Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Again, finding an application is not the problem. Collating the data in a useable form is the problem and I can put it in an excel file and send to everyone on the list. It won't be that big. What data do you want in it? Regards Re: Group management I belive google has free on line data base programs. There are others but have to pay for. Some of the better ones are about $200 a month. Just a test do a search for brain then brainfog then brain fog. This gives you some idea of the work that it is going to take. >> I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would take time.> You know when someone creates a search like google they don't actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords list and file all the refs to that keyword.> So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, and applications. > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> PPT's are not text. > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Not as easy if you search for PRA. > > > > > > > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website. > > > > > > > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > > take time. > > > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > > list and file all the refs to that keyword. > > > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read. > > > > > > > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > > and applications. > > > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg. > > > > PPT's are not text. > > > > > > > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 To all: we are beginning to build the data base data collection. Thoughts and comments needed. JW/Bill I am going to send you something from file maker. It follows the way I do data collection on a new patient. I see two goals of the detailed questionnaire.1. To collect the information we need to try to make sense of what is causing the person's problem. 2. To educate the person about HTN and how to control it.3. Point our items they need to discuss with their Dr. We may have worked on before (I think). But I now may have more time to work on it.Many areas will have items they can choose. In FMP these can be set up as drop downs. I can import from excel or export to excelYOu can download a free 30 day trial of FMPro so you can read it I think. Also a cheaper version is a DB called Bento. I don't know its power compared to FMP. One advantage with FMP is that I can set fields so only I can see them if folks don't want others to see the data. We can also set it so they can only see their own data. We can also allow all to view certain fields but not change them. For example: Education level1. Less than high school2. High school3. Some college4. Degree if yes choose degree BS, MS etc then choose field. This gives me an idea on how to talk to the patient the rest of the interview and in the future And sets the stage for which educational approaches I think about and use.BEGIN DATADate: 100309To the member completing the form:The goal of collecting this information is to get as much detailed medically relevant information as we can about your history of high blood pressure. Only then will be best equipped to assess the best way(s) to control your BP This history will give us possible clues to the cause(s) of your high blood pressure also called hypertension (HTN). It will alert us to the need for further testing to elucidate the cause(s) of your HTN. SALT: You might be one of the many who can lower their BP to safer, healthier levels by simply changing how you eat-especially by lowering the amount of salt you consume. If lowering your salt intake lowers your BP you are called salt sensitive (SS). The beauty of being SS is that you can lower your BP within 2 weeks by lowering your salt (NaCl) intake. DASH: You might be one who can lower your BP to healthier levels by using the mulipronged, best proven, eating plan called the Dietary Approaches to Stopping Hypertension (DASH) diet. The beauty of being DASH sensitive (DS) is that you can reduce you blood pressure to normal in 15 days by following the DASH eating plan. WEIGHT: You might be one of the many who can lower their BP to healthier levels by losing weight. We call these folks weight sensitive (WS). Most of this effect will be seen with the loss of only 10 pounds. ALCOHOL: You might be one of those who can lower their BP by deceasing your alcohol consumption. We call these folks alcohol sensitive (AS). STRESS: You might be one who can lower your BP by reducing your stress. We call these folks stress sensitive (STS). EXERCISE: You might be one who can lower your BP by increasing your exercise. We call these folks exercise sensitive (ETS). MORE than ONE of these. In some more than one of the items above may help your BP. You are unique in the world. Only you and your health care team can find out which of one(s) of these will get your BP to goal. When these methods fail they you will and your health care team need to discuss which medication(s) should be used to get you to goal. Some will require medications that attack the specific problem(s) that are causing You can download and print out a copy of this form to take to your health care team so you can get better control your BP. Please give us the year you were born: ____. We know that blood pressure goes up with age in societies that eat too much salt. The causes of high blood pressure differ in different age groups. Different medications work better in the young than in the old. Gender ___. Women tend to have lower BP than men till menopause. Ethnicity (race)_____ different ethnic groups tend to have different BP problems. For example those descended from the African Diaspora tend to be more SS and respond better to drugs called diuretics. Those of Chinese descent tend to metabolize beta blockers (BB) slower. As we learn more about human genetics we will be better able to think about what is causing your high blood pressure and what are the best life style changes/drugs we need to get your BP to goal. Where were you born: List Where were you raised: List + text How far in school did you go (years)? What is your degree in? This enables me to be sure I don’t talk up or down to you. What are the last 3 jobs you had: 1, for X years 2 for X years, 3 for X years This may tell me how to relate your What are your hobbies? Three choices from list Living situation: living alone (single), married live together, divorced, living with another person. How many in household now: XX Who cooks at your house? Do you currently follow a specific diet? No yes list types. If you cook how many do you cook for? When was the last time you bought a box of salt? How old were you when you were first noted to have HTN? Age How was your HTN picked up? I was in emergency room for XXXAt a routine check upI was pregnantI went to the Dr for the symptom(s) listed below. On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:16 PM, jwwright wrote:Again, finding an application is not the problem.Collating the data in a useable form is the problem and I can put it in an excel file and send to everyone on the list.It won't be that big. What data do you want in it? Regards Re: Group management I belive google has free on line data base programs. There are others but have to pay for. Some of the better ones are about $200 a month. Just a test do a search for brain then brainfog then brain fog. This gives you some idea of the work that it is going to take. >> I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would take time.> You know when someone creates a search like google they don't actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords list and file all the refs to that keyword.> So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, and applications. > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> PPT's are not text. > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Have you looked at Bento?On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:29 PM, jwwright wrote:If I was going to do it, I'd put it in FMP because of ease of learning, simple design, flexibility of import and export of comma separated text files or tab separated text files. I have FMP 6 got on ebay. You don't need adobe to do pdf's.Openoffice does it too. Nice if you want to add figures. Regards Re: Re: Group management but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.CE Grim MDOn Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Have you looked at Bento?On Mar 9, 2010, at 12:29 PM, jwwright wrote:If I was going to do it, I'd put it in FMP because of ease of learning, simple design, flexibility of import and export of comma separated text files or tab separated text files. I have FMP 6 got on ebay. You don't need adobe to do pdf's.Openoffice does it too. Nice if you want to add figures. Regards Re: Re: Group management but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.CE Grim MDOn Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I suspect we will have 500+ data items on each person. Too much cut and pasteOn Mar 9, 2010, at 12:32 PM, jwwright wrote:I assume you mean import/export not copy/paste.Format the data and import sections.Very easy in FMP because you cannot lose the file - it's being built as you import. Keep lotsa copies in case you import 1000 records you didn't want. Regards Re: Group management Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. > > >> > > There is no easy way to search the file's contents, without downloading each file, may be the problem.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>__________ NOD32 4893 (20100224) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Are you looking for input on the questions? > > > > > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website. > > > > > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time. > > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword. > > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read. > > > > > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications. > > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg. > > > PPT's are not text. > > > > > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I think it runs with all. But dont know for sure.FMPro does.CE GrimOn Mar 9, 2010, at 4:54 PM, jwwright wrote:No.Runs in only a MAC?http://www.bentotrial.com/trial/form/entry.aspx?try=bentoPPtry "IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ:Bento requires Mac OS X v10.5.7 Leopard or Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard. Please upgrade before installing the Bento Trial." FMP runs in any system.Does a Bento import FMP files? Regards Re: Re: Group management but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.CE Grim MDOn Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 I think it runs with all. But dont know for sure.FMPro does.CE GrimOn Mar 9, 2010, at 4:54 PM, jwwright wrote:No.Runs in only a MAC?http://www.bentotrial.com/trial/form/entry.aspx?try=bentoPPtry "IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ:Bento requires Mac OS X v10.5.7 Leopard or Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard. Please upgrade before installing the Bento Trial." FMP runs in any system.Does a Bento import FMP files? Regards Re: Re: Group management but I already have FMPro. Which I know very well. Am checking on cost of someone supporting it.CE Grim MDOn Mar 9, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Francis Bill wrote:Since you seen to know something about spreed sheets this may be a good starting place. Can always copy past data from spreed sheet to data base. Almost every one can open PDF files. Abobe has a program thats lets do many things with files. Can down it and try it free for 30 days. it costs about $200. But you may have to buy there FONTS as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Yes. CE Grim MDOn Mar 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Francis Bill wrote:Are you looking for input on the questions? > > >> > > I don't disagree. He should get a grant and build a website.> > >> > > AFA putting stuff into a database I can do that for free. It would > > take time.> > > You know when someone creates a search like google they don't > > actually search everyday like new. Instead they create a keywords > > list and file all the refs to that keyword.> > > So the main thing is to identify the structure of what you want in > > the database, else you end up with a list too large to read.> > >> > > The other main thing is everyone has different computers, links, > > and applications.> > > If I upload a file I must consider what the user will use to read > > it. So if they can't download it, they hafta ask for a text file, eg.> > > PPT's are not text.> > >> > > So how do we get the info to a varied customer, write it so they > > can understand it, keep it up to date without a download/upload each > > time, secure it from change by the unauthorized, allow searches of > > all documents, and put it in a format that Dr Grim can analyze?> > >> > > Regards> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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