Re: Prilosec is now OTC/digestive enzymes

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

I keep telling myself I shouldn't be surprised when I hear these things,

but my blood boils every time.

Interesting to see that wrote a whole book on stomach acid.

Do you know if he recommends particular enzymes? I've been looking at

Peptizyde, and am finding that there are so many more varieties of these

plant-based enzymes, some full-spectrum and others heavier on the

proteases. (just started to plough through all the info at www.enzymestuff.com)

At this point I'm not sure what I need, but I think I need to go one step

up from the basic full-spectrum product I've been using (EnzyMega). I'm

completely gluten-free but I'm still eating some raw cheese and am

wondering if casein even from raw dairy might be causing any immune

reactions that I can't immediately perceive. Since I have such a small

repertoire of foods at this point, I'd hate to give that up without

reasonable doubt. Might be worth a few-day trial, I guess, but I rarely get

feedback that I can trace to a dietary change except over the longer run.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting the enzyme website.

A little over a year ago, I was diagnosed with acid reflux, and

tried Prilosec, it made it worse. Instead, I thought it through and

started taking a little vinegar before meals, then graduated to

taking HCL before meals, to increase my stomach acid, and I've been

eating more raw food and also enzymes.

Much much better

Laurie

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

Thanks for the reminder about vinegar! I can't seem to tolerate

taking HCL and wasn't sure how to get around that. And I do love

vinegary things.

Great to hear your good results.

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--- In , " lassegaard " <glowbear@w...>

wrote:

> Thanks for posting the enzyme website.

>

> A little over a year ago, I was diagnosed with acid reflux, and

> tried Prilosec, it made it worse. Instead, I thought it through

and

> started taking a little vinegar before meals, then graduated to

> taking HCL before meals, to increase my stomach acid, and I've been

> eating more raw food and also enzymes.

>

> Much much better

> Laurie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

V. has a web site with articles,some are about

digestion. There you might find an answer about the enzymes.

www.tahoma-clinic.com

All my best,

Sheila

-- In , <karenr@c...>

wrote:

> Heidi,

>

> I keep telling myself I shouldn't be surprised when I hear these

things,

> but my blood boils every time.

>

> Interesting to see that wrote a whole book on

stomach acid.

> Do you know if he recommends particular enzymes? I've been looking

at

> Peptizyde, and am finding that there are so many more varieties of

these

> plant-based enzymes, some full-spectrum and others heavier on the

> proteases. (just started to plough through all the info at

www.enzymestuff.com)

>

> At this point I'm not sure what I need, but I think I need to go

one step

> up from the basic full-spectrum product I've been using (EnzyMega).

I'm

> completely gluten-free but I'm still eating some raw cheese and am

> wondering if casein even from raw dairy might be causing any immune

> reactions that I can't immediately perceive. Since I have such a

small

> repertoire of foods at this point, I'd hate to give that up without

> reasonable doubt. Might be worth a few-day trial, I guess, but I

rarely get

> feedback that I can trace to a dietary change except over the

longer run.

>

> -

[Guest guest]

>Interesting to see that wrote a whole book on stomach acid.

>Do you know if he recommends particular enzymes? I've been looking at

>Peptizyde, and am finding that there are so many more varieties of these

>plant-based enzymes, some full-spectrum and others heavier on the

>proteases. (just started to plough through all the info at www.enzymestuff.com)

I know a woman who went to him, and she ended up on BioGest (at his

recommendation,

I believe). His book has much more indepth recommendations though. For

instance, some people get better by adding turmeric to their diet (which I did,

turns

out I love the stuff too). Good Indian curries, here I come!

But he mainly recommends HCL, which isn't just enzymes, it is Hydrochloric acid.

BioGest has both. You CAN'T take it on an empty stomach though!

>At this point I'm not sure what I need, but I think I need to go one step

>up from the basic full-spectrum product I've been using (EnzyMega). I'm

>completely gluten-free but I'm still eating some raw cheese and am

>wondering if casein even from raw dairy might be causing any immune

>reactions that I can't immediately perceive. Since I have such a small

>repertoire of foods at this point, I'd hate to give that up without

>reasonable doubt. Might be worth a few-day trial, I guess, but I rarely get

>feedback that I can trace to a dietary change except over the longer run.

That's my problem too. I type everything into the computer along with symptoms

-- I have

a little program I wrote (which unfortunately is not sharable because of the

language

it is written in). I still haven't decided about dairy, but I do test positive

for IgA allergy

to casein. Cheese doesn't give me any immediate reactions, but once I gave it up

I

got somewhat aversive to it, which likely means something.

Over the last 6 months or so, I've had ZERO heartburn though, or nausea of any

kind. Given that I'm doing these gonzo Warrior meals in the evening that is

rather significant. Last night I had 4 greasy fried tacos (in palm oil, not my

usual

coconut oil), plus a couple extra tortillas, avacodo/tomato salad, kefir beer,

and

wine, with no enzymes.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>A little over a year ago, I was diagnosed with acid reflux, and

>tried Prilosec, it made it worse. Instead, I thought it through and

>started taking a little vinegar before meals, then graduated to

>taking HCL before meals, to increase my stomach acid, and I've been

>eating more raw food and also enzymes.

>

>Much much better

>Laurie

I didn't mention, but Dr. mentions vinegar too, I think. Apparently

the sphincter at the top of the stomach closes TIGHT when it detects acid.

So it leaks when acid is LOW. So Prilosec makes it worse, acid makes it

better. Lowering the stomach acid prevents the esophagus from getting

" burned " so much, but at the expense of food digestion.

I also note that a lot of cultures eat " pickles " with a meal ...

Eating kimchi with each meal gives a person a shot of acid and

enzymes and probiotics, all in one.

Given that there is some research on this, you kind of wonder at

the Prilosec people! I wonder also at the medical community ...

the other solution they offer is to " wrap " the sphincter so it

closes more, surgically.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

> His book has much more indepth recommendations though. For

> instance, some people get better by adding turmeric to their diet >

> (which I did, turns out I love the stuff too). Good Indian curries,

here I come!

Well that would be an easy solution, since I love Indian flavors, but

I bloat just thinking about the beans/rice I used to try to endure!

But to use it with veggies would work.. I used to do stir-fries with

Indian spices, and might just go back to that.

> But he mainly recommends HCL, which isn't just enzymes, it is

Hydrochloric acid. BioGest has both. You CAN'T take it on an empty

stomach though!

Yeah, maybe that was my problem, taking it with too little food in

the stomach, even though I took a very small amount. Kind of a

vicious cycle when I can't eat enough to take enzymes which might

help me eat enough!

> Over the last 6 months or so, I've had ZERO heartburn though, or

nausea of any kind. Given that I'm doing these gonzo Warrior meals in

the evening that is rather significant.

I would say so!

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[Guest guest]

When I went low carb my acid reflux couldn't tolerate it and left. ;-)

As long as I stay away from the high processed junk and sugar I have no

problems.

Enjoy! ;-)

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

Thanks for posting the enzyme website.

A little over a year ago, I was diagnosed with acid reflux, and

tried Prilosec, it made it worse. Instead, I thought it through and

started taking a little vinegar before meals, then graduated to

taking HCL before meals, to increase my stomach acid, and I've been

eating more raw food and also enzymes.

Much much better

Laurie