Re: Geir - Diet and Enzymes

[Guest guest]

I believe you in your reasoning, still there is no reason to except milk if you don`t exclude gluten or soy...Do you have any feeling by backmails of how many ( percentage) who definitely benefit from Houston enzymes ?

Are there results on peptide assays from ASD children eating " ordinary - milk and gluten " , using Houston enzymes ?Do the Houston enzymes clear urinary peptides, or only lower them ?I am aware they also deal better with phenol stuff !

Geir FlatabøOn 5/31/06, Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 30/05/2006 22:43:06 GMT Daylight Time, geirf@...

writes:

To my knowledge there are no enzymes that can allow you to leave / skip gfcfsf diet for an autist.At best the enzymes might reduce peptide load, but not eliminate it and thererfore neither replace a gfcfsf diet !

>>>We left the diet with Houston enzymes and had our first big wow 4 years ago and have never looked back. We had perfect poops in 10 days flat. Hundreds if not thousands by now have left GFCF+++++++++++ with Houston's and some with other enzymes. We remain low sugar, we don;t do MSG, aspartame or artificals because thats good diet for any kid and enzymes work on foods not chemicals.

Peptides are not the only reason kids do well on GFCF and normal folks have them too.

For me, I see the diet is a bandaid and digestive enyzmes as active healers. When you get down to 4 four foods and still you have problems which so many do with the diet and leaky damaged guts - whatever you give them they will eventually react to - thats the nature of most of the problem in my mind - how can that be healthy and if removing the foods healed the gut why does the food intolerance get worse for many as they go on for years?

There are good reasons to avoid milk regardless of diet status IMHO but don;t let anybody convince you that the diet is the be all and end all for all our kids - it simply is not true.

I've been trying to spread the word about biomed for 7 years. See if you tell a new person the first thing they have to do is the GFCF++++++ diet they can;t see the wood for the trees, them you tell them do it for 6-12 months and don;t worry if it makes no difference at all, you have to do it that long - well - running scared or what?

Give them a pot of 90 capsules, low and slow dosing and tell them to give it 4 weeks - they will either no one way or the other if these things will help - you have em - and with the sucess rate of enzymes higher than the diet anyways, the chances of them seeing gains and seeing them quicker and improving their child quicker are all there.

When they see that happen, that quick in front of their own eyes, then, you have em hooked which means diet added in or whatever, that kid is going to get better which was my sole purpose for trying to help in the first place

I say this not because I sell Houston enzymes, I sell Houston enzymes because I am honoured to do so, after what they did for my son and so many others

Off my soap box

Mandi x

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

If you join treatingautism.com you get an excellent book in your intro

pack on enzymes and autism (do you still have copies Mandi?). I believe

there is a list, not sure of the address but should be easy to

find through search, there should be files with information

on that in their files section - I think several people on this list are

members..

Natasa

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 31/05/2006 10:43:44 GMT Daylight Time,

> > peta3366@ writes:

> >

> > In the last 2 DAN conferences I have watched on line the drs

> > advocate the both diet and the enzymes together.

> >

> > >>>Of course they do - who is gonna buy diet books if everybody

> just starst

> > with enzymes and they work for that child, sorry if I appear

> cycnical but

> > when you've been around as long as me and have seen it all play out

> you see of

> > different picture

> >

> > When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay in

> DAN! -

> > Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

> expert at DAN!

> > actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

> >

> > Parents ignoring all the fluff and just getting on with things and

> then

> > voting on the ARI site and telling their DAN!'s is what changed

> their stance

> >

> > One of the drs in

> > the Long Beach one said that the diet is the main things to try.

And

> > Karyn Serrousi saved her son with the diet ( I know he was very

> > young).

> >

> > >>>With the SCD diet in the end and she no longer does

> > either......................

> >

> > Even with the enzymes working well, as they have done for

> > alot of people, don't you think that the gluten or casein will be

> > having an effect on our kids. You can't give them enzymes every

time

> > the eat something.

> >

> >

> > >>>Why not - we did, if they graze you put the enzyme in a cold

> drink and

> > give them a sip or two each time they have something. Good for 4

> hours this

> > way if you store iun the fridge in the meantime. Caps are easy to

> unscrew and

> > put back toegther anyways.

> >

> > Imagine your child was 13, bigger than you and you had to start the

> > GFCF+++++ diet - how easy do you think that would be - opening

> enzymes is waaay

> > easier beleive me especially as I was hopeless at cooking GFCF

> anways, you should

> > have seen my Barabras rolls - like a quatermass expeiement gone

> wrong, oh

> > happy days!!

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> Dear Mandi

> I'm a newbie to this list and I am very interested in what you have to

> say vis a vis enzymes!!!! My daughter is 4 and doing well on ABA but

> we began to feel that more was needed and began to read about GFCF and

> DAN amonst many other things. Where can I read more about these

> enzymes and also where can I get hold of some? i hope you don't mind

> me asking but this whole scene is rather daunting its a whole new

> language for a start.I can also soooo relate to cooking nightmares as

> I dread the thought of instigating GFCF my cooking is terrible

already.

> Ems (mum to Sophie 4)

>

[Guest guest]

If you join treatingautism.com you get an excellent book in your intro

pack on enzymes and autism (do you still have copies Mandi?). I believe

there is a list, not sure of the address but should be easy to

find through search, there should be files with information

on that in their files section - I think several people on this list are

members..

Natasa

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 31/05/2006 10:43:44 GMT Daylight Time,

> > peta3366@ writes:

> >

> > In the last 2 DAN conferences I have watched on line the drs

> > advocate the both diet and the enzymes together.

> >

> > >>>Of course they do - who is gonna buy diet books if everybody

> just starst

> > with enzymes and they work for that child, sorry if I appear

> cycnical but

> > when you've been around as long as me and have seen it all play out

> you see of

> > different picture

> >

> > When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay in

> DAN! -

> > Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

> expert at DAN!

> > actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

> >

> > Parents ignoring all the fluff and just getting on with things and

> then

> > voting on the ARI site and telling their DAN!'s is what changed

> their stance

> >

> > One of the drs in

> > the Long Beach one said that the diet is the main things to try.

And

> > Karyn Serrousi saved her son with the diet ( I know he was very

> > young).

> >

> > >>>With the SCD diet in the end and she no longer does

> > either......................

> >

> > Even with the enzymes working well, as they have done for

> > alot of people, don't you think that the gluten or casein will be

> > having an effect on our kids. You can't give them enzymes every

time

> > the eat something.

> >

> >

> > >>>Why not - we did, if they graze you put the enzyme in a cold

> drink and

> > give them a sip or two each time they have something. Good for 4

> hours this

> > way if you store iun the fridge in the meantime. Caps are easy to

> unscrew and

> > put back toegther anyways.

> >

> > Imagine your child was 13, bigger than you and you had to start the

> > GFCF+++++ diet - how easy do you think that would be - opening

> enzymes is waaay

> > easier beleive me especially as I was hopeless at cooking GFCF

> anways, you should

> > have seen my Barabras rolls - like a quatermass expeiement gone

> wrong, oh

> > happy days!!

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> Dear Mandi

> I'm a newbie to this list and I am very interested in what you have to

> say vis a vis enzymes!!!! My daughter is 4 and doing well on ABA but

> we began to feel that more was needed and began to read about GFCF and

> DAN amonst many other things. Where can I read more about these

> enzymes and also where can I get hold of some? i hope you don't mind

> me asking but this whole scene is rather daunting its a whole new

> language for a start.I can also soooo relate to cooking nightmares as

> I dread the thought of instigating GFCF my cooking is terrible

already.

> Ems (mum to Sophie 4)

>

[Guest guest]

If you join treatingautism.com you get an excellent book in your intro

pack on enzymes and autism (do you still have copies Mandi?). I believe

there is a list, not sure of the address but should be easy to

find through search, there should be files with information

on that in their files section - I think several people on this list are

members..

Natasa

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 31/05/2006 10:43:44 GMT Daylight Time,

> > peta3366@ writes:

> >

> > In the last 2 DAN conferences I have watched on line the drs

> > advocate the both diet and the enzymes together.

> >

> > >>>Of course they do - who is gonna buy diet books if everybody

> just starst

> > with enzymes and they work for that child, sorry if I appear

> cycnical but

> > when you've been around as long as me and have seen it all play out

> you see of

> > different picture

> >

> > When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay in

> DAN! -

> > Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

> expert at DAN!

> > actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

> >

> > Parents ignoring all the fluff and just getting on with things and

> then

> > voting on the ARI site and telling their DAN!'s is what changed

> their stance

> >

> > One of the drs in

> > the Long Beach one said that the diet is the main things to try.

And

> > Karyn Serrousi saved her son with the diet ( I know he was very

> > young).

> >

> > >>>With the SCD diet in the end and she no longer does

> > either......................

> >

> > Even with the enzymes working well, as they have done for

> > alot of people, don't you think that the gluten or casein will be

> > having an effect on our kids. You can't give them enzymes every

time

> > the eat something.

> >

> >

> > >>>Why not - we did, if they graze you put the enzyme in a cold

> drink and

> > give them a sip or two each time they have something. Good for 4

> hours this

> > way if you store iun the fridge in the meantime. Caps are easy to

> unscrew and

> > put back toegther anyways.

> >

> > Imagine your child was 13, bigger than you and you had to start the

> > GFCF+++++ diet - how easy do you think that would be - opening

> enzymes is waaay

> > easier beleive me especially as I was hopeless at cooking GFCF

> anways, you should

> > have seen my Barabras rolls - like a quatermass expeiement gone

> wrong, oh

> > happy days!!

> >

> > Mandi x

> >

> Dear Mandi

> I'm a newbie to this list and I am very interested in what you have to

> say vis a vis enzymes!!!! My daughter is 4 and doing well on ABA but

> we began to feel that more was needed and began to read about GFCF and

> DAN amonst many other things. Where can I read more about these

> enzymes and also where can I get hold of some? i hope you don't mind

> me asking but this whole scene is rather daunting its a whole new

> language for a start.I can also soooo relate to cooking nightmares as

> I dread the thought of instigating GFCF my cooking is terrible

already.

> Ems (mum to Sophie 4)

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 31/05/2006 19:16:22 GMT Daylight Time,

> floastie@... writes:

>

> I'm a newbie to this list and I am very interested in what you have to

> say vis a vis enzymes!!!! My daughter is 4 and doing well on ABA but

> we began to feel that more was needed and began to read about GFCF and

> DAN amonst many other things. Where can I read more about these

> enzymes and also where can I get hold of some? i hope you don't mind

> me asking but this whole scene is rather daunting its a whole new

> language for a start.I can also soooo relate to cooking nightmares as

> I dread the thought of instigating GFCF my cooking is terrible already.

>

>

>

> >>>>Your best bet is to join Treating Autism and get de

Felices book

> free as part of your pack - this is a wonderful book, easy reading

and so

> straight forward. (heaps of other good stuff in the membership pack

too)

>

> Houstons have two distribitors in the UK, one in Scotland (no

website have

> to ring and me at MandiMart.com - we do website or postal orders.

>

> enzymestuff.com is de Felices site where she has heaps of info

and

> references.

>

> If you don't know where to start at all - look at the AFP Peptizyde

orginal

> - thats the one going after the G & C and other protiens that could be

causing

> issues like soya.

>

> I beleive you should still consider some dietary modifcation even with

> enzymes, especially with a young child coz its much easier then than

later when

> they are older.

>

> The basics would include keeping to low sugar, avoiding MSG,

Aspartame, red

> and yellow colours in particular, thats for all your children, not

just the

> affected one.

>

> At 4 years old you may be able to do away with milk quite easily -

at least

> as a drink and because the changes from Casein removal are usally

seen within

> 10 days often sooner you could consider trying that, we had great

gains from

> just removing milk as we worked our way up to the CF part (this was

back in

> the pre HNI days).

>

> If you aren't doing so already try to keep a food and behaviour

diary each

> day - just a few notes and you may be able to pinpoint certain foods

or groups

> of foods that are an issue for your child. Common ones in addition

to C & G

> are orange juice, tomatoes, citrus and chocolate but you should be

losing that

> last one anyways for sugar reasons although phenols and Lead

contamination

> issues and the ARI feedback showing removing choclate in particular

bringing

> gains for many children.

>

> Don't worry about specifics or you'll give yourself brain ache - try

and

> grasp the overview

>

> 1. Our kids often have damaged guts - maybe through heavy metals,

MMR or

> viral issues

>

> 2. Damanged/leaky guts don;t absorb nutrients from fods in the way

they

> should

>

> 3. There are more reasons than peptides (improperly broken down food

> protiens that can cross the wall of the leaky gut and cause

behaviours - think

> sieve) like additives to the milk and sulphur

>

> 4. Food removals relieve the stress on the gut, enzymes digest the

food

> properly to relieve the stress

>

> 5 Plant based digestive enzymes start working on contact - in the

stomach,

> properly releasing those nutrients which help to repair the gut,

feed the child

> and breaking down the peptides using a broad range of protease

enzymes and

> DPPIV (discovered by Devin Houston CEO of HNI).

>

> You need the other proteases to get the food to a place where the

DPPIV can

> actually strut its stuff so although some companies sell it

seperately its not

> going to help without the other stuff in there.

>

> I am the membership secretary for Treating Autism - I have have your

parcel

> out first class tomorrow if you are keen

>

> Keep asking questions, I am hopeless at explaining things

>

> Mandi in Dorset

>

Dear Mandi thanks for your reply I think that you explain it very well

!!! You're right about the brain ache though have been reading some of

De Felice's stuff and wishing that I'd paid more attention in

Chemistry at school.Will def join Treating Autism. Ta for your help.

I'll let you know how we get on

best wishes

ems

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 31/05/2006 19:16:22 GMT Daylight Time,

> floastie@... writes:

>

> I'm a newbie to this list and I am very interested in what you have to

> say vis a vis enzymes!!!! My daughter is 4 and doing well on ABA but

> we began to feel that more was needed and began to read about GFCF and

> DAN amonst many other things. Where can I read more about these

> enzymes and also where can I get hold of some? i hope you don't mind

> me asking but this whole scene is rather daunting its a whole new

> language for a start.I can also soooo relate to cooking nightmares as

> I dread the thought of instigating GFCF my cooking is terrible already.

>

>

>

> >>>>Your best bet is to join Treating Autism and get de

Felices book

> free as part of your pack - this is a wonderful book, easy reading

and so

> straight forward. (heaps of other good stuff in the membership pack

too)

>

> Houstons have two distribitors in the UK, one in Scotland (no

website have

> to ring and me at MandiMart.com - we do website or postal orders.

>

> enzymestuff.com is de Felices site where she has heaps of info

and

> references.

>

> If you don't know where to start at all - look at the AFP Peptizyde

orginal

> - thats the one going after the G & C and other protiens that could be

causing

> issues like soya.

>

> I beleive you should still consider some dietary modifcation even with

> enzymes, especially with a young child coz its much easier then than

later when

> they are older.

>

> The basics would include keeping to low sugar, avoiding MSG,

Aspartame, red

> and yellow colours in particular, thats for all your children, not

just the

> affected one.

>

> At 4 years old you may be able to do away with milk quite easily -

at least

> as a drink and because the changes from Casein removal are usally

seen within

> 10 days often sooner you could consider trying that, we had great

gains from

> just removing milk as we worked our way up to the CF part (this was

back in

> the pre HNI days).

>

> If you aren't doing so already try to keep a food and behaviour

diary each

> day - just a few notes and you may be able to pinpoint certain foods

or groups

> of foods that are an issue for your child. Common ones in addition

to C & G

> are orange juice, tomatoes, citrus and chocolate but you should be

losing that

> last one anyways for sugar reasons although phenols and Lead

contamination

> issues and the ARI feedback showing removing choclate in particular

bringing

> gains for many children.

>

> Don't worry about specifics or you'll give yourself brain ache - try

and

> grasp the overview

>

> 1. Our kids often have damaged guts - maybe through heavy metals,

MMR or

> viral issues

>

> 2. Damanged/leaky guts don;t absorb nutrients from fods in the way

they

> should

>

> 3. There are more reasons than peptides (improperly broken down food

> protiens that can cross the wall of the leaky gut and cause

behaviours - think

> sieve) like additives to the milk and sulphur

>

> 4. Food removals relieve the stress on the gut, enzymes digest the

food

> properly to relieve the stress

>

> 5 Plant based digestive enzymes start working on contact - in the

stomach,

> properly releasing those nutrients which help to repair the gut,

feed the child

> and breaking down the peptides using a broad range of protease

enzymes and

> DPPIV (discovered by Devin Houston CEO of HNI).

>

> You need the other proteases to get the food to a place where the

DPPIV can

> actually strut its stuff so although some companies sell it

seperately its not

> going to help without the other stuff in there.

>

> I am the membership secretary for Treating Autism - I have have your

parcel

> out first class tomorrow if you are keen

>

> Keep asking questions, I am hopeless at explaining things

>

> Mandi in Dorset

>

Dear Mandi thanks for your reply I think that you explain it very well

!!! You're right about the brain ache though have been reading some of

De Felice's stuff and wishing that I'd paid more attention in

Chemistry at school.Will def join Treating Autism. Ta for your help.

I'll let you know how we get on

best wishes

ems

[Guest guest]

>

>

> In a message dated 31/05/2006 19:16:22 GMT Daylight Time,

> floastie@... writes:

>

> I'm a newbie to this list and I am very interested in what you have to

> say vis a vis enzymes!!!! My daughter is 4 and doing well on ABA but

> we began to feel that more was needed and began to read about GFCF and

> DAN amonst many other things. Where can I read more about these

> enzymes and also where can I get hold of some? i hope you don't mind

> me asking but this whole scene is rather daunting its a whole new

> language for a start.I can also soooo relate to cooking nightmares as

> I dread the thought of instigating GFCF my cooking is terrible already.

>

>

>

> >>>>Your best bet is to join Treating Autism and get de

Felices book

> free as part of your pack - this is a wonderful book, easy reading

and so

> straight forward. (heaps of other good stuff in the membership pack

too)

>

> Houstons have two distribitors in the UK, one in Scotland (no

website have

> to ring and me at MandiMart.com - we do website or postal orders.

>

> enzymestuff.com is de Felices site where she has heaps of info

and

> references.

>

> If you don't know where to start at all - look at the AFP Peptizyde

orginal

> - thats the one going after the G & C and other protiens that could be

causing

> issues like soya.

>

> I beleive you should still consider some dietary modifcation even with

> enzymes, especially with a young child coz its much easier then than

later when

> they are older.

>

> The basics would include keeping to low sugar, avoiding MSG,

Aspartame, red

> and yellow colours in particular, thats for all your children, not

just the

> affected one.

>

> At 4 years old you may be able to do away with milk quite easily -

at least

> as a drink and because the changes from Casein removal are usally

seen within

> 10 days often sooner you could consider trying that, we had great

gains from

> just removing milk as we worked our way up to the CF part (this was

back in

> the pre HNI days).

>

> If you aren't doing so already try to keep a food and behaviour

diary each

> day - just a few notes and you may be able to pinpoint certain foods

or groups

> of foods that are an issue for your child. Common ones in addition

to C & G

> are orange juice, tomatoes, citrus and chocolate but you should be

losing that

> last one anyways for sugar reasons although phenols and Lead

contamination

> issues and the ARI feedback showing removing choclate in particular

bringing

> gains for many children.

>

> Don't worry about specifics or you'll give yourself brain ache - try

and

> grasp the overview

>

> 1. Our kids often have damaged guts - maybe through heavy metals,

MMR or

> viral issues

>

> 2. Damanged/leaky guts don;t absorb nutrients from fods in the way

they

> should

>

> 3. There are more reasons than peptides (improperly broken down food

> protiens that can cross the wall of the leaky gut and cause

behaviours - think

> sieve) like additives to the milk and sulphur

>

> 4. Food removals relieve the stress on the gut, enzymes digest the

food

> properly to relieve the stress

>

> 5 Plant based digestive enzymes start working on contact - in the

stomach,

> properly releasing those nutrients which help to repair the gut,

feed the child

> and breaking down the peptides using a broad range of protease

enzymes and

> DPPIV (discovered by Devin Houston CEO of HNI).

>

> You need the other proteases to get the food to a place where the

DPPIV can

> actually strut its stuff so although some companies sell it

seperately its not

> going to help without the other stuff in there.

>

> I am the membership secretary for Treating Autism - I have have your

parcel

> out first class tomorrow if you are keen

>

> Keep asking questions, I am hopeless at explaining things

>

> Mandi in Dorset

>

Dear Mandi thanks for your reply I think that you explain it very well

!!! You're right about the brain ache though have been reading some of

De Felice's stuff and wishing that I'd paid more attention in

Chemistry at school.Will def join Treating Autism. Ta for your help.

I'll let you know how we get on

best wishes

ems

[Guest guest]

My son definitely benefited big time from

the Houston enzymes – we had previously been doing Kirkman’s

enzymes with much much much less effect. We still do the diet as well though.

Sara

Re:

Geir - Diet and Enzymes

I

believe you in your reasoning,

still there is no reason to except milk if you don`t exclude gluten or soy...

Do you have any feeling by backmails of how many ( percentage) who definitely

benefit from Houston enzymes ?

Are there results on peptide assays from ASD children eating " ordinary -

milk and gluten " , using Houston enzymes ?

Do the Houston enzymes clear urinary peptides, or only lower them ?

I am aware they also deal better with phenol stuff !

Geir Flatabø

On 5/31/06, Mum231ASD@...

<Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 30/05/2006 22:43:06 GMT Daylight Time, geirf@... writes:

To my

knowledge there are no enzymes that can allow you to leave / skip gfcfsf diet

for an autist.

At best the enzymes might reduce peptide load,

but not eliminate it and thererfore neither replace a gfcfsf diet !

>>>We left the diet with Houston enzymes and had our

first big wow 4 years ago and have never looked back. We had perfect poops in

10 days flat. Hundreds if not thousands by now have left GFCF+++++++++++ with

Houston's and some with other enzymes. We remain low sugar, we don;t do MSG,

aspartame or artificals because thats good diet for any kid and enzymes work on

foods not chemicals.

Peptides are not the only reason kids do well on GFCF and normal

folks have them too.

For me, I see the diet is a bandaid and digestive enyzmes as

active healers. When you get down to 4 four foods and still you have problems

which so many do with the diet and leaky damaged guts - whatever you give them

they will eventually react to - thats the nature of most of the problem in my

mind - how can that be healthy and if removing the foods healed the gut why

does the food intolerance get worse for many as they go on for years?

There are good reasons to avoid milk regardless of diet status

IMHO but don;t let anybody convince you that the diet is the be all

and end all for all our kids - it simply is not true.

I've been trying to spread the word about biomed for 7 years.

See if you tell a new person the first thing they have to do is the GFCF++++++

diet they can;t see the wood for the trees, them you tell them do it for 6-12

months and don;t worry if it makes no difference at all, you have to do it that

long - well - running scared or what?

Give them a pot of 90 capsules, low and slow dosing and tell

them to give it 4 weeks - they will either no one way or the other if these

things will help - you have em - and with the sucess rate of enzymes

higher than the diet anyways, the chances of them seeing gains and seeing them

quicker and improving their child quicker are all there.

When they see that happen, that quick in front of their own

eyes, then, you have em hooked which means diet added in or whatever, that kid

is going to get better which was my sole purpose for trying to help in the

first place

I say this not because I sell Houston enzymes, I sell Houston

enzymes because I am honoured to do so, after what they did for my son and so

many others

Off my soap box

Mandi x

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be

construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

My son definitely benefited big time from

the Houston enzymes – we had previously been doing Kirkman’s

enzymes with much much much less effect. We still do the diet as well though.

Sara

Re:

Geir - Diet and Enzymes

I

believe you in your reasoning,

still there is no reason to except milk if you don`t exclude gluten or soy...

Do you have any feeling by backmails of how many ( percentage) who definitely

benefit from Houston enzymes ?

Are there results on peptide assays from ASD children eating " ordinary -

milk and gluten " , using Houston enzymes ?

Do the Houston enzymes clear urinary peptides, or only lower them ?

I am aware they also deal better with phenol stuff !

Geir Flatabø

On 5/31/06, Mum231ASD@...

<Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 30/05/2006 22:43:06 GMT Daylight Time, geirf@... writes:

To my

knowledge there are no enzymes that can allow you to leave / skip gfcfsf diet

for an autist.

At best the enzymes might reduce peptide load,

but not eliminate it and thererfore neither replace a gfcfsf diet !

>>>We left the diet with Houston enzymes and had our

first big wow 4 years ago and have never looked back. We had perfect poops in

10 days flat. Hundreds if not thousands by now have left GFCF+++++++++++ with

Houston's and some with other enzymes. We remain low sugar, we don;t do MSG,

aspartame or artificals because thats good diet for any kid and enzymes work on

foods not chemicals.

Peptides are not the only reason kids do well on GFCF and normal

folks have them too.

For me, I see the diet is a bandaid and digestive enyzmes as

active healers. When you get down to 4 four foods and still you have problems

which so many do with the diet and leaky damaged guts - whatever you give them

they will eventually react to - thats the nature of most of the problem in my

mind - how can that be healthy and if removing the foods healed the gut why

does the food intolerance get worse for many as they go on for years?

There are good reasons to avoid milk regardless of diet status

IMHO but don;t let anybody convince you that the diet is the be all

and end all for all our kids - it simply is not true.

I've been trying to spread the word about biomed for 7 years.

See if you tell a new person the first thing they have to do is the GFCF++++++

diet they can;t see the wood for the trees, them you tell them do it for 6-12

months and don;t worry if it makes no difference at all, you have to do it that

long - well - running scared or what?

Give them a pot of 90 capsules, low and slow dosing and tell

them to give it 4 weeks - they will either no one way or the other if these

things will help - you have em - and with the sucess rate of enzymes

higher than the diet anyways, the chances of them seeing gains and seeing them

quicker and improving their child quicker are all there.

When they see that happen, that quick in front of their own

eyes, then, you have em hooked which means diet added in or whatever, that kid

is going to get better which was my sole purpose for trying to help in the

first place

I say this not because I sell Houston enzymes, I sell Houston

enzymes because I am honoured to do so, after what they did for my son and so

many others

Off my soap box

Mandi x

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be

construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

My son definitely benefited big time from

the Houston enzymes – we had previously been doing Kirkman’s

enzymes with much much much less effect. We still do the diet as well though.

Sara

Re:

Geir - Diet and Enzymes

I

believe you in your reasoning,

still there is no reason to except milk if you don`t exclude gluten or soy...

Do you have any feeling by backmails of how many ( percentage) who definitely

benefit from Houston enzymes ?

Are there results on peptide assays from ASD children eating " ordinary -

milk and gluten " , using Houston enzymes ?

Do the Houston enzymes clear urinary peptides, or only lower them ?

I am aware they also deal better with phenol stuff !

Geir Flatabø

On 5/31/06, Mum231ASD@...

<Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 30/05/2006 22:43:06 GMT Daylight Time, geirf@... writes:

To my

knowledge there are no enzymes that can allow you to leave / skip gfcfsf diet

for an autist.

At best the enzymes might reduce peptide load,

but not eliminate it and thererfore neither replace a gfcfsf diet !

>>>We left the diet with Houston enzymes and had our

first big wow 4 years ago and have never looked back. We had perfect poops in

10 days flat. Hundreds if not thousands by now have left GFCF+++++++++++ with

Houston's and some with other enzymes. We remain low sugar, we don;t do MSG,

aspartame or artificals because thats good diet for any kid and enzymes work on

foods not chemicals.

Peptides are not the only reason kids do well on GFCF and normal

folks have them too.

For me, I see the diet is a bandaid and digestive enyzmes as

active healers. When you get down to 4 four foods and still you have problems

which so many do with the diet and leaky damaged guts - whatever you give them

they will eventually react to - thats the nature of most of the problem in my

mind - how can that be healthy and if removing the foods healed the gut why

does the food intolerance get worse for many as they go on for years?

There are good reasons to avoid milk regardless of diet status

IMHO but don;t let anybody convince you that the diet is the be all

and end all for all our kids - it simply is not true.

I've been trying to spread the word about biomed for 7 years.

See if you tell a new person the first thing they have to do is the GFCF++++++

diet they can;t see the wood for the trees, them you tell them do it for 6-12

months and don;t worry if it makes no difference at all, you have to do it that

long - well - running scared or what?

Give them a pot of 90 capsules, low and slow dosing and tell

them to give it 4 weeks - they will either no one way or the other if these

things will help - you have em - and with the sucess rate of enzymes

higher than the diet anyways, the chances of them seeing gains and seeing them

quicker and improving their child quicker are all there.

When they see that happen, that quick in front of their own

eyes, then, you have em hooked which means diet added in or whatever, that kid

is going to get better which was my sole purpose for trying to help in the

first place

I say this not because I sell Houston enzymes, I sell Houston

enzymes because I am honoured to do so, after what they did for my son and so

many others

Off my soap box

Mandi x

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be

construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

I think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost

impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the

Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used

to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the

idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly

disappeared.

No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this.

GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people

once believed.

As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference

between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in

Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to

think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that

I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw

milk.

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist

of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought

they were mad ;-)

Anita

>

> When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay

in DAN! -

> Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

expert at DAN!

> actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost

impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the

Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used

to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the

idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly

disappeared.

No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this.

GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people

once believed.

As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference

between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in

Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to

think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that

I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw

milk.

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist

of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought

they were mad ;-)

Anita

>

> When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay

in DAN! -

> Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

expert at DAN!

> actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost

impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the

Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used

to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the

idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly

disappeared.

No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this.

GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people

once believed.

As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference

between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in

Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to

think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that

I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw

milk.

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist

of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought

they were mad ;-)

Anita

>

> When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay

in DAN! -

> Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

expert at DAN!

> actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

>

[Guest guest]

On 6/1/06, Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 31/05/2006 21:30:49 GMT Daylight Time, geirf@... writes:

Are there results on peptide assays from ASD children eating " ordinary - milk and gluten " , using Houston enzymes ?

>>>No idea - go by the child not the test. If normal people can have peptides in their urine what does this prove? If you have none at all your body can manufacture them in the same way it can with cholesterol.

The problem with peptides in urine, is that they are - coming from your blood - not making trouble only for ASD kids, they are also implicated in MS, ALS, prychiatric diseses etc. So having +/- large amouts of urinary peptides to me is definitely a risk not only for ASD symptoms, but for virtually lots of other autoimmune and neuropsychiatric , and neurodegenerative disorders.

Whether Houston enzymes clear the urine for peptides or not is therefore to me essential, because the risk assessment - not only observable symptoms day to day - is essential as well.

Geir Flatabø

DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

On 6/1/06, Mum231ASD@... <Mum231ASD@...> wrote:

In a message dated 31/05/2006 21:30:49 GMT Daylight Time, geirf@... writes:

Are there results on peptide assays from ASD children eating " ordinary - milk and gluten " , using Houston enzymes ?

>>>No idea - go by the child not the test. If normal people can have peptides in their urine what does this prove? If you have none at all your body can manufacture them in the same way it can with cholesterol.

The problem with peptides in urine, is that they are - coming from your blood - not making trouble only for ASD kids, they are also implicated in MS, ALS, prychiatric diseses etc. So having +/- large amouts of urinary peptides to me is definitely a risk not only for ASD symptoms, but for virtually lots of other autoimmune and neuropsychiatric , and neurodegenerative disorders.

Whether Houston enzymes clear the urine for peptides or not is therefore to me essential, because the risk assessment - not only observable symptoms day to day - is essential as well.

Geir Flatabø

DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/06/2006 15:35:18 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?

>>>Ah let me see, your kid could get markedly better and that might be tricky to cope with LOL or its possible to be intolerant of the actual enzyme just like it is with any supp - can;t think of anything esle - enzymes have been used for 80 years back there are studies - nothing we do in biomed has such a well researched history................

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/06/2006 15:35:18 GMT Daylight Time, Moroza-@... writes:

So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?

>>>Ah let me see, your kid could get markedly better and that might be tricky to cope with LOL or its possible to be intolerant of the actual enzyme just like it is with any supp - can;t think of anything esle - enzymes have been used for 80 years back there are studies - nothing we do in biomed has such a well researched history................

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/06/2006 18:51:09 GMT Daylight Time, mysuperteach@... writes:

Also on the topic of the peptides, I read not too long ago on another board Devin commenting about the proof that the enzymes worked for replacing GFCF. I assumed he was talking about some sort of testing, not just what we see in our kids. Know anything about that Mandi?

>>>Nope but I will ask him - my proof is int he non GFCF pudding LOL

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01/06/2006 18:51:09 GMT Daylight Time, mysuperteach@... writes:

Also on the topic of the peptides, I read not too long ago on another board Devin commenting about the proof that the enzymes worked for replacing GFCF. I assumed he was talking about some sort of testing, not just what we see in our kids. Know anything about that Mandi?

>>>Nope but I will ask him - my proof is int he non GFCF pudding LOL

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?

Re: Geir - Diet and Enzymes

I think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost

impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the

Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used

to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the

idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly

disappeared.

No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this.

GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people

once believed.

As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference

between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in

Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to

think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that

I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw

milk.

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist

of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought

they were mad ;-)

Anita

>

> When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay

in DAN! -

> Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

expert at DAN!

> actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

>

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

[Guest guest]

So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?

Re: Geir - Diet and Enzymes

I think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost

impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the

Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used

to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the

idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly

disappeared.

No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this.

GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people

once believed.

As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference

between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in

Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to

think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that

I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw

milk.

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist

of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought

they were mad ;-)

Anita

>

> When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay

in DAN! -

> Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme

expert at DAN!

> actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous.

>

DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

[Guest guest]

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought they were mad ;-)ROFL -

Jane

RE: Re: Geir - Diet and Enzymes

So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?-----Original Message-----From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of AnitaKugelstadtSent: 01 June 2006 00:04Autism Treatment Subject: Re: Geir - Diet and EnzymesI think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly disappeared.No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this. GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people once believed. As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw milk.If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought they were mad ;-)Anita> > When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay in DAN! - > Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme expert at DAN! > actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous. >DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualifiedpractitioner.

[Guest guest]

If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought they were mad ;-)ROFL -

Jane

RE: Re: Geir - Diet and Enzymes

So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?-----Original Message-----From: Autism Treatment [mailto:Autism Treatment ] On Behalf Of AnitaKugelstadtSent: 01 June 2006 00:04Autism Treatment Subject: Re: Geir - Diet and EnzymesI think it's important to note that it is now very difficult (almost impossible) to find the Pangborn comments on how dangerous the Houston enzymes might be for our kids. Also, places like ANDI used to have blanket statements on their site warning parents against the idea the enzymes could replace diet. Those warnings have quietly disappeared.No one likes to admit they're wrong. DAN! was wrong about this. GFCF does seem to work for some kids but it isn't the answer people once believed. As for milk, my personal opinion is that there's big difference between pasteurized milk we get in the store and raw milk. Here in Canada it is illegal to even give raw milk away, but I happen to think that the research shows enough health benefits from it that I'm trying to buy a part of a cow so I can get my hands on the raw milk.If someone would have told me that at age 42 my goals would consist of formed poops and owning a part of a cow, I would have thought they were mad ;-)Anita> > When Houston came out with Pep and HN Zyme there was hell to pay in DAN! - > Jon Pangbourne who stands up and presents himself as an enzyme expert at DAN! > actually put up web pages saying they were dnagerous. >DISCLAIMERNo information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualifiedpractitioner.

[Guest guest]

>

> So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?

>

>

Mandi has already answered this best, but I should have

said " alleged " dangers of the enzymes. When I first started down

this path, it was very easy to find the stuff against enzymes on the

internet. I read 's book but I had read previously the dire

warnings and the ugly in-fighting, and chose to go with GFCF rather

than the enzymes. My mistake.

Also on the topic of the peptides, I read not too long ago on

another board Devin commenting about the proof that the enzymes

worked for replacing GFCF. I assumed he was talking about some sort

of testing, not just what we see in our kids. Know anything about

that Mandi?

Anita

[Guest guest]

>

> So what are the dangers of Houston enzymes?

>

>

Mandi has already answered this best, but I should have

said " alleged " dangers of the enzymes. When I first started down

this path, it was very easy to find the stuff against enzymes on the

internet. I read 's book but I had read previously the dire

warnings and the ugly in-fighting, and chose to go with GFCF rather

than the enzymes. My mistake.

Also on the topic of the peptides, I read not too long ago on

another board Devin commenting about the proof that the enzymes

worked for replacing GFCF. I assumed he was talking about some sort

of testing, not just what we see in our kids. Know anything about

that Mandi?

Anita