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[Guest guest]

Hi! Tanda....welcome to the group. You have come to the right place. I am

learning something new everyday. My son has plagio and tort. He has been in

helmet and PT for 11wks and so far so good. There are many of us who went

thru the same experience and ended up changing Drs. It happens more often

than people think. I wish you and yours luck and keep in touch with us.

Belinda (Indiana)

[Guest guest]

Hi Tanda-

I don't mean to butt in on your question to . BUT, did Kaia have any diagnostic tests done to rule out CS? I know lamboidal stenosis is extremely rare.

Is the back of her head flat all the way across, or more so on one side? I hope you aren't going to take your Dr's lame excuse for not prescribing treatment for your baby. If my daughter's Ped. told me she had a problem, but wasn't going to prescribe a treatment that may or may not fix it because he DIDN'T BELIEVE IN IT.....well.

Sorry, I'm getting huffy.

If the doctor referred Kaia to the neurosurgeon, I hope they don't share views.

Good Luck!

C./subscribe/Plagiocephaly

----- Original Message -----

From: cssupportgroup@...

Plagiocephalyonelist

Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 8:02 PM

Subject:

Hi -My name is Tanda and my daughter Kaia is 6 mnths old and was diagnosed with plagiocephaly 2 wks ago by Dr. Winston. I was reading one of your posts and you mentioned Denver. Did you go to the ped neurosurgeon clinic at Children's? I am new to the group(3 days) so forgive me I'm not familiar with your story. Could you share it with me?Kaia was thought to have lambdoidal CS. The back of her head is completely flat. Dr. Winston said that it was positional and that her head might or might not round out. He would not recommend a helmet or DOC brand as he said that he does not believe in them. I have another appt with a neurosurgeon(not pediatric) here in Colorado Springs on the 17th of April. I'm anxiously awaiting to get more information.Thanks for listeningTanda

[Guest guest]

What did you send your insurance company?? I am trying to get my stuff together

this week and I have Aetna. Help!!

dswilson@...

Bonni wilson

Kominek, a Benn wrote:

> ,

>

> Let me know how it goes with Cigna -- I have Cigna too. So far I have

> called them to ask if it was covered, and they had never heard of it. I

> ended up writing them a letter with references and faxing it and some

> articles to them -- I haven't heard back from them yet.

>

> I am just trying to find out if they cover it, and haven't gotten a

> prescription yet. (my pediatrician and neurosurgeon in town say he'll grow

> out of it, so I am going to go to Dallas to see a neurosurgeon, and I'm

> trying to figure out how to get this stuff covered by my insurance.) I am

> in an HMO, so it makes it a little harder, because I need a referral from my

> pediatrician to get it covered

> in-network, and I don't have that referral.

>

> a K.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Kali [mailto:tnt@...]

> Sent: April 05, 2000 6:38 PM

> Plagiocephalyegroups

> Subject:

>

> Thanks for the information about the Oak Wood Clinic. I haven't gotten my

> letter of medical necessity yet from the neurosurgeon (he volunteered to

> write it, and it was supposed to be here the beginning of this week).

> Called the hospital to find out if it had been sent.....

>

> nope -- " we'll have Dr. get that right out for you. " Sheesh! I was hoping

> we would get the band before the end of April. Guess we still have time to

> meet that goal...

>

> I'm hoping with the letter that Cigna (our insurance) won't be too much

> trouble, Cranial Tech said they'd take care of it with the letter of

> necessity... do I have to do something too? (Cigna originally told me with a

> letter of medical necessity that it would be approved, though by how much

> I'm not sure... hopefully 80%)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

I'm going to have my pediatrician get that referral going now and

will

have the films sent the specialist that I see. It is really hard

because you WANT to trust your health care provider but it has been

proven time and again that there are times when you can not. What is

good about Ethan is that I do not really see any misalignment of his

eyes or ears. I do notice his eyes protruding a tad as well as

forehead. (My husband doesn't see it but I do)

Thanks,

Jana

> > I am not saying this to damper your parade at all. I am just

> saying that I

> > have a paper from the radiologist here that said none of

s

> suture

> > were fused, of course we know and knew better. In fact they

even

> said

> > " sagittal was open " DUH!!! The choice is up to you!! I could

> also talk to

> > you about the team I went to in Missouri that looks at films and

> diagnoses

> > and all you have to pay for is to send the films overnight.

Just a

> > thought-- P.

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: jana.richards@l... [mailto:jana.richards@l...]

> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 5:44 PM

> > Plagiocephalyegroups

> > Subject: Ethan's X-ray results are back - good news

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > I'm new to the group - just posted for the first time a few

days

> > ago. Ethan's xray results came back negative for cranio. The

doc.

> > said that two radiologists looked at them. I'm wondering if I

> should

> > have a surgeon examine them since others in the group have

> mentioned

> > possible misreadings of xrays. I them mentioned the DOC band

to

> my

> > ped. and he had never heard of it. I told him a little about

it

> and

> > what I had read. He wants to wait until his 9mo checkup to

see if

> > the flatness rounds out any. He feels that Ethan will be

sitting

> up

> > more and spending less time on his back and that his head

should

> > round out more. He also said that if we shaved everyone's head

> that

> > we would notice alot of funny shapes (this didn't make me

feel

any

> > better). Has anyone out there NOT used any corrective

measures,

> such

> > as the band, and seen good results just with changing sleep

> > positioning? The ped. said if by 9mo his head is still flat

then

> he

> > will refer me to a neurosurgeon. Will this be too late for

> > correction? He will be 7mo on June 4th.

> > Thanks,

> > Jana

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Well like it has been stated I think the ears are a BIG thing. If they are forward it is a good chance it is postior plagiocephaly and if the ear on the affected side is getting pulled backwards it could be lamdoid. Just hang in there!! P.

-----Original Message-----From: jana.richards@... [mailto:jana.richards@...]Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 6:14 PMPlagiocephalyegroupsSubject: Re: RE: RE: ,I'm going to have my pediatrician get that referral going now andwill have the films sent the specialist that I see. It is really hard because you WANT to trust your health care provider but it has been proven time and again that there are times when you can not. What is good about Ethan is that I do not really see any misalignment of his eyes or ears. I do notice his eyes protruding a tad as well as forehead. (My husband doesn't see it but I do) Thanks,Jana> > I am not saying this to damper your parade at all. I am just> saying that I> > have a paper from the radiologist here that said none of s> suture> > were fused, of course we know and knew better. In fact they even> said> > "sagittal was open" DUH!!! The choice is up to you!! I could> also talk to> > you about the team I went to in Missouri that looks at films and> diagnoses> > and all you have to pay for is to send the films overnight. Just a> > thought-- P.> > -----Original Message-----> > From: jana.richards@l... [mailto:jana.richards@l...]> > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 5:44 PM> > Plagiocephalyegroups> > Subject: Ethan's X-ray results are back - good news> >> >> > Hi,> > I'm new to the group - just posted for the first time a few days> > ago. Ethan's xray results came back negative for cranio. The doc.> > said that two radiologists looked at them. I'm wondering if I> should> > have a surgeon examine them since others in the group have> mentioned> > possible misreadings of xrays. I them mentioned the DOC band to> my> > ped. and he had never heard of it. I told him a little about it> and> > what I had read. He wants to wait until his 9mo checkup to see if> > the flatness rounds out any. He feels that Ethan will be sitting> up> > more and spending less time on his back and that his head should> > round out more. He also said that if we shaved everyone's head> that> > we would notice alot of funny shapes (this didn't make mefeel any> > better). Has anyone out there NOT used any corrective measures,> such> > as the band, and seen good results just with changing sleep> > positioning? The ped. said if by 9mo his head is still flat then> he> > will refer me to a neurosurgeon. Will this be too late for> > correction? He will be 7mo on June 4th.> > Thanks,> > Jana> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------> --------> > --> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------> --------> > --> >

[Guest guest]

Well, luckily or not, my oldest looks much younger and my middle looks

(and acts) much older, I need two big sticks and one leash!!! You have

your hands full girlfriend!!!

My boy time is coming up as well, I have a six year old son and it is

just a few years down the road before I get to be alarmed at his little

remarks about the possible age of girls he admires!!! LOL I will tell

him to keep that thing to himself until he gets married (maybe even

then!!) LOL!!! The girls I tell them to keep those knees together and

stay prone and seated until they get married (maybe even after then)!!!

LOL!!!

Life is so fun!!!

Hugs and Prayers,

On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:17:36 -0500 " SUSAN TENBROOK "

<viligidiot@...> writes:

> I know it...they aren't babies anymore huh ?

>

> To make matters even worse, she looks older....most people guess her

>

> at 16! My friend 's son, who is 22 and in college, thought she

>

> was grown...LOL...I need a big leash and a big stick! HAHA

>

> HUGS

> in Ark

>

>

[Guest guest]

lol Jill, buy that boy some one piece jammies...lol.

I know your predicament, that's for sure. I haven't

bought any 2 piece'rs. The few I do have are like 6

to 9 month pants, and way too short...lol. I figure

this summer I'll make them all shorts...hehe.

kel

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I agree, M. The fact is, no one should get tested, and I tell this to everyone

I possibly can. My parents spread the word, my little brother spreads the word.

In a way, now, I'm almost glad I tested because I've learned something and have

been able to help other people see the truth. However, having been tested

myself,

I am on a " list. " and the law considers me a criminal for having sex. The fact

is, I am a very active and pronounced dissident. I'm not going to hide that so

I can convince some ignorant, coward that I'm really perfectly safe to fuck.

Fortunately,

I have found a lover who is smart enough and doesn't care. He doesn't care

because

he loves me. That makes him worth my time. They're out there, these

intelligent,

truly loving people. They're very hard to find, but they're out there. The

fact

is, this " HIV " entity... it's a great judge of character. Drop that three

letter

word, and you can almost immediately seperate the men from the mice... or the

sheep...

so to speak. It's almost as decent a character judge as dropping the other

three

letter word... GAY. It makes it quite easy to tell who's a jerk and who

isn't...

who's insecure and who isn't. Who can think for themselves? Who can't?

Believe

me, if the law weren't against me, I wouldn't say anything... but I wouldn't

hide

it either. It takes two to not put a condom on you know? However, any lover...

be it casual or intimate is still a friend, and I want my friends to trust me.

If they're too stupid or too scared to learn something, then they're really not

worth my time. I understand the fear of rejection. I've lived it like all of

you.

I've had my share of hurtful rejections. But I would rather be open about my

dissidence

and educate the world so that eventually, everyone will know and no one will

have

to be rejected for such a ridiculous thing again. Still working at it eh? Caer

[Guest guest]

I love those power naps. I come home from work and sleep 3 hours and do

nothing the rest of the day.

[ ] Re: RE:

> Edgy damn, everyone say I have been fine. But after yesterday at

the doctors I feel alone again. Hobby informed me this morning that

since our visit with the doctor, he expects me to do everything

again. Doctor didn't seem to concern about you be tired, well now I

am on strike. And I can strike for a long time.

I could never have worked while on therapy. I'm amazed at how many

of you are able to do so. But, I was put on SSI before the therapy

started so maybe I'm much further along than most of you. It has been

20+ years for me and the first 17 1/2 were on med.s for auto immune

so that reallyworked against me. The therapy for that is contrary for

Hep C. Also that Doc had me working 6 to 7 days a week as a type of

therapy. Keep my spirits up crap. Once i went on SSI, besides

becoming immediately poor, I felt much better.

Way long ago the best therapy they offered was rest, plenty of

rest. I think that still holds some merit. Take some naps.

Kay

[Guest guest]

I was very lucky. I was not really symptomatic, though in hindsight I recognized some symptoms. I thought I was doing fine until I found out I had the virus. I also have a desk job which allowed me some leeway, I have to honestly say, they didn't get 100% from me during that time period. I spent a lot of time on .com reading and corresponding with my fellow heppers... -dz-Kay <wschulz1@...> wrote:

> Edgy damn, everyone say I have been fine. But after yesterday at the doctors I feel alone again. Hobby informed me this morning that since our visit with the doctor, he expects me to do everything again. Doctor didn't seem to concern about you be tired, well now I am on strike. And I can strike for a long time. I could never have worked while on therapy. I'm amazed at how many of you are able to do so. But, I was put on SSI before the therapy started so maybe I'm much further along than most of you. It has been 20+ years for me and the first 17 1/2 were on med.s for auto immune so that reallyworked against me. The therapy for that is contrary for Hep C. Also that Doc had me working 6 to 7 days a week as a

type of therapy. Keep my spirits up crap. Once i went on SSI, besides becoming immediately poor, I felt much better. Way long ago the best therapy they offered was rest, plenty of rest. I think that still holds some merit. Take some naps.Kay

[Guest guest]

You know just when you think you've heard, seen or read everything..There it is, a new weirdness . This one just tops them all, oh my god...Kathy B.

[

Makes me wonder what some peoples motives really are.

I have a second favorite group and a few weeks ago we welcomed Twirlyngirl with open arms.She had a boyfriend with Hep C and was going to donate part of her liver for a live liver transplant to her boyfriend.

She posted everyday telling us about her life and wonderfull boyfriend.She gave us the date of surgery and even the hospital.

About a week before the surgery,she posted that her boyfriend had decided to go back to his wife,but she was going through with the transplant.

The group gave her lots of encouragment and words of her unselfessness and bravery.

One of the original members in the group became suspicious when the flowers he sent were undelverable.He became relentless in contacting this person and we finally got a post from a family member,saying she was mentally ill and had made the whole thing up

Kathy Brunow

[Guest guest]

Duncan

Is Paw-Paw the same as papaya? What is ATP? If ATP reduced energy production

in the cell, then can VCO not help by giving more energy?

Thanks.

Re: Re:

> Read info on graviola at raintree.com. You might want to try it. I

> drink it every now and then.

>

>

Real PawPaw extract is about 56 times as potent a cancer killer as

graviola. The downside is that the experiment reduces ATP energy

production in the cells. Although this can kill cancer cells, I have

serious reservations about depleting ATP and thus normal cellular

function throughout the body.

In fact, increasing ATP means the cells are in fact more oxidative,

and this also is a treatment for cancer and detoxification, and

graviola and PawPaw do the opposite.

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Hi, my name is and I was hoping to find a list for LDN and MS. If anyone finds a list, can you please send it to me?

Thank you in advance.

[low dose naltrexone]> > > > I also want very much to be included> > Im new also> > Terresa.> >> >> >> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

What kind of list are you looking for? Are you looking for a list of doctors, list of sites, or the protocols for taking LDN for MS from Dr. ce?

Just let me know exactly what it is and I will try and help

Aletha

[low dose naltrexone]> > > > I also want very much to be included> > Im new also> > Terresa.> >> >> >> >> >> >

[Guest guest]

I am on 500 MG of Dialatin. Was on topamax but that was horrible. Thanks for

writing back I am at the point that I just need to hear from others that they

get these strange things also the part I think I need the most is to know I am

not alone. Its like living in a whole different body.

vicki

> Hi Vicki,

We started taking our daughter to a Naturopath/Homeopath last year

after seeing many doctors for various symptoms including the

seizures.

She suggested putting her on a " Brain Protocol " which is a 4 week

system of various tinctures and tissue salts etc. The seizures she

has periodically now are 'different' from what they used to be...not

as severe. (She has also been on Lamictal now for over a year which

we hope to get her off one day)

The unfortunate part is that she is Special Needs and therefore has

very limited speech so I'm not sure how it makes her feel...all I

know is that her overall health has improved!

www.abchomeopathy.com is one of many sites you may want to research

about the Brain Protocol to see if it is something that could

possibly help you.

What I like so much about seeing a Naturopathic doctor is that she

was willing to look at the WHOLE PICTURE...before we had to run from

one doctor to another for each symptom.

GOOD LUCK to you.

(PS. Are you taking any pharmaceutical drugs ? maybe it's a drug

that is making you feel that flickering??)

Sophie

>

> I have a question and don't know if anyone could tell me but I

am going to ask.

>

> I have post polio which also causes problems with my brain but

there is no known cure(or anything even to try to solve this)

>

> But I am trying to tell the difference between if what is going

on with me is from the post polio or from seizures so I can decide

what do try next.

>

> I have not had a grand mal seizure since March. But I also have

focal seizures. which at one time I knew for sure I was having a

focal seizure but now I am unsure if this is seizure activity of

not. I am ignorant when it comes to seizures. this is all to new

to me.

>

> what is happening with my brain and almost all the time is(this

is so hard to put in words thats why asking a doctor who has no idea

how it feels has not worked) Its like a flickering of my brain.

sort of like a focal seizure starting and stopping but not going

into the full thing. and like a numbing in my brain. I sort of have

the feeling like I am not totally here but function fine.

>

> This probably makes no sense to no one and your think I am

crazy but I had to take the chance to see if anyone has ever

experienced this.

>

> vicki

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Judy,

Yes the all day and night is quite stressful and scary because it is hard to

imagine a happy ending.

No, we didn't hospitalize him. We started with ERP therapy 3 times a week in the

beginning. We didn't give him any meds as the current accepted protocol for OCD

in children is to try therapy alone first unless they are too severe to

participate. We did consider the medicine because he was quite severe but

decided to wait and see about it since he was just 5. I also read about 6 books

on helping kids with OCD so I could know what to do (I am somewhat of a speed

reader). The doctor gave us a lot of advice on how to make it through the day

and night. I asked a lot of questions. The kids support group really helped him

to understand the concept of the brain not working properly.

>

> From: jchabot <jchabot@...>

> Date: 2006/07/12 Wed AM 09:11:13 EDT

>

> Subject: Re: Re:

>

> ,

> Thanks so much for sharing! I have an appt. at 10:30 this am. There has to

be something to stop this! It's literally constant. He never stops telling me

this horrible stuff! It's all day.

> Can I ask if your son's symptoms let up on it's own or did you have to

hospitalize him ?meds?etc.

> thanks and hugs

> Judy

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

How are you feeling these days?

in NY

Re: Map of people living with achalasia

>

>

>

> Yes, I would. I currently live in the SF bay Area.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Would anyone be interested in an interactive map with markers on it

> > for people who live with achalasia? I think it could help us to

> connect

> > with others in near us, for example, for support and assistance.

> >

> > I have experience creating these types of maps for connecting

people

> > with similar interests, and I have been thinking that if I set

> one up

> > for the achalasia community, it could really help us to connect

> > with others in the local area for support.

> >

> > kristopher setchfield

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey

Glad to hear that you were getting the J tube removed!!! WOO HOO.

I’m doing better yesterday and today, left me pretty

tired. But that’s to be expected with any surgery!

Seem to be healing just fine, I go back June 5th for

my check up and that’s that!!

I had an apocalypse moment and I have reapplied to go back to

college to finish my degree. Guess its about time since I have a high school

grad that is getting ready to go to college LOL.

C Warren

Co-Founder

www.achalasia.us

From:

achalasia [mailto:achalasia ] On Behalf Of tracylb@...

Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:23 PM

achalasia

Subject: Re: RE: Re:

Hey ,

How are you feeling these days?

in NY

Re: Map of people living with achalasia

>

>

>

> Yes, I would. I currently live in the SF bay Area.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Would anyone be interested in an interactive map with markers on it

> > for people who live with achalasia? I think it could help us to

> connect

> > with others in near us, for example, for support and assistance.

> >

> > I have experience creating these types of maps for connecting

people

> > with similar interests, and I have been thinking that if I set

> one up

> > for the achalasia community, it could really help us to connect

> > with others in the local area for support.

> >

> > kristopher setchfield

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Back to college, ?!?! To write in your terms (only for once): WOO HOO... Wow, that's a big, but great step!!! Great to hear how good you are doing!!! Love, Isabella Warren <juliecwarren@...> wrote: Hey Glad to hear

that you were getting the J tube removed!!! WOO HOO. I’m doing better yesterday and today, left me pretty tired. But that’s to be expected with any surgery! Seem to be healing just fine, I go back June 5th for my check up and that’s that!! I had an apocalypse moment and I have reapplied to go back to college to finish my degree. Guess its about time since I have a high school grad that is getting ready to go to college LOL. C Warren Co-Founder www.achalasia.us From: achalasia [mailto:achalasia ] On Behalf Of tracylbstny (DOT) rr.comSent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:23 PMachalasia Subject: Re: RE: Re: Hey , How are you feeling these days? in NY Re: Map of people living with achalasia> > > > Yes, I would. I currently live in the SF bay Area.> > > > > >> > Would anyone be interested in an interactive map with markers on it> > for people who live with achalasia? I think it could help us to > connect> > with others in near us, for example, for support and assistance.> > > > I have experience creating these types of maps for connecting people> > with similar interests, and I have been thinking that if I set > one up> > for the achalasia community, it could really help us to connect> > with others in the local area for support.> > > > kristopher setchfield> >> > > >

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[Guest guest]

MicheleI am off on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday next week. It might be a stretch for you, but if you do want to get together I could pick you up at the hospital, we could certainly just eat in the cafeteria and just talk? That would be so wonderful!Let me know what you decide to do, and I'll give you my cell #. Don't feel like you have to do this, I realize that your priority will be your mom.

I'm sure that you are exhausted with the travelling and it will be an ordeal for you next week as well.

I hope that your hubby and get into the doctor soon. Tell that Rob is still faithfully taking his meds, which includes his Enbrel shot once a week, and he is still doing quite well!

Hang in there, I know you have a lot ahead of you this week...

I'll keep your mom in prayer on Monday. and Rob 18 JAS RE: /update on all of us and what I've been > up to!> > > > I hope Jessie is feeling well today. I am reading with great > > interest your experience with Orencia - I sure hope this is > the > > ticket to helping you feel better. I have looked into it to > > suggest to my dh, as he is getting to where he too is having > > trouble functioning. > > > > That is good news about Rob and the insurance. I will continue > > to keep you in my prayers; I will be off to Indy again on > Monday > > to take mom for pre-op testing. Michele ( 20, spondy)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I would really love to. I won’t be

there until late on Tuesday, and of course will be at the hospital. She may get

out on Wednesday, we just don’t know. But if not this time I would enjoy

trying to get together at another date. Let’s see what we can figure out.

I will pass along the word about the meds.

Always good to have someone besides mom’s advice. LOL

Thanks for the prayers, Michele

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of snooksmama@...

Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007

6:11 AM

Subject: Re: RE: RE:

Michele

I am off on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday next week. It might be a stretch for

you, but if you do want to get together I could pick you up at the hospital, we

could certainly just eat in the cafeteria and just talk? That would be so

wonderful!

Let me know what you decide to do, and I'll give you my cell #. Don't feel like

you have to do this, I realize that your priority will be your mom.

I'm sure that you are exhausted with the travelling and it will be an

ordeal for you next week as well.

I hope that your hubby and get into the doctor soon. Tell Chris

that Rob is still faithfully taking his meds, which includes his Enbrel shot

once a week, and he is still doing quite well!

Hang in there, I know you have a lot ahead of you this week...

I'll keep your mom in prayer on Monday.

and Rob 18 JAS

RE: /update on all of us and what I've been

> up to!

>

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> > interest your experience with Orencia - I sure hope this is

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> > suggest to my dh, as he is getting to where he too is having

> > trouble functioning.

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> > That is good news about Rob and the insurance. I will continue

> > to keep you in my prayers; I will be off to Indy again on

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[Guest guest]

It's our responsibility to help change the way patients think about their own health. We are the ones, not the for=profit insurers who will make those changes in the way patient's think about personal responsibilities for health.As to a free market system, the Medicare example with 2% overhead costs are an established model that we know works. Call it what you will, but for those who are over 65 and using it now, it works well. What will the chiropractic role be in that model? That's the work of all of us at this point.In a single-payer system, we each have a health identification card, and choice of state licensed physicians to choose from, the state pays the bill. It's the patients that will drive the care, not the insurer. How much we are paid for our services, and which services will be paid for, are the evolving new paradigm that we all need to understand well so that we can communicate it to the public. That's why I'm in favor of the ACA and all of us advocating for all of the Nature-based healing professions, so that we can be seen as the rightful leaders in this field. Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Jul 31, 2009, at 9:49 AM, D Beebe, D.C. wrote: Didn't answer the question. You have embraced the notion that the " bad " insurance companies need to be liquidated to cover the " costs" of insuring people who may or may not want/care or have any desire to change behaviour towards a wellness model. You embrace the notion that it is OK in a free market sysrem to socialize an industry in HOPES of setting a better system in place. The simple question is what are you going to do when it is Chiropractic or yoga or nutrition, instead of insurance? Danno Re: New Constitutional amendment "Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today created an opening for the single payer health care movement by winning adoption of an amendment which eliminates a federal barrier to states choosing to enact single payer health plans. The amendment won on a bipartisan basis during lengthy committee action on HR 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act." http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=138052 By overturning ERISA laws, states will be free to initiate single-payer plans. This is how Canada got their system, first in Saskatchewan, then federally. Single-payer remains the only plan which would insure all, give freedom to choose your own doctors and not raise costs. But, it would come at the expense of no more private insurers. Boo Hoo! Sears, DC, IAYT 2609 NW Thurman Portland, Oregon 97210 v: 503-225-0255 f: 503-525-6902 www.docbones.com On Jul 30, 2009, at 6:39 AM, cosmo wrote: ....via Conyers (D Mich)House Judiciary Chairman Conyers (D-Mich.) said he is introducing a constitutional amendment that would establish health care as “a right” for all Americans. http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51742J. Pedersen DC No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.37/2273 - Release Date: 07/30/09 18:09:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00

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It's our responsibility to help change the way patients think about their own health. We are the ones, not the for=profit insurers who will make those changes in the way patient's think about personal responsibilities for health.As to a free market system, the Medicare example with 2% overhead costs are an established model that we know works. Call it what you will, but for those who are over 65 and using it now, it works well. What will the chiropractic role be in that model? That's the work of all of us at this point.In a single-payer system, we each have a health identification card, and choice of state licensed physicians to choose from, the state pays the bill. It's the patients that will drive the care, not the insurer. How much we are paid for our services, and which services will be paid for, are the evolving new paradigm that we all need to understand well so that we can communicate it to the public. That's why I'm in favor of the ACA and all of us advocating for all of the Nature-based healing professions, so that we can be seen as the rightful leaders in this field. Sears, DC, IAYT2609 NW ThurmanPortland, Oregon 97210v: 503-225-0255f: 503-525-6902www.docbones.comOn Jul 31, 2009, at 9:49 AM, D Beebe, D.C. wrote: Didn't answer the question. You have embraced the notion that the " bad " insurance companies need to be liquidated to cover the " costs" of insuring people who may or may not want/care or have any desire to change behaviour towards a wellness model. You embrace the notion that it is OK in a free market sysrem to socialize an industry in HOPES of setting a better system in place. The simple question is what are you going to do when it is Chiropractic or yoga or nutrition, instead of insurance? Danno Re: New Constitutional amendment "Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today created an opening for the single payer health care movement by winning adoption of an amendment which eliminates a federal barrier to states choosing to enact single payer health plans. The amendment won on a bipartisan basis during lengthy committee action on HR 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act." http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=138052 By overturning ERISA laws, states will be free to initiate single-payer plans. This is how Canada got their system, first in Saskatchewan, then federally. Single-payer remains the only plan which would insure all, give freedom to choose your own doctors and not raise costs. But, it would come at the expense of no more private insurers. Boo Hoo! Sears, DC, IAYT 2609 NW Thurman Portland, Oregon 97210 v: 503-225-0255 f: 503-525-6902 www.docbones.com On Jul 30, 2009, at 6:39 AM, cosmo wrote: ....via Conyers (D Mich)House Judiciary Chairman Conyers (D-Mich.) said he is introducing a constitutional amendment that would establish health care as “a right” for all Americans. http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=51742J. Pedersen DC No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.37/2273 - Release Date: 07/30/09 18:09:00 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00

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Great post Michele, you captured the heart of /Uncle Rusty.

Just to add, he is in Norton Hospital in Louisville, Kentucky. You can google it

and get the address and please do send him a card. He would truly appreciate it!

, adult onset RA, mom to Rob, 21, JAS in remission

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>

>

>

> Hi Donna,

> For us newbies, would you mind saying just a bit about

> /Uncle Rusty. I don't remember any recent posts by him.

> Would love to mail him a card; don't have the address. Maybe my

> daughter could make a card for him. Thanks.

> nn (, 9, systemic)

>

>

> >

> >

> > Just got of the phone and docs do not want to do anything else

> at the moment. The infection is one common with abdominal/ bowel

> issues and there is no clarification as to how it got to the hip

> but discussion of exploratory surgery are now on hold and

> is in limbo with docs waiting and watching. His spirits were

> very low for and seems a bit of depression is taking

> over. Please call or send cards! I think it will help!

> > Thanks and hugs!

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> > =

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Morse

Norton Hospital

Room 5K01

200 E. Chestnut Street

Louisville, Kentucky 40202

phone (502) 629-8000

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> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Donna,

> > For us newbies, would you mind saying just a bit about

> > /Uncle Rusty. I don't remember any recent posts by him.

> > Would love to mail him a card; don't have the address. Maybe

> my

> > daughter could make a card for him. Thanks.

> > nn (, 9, systemic)

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Just got of the phone and docs do not want to do anything

> else

> > at the moment. The infection is one common with abdominal/

> bowel

> > issues and there is no clarification as to how it got to the

> hip

> > but discussion of exploratory surgery are now on hold and

>

> > is in limbo with docs waiting and watching. His spirits were

> > very low for and seems a bit of depression is taking

> > over. Please call or send cards! I think it will help!

> > > Thanks and hugs!

> > > Donna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =

> > >

> > >

> > >