Re: OT Educational games for Aspies

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In a message dated 07/10/2006 08:27:44 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@... writes:

He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at> > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of trying> > to get compliance)

>>>Zoe please consider Growing Minds next they are over - this was always my problem/fear/experience with Sam - now he is using the computer - he wouldnt even LOOK at it 3 weeks ago

Mandi x

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Zoombinis -- maths/logic games. Brilliant fun won't notice what he's doing

Cluefinder series

World Explorer/British Isles Explorer Dorling Kindersley -- there are

lots more DK but they are more like an online science book in format.

These two are games

Sally

Zoe wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> Am on a mission to try to acquire some new educational computer

> games for Philip (aged 7, Asperger's, not currently in school).

>

> He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at

> homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of trying

> to get compliance) but will happily play on the computer, so during

> his daily hour (we are Nazis about time on computer) we try to

> encourage educational games.

>

> He has:

>

> Disney's Jungle Book Key stage 1

> Disney's Jungle Book Key stage 2

> Disney's Maths Quest with Aladdin

> Disney's Search for the Secret Keys

>

> and has also happily played Rainbow Fish and Rainbow Fish and the

> Whale....although these aren't technically educational games they do

> contain a bit of problem solving and some logic puzzles.

>

> I can't seem to find any more of this type of game in the shops or

> on Ebay - does anyone have any suggestions for any other affordable

> games of a similar ilk?

>

> Thanks

>

> Zoe

>

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Plus also Wordshark and Numbershark which are published by Whiten Line?

White Space?. These are the curriculum on disc taught in the form of games

Sally

Zoe wrote:

>

> Hi all

>

> Am on a mission to try to acquire some new educational computer

> games for Philip (aged 7, Asperger's, not currently in school).

>

> He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at

> homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of trying

> to get compliance) but will happily play on the computer, so during

> his daily hour (we are Nazis about time on computer) we try to

> encourage educational games.

>

> He has:

>

> Disney's Jungle Book Key stage 1

> Disney's Jungle Book Key stage 2

> Disney's Maths Quest with Aladdin

> Disney's Search for the Secret Keys

>

> and has also happily played Rainbow Fish and Rainbow Fish and the

> Whale....although these aren't technically educational games they do

> contain a bit of problem solving and some logic puzzles.

>

> I can't seem to find any more of this type of game in the shops or

> on Ebay - does anyone have any suggestions for any other affordable

> games of a similar ilk?

>

> Thanks

>

> Zoe

>

>

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Thanks Sally that's really helpful Will try to search them out

later today.

Zoe

> >

> > Hi all

> >

> > Am on a mission to try to acquire some new educational computer

> > games for Philip (aged 7, Asperger's, not currently in school).

> >

> > He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at

> > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of

trying

> > to get compliance) but will happily play on the computer, so

during

> > his daily hour (we are Nazis about time on computer) we try to

> > encourage educational games.

> >

> > He has:

> >

> > Disney's Jungle Book Key stage 1

> > Disney's Jungle Book Key stage 2

> > Disney's Maths Quest with Aladdin

> > Disney's Search for the Secret Keys

> >

> > and has also happily played Rainbow Fish and Rainbow Fish and the

> > Whale....although these aren't technically educational games

they do

> > contain a bit of problem solving and some logic puzzles.

> >

> > I can't seem to find any more of this type of game in the shops

or

> > on Ebay - does anyone have any suggestions for any other

affordable

> > games of a similar ilk?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Zoe

> >

> >

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In a message dated 07/10/2006 13:45:56 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@... writes:

However, they do say in some situations you need to employ other non-RDI tactics first!

>>Does RDI use motivators? Reinforcers? Reasons for the kid to want to do things?

I didn't go on the last course because I am not prepared to sign up to goodness knows assessment in the USA at vast expense BEFORE I fnd out what its about in the first place

Will sedn the other next week

Mandi x

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Wow Mandy - how did you get him to master the mouse. loves PC

but won't do the mouse thing. Was it just positive reinforcement?

Like Zoe's son our biggest challenge is co-operation still and Steve

did set me a target A6 for the proper use of reinforcers. This might

be a way to open that gateway....

Anyhow nice stories for you this morning.

We were all sitting on the sofa but Jack our eldest was acting the

maggot and eventually Dad told him to leave if he couldn't behave, so

Jack stormed out of the room. turned to Dad and gave him an

indignant shove and followed his brother upstairs and sat beside him

in sympathy. EMPATHY Yippee.

Jack has also purcheased a glowing ghost recently, put it

infront of his face and did a whoooa ghostly sound. IMAGINATION

Yippee.

Tried to read to the other day and he wasn't having it. I asked

what do you want? " Mummy go downstairs shut door " was the reply.

COMMUNICATION Yippee (I think).

These little things give me more optimism. By age 2 had

regressed and changed, he is 5 now and displaying a lot of

characteristics I thought he would struggle with for longer. I think

biomed is playing its part but realise after Growing Minds that

behavioural/educational techniques are required also. The school is

good but you have to recognise it's limitations and try to fill the

gaps.

Anyhow great news about Sam and the puter

>

>

> In a message dated 07/10/2006 08:27:44 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@...

> writes:

>

> He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at

> > > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of

> trying

> > > to get compliance)

>

>

> >>>Zoe please consider Growing Minds next they are over - this was

always my

> problem/fear/experience with Sam - now he is using the computer -

he wouldnt

> even LOOK at it 3 weeks ago

>

> Mandi x

>

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I will have a look at Growing Minds - thanks.

Teaching is the only situation we can't get compliance in. We are

hopeful that RDI will also help with teaching eventually.....you

just have to keep going with RDI, but I prefer it because it is the

only intervention I have found (apart from biomed) that seems to

have the potential to remediate autism deficits.

However, they do say in some situations you need to employ other non-

RDI tactics first!

Zoe

>

>

> In a message dated 07/10/2006 08:27:44 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@...

> writes:

>

> He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at

> > > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of

> trying

> > > to get compliance)

>

>

> >>>Zoe please consider Growing Minds next they are over - this

was always my

> problem/fear/experience with Sam - now he is using the computer -

he wouldnt

> even LOOK at it 3 weeks ago

>

> Mandi x

>

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I will have a look at Growing Minds - thanks

The good thing about them is that they keep themselves very up to date about all the various approaches to treating autism. They also agree with biomed and dietary interventions.

If you are struggling at the table - why not post a question on the forum. Alternatively, the way we started working with them was to send an hour long video accross/ plus lots of written reports, assessments and set up a phone consultation. We only then decided that they could help us. We are due to visit for the third time in June 07.

Jane

Re: OT Educational games for Aspies

I will have a look at Growing Minds - thanks.Teaching is the only situation we can't get compliance in. We are hopeful that RDI will also help with teaching eventually.....you just have to keep going with RDI, but I prefer it because it is the only intervention I have found (apart from biomed) that seems to have the potential to remediate autism deficits.However, they do say in some situations you need to employ other non-RDI tactics first!Zoe>> > In a message dated 07/10/2006 08:27:44 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@... > writes:> > He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at> > > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of > trying> > > to get compliance) > > > >>>Zoe please consider Growing Minds next they are over - this was always my > problem/fear/experience with Sam - now he is using the computer - he wouldnt > even LOOK at it 3 weeks ago > > Mandi x>

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In a message dated 07/10/2006 17:16:52 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@... writes:

No RDI doesn't use motivators or reinforcers - the idea is that you teach the child to (re)learn how to want to interact for the sake of interacting (sharing emotion with another person) not for object reward.

>>>Can I make an observation?

People to go 'work' for wages (rewards) they want to know how many weeks holiday they will get (breaks) and if they are luck they 'work somehwere where they like the people and enjoy their company (sharing emotions) And when I finish 'work' I want to spend my time doing things that please me on my opwn terms - computer for one

If somebody told me I had to go to work and I'd get nothing in return that meant anythign to me and when I'd finished I would have strict limits on my leisure time (computer) , I wouldn' want to have anythign to do with this 'work' thing..............

Now you and me do charitable work - we don;t get paid, but when you campaign (work) for SEN swimming lessons - you are working for something YOU want (reward) even if you want it on behalf of somebody else. Me too - AND I want the social sidetoo - I wouldn't do it as a one man band - I need to be part of a team, in fact (as you know lol) I play up something chronic if I don' have that social connection with the rest of he team - so I have lots of rewards built in to what I do.

Philip is a smart kid and it looks like you need to get over this hump - maybe look at makiing a deal - Pyramid style?

Good luck

Mandi x

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Zoe,

I know you use a very different approach, but would you consider using the computer as a reinforcer. Say five mins at the table is worth 2 mins on the computer .......maybe work it into a token system.

Jane

Re: OT Educational games for Aspies

I will have a look at Growing Minds - thanks.Teaching is the only situation we can't get compliance in. We are hopeful that RDI will also help with teaching eventually.....you just have to keep going with RDI, but I prefer it because it is the only intervention I have found (apart from biomed) that seems to have the potential to remediate autism deficits.However, they do say in some situations you need to employ other non-RDI tactics first!Zoe>> > In a message dated 07/10/2006 08:27:44 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@... > writes:> > He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at> > > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the stress of > trying> > > to get compliance) > > > >>>Zoe please consider Growing Minds next they are over - this was always my > problem/fear/experience with Sam - now he is using the computer - he wouldnt > even LOOK at it 3 weeks ago > > Mandi x>

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No RDI doesn't use motivators or reinforcers - the idea is that you

teach the child to (re)learn how to want to interact for the sake of

interacting (sharing emotion with another person) not for object

reward.

Will be interested to see what Growing Minds has to offer though as

well. Impressed with Sam learning mouse skills!

Zoe

>

>

> In a message dated 07/10/2006 13:45:56 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@...

> writes:

>

> However, they do say in some situations you need to employ other

non-

> RDI tactics first!

>

>

>

> >>Does RDI use motivators? Reinforcers? Reasons for the kid to

want to do

> things?

>

> I didn't go on the last course because I am not prepared to sign

up to

> goodness knows assessment in the USA at vast expense BEFORE I fnd

out what its

> about in the first place

>

> Will sedn the other next week

>

> Mandi x

>

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Hi Jane

We have already tried that.

Zoe

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 07/10/2006 08:27:44 GMT Daylight Time,

zoe@

> > writes:

> >

> > He hates doing 'work' or 'homework' (and hence our efforts at

> > > > homeschooling have collapsed as we can't stand the

stress of

> > trying

> > > > to get compliance)

> >

> >

> > >>>Zoe please consider Growing Minds next they are over -

this

> was always my

> > problem/fear/experience with Sam - now he is using the

computer -

> he wouldnt

> > even LOOK at it 3 weeks ago

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

>

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sometimes kids need a more eclectic approach

I agree totally Caroline. I think a lot of parents get totally hung up on one approach and to be honest - there is good in most of the treatments available for children with asd. You just need to use what works for your child at that time and be prepared to change if it doesn't. I think that so long as you are consistent and give them plenty of good quality one to one - they will move forward.

Jane

Re: Re: OT Educational games for Aspies

Hi Zoey

I have just sent a few games to Mandi to copy for Sam, if you want to have them next no problem, she can send them on to you.

One game uses at school is Starspell which she loves. I can find out the other ones. A reward system would work great too I bet.

Its really hard to deviate from a path you have chosen for your child but sometimes kids need a more eclectic approach. I have done so much training in so many systems I am happy to have a chat with you about this off line and help if I can. Please contact me off list if it might be useful. I'll come visit if I can help in any way....

Lotsa Luv Caroline

XXX

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Using the computer as a reinforcer for doing schoolwork does not

work for us......tried it (it was the first and most obvious path

that we took), got us nowhere.

To be honest, we are not bothered in the least that Philip isn't

doing school work at the moment. We have decided that we want to

use our time now to support him to learn about relationships and how

much fun they can be.

We are all enjoying the removal of the pressure that came with home-

schooling (I know it's not like that for everybody and lots of

families enjoy it, but it has been hellish for us). He can catch up

on his formal academic education anytime. Our thinking is that if

he doesn't have the relationship skills to use his academic

education (which he sure as hell doesn't at the moment) then there

is little point in the education, as he would never be able to use

what he learns because he can't function in any social setting

without enormous scaffolding and support (which you would never get

in a workplace or any other social setting).

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions but we are not fighting

the home-schooling battle any more!

Zoe

>

>

> In a message dated 07/10/2006 17:16:52 GMT Daylight Time, zoe@...

> writes:

>

> No RDI doesn't use motivators or reinforcers - the idea is that

you

> teach the child to (re)learn how to want to interact for the sake

of

> interacting (sharing emotion with another person) not for object

> reward.

>

>

>

> >>>Can I make an observation?

>

> People to go 'work' for wages (rewards) they want to know how many

weeks

> holiday they will get (breaks) and if they are luck they 'work

somehwere where

> they like the people and enjoy their company (sharing emotions)

And when I

> finish 'work' I want to spend my time doing things that please me

on my opwn

> terms - computer for one

>

> If somebody told me I had to go to work and I'd get nothing in

return that

> meant anythign to me and when I'd finished I would have strict

limits on my

> leisure time (computer) , I wouldn' want to have anythign to do

with this 'work'

> thing..............

>

> Now you and me do charitable work - we don;t get paid, but when

you campaign

> (work) for SEN swimming lessons - you are working for something

YOU want

> (reward) even if you want it on behalf of somebody else. Me too -

AND I want the

> social sidetoo - I wouldn't do it as a one man band - I need to be

part of a

> team, in fact (as you know lol) I play up something chronic if I

don' have

> that social connection with the rest of he team - so I have lots

of rewards

> built in to what I do.

>

> Philip is a smart kid and it looks like you need to get over this

hump -

> maybe look at makiing a deal - Pyramid style?

>

> Good luck

>

> Mandi x

>

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In a message dated 07/10/2006 10:45:01 GMT Daylight Time, claire_downey@... writes:

Wow Mandy - how did you get him to master the mouse. loves PC but won't do the mouse thing. Was it just positive reinforcement?

>>I showed him what could be done, said Sammy do it - he was highly motivated by the action song I went to, he tried real hard and asked for help (Makaton) so I did hand over hand. When it finished I closed it down and said Sammy do it - he did.

Since then he is using the up and down arrows n the sidebar, finding his way back to that first one even though I deleted the link and can do click and drag on another programme - one lot of hand over hand and he was away - he clicks a lot of time and sometimes moves it back where it was with the extra click but then sorts it ot himself. We have my turn your turn on the computer now and he has stopped sneaking up on me and clicking th emouse while I am typing and disappearing my emails - Wow thats a relief, hard not to give that old negative reinforcement when you lose it all at the end of mail

Hope things are goign well with

Mandi x