Re: hyperactivity and numbers

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Hi Sara

Its quite an OCD type of behaviour isnt it. In my humble ABA experience it sounds like a good reinforcer and if he does want this I would say harnass it in a good way and also you control access to it. I know from my PECS experience that they had a child who asked for all the time they coped with it by extending his language and allowing access for shorter periods all the time. he was comfortable with that. Its like a kind of security blanket for your child. he knows this and is comfortable with it.Its all about making it more appropriate. As i have gotten older and wiser I guess my opinions have changed kind of about what I think about autism and about .In the begining whilst doing a full time ABA programme I would probably have thot what you are saying, take it away it makes himmore autistic. However I now respect more and would say who am I to decide what she enjoys. But can you shape that and make it more appropraite a better learning experience. To have such a strong reinforcer is wonderful,its just how you use it.

Sorry for going on, just a few thoughts.

Luv Caroline

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In a message dated 06/07/2006 16:04:29 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

>>>Its a tricky one, we had some VB therapists come and they wanted to use video. BUt if Sam couldn't control that video he was no longer reinforced by it, which was what I thought would happen.

Then they wanted to give him sweets, he did things, then they went home and he was crazy hyper man and totally unmanageable for days unable to learn anything

Then they wanted to take him back 5 years on PECS because they didn;t understand PECs and were of the school that PEC's stops speech (which it doesn't).

THEN.............I said he loves rough and tumble............so they use both of them to swing him (one each end) and voila - he is happy to do table work for that.....................then they (25 year olds and fit) go home and leave crickedy old me with a bad back no help and he is asking for the same thing ALL the time LOLOLOL - arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry I witter again, my first thought is to make the numbers the centre of some learning goal but I fear that like Sam he might loose interest if they don't totally belong to him - but its worth a try. Its better than sweets!!

Mandi x

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In a message dated 06/07/2006 16:04:29 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

>>>Its a tricky one, we had some VB therapists come and they wanted to use video. BUt if Sam couldn't control that video he was no longer reinforced by it, which was what I thought would happen.

Then they wanted to give him sweets, he did things, then they went home and he was crazy hyper man and totally unmanageable for days unable to learn anything

Then they wanted to take him back 5 years on PECS because they didn;t understand PECs and were of the school that PEC's stops speech (which it doesn't).

THEN.............I said he loves rough and tumble............so they use both of them to swing him (one each end) and voila - he is happy to do table work for that.....................then they (25 year olds and fit) go home and leave crickedy old me with a bad back no help and he is asking for the same thing ALL the time LOLOLOL - arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry I witter again, my first thought is to make the numbers the centre of some learning goal but I fear that like Sam he might loose interest if they don't totally belong to him - but its worth a try. Its better than sweets!!

Mandi x

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Hi Sara,

I don't have personal experience with this, but have heard a lot of parents with ASD kids, probably more on the Asperger's side say that they deal with this.

Sometimes it is numbers, sometimes letters, but it is an Aspergerian trait to get stuck on details like this, like they can't see the forest for the trees kind of thing.

IMHO, keeping him away from these things makes sense, to me, at least.

hyperactivity and numbers

My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it, it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know what I’m talking about?

Sara x

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Sara

I agree with Caroline in that it probably is a type of OCD. I have read somewhere that numbers are included in some of the most common compulsions.

In one of the books I am reading by Donna - The Jumbled Jigsaw - she says OCD can be caused by neurotransmitter imbalances and recommends the following treatment - 1000mg taurine. Also treating gut/immune disorders might reduce the degree of OCD. Obviously I would check this out with when you next speak to her!

Nic

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hyperactivity and numbers

My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it, it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know what I’m talking about?

Sara x

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Sara

I agree with Caroline in that it probably is a type of OCD. I have read somewhere that numbers are included in some of the most common compulsions.

In one of the books I am reading by Donna - The Jumbled Jigsaw - she says OCD can be caused by neurotransmitter imbalances and recommends the following treatment - 1000mg taurine. Also treating gut/immune disorders might reduce the degree of OCD. Obviously I would check this out with when you next speak to her!

Nic

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hyperactivity and numbers

My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it, it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know what I’m talking about?

Sara x

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As a therapist I would think carefully about using a reinforcer that

a child was particularly obsessed with. Yes of course they will do

anything for it BUT it can cause difficulties when they have to come

away from it if you see what I mean. Also he might not want to work

for anything else and you may find other reinforcers completely lose

their value!

I appreciate what some have said about why should we limit what

children enjoy. However, in your case I do think this is less about

what Tom actually enjoys and more about an obsession/compulsion,

which can almost be like an addiction. An extreme example is that

heroin addicts " enjoy " heroin and yet there addiction to it in most

cases completely ruins their lives (not to mention their health). A

less extreme example is an OCD sufferer who may line things up in a

particular way because they say it gives them a sense of inner peace

but yet the compulsion to carry out this behaviour ends up

disrupting their day to day lives.

The difficult thing is that for a child learning numbers often is a

key part of their education so although I feel introducing numbers

might not be a good idea, your son does need to learn how to control

his obsession. The only idea I have is that maybe you could

introduce a calm time and when Tom has got used to this maybe start

introducing the numbers into the calm time? I definitely think you

need to discuss this with your provider though, because my gut

instinct is that introducing numbers into your therapy time right

now may be counter productive.

Sorry it's a bit rambley!

Best wishes

Lucy.

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As a therapist I would think carefully about using a reinforcer that

a child was particularly obsessed with. Yes of course they will do

anything for it BUT it can cause difficulties when they have to come

away from it if you see what I mean. Also he might not want to work

for anything else and you may find other reinforcers completely lose

their value!

I appreciate what some have said about why should we limit what

children enjoy. However, in your case I do think this is less about

what Tom actually enjoys and more about an obsession/compulsion,

which can almost be like an addiction. An extreme example is that

heroin addicts " enjoy " heroin and yet there addiction to it in most

cases completely ruins their lives (not to mention their health). A

less extreme example is an OCD sufferer who may line things up in a

particular way because they say it gives them a sense of inner peace

but yet the compulsion to carry out this behaviour ends up

disrupting their day to day lives.

The difficult thing is that for a child learning numbers often is a

key part of their education so although I feel introducing numbers

might not be a good idea, your son does need to learn how to control

his obsession. The only idea I have is that maybe you could

introduce a calm time and when Tom has got used to this maybe start

introducing the numbers into the calm time? I definitely think you

need to discuss this with your provider though, because my gut

instinct is that introducing numbers into your therapy time right

now may be counter productive.

Sorry it's a bit rambley!

Best wishes

Lucy.

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Thanks so much everyone

for taking the time to write about that.  If I had my way I would banish

numbers from the face of the Earth because they make him into a child I don’t

know.

He’s definitely not asperger’s – much more

serious than that, I’m afraid.

I’ll DEFINITELY ask about the taurine,

Nic because I think he really is imbalanced in some way.

Thanks a lot.

Sara  

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hyperactivity and numbers

Sara

I agree with Caroline in that it

probably is a type of OCD. I have read somewhere that numbers are included in

some of the most common compulsions.

In one of the books I am reading by

Donna - The Jumbled Jigsaw - she says OCD can be caused by

neurotransmitter imbalances and recommends the following treatment

- 1000mg taurine. Also treating gut/immune disorders might reduce the

degree of OCD. Obviously I would check this out with when you next speak

to her!

Nic

x

hyperactivity and numbers

My son Tom is

obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the more obsessive he becomes.

When he’s denied all access to them he goes off them and his interests broaden.

The more he has them, the narrower his world becomes and the less other things

he likes.

There are two

things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed

from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage

speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although

he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

The other

thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a behaviour issue, the

more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes some puzzles etc more than

others) the more hyper he becomes when he gets them. If he watches his

favourite Maisy video with numbers in it, it is just like watching him take

drugs – speed or something like that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally

unreachable and jumps up and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical

has been released or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical.

Does anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know what

I’m talking about?

Sara x

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Hi Sara,

Just a thought - could you try pairing numbers with other reinforcing things. We are currently trying to broaden reinforcing things for my son. So we ,might give him his favourite food (carrots) along with a certain book. Once he is manding for the book we start to fade out the carrots. It is working well here.

Alternatively - could you get some control of the numbers by having them on a visual schedule. He could still access numbers (but only at certain times of the day. You could make sure that these were at times when it would not interfere with therapy.

Jane

hyperactivity and numbers

My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them). Anyone have any experience of this?

The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it, it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know what I’m talking about?

Sara x

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Sara.

This is exactly what happens with my 16 year old son, except it is all

about video's with him. They are all he has and all he wants in the

world , almost to the exclusion of food.

Miles.

Sass and Rem wrote:

>

> My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the

> more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes

> off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower

> his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

>

> There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we

> recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give

> numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just

> gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them).

> Anyone have any experience of this?

>

> The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a

> behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes

> some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he

> gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it,

> it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like

> that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up

> and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released

> or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does

> anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know

> what I’m talking about?

>

> Sara x

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Sara.

This is exactly what happens with my 16 year old son, except it is all

about video's with him. They are all he has and all he wants in the

world , almost to the exclusion of food.

Miles.

Sass and Rem wrote:

>

> My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the

> more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes

> off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower

> his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

>

> There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we

> recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give

> numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just

> gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them).

> Anyone have any experience of this?

>

> The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a

> behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes

> some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he

> gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it,

> it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like

> that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up

> and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released

> or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does

> anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know

> what I’m talking about?

>

> Sara x

>

>

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Thanks again everyone,

I think you are completely right Lucy. I think with him it is a personality

destroyer and I will go with my own instincts (and against my consultant's)

to not allow him to have them. I think allowing them in moderation is like

allowing an addict to have a bit of their drug.

I was hoping there was a well-known biomedical cause and I will ask Jean

about Nic's advice.

, what happens to your son when there are no videos around for a few

days or more? In Tom's case, he turns into a happier, healthier boy without

his numbers.

Sara

Re: hyperactivity and numbers

Sara.

This is exactly what happens with my 16 year old son, except it is all

about video's with him. They are all he has and all he wants in the

world , almost to the exclusion of food.

Miles.

Sass and Rem wrote:

>

> My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the

> more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes

> off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower

> his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

>

> There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we

> recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give

> numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just

> gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them).

> Anyone have any experience of this?

>

> The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a

> behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes

> some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he

> gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it,

> it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like

> that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up

> and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released

> or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does

> anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know

> what I’m talking about?

>

> Sara x

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Hi Sara.

If Ralph doesn't have a video to watch he would stim continuously and

become agitated/stressed ( so would we! ).

We try to strike a balance between him watching his fav video and

becoming more autistic/hyper and watching other videos/tv (

tennis/football ) that he will tolerate. In other words, we manage his

video input 24/7 just like you do with numbers.

We also have tried to use videos as a re-inforcer, but it always goes

wrong ( usually after ABA/VB consultants have left!! )

.

Sass and Rem wrote:

> Thanks again everyone,

> I think you are completely right Lucy. I think with him it is a personality

> destroyer and I will go with my own instincts (and against my consultant's)

> to not allow him to have them. I think allowing them in moderation is like

> allowing an addict to have a bit of their drug.

> I was hoping there was a well-known biomedical cause and I will ask Jean

> about Nic's advice.

> , what happens to your son when there are no videos around for a few

> days or more? In Tom's case, he turns into a happier, healthier boy without

> his numbers.

> Sara

>

> Re: hyperactivity and numbers

>

> Sara.

>

> This is exactly what happens with my 16 year old son, except it is all

> about video's with him. They are all he has and all he wants in the

> world , almost to the exclusion of food.

>

> Miles.

>

> Sass and Rem wrote:

>

>> My son Tom is obsessive about numbers and the more he has them the

>> more obsessive he becomes. When he’s denied all access to them he goes

>> off them and his interests broaden. The more he has them, the narrower

>> his world becomes and the less other things he likes.

>>

>> There are two things I wanted to ask everyone about this really: – we

>> recently changed from ABA to VB and our consultant wants us to give

>> numbers to Tom to encourage speech but we’ve tried it and Tom just

>> gets more and more autistic (although he’ll do anything to get them).

>> Anyone have any experience of this?

>>

>> The other thing is I think this is a biomedical issue more than a

>> behaviour issue, the more Tom likes the particular numbers (he likes

>> some puzzles etc more than others) the more hyper he becomes when he

>> gets them. If he watches his favourite Maisy video with numbers in it,

>> it is just like watching him take drugs – speed or something like

>> that. He is totally hyper afterwards, totally unreachable and jumps up

>> and down humming loudly. It is just like a chemical has been released

>> or there is nothing inhibiting the release of this chemical. Does

>> anyone else’s child react like this to anything and does anyone know

>> what I’m talking about?

>>

>> Sara x

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Hi ,

If Ralph doesn't have a video to watch he would stim continuously and

become agitated/stressed ( so would we! ).

THIS IS VERY FAMILIAR - TOM WATCHES SO MUCH TELE TO STOP HIM DOING

OTHER STUFF!!!

We try to strike a balance between him watching his fav video and

becoming more autistic/hyper and watching other videos/tv (

tennis/football ) that he will tolerate. In other words, we manage his

video input 24/7 just like you do with numbers.

HARD ISN'T IT?

Thanks, Sara x

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