Re: Old man replaces refrigerator mom

[Guest guest]

"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research.The study "provides the first convincing evidence that advanced paternal age is a risk factor for autism spectrum disorder," said the authors from Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, and the Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London."

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There is no end to the number of epidemiology "experts" nor the federal money wasted funding such nonsense. Given enough time, these geniuses will eventually prove beyond any reasonable doubt male-pattern baldness in great grandparents is an early indicator of autism three generations removed.

Unfortunately, these people will likely receive an increase in federal funding to continue pursuing such nonsense.

[Guest guest]

They lost on autism "awareness". The numbers really are going up.

They lost on vaccines causing autism. The unvaccinated don't have autism.

The ever-shrinking circle of defense now focuses on the autism gene canard. They will search for the autism gene until such time as everyone who cares dies off.

And they will all go to conferences and sit in circles and discuss something that does not exist.

This is not a strategy based upon an attempt to find something that exists.

These are people who clearly understand their guilt. They try to to run out the clock.

Time's up guys.

And we're supposed to trust these turkeys on anything

This is laughable.

Re: "Old man replaces refrigerator mom"

"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research.The study "provides the first convincing evidence that advanced paternal age is a risk factor for autism spectrum disorder," said the authors from Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, and the Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London."

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There is no end to the number of epidemiology "experts" nor the federal money wasted funding such nonsense. Given enough time, these geniuses will eventually prove beyond any reasonable doubt male-pattern baldness in great grandparents is an early indicator of autism three generations removed.

Unfortunately, these people will likely receive an increase in federal funding to continue pursuing such nonsense.

[Guest guest]

Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab

samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source

which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr.

Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal

induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test

with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the

Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic

(DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any

protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S-

transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against

thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms)

do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage

from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:

" ...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human

lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic

in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its

widespread use. "

So if we look at this in the context of this most recent " Old Man "

findings - we must also consider that they ( " older men " ) are more

likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot boosters. As a

physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of

these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon

was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23

years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the

medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was

required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I

only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with " flu-

like " symptoms).

Besides, this " old man " study can't be true...Bob ,

and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that

it was " old, educated, tuna-eating women " so the real cure for

autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from

eating tuna sandwiches and going to college.

Lujene

President

NoMercury

" Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of

developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic

changes, according to new research. "

[Guest guest]

Oh, yes... " first convincing evidence. " Something tells me this will

never be duplicated.

Carolyn

>

> They lost on autism " awareness " . The numbers really are going up.

>

> They lost on vaccines causing autism. The unvaccinated don't have

autism.

>

> The ever-shrinking circle of defense now focuses on the autism

gene canard. They will search for the autism gene until such time

as everyone who cares dies off.

>

> And they will all go to conferences and sit in circles and discuss

something that does not exist.

>

> This is not a strategy based upon an attempt to find something

that exists.

>

> These are people who clearly understand their guilt. They try to

to run out the clock.

>

> Time's up guys.

>

> And we're supposed to trust these turkeys on anything

>

> This is laughable.

>

> Re: " Old man replaces refrigerator mom "

>

>

>

> " Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk

of

> developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other

genetic

> changes, according to new research.

>

> The study " provides the first convincing evidence that advanced

> paternal age is a risk factor for autism spectrum disorder, "

said the

> authors from Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, and the

> Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London. "

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>

> There is no end to the number of epidemiology " experts " nor the

federal money wasted funding such nonsense. Given enough time,

these geniuses will eventually prove beyond any reasonable doubt

male-pattern baldness in great grandparents is an early indicator of

autism three generations removed.

>

> Unfortunately, these people will likely receive an increase in

federal funding to continue pursuing such nonsense.

>

[Guest guest]

These are the types of theories which make a lot of sense, within the context of what we know.

Re: "Old man replaces refrigerator mom"

Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr. Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic (DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S-transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms) do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:"...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its widespread use."So if we look at this in the context of this most recent "Old Man" findings - we must also consider that they ("older men") are more likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot boosters. As a physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23 years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with "flu-like" symptoms).Besides, this "old man" study can't be true...Bob , and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that it was "old, educated, tuna-eating women" so the real cure for autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from eating tuna sandwiches and going to college. :)Lujene President NoMercury"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research."

[Guest guest]

The 40 plus old man study is presently zooming across the ABC news screen. They don't miss a thing when it refers to something other than vaccines.lujene_clark <lujene@...> wrote: Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr. Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block

micronucleus test with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic (DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S-transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms) do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:"...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its widespread use."So if we look at this in the context of this most recent "Old Man" findings - we must also consider that they ("older men") are more likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot

boosters. As a physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23 years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with "flu-like" symptoms).Besides, this "old man" study can't be true...Bob , and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that it was "old, educated, tuna-eating women" so the real cure for autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from eating tuna sandwiches and going to college. :)Lujene President NoMercury"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research."

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[Guest guest]

At least all of you now clearly see their strategy.

The question is, what do we do about it?

Re: Re: "Old man replaces refrigerator mom"

The 40 plus old man study is presently zooming across the ABC news screen. They don't miss a thing when it refers to something other than vaccines.lujene_clark <lujenenomercury (DOT) org> wrote:

Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr. Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic (DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S-transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms) do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:"...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its widespread use."So if we look at this in the context of this most recent "Old Man" findings - we must also consider that they ("older men") are more likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot boosters. As a physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23 years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with "flu-like" symptoms).Besides, this "old man" study can't be true...Bob , and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that it was "old, educated, tuna-eating women" so the real cure for autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from eating tuna sandwiches and going to college. :)Lujene President NoMercury"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research."

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From: "lujene_clark" <lujene@...>Reply-EOHarm To: EOHarm Subject: Re: "Old man replaces refrigerator mom"Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 01:13:29 -0000>Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab>samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source>which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr.>Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal>induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test>with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the>Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic>(DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any>protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S->transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against>thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms)>do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage>from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:>>"...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human>lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic>in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its>widespread use.">>So if we look at this in the context of this most recent "Old Man">findings - we must also consider that they ("older men") are more>likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot boosters. As a>physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of>these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon>was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23>years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the>medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was>required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I>only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with "flu->like" symptoms).>>Besides, this "old man" study can't be true...Bob , > and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that>it was "old, educated, tuna-eating women" so the real cure for>autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from>eating tuna sandwiches and going to college. >>Lujene >President>NoMercury>>>>"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of>developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic>changes, according to new research.">>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

So between the old man E.D. and the cold-fish refrigerator moms how are

these couples having sex anyway?

>

> " Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of

> developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic

> changes, according to new research.

>

> The

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lujene. I read a lot of mercury research, but was not aware of this one. It looks like our grandparents/great for some was the last "healthy" generation. It really makes you wonder how much and to what extent did the thimerosal injury go in regards to the health of our nation....I think very far. Don't they give lab rats mercury to induce cancer?

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of lujene_clarkSent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:13 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: "Old man replaces refrigerator mom"

Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr. Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic (DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S-transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms) do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:"...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its widespread use."So if we look at this in the context of this most recent "Old Man" findings - we must also consider that they ("older men") are more likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot boosters. As a physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23 years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with "flu-like" symptoms).Besides, this "old man" study can't be true...Bob , and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that it was "old, educated, tuna-eating women" so the real cure for autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from eating tuna sandwiches and going to college. :)Lujene President NoMercury"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research."

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lujene. I read a lot of mercury research, but was not aware of this one. It looks like our grandparents/great for some was the last "healthy" generation. It really makes you wonder how much and to what extent did the thimerosal injury go in regards to the health of our nation....I think very far. Don't they give lab rats mercury to induce cancer?

-----Original Message-----From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ]On Behalf Of lujene_clarkSent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:13 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: "Old man replaces refrigerator mom"

Thimerosal damages DNA. This fact has been well documented in lab samples (in vitro) and in animals (in vivo). A very good source which compiles much of this research can be seen in a study by Dr. Westphal and colleagues done in Göttingen Germany titled Thimerosal induces micronuclei in the cytochalasin B block micronucleus test with human lymphocytes. This study published in 2003 in the Archives of Toxicology studied whether or not the known genotoxic (DNA damaging) effects of thimerosal were dependent upon any protective effect of individuals with higher levels of glutathione S-transferase (GST) which is one of the body's defenses against thimerosal. Some individuals with genetic changes (polymorphisms) do not make as much GST and might be more susceptible to DNA damage from thimerosal. However, this study concluded that:"...thimerosal induced strong [DNA damaging] effects in...human lymphocytes. Since thimerosal was repeatedly shown to be genotoxic in vitro and in vivo, there is reason for concern about its widespread use."So if we look at this in the context of this most recent "Old Man" findings - we must also consider that they ("older men") are more likely to get routine flu, tetanus and Hep B shot boosters. As a physician, my husband, Alan, was required to routinely get all of these Thimerosal-containing boosters. He was 43 at the time Devon was concieved but had been a licensed physician since he was 23 years old (so that's a lot of booster shots). I, too, worked in the medical field for many years as a physician's office nurse and was required to stay up to date on immunization boosters (although I only took the flu shot once and was sick for three months with "flu-like" symptoms).Besides, this "old man" study can't be true...Bob , and Stehr-Green indicated at the 2004 IOM meeting that it was "old, educated, tuna-eating women" so the real cure for autism, according to their assertions, is to keep us old broads from eating tuna sandwiches and going to college. :)Lujene President NoMercury"Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk of developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other genetic changes, according to new research."

[Guest guest]

ROFLMBO!!! I'm getting visions of Will Ferrell and the other SNL

actress in the hot tub, you know, they're professors, and they start

talking about making mad passionate love in a very odd voice.

Debi

I might have to add that question in my signature line.

>

> So between the old man E.D. and the cold-fish refrigerator moms how are

> these couples having sex anyway?

>

[Guest guest]

I believe another factor driving this news item is the undercurrent

cross-generational competition between men, both professionally and in

mating habits. Proof that older men are bad seed takes a chunck out of

their allure power. This news taps into today's male insecurities;

makes the front pages.

To wit: A high number of younger men are delaying marriage into their

thirties. A high percentage of men 40's + are divorced and they

generally prefer women ten years younger then they are. So there's

lots of competition for women in the same age bracket (ticking

biological clockers). There's a glut of boy-toys on the market, and

sugardaddism is seen as highly over-rated by today's independent woman

exploring options.

So, what's that got to do with autism? Here's speculation: Typically,

when societies become too male ladened, they start wars, according to

feminist scholars (oxymoron?). So far, our wars have not resulted in

large reduction in male population. Autism, however, will take out

more " available " men over the next adult generation.

This is where Cregar comes in with her conspiracy theories. . .

Lenny

>

> The 40 plus old man study is presently zooming across the ABC news

screen. They don't miss a thing when it refers to something other

than vaccines.

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno, Lenny. As a 35 yr old female, I don't think this story would

stop the allure of older men. Women are strange creatures. All a man

has to do is put on a wedding band or tell a sob story about his

sperm, all the codependent hot mamma-to-be would be chomping at the

bit to win him over. I've known very few " independent women " who

actually preferred the boytoy over a mature man.

Debi

> To wit: A high number of younger men are delaying marriage into their

> thirties. A high percentage of men 40's + are divorced and they

> generally prefer women ten years younger then they are. So there's

> lots of competition for women in the same age bracket (ticking

> biological clockers). There's a glut of boy-toys on the market, and

> sugardaddism is seen as highly over-rated by today's independent woman

> exploring options.

[Guest guest]

Used to be-- refrigerator moms

Now-- older men

Some day??????????-- " grandfathered " mercury and other environmental toxins

Dona

[Guest guest]

From a lot of Viagra and Prozac ....

> >

> > " Children fathered by men at age 40 and older have a higher risk

of

> > developing autism, possibly because of mutations or other

genetic

> > changes, according to new research.

> >

> > The

>