___

>

September 10, 2006

I just ordered this, and having a hard time figuring out how to give it to him.

Can you do anything with it other than cooking?

Any tips are appreciated-I melted it with warm milk and he threw it on the

ground.

Rhons44@... wrote:

Thanks Demi,

I used it the other night when DH made tacos. It was great. Do you keep yours

in the fridge? or just in the cupboard?

Thanks,

Rhonda

September 10, 2006

On Sep 10, 2006, at 6:24 AM, Kersten Rojas wrote:

> I just ordered this, and having a hard time figuring out how to

> give it to him. Can you do anything with it other than cooking?

>

I make candy: carob " bark. " Melt the coconut oil (don't heat it much--

I just put it in a bowl and sit that bowl in a larger bowl of hot

water) and mix in some raw carob powder. The carob is naturally

sweet, but I have added xylitol or stevia to further sweeten. (You

could also use raw cacao--chocolate--and you'd have to sweeten that

for sure, as it's bitter.) You could add some vanilla. Sometimes I

add a bit of peppermint oil. More often, I mix in some almonds

(germinated, then dehydrated, and then I break them up into smaller

pieces). Mix it all together, put it in the freezer (I line a glass

pan with waxed paper, which makes it easier to get pieces out), and

wait a little while for it to harden. After it hardens, you have to

keep it refrigerated, as it melts fairly quickly. It's quick and

yummy, and an easy way to get the benefits of coconut oil. Hoping

this helps, Lalita

September 10, 2006

I read that you can use it as a body lotion. You can add it to smoothies,

etc.

September 10, 2006

On 9/9/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> Inig, in her last tape, said she gets the cheapest she can find on

> the net because it doesn't matter.

Of course it matters. Ideally coconut oil should be virgin. I've

been using Nutiva.

Chris

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September 10, 2006

On 9/10/06, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote:

> That's a possibility since we are on an " Extra Virgin " kick. I too look

> for extra virgin for things but ever since I heard I've gone for

> cheap. She's the expert on oil so I feel ok about doing that.

" Extra virgin " and " virgin " are the same exact thing with coconut oil.

But " virgin " is different than oils not marked virgin. There are

millions of experts and millions of opinions. The reason I believe it

is important to use virgin coconut oil is that virgin coconut oil is

loaded with very powerful polyphenols that protect against oxidative

stress and aging. If you don't want that protection, buy the cheapest

crap you can get.

Chris

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September 11, 2006

Thanks very much!

On Sep 10, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Emma Davies wrote:

>

>>

>> Can you run the restrictive diet by me again?

>

> Hi ,

>

> Visit this page for a copy of the full diet:

>

> http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/diet.html

>

> The site is a real pain, so any problems, email me and I'll see if I

> can get you a copy some other way.

>

> Also, for related information check out the links down the left hand

> side of my blog marked " food intolerance " .

>

> http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/

>

> Emma

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September 13, 2006

Hi Rhonda

I I keep mine in the cuboard along with the olive oil although it does tend

to get liquidy when the weather is warmer and hardens when the weather is

cooler .

Demi

September 13, 2006

Thanks Demi

Rhonda

September 16, 2006

-

> Inig, in her last tape, said she gets the cheapest she can find on

>the net because it doesn't matter.

I suspect she's taking a very narrow view of the fatty acid content

of the oil, and it's certainly true that as long as it isn't

hydrogenated, any coconut oil will probably have much the same lipid

profile. There will definitely be significant differences in

micronutrients and contaminants, though, and while I don't know of

any feeding studies that would definitively quantify the benefits

offered by a quality virgin oil compared to a standard RBD one, I

don't imagine they should be discounted.

-

September 16, 2006

Chris-

>If you don't want that protection, buy the cheapest

>crap you can get.

I thought I was supposed to be the blunt one around here. <g>

-

September 16, 2006

On 9/16/06, Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> I suspect she's taking a very narrow view of the fatty acid content

> of the oil, and it's certainly true that as long as it isn't

> hydrogenated, any coconut oil will probably have much the same lipid

> profile. There will definitely be significant differences in

> micronutrients and contaminants, though, and while I don't know of

> any feeding studies that would definitively quantify the benefits

> offered by a quality virgin oil compared to a standard RBD one, I

> don't imagine they should be discounted.

The only one I know of (Nevin, et al) compared virgin oil to unrefined

oil derived from copra, which itself must be far better than RBD oil,

and there was a huge difference in the cholesterol levels -- lower

with the virgin oil, which might explain why there are lots of

anecdotes lowering cholesterol levels with virgin coconut oil, but no

controlled studies backing it up (or rather controlled studies that

refute the concept, I assume not using virgin oil).

Now I don't take cholesterol lowering to be a valuable endpoint

because in the absence of knowing the mechanism, it could be either

good or bad. Lowering the stress response, increased utilization,

etc, can be a mechanism.

In any case, in the same report they did an in vitro experiment where

they compared the ability of polyphenols from virgin coconut oil,

unrefined oil from copra, and peanut oil. The polyphenols from virgin

CO were far better at inhibiting the oxidation of both the lipids and

the proteins in isolated LDL than were those from copra oil, which

were in turn much better than those from peanut oil, *in the same

amount*. Moreover, then, the virgin coconut oil also had MORE

polyphenols per unit of weight than the copra oil, which in turn had

more than the peanut oil. Clearly, by the way, RBD oil would have the

least polyphenols out of all of them (i.e. I assume practically none).

Thus, not only does virgin oil have more polyphenols, but the

polyphenols it has are even more effective. I assume this is either

because 1) the light and heat used in drying the copra kills off the

first polyphenols first or 2) each molecule of polyphenol has a number

of reactive sites that can absorb free radicals, and all of the

polyphenols or many of them are partially used up during the drying

process.

So maybe the two endpoints are connected. That is, maybe the

cholesterol levels were lowered because oxidative stress raises the

need for cholesterol, and when you lower oxidative stress, you lower

your cholesterol requirement.

In any case, just the difference between virgin and copra is large,

and this has substantial biological meaningfulness to the benefit of

coconut oil over other oils (or, at least over peanut oil). The

difference between virgin coconut oil and RBD oil must be far greater

than that between virgin coconut oil and unrefined copra oil, and the

latter difference was large.

Thus, I think the perspective that sees coconut oil as all about the

medium-chain fatty acids is as misguided as the recent

one-meal-of-saturated-fat-kills-you study, where they assumed that the

only difference between coconut and safflower oils is the fatty acids.

The paradigm where a fat is seen primarily for its fatty acid

composition needs to end. Now.

Chris

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September 17, 2006

Chris-

> The only one I know of (Nevin, et al) compared virgin oil to

unrefined

> oil derived from copra, which itself must be far better than RBD

oil,

> and there was a huge difference in the cholesterol levels -- lower

> with the virgin oil, which might explain why there are lots of

> anecdotes lowering cholesterol levels with virgin coconut oil, but

no

> controlled studies backing it up (or rather controlled studies that

> refute the concept, I assume not using virgin oil).

Interesting! I hadn't heard about this study.

> In any case, in the same report they did an in vitro experiment

where

> they compared the ability of polyphenols from virgin coconut oil,

> unrefined oil from copra, and peanut oil. The polyphenols from

virgin

> CO were far better at inhibiting the oxidation of both the lipids

and

> the proteins in isolated LDL than were those from copra oil, which

> were in turn much better than those from peanut oil, *in the same

> amount*. Moreover, then, the virgin coconut oil also had MORE

> polyphenols per unit of weight than the copra oil, which in turn had

> more than the peanut oil. Clearly, by the way, RBD oil would have

the

> least polyphenols out of all of them (i.e. I assume practically

none).

This is interesting, since peanuts would seem to require more

antioxidant power than coconuts, but then again, coconuts grow in

tropical climates, and I'm told the sun can heat them up to around

120 degrees F.

> Thus, I think the perspective that sees coconut oil as all about the

> medium-chain fatty acids is as misguided as the recent

> one-meal-of-saturated-fat-kills-you study, where they assumed that

the

> only difference between coconut and safflower oils is the fatty

acids.

> The paradigm where a fat is seen primarily for its fatty acid

> composition needs to end. Now.

For sure. I hadn't realized we had such solid documentary evidence.

Thanks for the excellent post!

-

September 17, 2006

On 9/17/06, paul_idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> Interesting! I hadn't heard about this study.

Enig discussed it two issues ago in her Know Your Fats column,

but she didn't mention what the virgin coconut oil was compared to, so

it wasn't evident from her discussion of it that it actually showed

the virtue of virgin specifically rather than of coconut oil.

===========

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/coconut-oil-studies.html

===========

> This is interesting, since peanuts would seem to require more

> antioxidant power than coconuts, but then again, coconuts grow in

> tropical climates, and I'm told the sun can heat them up to around

> 120 degrees F.

Also, peanut oil is high in vitamin E and coconut oil is not. But I

think you are right that the climate makes a difference, because palm

oil is very high in vitamin E but very low in PUFA. It's vitamin

E-to-PUFA ratio is vastly, vastly superior to any of the PUFA oils.

Since our bodies are all 98.6F (more or less), this translates into a

superiority of the tropical oils when they are in the same environment

(that is, us) as the other oils.

> For sure. I hadn't realized we had such solid documentary evidence.

> Thanks for the excellent post!

De nada.

Chris

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September 17, 2006

Deb wrote:

>

> I have had an increase in every the past two days, could it be from

the coconut oil or oil of oregano? Thanks

==>What have you had an increase in?

Luv, Bee

September 18, 2006

Woops! Increase in energy. I guess I didn't read my message back. If my

burning would go away and the rectal itching I would feel great. Has anyone

ever used oil of oregano topically for rectal itching? Thanks

Deb

[ ] Re: coconut oil

Deb wrote:

>

> I have had an increase in every the past two days, could it be from

the coconut oil or oil of oregano? Thanks

==>What have you had an increase in?

Luv, Bee

September 18, 2006

Deb wrote:

> Woops! Increase in energy. I guess I didn't read my message back.

If my burning would go away and the rectal itching I would feel great.

Has anyone ever used oil of oregano topically for rectal itching?

==>You can mix oil of oregano in coconut oil and apply it directly

(about 3-4 drops in less than a teaspoon), but also coconut oil alone

helps a great deal. Also do enemas, alternating probiotics with

antifungals - see the Enema Folder. Keeping the area covered in oil is

best; you can wear a panti-liner during the day to protect clothing.

Also do Epsom salt baths, and/or sitz baths where you only immerse your

bottom, using garlic tea.

Bee

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