:RE: Re: Not understanding

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Suzanne -

I absolutely agree with your stance that evidence of harm being done

to our children - or anybody at all - would provide sufficient reason

to make changes. In this case to the process of vaccinations.

I clearly am not as prepared to discuss specifics as you are. Until

now, I have been independently working on this and have had no need

to view the situation as one of having to support my position. As a

matter of fact, I have not yet established my position, which is why

I have joined this group - I want to line up all the facts to make

sure whatever I do is in the best interest of my son.

While I cannot specify any studies off the top of my head, let me

answer that question another way. By " circumstantial " , I guess what

I mean is that group of studies that would seem to indicate a link

between mercury (or other toxins, or the administration of vaccines

in general) and autism, but is unable to explain anything beyond a

simple indication. What I would find much more convincing would be a

study that went something like this:

" Our study shows that specific substance X acts in specific way Y and

results in specific neurodevelopmental problem Z, and here is a

precise, thoroughly researched and well-proven explanation of exactly

how this happens. " I have never seen such a study. The lack of such

a study certainly does not mean that process " Y " does not occur, but

I would feel a lot better about hinging treatment choices on this

assumption if I could know that it were valid.

I understand your statement about the law, but am not sure the logic

flows in this case. Still, the message is well received and again I

appreciate your time in responding to my questions.

Please do not feel you have to defend your position on this topic, I

am not here to judge anybody and I have no right to do so. We are

all just caring parents who want the best for our children (and

everyone else's).

One concern I have about this topic in a broad sense is that some

parents may be encouraged to not vaccinate their kids against serious

diseases at all becuase of this debate. So I guess my 2 questions

from that concern would be - a)does this group feel that the debate

is closed, and that the issue has been settled? and does this

group agree that not vaccinating children can have equally damaging

results as vaccinating? Question B is not worded very well, but I

hope you catch my meaning.

Thanks,

Steve

> >

> > Dear scd

> >

> >

> >

> > I would say most of us arrived at our convictions by doing

> extensive

> > research. This takes time and commitment.

> >

> > It is what each parent must do on his own or her own. That would

> be the

> > best path for you, rather than some of us defending ourselves,

> >

> > which clearly may spill over into personal, subjective and

> emotional

> > accounts.

> >

> >

> >

> > We certainly can assist you in your research .

> >

> > Here are some excellent resources:

> >

> >

> >

> > www.safeminds.org <http://www.safemind

<http://www.safeminds.org/> s.org/>

> ,

> > www.generationrescue.org <http://www.generati

> <http://www.generationrescue.org/> onrescue.org/> ,

> > www.nationalautismassociation.org

> > <http://www.national <http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/>

> autismassociation.org/> www.autismone.org

> > <http://www.autismon <http://www.autismone.org/> e.org/>

> >

> > www.achamp.org <http://www.achamp. <http://www.achamp.org/> org/>

> www.nomercury.org

> > <http://www.nomercur <http://www.nomercury.org/> y.org/>

> www.unlockingautism.org

> > <http://www.unlockin <http://www.unlockingautism.org/>

gautism.org/> ,

> some studies funded by CAN,

> > www.cureautismnow.org <http://www.cureauti

<http://www.cureautismnow.org/>

> smnow.org/>

> >

> >

> >

> > google the Autism Research Institute, headed by Dr. Bernie

> Rimland, and

> > google his brainchild, DAN, Defeat Autism Now and their

> conferences,

> >

> >

> >

> > google USAAA .The Asperger and Autism Association of America;

> >

> >

> >

> > google the work of Dr. Boyd Haley, Dr. M. Horning, Dr. Burbacher,

> Dr.

> > O'Hara,

> >

> > Dr. Mumper, Dr. Usman, Dr.

>

> > Ayoub, Dr. Geier,

> >

> > Dr. Wakefield, Dr. Buttar, Mark

> Blaxill,

> > Sally Bernard, Binstock and countless others

> >

> > whose names you can find on the above websites as well as the

> conference

> > lists of DAN , USAAA,

> >

> > and Autism One . You should also review the articles and research

> by

> > Pringle, Dan Olmsted, Rep. Weldon, F.Kennedy, Jr,

> among others

> >

> >

> >

> > Research the Merk Memo Simpsonwood...but

> these

> > things are on the above website; you must search and research

> >

> >

> >

> > You should also research conflict of

> interest

> > within CDC, FDA, NIH and other government agencies, involving

> >

> > among other entities, pharmaceuticals,

> >

> >

> >

> > You have your work cur out for you, but as you

> are

> > serious about uncovering the truth,

> >

> > you will welcome the work,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The evidence will speak

> for itself

> > Suzanne Messina REAACH

> >

> >

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> > _____

> >

> > From: EOHarmgroups (DOT) <mailto:EOHarm%40> com

> [mailto:EOHarmgroups (DOT) <mailto:EOHarm%40> com]

On

> Behalf Of

> > scd7131

> > Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:49 AM

> > EOHarmgroups (DOT) <mailto:EOHarm%40> com

> > Subject: Not understanding

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi all -

> > I am a new member of this discussion group. My son is 5 and is

> > autistic. My purpose when joining the group was to expand my

> > knowledge base so I can determine the best course of treatments

for

> > my son's disability.

> > I am hoping someone can help me to understand what I am

perceiving

> to

> > be a foundational belief of this group - that Autism is caused by

> > environmental toxicity. Most specifically, by thimerosal in

> > vaccines. I know that Kirby's book presented compelling

> > evidence that this is the case. I also know that numerous studies

> > have been published that have failed to show the link between

> > vaccinations and the onset of Autism. So I am trying to

understand

> > why a large group of clearly intelligent people have arrived at

the

> > decision that this is a fact, and that their choice of treatment

> > options stems from this fact.

> > Please understand that I am not trying to cause an argument or to

> > question the validity of anyone's beliefs on this issue - I

> certainly

> > do not know what causes autism and have no special information

> which

> > would lead me to believe that anyone's opinion is right or wrong.

> It

> > seems to me that there is some conflicting science. So what,

then,

> > is causing this group to fall on one side of the debate instead

of

> > the other?

> >

>