:RE: Re: Not understanding

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Steve

you are on the right road auto

immune is a key factor and if that were all there were re: vaccines/Hg that

would be enough reason .all by itself..to ban

mercury First Do No Harm must be

upheld

unfortunately, we now find ourselves in

a “Heal the Damage Done” situation

I wish you would cite SPECIFICALLY what

you consider circumstantial Burbacher and Hornig are really not

circumstantial nor is Dr. Deth’s work,

nor Dr. Boyd Haley’s, nor numerous

others

also I wish you would cite the evidence

you have found to the contrary if it is the Danish study group, that has

been refuted see Rep. Weldon

response at Autism One Conference,

2004...others have refuted that as well google Mark Blaxill on that and the

epi studies...also, Dr. Ayoub

If just one, just one study shows harm to

our children.....then that is enough to eliminate the toxin...

in law,

the merest shadow of a doubt can set a criminal free, yet here, in the land

of CDC and Pharma, , where

the evidence is much more than shadows, we

do not set our very own children free.........and that, Steve, is criminal

Suzanne Messina REAACH

From:

EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of scd7131

Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006

12:08 PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Not

understanding

Suzanne -

Thank you for your thoughtful response, and thank you also for taking

the time to compile the various resources and links. I appreciate

also the words of encouragement.

I have done what I consider to be extensive research (through many of

the provided links) - it has been two years since my son was

diagnosed, and I have been digging into this issue ever since (you

all are very familiar with the all-consuming need to " know " that your

approach is the best one for your child). Also, my college education

was in neurophysiology (though I did not pursue that as a career),

which provided a solid base of knowledge as a starting point -

particularly in statistical analysis and what constitutes valid

research results.

In my studies I have found a large body of what I would consider

circumstantial evidence that there may be a link between vaccinations

and autism - but I have also found an equally large body of

statistically sound research that would indicate that there is no

link. In my current view, the information would indicate not that

there is no link, but that no link has been proven. I have a very

open mind on this topic, though, and am trying to gain some

additional perspective.

Epidemiological evidence seems to be the strongest in support of the

link, but it is the weakest form of research (although the only

choice in many cases), and in no way proves causation. I try to

minimize the value in my own judgment process of epidemiological

evidence, regardless of which way it points us.

It does occur to me that, if there is a link finally proven between

autism and vaccinations, the cause may actually be auto-immune

response as opposed to toxicity. My son, for example, has had two

episodes of shingles, which are a result of his immune system mis-

handling (for lack of a better term) the chicken pox vaccine. So it

would seem that his auto-immune response is atypical at least in that

case. He does not have any of the " gut " issues that I have read and

heard so much about, and the lack of that has caused my wife and I to

adhere to behavioral modification therapy (ABA, speech, OT,

(therapeutic horsemanship). He has improved in many ways. If I were

to list the areas of improvement, it would sound a lot like the

success stories I read from parents whose children have benefitted

from such treatments as GFCF diet, chelation, etc. I still am

considering some of the other, biomedical treatments, but am a little

nervous about playing with his body chemistry.

One last point: We have another son due in January. We have decided

to vaccinate him, but we will administer the shots singularly.

Instead of doing the MMR, we will do M, then M, then R. Same with

DPT. Exercising some caution seems appropriate, but we certainly do

not want him to contract any of these diseases.

Thanks again for your thoughtful response, and I look forward to

hearing from more members of the group on these topics.

Steve

>

> Dear scd

>

>

>

> I would say most of us arrived at our convictions by doing

extensive

> research. This takes time and commitment.

>

> It is what each parent must do on his own or her own. That would

be the

> best path for you, rather than some of us defending ourselves,

>

> which clearly may spill over into personal, subjective and

emotional

> accounts.

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>

>

> We certainly can assist you in your research .

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> Here are some excellent resources:

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>

>

> www.safeminds.org <http://www.safeminds.org/>

,

> www.generationrescue.org <http://www.generationrescue.org/>

,

> www.nationalautismassociation.org

> <http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/>

www.autismone.org

> <http://www.autismone.org/>

>

> www.achamp.org <http://www.achamp.org/>

www.nomercury.org

> <http://www.nomercury.org/>

www.unlockingautism.org

> <http://www.unlockingautism.org/>

, some studies funded by CAN,

> www.cureautismnow.org <http://www.cureautismnow.org/>

>

>

>

> google the Autism Research Institute, headed by Dr. Bernie

Rimland, and

> google his brainchild, DAN, Defeat Autism Now and their

conferences,

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>

>

> google USAAA .The Asperger and Autism Association of America;

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>

>

> google the work of Dr. Boyd Haley, Dr. M. Horning, Dr. Burbacher,

Dr.

> O'Hara,

>

> Dr. Mumper, Dr. Usman, Dr.

> Ayoub, Dr. Geier,

>

> Dr. Wakefield, Dr. Buttar, Mark

Blaxill,

> Sally Bernard, Binstock and countless others

>

> whose names you can find on the above websites as well as the

conference

> lists of DAN , USAAA,

>

> and Autism One . You should also review the articles and research

by

> Pringle, Dan Olmsted, Rep. Weldon, F.Kennedy, Jr,

among others

>

>

>

> Research the Merk Memo Simpsonwood...but

these

> things are on the above website; you must search and research

>

>

>

> You should also research conflict of

interest

> within CDC, FDA, NIH and other government agencies, involving

>

> among other entities, pharmaceuticals,

>

>

>

> You have your work cur out for you, but as you

are

> serious about uncovering the truth,

>

> you will welcome the work,

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>

>

>

> The evidence will speak

for itself

> Suzanne Messina REAACH

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> _____

>

> From: EOHarm

[mailto:EOHarm ]

On

Behalf Of

> scd7131

> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:49 AM

> EOHarm

> Subject: Not understanding

>

>

>

> Hi all -

> I am a new member of this discussion group. My son is 5 and is

> autistic. My purpose when joining the group was to expand my

> knowledge base so I can determine the best course of treatments for

> my son's disability.

> I am hoping someone can help me to understand what I am perceiving

to

> be a foundational belief of this group - that Autism is caused by

> environmental toxicity. Most specifically, by thimerosal in

> vaccines. I know that Kirby's book presented compelling

> evidence that this is the case. I also know that numerous studies

> have been published that have failed to show the link between

> vaccinations and the onset of Autism. So I am trying to understand

> why a large group of clearly intelligent people have arrived at the

> decision that this is a fact, and that their choice of treatment

> options stems from this fact.

> Please understand that I am not trying to cause an argument or to

> question the validity of anyone's beliefs on this issue - I

certainly

> do not know what causes autism and have no special information

which

> would lead me to believe that anyone's opinion is right or wrong.

It

> seems to me that there is some conflicting science. So what, then,

> is causing this group to fall on one side of the debate instead of

> the other?

>