Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Hi Barry, Welcome..I'm glad you've found our group! I have a 9yr old son,autistic,epilepsy and at times has been self injurous..hitting himself with a closed fist on the side of his head(temporal area)he's had some swelling/bruising.I've tried many meds due to his lack of impulse control and aggression..he also had tendencies to bite,especially pinch(to the point of bruising)and scratch (I still have scars) and destructive,turning over furniture,tv's etc.He had pretty bad gastric reflux which caused him to have projectile vomiting but is now under control with Prilosec and slight change of diet.It sounds like you have a lot on your plate so by all means feel free to ask questions,vent,etc.This is a really supportive group and you'd be surprised how many others share the same challenges.What state do you live in? I'm in southern california. Stacey From: gem5860 <GEM5860@...> Date: Fri Jun 30 23:31:40 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Hello, I am new member of group Hello everyone, I am new member and Dad of ten year old autistic boy with severe behavior problems. He pinches and scratches us, especially my wife and sometimes kicks us. He also has self injury behavior such as head banging against walls and the floor. He punches his face with his fists, specifically his nose, cheeks and forehead and chin. He wears a special helmet sometimes and has worn elbow splints in the past to prevent him from hitting his face. He has stomach inflammation and also has a feeding tube in his stomach with a Nissan fundoplication which is surgery to prevent him from vomiting which he had chronically before his G (gastonomy)tube surgery. He has other issues as well but now I am out of breath discussing him, so again this is just an introduction and chance to say hello. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Hello, Barry, welcome. I am the grandmother of a 13 year old autistic boy. I have worked with him daily for 11 years. He is bigger than I am and sometimes has aggression, biting and pinching. Karac has functional speech. Is your son verbal? Karac doesn't have SIB, but some on this list do. I think you'll find us empathic even when we don't have answers. Pat K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Hi Barry, I just thought about this.My son tends to hit himself when he is mad/agitated etc.Does your son do this when he feels that way? Also ,my son will grab my hand,arm and press his chin into it or want me to apply pressure to his chin,top of his head,sides of his face/cheeks .He needs this type of deep pressure from time to time not just when he's upset.It satisfies that " sensory " need for proprioceptive input and helps regulate him.I was just wondering if your son has sensory issues and perhaps this may contribute to some of the " behaviors " because he's seeking some type of relief. Just a thought..I relate to what you mean about the pinching,hitting,self injurous behavior because my son does that as well,just started this past year and I know he does that aggressive things when he's upset,frustrated etc. but other times when he needs me to apply pressure to parts of his body/face he's not upset he just needs me to do this or sometimes he'll seek out other ways to satisfy this need using pillows or biting down on a book(yeah a book)which if you think about it ..it's hard it gives resistance and so a lot of his books are " chewed " up.Anyways,just thought I'd ask. Stacey From: gem5860 <GEM5860@...> Date: Fri Jun 30 23:31:40 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Hello, I am new member of group Hello everyone, I am new member and Dad of ten year old autistic boy with severe behavior problems. He pinches and scratches us, especially my wife and sometimes kicks us. He also has self injury behavior such as head banging against walls and the floor. He punches his face with his fists, specifically his nose, cheeks and forehead and chin. He wears a special helmet sometimes and has worn elbow splints in the past to prevent him from hitting his face. He has stomach inflammation and also has a feeding tube in his stomach with a Nissan fundoplication which is surgery to prevent him from vomiting which he had chronically before his G (gastonomy)tube surgery. He has other issues as well but now I am out of breath discussing him, so again this is just an introduction and chance to say hello. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Barry, Have you considered bio-medical treatment for your son? From the medical concerns you mention, I would seek out a DAN (defeat autism now)doctor for a complete assessment. Many children with autism have severe digestive and immunity problems that create great stress for them. I am a psychologist who specializes in treating behavior challenges with children on the spectrum. It sounds like your son's nervous system is very anxious and disorganized. The nervous system of these children are very fragile and often weakened by sensory issues, digestive problems, and co-exiting psychiatric conditions. The first step in treatment should be to stablize the child's nervous system so he can feel calm and organized. Than he can take advantage of whatever treatment that you provide him. Bill > > Hello everyone, > > I am new member and Dad of ten year old autistic boy with severe > behavior problems. He pinches and scratches us, especially my wife and > sometimes kicks us. He also has self injury behavior such as head > banging against walls and the floor. He punches his face with his > fists, specifically his nose, cheeks and forehead and chin. He wears a > special helmet sometimes and has worn elbow splints in the past to > prevent him from hitting his face. He has stomach inflammation and also > has a feeding tube in his stomach with a Nissan fundoplication which is > surgery to prevent him from vomiting which he had chronically before > his G (gastonomy)tube surgery. He has other issues as well but now I am > out of breath discussing him, so again this is just an introduction and > chance to say hello. > > Barry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hi Barry and welcome to you and your family.It sounds like your son would benefit from a sensory diet. He may be underprocessing and does not realize that he is pinching hitting biting hard. Also the fact that he is biting tells me he needs some deep compression in the jaw area and is trying to get it by biting, and would also benefit from joint compresssion, lifting heavy objects, etc. My son is 15, used to do all of those things and has benefitted from sensory integration techniques. Deep compression and joint compression tends to be very calming for the child. I start with joint compression on all his fingers, working my way down his arms with every joint, I have even done his legs, feet toes and chest. Another good exercise would be JUMPING ...jumping provides deep compression for the legs and trunk areas. My son 's favorite was compression on the top of his head...affecting his vertabrae also.I urge you to check out sensory processing websites such as www.sensoryprocessing.com and www.spdnetwork,org. Also a very good book is "The OUt of Sync Child" by Carol Stock Kranowitz Peace and HOPE! Lindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hi Barry and welcome to you and your family.It sounds like your son would benefit from a sensory diet. He may be underprocessing and does not realize that he is pinching hitting biting hard. Also the fact that he is biting tells me he needs some deep compression in the jaw area and is trying to get it by biting, and would also benefit from joint compresssion, lifting heavy objects, etc. My son is 15, used to do all of those things and has benefitted from sensory integration techniques. Deep compression and joint compression tends to be very calming for the child. I start with joint compression on all his fingers, working my way down his arms with every joint, I have even done his legs, feet toes and chest. Another good exercise would be JUMPING ...jumping provides deep compression for the legs and trunk areas. My son 's favorite was compression on the top of his head...affecting his vertabrae also.I urge you to check out sensory processing websites such as www.sensoryprocessing.com and www.spdnetwork,org. Also a very good book is "The OUt of Sync Child" by Carol Stock Kranowitz Peace and HOPE! Lindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Thanks Bill and hello, The nearest DAN doctor that I am aware of is a four to five hour drive from our home. But I will have my wife ask friends of hers that have children on the autism spectrum about that. I did try vitamin B-6 with magnesium for our son but it appeared to have no effect. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2006 Report Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hi and thank you for the kind welcome. We live in South Florida. Our son sounds quite a lot like your son with self injury behaviors, reflux and vomiting and being destructive to property in our home. is now on Zoloft and Klonopin for behaviors and Zantac for his stomach problems. He also is prescribed Atarax syrup which is an antihistamine that helps calm him down during his rampages and tantrums which he seems to have on a daily basis. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Thank you for the kind welcome Pat. No, is non verbal , but we are trying to work with him using real photos placed on a communicator device which offers him a choice between two items to pick from. He also is learning to use the sign language for 'MORE" to ask for more food but that is about it. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Thank you for the kind welcome Pat. No, is non verbal , but we are trying to work with him using real photos placed on a communicator device which offers him a choice between two items to pick from. He also is learning to use the sign language for 'MORE" to ask for more food but that is about it. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Yes , 's behaviors do worsen when he gets upset or agitated which almost always leads to him hurting himself in some way. But what the cause of the agitation is can sometimes be a mystery. Lately, I just think it is something physical like gas or cramping pains in his belly. He does swallow air too and started this odd behavior a couple of years ago which of course gives him more bloating in his belly. seems to require deep pressure as well. We just got a pressure vest today that I ordered so I will see if that helps with 's need for deep pressure. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2006 Report Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hi Barry, welcome to the group Aprilgem5860 <GEM5860@...> wrote: Hello everyone,I am new member and Dad of ten year old autistic boy with severe behavior problems. He pinches and scratches us, especially my wife and sometimes kicks us. He also has self injury behavior such as head banging against walls and the floor. He punches his face with his fists, specifically his nose, cheeks and forehead and chin. He wears a special helmet sometimes and has worn elbow splints in the past to prevent him from hitting his face. He has stomach inflammation and also has a feeding tube in his stomach with a Nissan fundoplication which is surgery to prevent him from vomiting which he had chronically before his G (gastonomy)tube surgery. He has other issues as well but now I am out of breath discussing him, so again this is just an introduction and chance to say hello. Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 What kind of communicating device does your son have? Pat K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Barry, My son also gets self injurous once he's really agitated and also has " mysterious " triggers for his behavior which is so frustrating.I'm sure you,like me,try to avoid those triggers but when you don't even know what some of them are it's just impossible,my son being limited verbally just compounds the situation too. You said your son swallows air,I was just curious..does he make a " gulping " sound when he does it? My son had been diagnosed with Gastric Reflux and he used to make this gulping sound..like swallowing air .Our kids tend to have very " atypical " sypmtoms when something is ary medically/physically and that just adds to our frustration as parents trying to figure what or where the pain or discomfort is coming from and why.The pressure vest sounds like a good idea ..I hope that works for him. Stacey From: GEM5860@... Date: Mon Jul 03 21:10:56 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group Yes , 's behaviors do worsen when he gets upset or agitated which almost always leads to him hurting himself in some way. But what the cause of the agitation is can sometimes be a mystery. Lately, I just think it is something physical like gas or cramping pains in his belly. He does swallow air too and started this odd behavior a couple of years ago which of course gives him more bloating in his belly. seems to require deep pressure as well. We just got a pressure vest today that I ordered so I will see if that helps with 's need for deep pressure. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Barry, My son also gets self injurous once he's really agitated and also has " mysterious " triggers for his behavior which is so frustrating.I'm sure you,like me,try to avoid those triggers but when you don't even know what some of them are it's just impossible,my son being limited verbally just compounds the situation too. You said your son swallows air,I was just curious..does he make a " gulping " sound when he does it? My son had been diagnosed with Gastric Reflux and he used to make this gulping sound..like swallowing air .Our kids tend to have very " atypical " sypmtoms when something is ary medically/physically and that just adds to our frustration as parents trying to figure what or where the pain or discomfort is coming from and why.The pressure vest sounds like a good idea ..I hope that works for him. Stacey From: GEM5860@... Date: Mon Jul 03 21:10:56 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group Yes , 's behaviors do worsen when he gets upset or agitated which almost always leads to him hurting himself in some way. But what the cause of the agitation is can sometimes be a mystery. Lately, I just think it is something physical like gas or cramping pains in his belly. He does swallow air too and started this odd behavior a couple of years ago which of course gives him more bloating in his belly. seems to require deep pressure as well. We just got a pressure vest today that I ordered so I will see if that helps with 's need for deep pressure. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hi Barry, I didn't read this post first so you'll have 2 responses from me!WOw,yeah our boys sound like they have a whole lot in common. I know people try to understand but unless you live it on a daily ..you have no idea.My son also has these " rages " although they've calmed down since I started him on vitamins(Omega 3,6,9 ,childrens multi-vitamin,and calcium magnesium) I still have him on Buspirone at 10mg.Prior to that we tried Metadate,Abilify,Adderal ER,Seroquel,Risperdal.Risperdal caused weight gain which I believe caused/agrivated the reflux(he'd have projectile vomiting)the others either constipated him or eliminated his desire to eat.My son also has epilepsy (dx'd at age 4)we then tried many meds before we got to the combination we've had for several years which is Klonopin/depakote.When my son would have these " raging " episodes it was so bad that I wished I had a valium to give him ..just so he could calm down.Once he starts theres just no way to redirect him,comfort him,calm him down.So I can understand your need for the Atarax.How does the Zoloft work for him? Is this the first med you've tried for his aggressive behaviors so far? Stacey From: GEM5860@... Date: Mon Jul 03 20:58:56 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group Hi and thank you for the kind welcome. We live in South Florida. Our son sounds quite a lot like your son with self injury behaviors, reflux and vomiting and being destructive to property in our home. is now on Zoloft and Klonopin for behaviors and Zantac for his stomach problems. He also is prescribed Atarax syrup which is an antihistamine that helps calm him down during his rampages and tantrums which he seems to have on a daily basis.  Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hi Barry, I didn't read this post first so you'll have 2 responses from me!WOw,yeah our boys sound like they have a whole lot in common. I know people try to understand but unless you live it on a daily ..you have no idea.My son also has these " rages " although they've calmed down since I started him on vitamins(Omega 3,6,9 ,childrens multi-vitamin,and calcium magnesium) I still have him on Buspirone at 10mg.Prior to that we tried Metadate,Abilify,Adderal ER,Seroquel,Risperdal.Risperdal caused weight gain which I believe caused/agrivated the reflux(he'd have projectile vomiting)the others either constipated him or eliminated his desire to eat.My son also has epilepsy (dx'd at age 4)we then tried many meds before we got to the combination we've had for several years which is Klonopin/depakote.When my son would have these " raging " episodes it was so bad that I wished I had a valium to give him ..just so he could calm down.Once he starts theres just no way to redirect him,comfort him,calm him down.So I can understand your need for the Atarax.How does the Zoloft work for him? Is this the first med you've tried for his aggressive behaviors so far? Stacey From: GEM5860@... Date: Mon Jul 03 20:58:56 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group Hi and thank you for the kind welcome. We live in South Florida. Our son sounds quite a lot like your son with self injury behaviors, reflux and vomiting and being destructive to property in our home. is now on Zoloft and Klonopin for behaviors and Zantac for his stomach problems. He also is prescribed Atarax syrup which is an antihistamine that helps calm him down during his rampages and tantrums which he seems to have on a daily basis.  Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 My 12 year old has had sudden dramatic increase in SIB - hand-biting, hitting his head, leg and chest. In the past most of his SIB was related to stomachahces and constipation. Now, it appears to be related to frustration, not pain. He is off school for a few weeks and is not tolerant of any demands.His hands are a mess and I've decided I need to get this under control. As well, last night I gave him melatonin for the first time and he got a headache. Has anyone had this problem? I could actually see his temples were red and his ears were red. He often gets hot ears when he has pain. Also, I am curious as to success with medications. I tried respiridol and it just made him fat. I still have him on it at night but it does nothing to reduce aggression and SIB. Janet Re: Hello, I am new member of group Hi and thank you for the kind welcome. We live in South Florida. Our son sounds quite a lot like your son with self injury behaviors, reflux and vomiting and being destructive to property in our home. is now on Zoloft and Klonopin for behaviors and Zantac for his stomach problems. He also is prescribed Atarax syrup which is an antihistamine that helps calm him down during his rampages and tantrums which he seems to have on a daily basis. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hi Pat, has what's called a rocking communicator that offers a choice between 2 things. The pads are colored blue and yellow and you can record 2 different massages on it. It is used in his school so we wished to keep the same consistent items to work with at home. You can find it on Enablingdevices.com , I will check to verify web site. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Hi , Yes, it is indeed frustrating. only form of communication is either crying, screaming or hitting himself. He also takes the heel of one of his feet and kicks his other knee. He really kicks and punches himself quite hard. Our home behaviorist bought us punch mitts to block his hitting. Punch mitts are what boxers use to practice with for throwing punches. Matt does gulp when swallowing air, but this only started a couple of years ago. His chronic vomiting and reflux began around his third birthday. The air swallowing may be his way of relieving his stomach discomfort. We just take everything one day at a time here. Thank goodness he is getting extra weeks of summer school and is in a special camp for children with behavior problems. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 , has been on Clonidine, Risperdal, Seroquil, Zyprexa, Ativan, Naltrexone, Prozac, Valium, Depakene, Trileptal, Abilify and many others I don't remember. Risperdal can aggravate seizures in those with a history of it, so it is a good thing your son is not on that still. The Zoloft which is an antidepressant seems to help the most for him. Prozac helped him too but gave him terrible diarrhea. Yes, a lot of these drugs as similar to your son's case, caused constipation which made 's behaviors worsen. Nobody dose understand unless you go thru it day to day. I hope you have the time and energy to find some local support groups in your area to meet folks with the same issues. Please feel free to e mail me with advice or needed support. Also, I was thinking of getting Matt started on Buspar. Any advice on this medicine in relation to how it helps or does not help your son. And also there is no reason why Valium can not be prescribed for your son. It is in the same category as Klonopin being an anti-anxiety medicine. Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Thank you April Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Hi Janet, My son tried Risperdal as well and had the same result..weight gain.No control over aggression and impulsiveness,destructiveness.I have all but given up on meds being able to give some relief.We've also tried Adderal ER,Metadate,Seroquel,Abilify and now we're on Buspirone(buspar)he's on 10mg in the a.m. and I'm also supplementing with vitamins (Omega 3,6,9 a childrens multi-vitamin,and Calcium magnesium)which is the only thing thus far that has helped at least with the explosive rage and SIB I'm looking for a liquid B12 to add. I've seen immediate response with the addition of the vitamins.I know that his aggression is tied to frustration and like Barry was saying ,it's the triggers that you're unaware of that are even worse.I was thinking that there was some physical discomfort perhaps,so I've taken him to a dentist that put him to sleep so they could get xrays,they found nothing other than he needed to do a sealant on a few teeth because there's no enamel(he grinds his teeth)I've tried to rule out any digestive issues,he had an endoscopy last august(he had really bad Reflux) that's under control. I've also had some testing done as far as stool sample(for blood,parasitic growth)and food allergy tests and celiac screen.It's difficult when your child cannot tell you what hurts or bothers them(my son is limited verbally)Oh,and the Melatonin..I've not had that experience with my son getting a headache.Is there any other ingredients in it?Anyway,these are just some of the things we've done so far I hope this was helpful. Stacey From: Janet Shaughnessy <jshaughnessy4@...> Date: Wed Jul 05 14:49:45 CDT 2006 autism Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group My 12 year old has had sudden dramatic increase in SIB - hand-biting, hitting his head, leg and chest. In the past most of his SIB was related to stomachahces and constipation. Now, it appears to be related to frustration, not pain. He is off school for a few weeks and is not tolerant of any demands.His hands are a mess and I've decided I need to get this under control.As well, last night I gave him melatonin for the first time and he got a headache. Has anyone had this problem? I could actually see his temples were red and his ears were red. He often gets hot ears when he has pain.Also, I am curious as to success with medications. I tried respiridol and it just made him fat. I still have him on it at night but it does nothing to reduce aggression and SIB. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: GEM5860@... To: autism Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group Hi and thank you for the kind welcome.  We live in South Florida. Our son sounds quite a lot like your son with self injury behaviors, reflux and vomiting and being destructive to property in our home. is now on Zoloft and Klonopin for behaviors and Zantac for his stomach problems. He also is prescribed Atarax syrup which is an antihistamine that helps calm him down during his rampages and tantrums which he seems to have on a daily basis.  Regards, Barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Janet, Just the fact that your son is off school for a few weeks could be a cause of his behaviors. Our son's behaviors always worsen when his daily routine is changed or interrupted. Matt's behaviors also worsen when he is in physical pain or discomfort. If the Risperdal is not effective, then why not take him off it. This is a heavy duty anti-psychotic drug that is prescribed for schizophrenia. Sometimes I wonder if my son is better off being on no medications at all. Take care, Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Most agitated behavior (self abuse, hitting, kicking, throwing things, head banging, etc.) provides very strong proprioceptive stimulation (resistance to joints and muscles). This tends to release stress chemicals from the nervous system, helping it rebound and organize. For many children, once the stress chemicals accumulate to the point of melt down, they seek out behavior that will help release the stress chemicals. It is very important that children on the spectrum are given frequent up and moving, push/pull, lift/carry, any gross motor activity, throughout the day. This helps to release stress chemicals before they accumulated to boiling point. It is also very important to observe what communicative function the behavior serves. What is the child trying to communicate. Once you understand that, than we need to provide an alternative way to communicate. However, that is easier said than done. Good Luck, Bill > > Barry, > My son also gets self injurous once he's really agitated and also has " mysterious " triggers for his behavior which is so frustrating.I'm sure you,like me,try to avoid those triggers but when you don't even know what some of them are it's just impossible,my son being limited verbally just compounds the situation too. You said your son swallows air,I was just curious..does he make a " gulping " sound when he does it? > > My son had been diagnosed with Gastric Reflux and he used to make this gulping sound..like swallowing air .Our kids tend to have very " atypical " sypmtoms when something is ary medically/physically and that just adds to our frustration as parents trying to figure what or where the pain or discomfort is coming from and why.The pressure vest sounds like a good idea ..I hope that works for him. > > Stacey > > > From: GEM5860@... > Date: Mon Jul 03 21:10:56 CDT 2006 > autism > Subject: Re: Hello, I am new member of group > > > Yes , 's behaviors do worsen when he gets upset or agitated which almost always leads to him hurting himself in some way. But what the cause of the agitation is can sometimes be a mystery. Lately, I just think it is something physical like gas or cramping pains in his belly. He does swallow air too and started this odd behavior a couple of years ago which of course gives him more bloating in his belly. seems to require deep pressure as well. We just got a pressure vest today that I ordered so I will see if that helps with 's need for deep pressure. Regards, Barry > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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