Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 If your assessment was accurate Mark, the majority of physicians would have had the AMA and AAP lobbying Congress to ban mercury from all vaccines worldwide. They would also stop pawning our kids off on the schools and telling us that was our only hope. They screwed up as a whole and they are scum. I hope that was specific enough for you. > > As someone who has worked in the health care industry for 30 years, I also > don't like to see disparaging and non- > specific comments about " physicians " and the entire health care industry. > True, there are many very serious and complex problems in our industry but > it isn't fair (or accurate) to characterize physicians, in general, as > arrogant, greedy, uneducated and the entire system as corrupt. > > > Dear Vicky, > > One obviously has to agree with you, at least in part, because there are > good doctors and nurses out there who truly care. But.....big but........I > would say the huge majority do not deserve fair words and millions of people > die each year because of what they are doing (or not doing) around the world > and hundreds of millions live in misery sick with chronic illness. > > I have written yards and yards on this but as a famous survivor of the > concentration camps noted, their are decent and indecent folks in every > group and organization. > > Perhaps the most educated way of expressing the corruption of the system is > to speak about the foundation of allopathic medicine and the wrong > assumptions that have been made that are devestating. Secondly anyone who > owns alligance to the pharmaceutical companies are in league with the same > people who built and ran concentration camps...you know the IG Farben people > who are now Bayer Aspirin and three other super large pharma companies. You > can't be half a Nazi, not really. > > Those who have been trained to believe that you can poison a person back to > health are crippled for life in terms of medicine. Medical school is > actually an education in medical terrorism - and believe me I can back these > words up easily. So its a miracle when a doctor or nurse escapes the > conditioning. > > Arrogance is a good subject all by itself and it brings up the entire > subject of the human ego. How many people do you know live and breathe with > the perception that our true destiny on earth is to penetrate our egos...to > get beyong the narrow arrogance of our minds? Its such a strange concept to > the mind. In medicine and the healing arts in general ego dominates as it > does in open society. We are, as predicted by the ancients of many sects, > headed directly into the apocolypse exactly because we do not know our own > arrogance and have not penetrated the nature of our egoes. The entire > system, medically and every which way is corrupted by ego consciousness and > for that billions are doomed. The heart does not get angry in a > self-righteous way, does not get angry with individuals but with the entire > system of wrongs that create SEPARATIONS between one being and another. > > So personally I think we are entirely too nice meaning we will collectively > and even individually do very little > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Sorry Mark, someone pointed out to me that I misread Vicky's words to be yours. I should have directed my remarks to her. > > > > As someone who has worked in the health care industry for 30 years, > I also > > don't like to see disparaging and non- > > specific comments about " physicians " and the entire health care > industry. > > True, there are many very serious and complex problems in our > industry but > > it isn't fair (or accurate) to characterize physicians, in general, > as > > arrogant, greedy, uneducated and the entire system as corrupt. > > > > > > Dear Vicky, > > > > One obviously has to agree with you, at least in part, because > there are > > good doctors and nurses out there who truly care. But.....big > but........I > > would say the huge majority do not deserve fair words and millions > of people > > die each year because of what they are doing (or not doing) around > the world > > and hundreds of millions live in misery sick with chronic illness. > > > > I have written yards and yards on this but as a famous survivor of > the > > concentration camps noted, their are decent and indecent folks in > every > > group and organization. > > > > Perhaps the most educated way of expressing the corruption of the > system is > > to speak about the foundation of allopathic medicine and the wrong > > assumptions that have been made that are devestating. Secondly > anyone who > > owns alligance to the pharmaceutical companies are in league with > the same > > people who built and ran concentration camps...you know the IG > Farben people > > who are now Bayer Aspirin and three other super large pharma > companies. You > > can't be half a Nazi, not really. > > > > Those who have been trained to believe that you can poison a person > back to > > health are crippled for life in terms of medicine. Medical school > is > > actually an education in medical terrorism - and believe me I can > back these > > words up easily. So its a miracle when a doctor or nurse escapes > the > > conditioning. > > > > Arrogance is a good subject all by itself and it brings up the > entire > > subject of the human ego. How many people do you know live and > breathe with > > the perception that our true destiny on earth is to penetrate our > egos...to > > get beyong the narrow arrogance of our minds? Its such a strange > concept to > > the mind. In medicine and the healing arts in general ego dominates > as it > > does in open society. We are, as predicted by the ancients of many > sects, > > headed directly into the apocolypse exactly because we do not know > our own > > arrogance and have not penetrated the nature of our egoes. The > entire > > system, medically and every which way is corrupted by ego > consciousness and > > for that billions are doomed. The heart does not get angry in a > > self-righteous way, does not get angry with individuals but with > the entire > > system of wrongs that create SEPARATIONS between one being and > another. > > > > So personally I think we are entirely too nice meaning we will > collectively > > and even individually do very little > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 My Take for what ever it’s worth--- Doctors are NOT scientists; they are the auto mechanics of the medical field. Give them a diagnosis guide and atreatment protocol and they will do the job. They rarely invent treatments. The treatment protocols are provided by their Medical Associations. If they deviate and something happens to the patient, they are libel. If their association says vaccinate, they vaccinate. In addition vaccinating is part of their income. That is the way I see it! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Peggy, Additionally as well in most cases the next infection won't be as bad because you've built up your immune system. That is why kids are so sick in this country, antibiotics utilized over and over again, are not allowing kids to fight off things that in the past made them actually stronger. Same with vaccines. I'm not saying there isn't good medicine. But I think overall if we were all to sit back and just look at what we've created in our society, folks would realize it is not a good thing. We are an unheathly nation, getting even worse due to things like stress which also can weaken the immune system. We need to address those things rather than but a medical band-aid on top of it. Same with our kids. We need to seek what is at the heart of their illness and treat it. Medication is a band-aid that many times will lead to more difficulties as our kids age and grow into adulthood. We are seeing that quite a bit with the rise in mental illness amongst kids. Sad what we've done with meds to a generation of our kids. Especially when the majority of them have not been approved for use with children, let alone kids with ASD. But how to change that, how too to kid our kids the medical assistance they need. I'll never forget when we took our son to for an upper GI, he was vomitting and having difficulty eating. The doctor asked us why we were there at the time of the test. We told him we wanted to rule out an actual illness.....he told us " Your child has autism, why would this help? " I'll never forget that and it was so sad. Why do folks think in that fashion, think that are kids aren't also able to be medically unsound. Lost a lot of faith in doctors that day and it drove us to seek alternative options thank God. So everything does happen for a reason. Carolyn - -- In EOHarm , " Peggy Rose " <rpggyr@A...> wrote: > > OK, I tried really hard to stay out of this but I just can't anymore. > > I was reading through all these posts and something occured to me. > What follows is not a criticism of anyone. One thing I have noticed > is that we hold the pharmaceuticals, CDC, FDA and MD's responsible > for the sham we now call medical treatment. This is not just about > vaccines, or autism. It is about all disease. It's the word > responsible that is really bothering me. By holding any or all above > mentioned parties responsible, are we not giving them the very power > we accuse them of having over ourselves, and our children. The > alternative is taking responsibility. Of course if we do this it > would mean we would have to blame only ourselves for what may go > wrong if we choose to follow, or not follow an MD's advise. I have > spent more than ten years in a consant state of infuriation. It has > done nothing but make me physically ill. I have come to the decison > that I will no longer put my health in the hands of a totally broken > system. I'll do my research, look for safer alternatives, and then > live with the consequences. I no loner believe its the money the > pharmaceuticals have that give them all this power over doctors, > researchers, MD's etc. Its the fact that we continue to trust them, > and believe they have our best interest at heart. > > I caught a cold and as a result came down with a nasty sinus > infection. I could have just called my PCP and got a script for an > antibiotic. I decided against this. I wanted to see how long it would > take for my body to fight it off. Along with the help of some pretty > heavy doses of Vitamin C it took about a week or so. Funny thing is, > thats about how long it takes the antibiotic to knock it out. One of > the nurses where I work told me what I was doing was very dangerous. > You know I actually had second thoughts when she said that to me. I > realized that it was because she was a nurse and she knew things I > didn't. Those thoughts gave her some power. Then I thought about how > many people actually die from untreated sinus infection. I guess its > a possibilty, but unlikely. Amazingly I got better without drugs. > > Peggy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 -snip- .. . .By holding any or all above mentioned parties responsible, are we not giving them the very power we accuse them of having over ourselves, and our children. The alternative is taking responsibility. Of course if we do this it would mean we would have to blame only ourselves for what may go wrong if we choose to follow, or not follow an MD's advise. --------------- Peggy, Part of taking responsibility for one's actions is to sue the bastards for compensation who, by their actions, have caused you or your familiy to be injured and no longer whole by their negligence or intent. A large part of " taking responsibility " - and I'm a big fan of that - is defending oneself, yes? But I have to agree, the medical machine frighten's the hell out of me -- the more I look under the rocks they hide. Our best defense is to stay healthy by examining the quality of everything we put into our body, from meat to mate. It requires study, and the time to do it. And don't forget the money needed to pay for it. Lenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Yes, that would be why often-times people (not that *I* would no any of them <g>) go ahead and get the antibiotics prescriptions filled only to throw them into the trash. This way the parent is neither held negligent for not giving their children medical care while not harming their children by putting unneeded drugs into their bodies. You see, if you are a parent who does not immunize your child, you become an immediate target for those who would like to see parents who don't immunize thrown into jail for negligence. Then you argue with your doctor, who you are " lucky " will take you because you do refuse immunizations, and that doctor wants to prescribe antibiotics for everything. Then you don't give the meds and you're yet again looked upon as being a bad parent. It's a very serious situation and many parents need to consider what not following the doctor's prescribed course of treatment could get them. Esp if you show up with a " communicable disease " that these so-called immunizations could have prevented <sigh> and then the doc starts getting fed up with your inability to see him/her as a doctor-god worthy of worship. Then the health dept steps in to quiz you about what treatments you've given and you tell them, " Gee, my doc prescribed it but I knew it would not be beneficial... " and there's more ammo to use to call you a bad parent. Debi > Peggy, > > Part of taking responsibility for one's actions is to sue the bastards > for compensation who, by their actions, have caused you or your > familiy to be injured and no longer whole by their negligence or > intent. A large part of " taking responsibility " - and I'm a big fan of > that - is defending oneself, yes? > > But I have to agree, the medical machine frighten's the hell out of me > -- the more I look under the rocks they hide. Our best defense is to > stay healthy by examining the quality of everything we put into our > body, from meat to mate. It requires study, and the time to do it. And > don't forget the money needed to pay for it. > > Lenny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Then the > health dept steps in to quiz you about what treatments you've given > and you tell them, " Gee, my doc prescribed it but I knew it would not > be beneficial... " and there's more ammo to use to call you a bad parent. > This also can be used by one parent against the other in those families with autism that are going through divorce and custody battles. Have you chelated your son, or withheld vaccines to try to save him? Doing so may cost you custody, if your spouse let you be the one to make all the medical decisions. Remember, divorce is supposed to be much more prevalent in families with vaccine damaged children. (No matter what they may tell you, the divorce industry thrives on breaking up as many families as possible. Family courts, lawyers, psychologists, government child support collecters are dependent on divorce, not saving families. None of them can get their hands on the family assests if the divorce doesn't happen.) Lenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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