Re: Hi- New to this group

[Guest guest]

Yes, teachers with experience teaching the autistic would be nice. Karac's in the 7th grade and has had only one such teacher. Pat K

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wrote:

pkuenstler@... wrote:

where do you think they should be placed? Pat K

Huh, my reply disappeared in cyberspace. But I said that I think

students with autism should be placed in resource programs or

self-contained classes with teachers experienced in autism. At least,

whenever possible.

R

[Guest guest]

I’m sorry but I have to

disagree. There are many high

functioning children that can be successful in the mainstream with minimal

supports.

Tonya

wrote:

But I said that I think

students with autism should be placed in resource programs or self-contained

classes with teachers experienced in autism. At least, whenever possible.

R

[Guest guest]

Tonya Hettler wrote:

I’m sorry

but I have to

disagree. There are many high

functioning children that can be successful in the mainstream with

minimal

supports.

I included

this in the resource program idea. I see that as supplying the

supports necessary. Besides I was talking about a placement that would

be better than automatically placing students with autism in the same

programs with students with severe behavior disorders.

R

[Guest guest]

I have been trying to get the school to educate all staff who have contact with my son about autism. Because he does not fit their idea of autism they assume that he is just being bad. It is difficult when your child has to interact everyday with people who think if it ain't "rainman" then it ain't autism. My son is in 8th grade and also had only one teacher who was trained about teaching autistic children. always,

Michele

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michele jackson wrote:

I have been trying to get the

school to educate all staff who have contact with my son about autism.

Because he does not fit their idea of autism they assume that he is

just being bad. It is difficult when your child has to interact

everyday with people who think if it ain't "rainman" then it ain't

autism. My son is in 8th grade and also had only one teacher who was

trained about teaching autistic children.

I have been trying forever (well, 3 years) to get my pircipal to let me

do a professional development session on autism for the general

faculty. No luck.

R

[Guest guest]

I would request an IEP to address your concerns. Make sure you have your parent

concerns in writing, making sure to CC: all the proper people and it will go in

his student file and be attached to this particular meeting.

IF they fail to address your request for training, they much provide you with

PWN (Prior written notice).

There is a section on all the iep's i have have for these such thnigs, and I

have specifically listed the training for my two children.

This way, I know even ,my 1-1's are being traning, or have been training in the

areas of my childrens disabiliy.

this is not always easy to do. but it gets easier. Good luck!!!

Have the done a functional behavior assessment yet? (you mentioned they said he

was being bad)?

Tina

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From: michele jackson <oneaudaciouslady@...>

> I have been trying to get the school to educate all staff who have

contact

> with my son about autism. Because he does not fit their idea of autism they

> assume that he is just being bad. It is difficult when your child has to

> interact everyday with people who think if it ain't " rainman " then it ain't

> autism. My son is in 8th grade and also had only one teacher who was trained

> about teaching autistic children.

>

>

> always,

> Michele

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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I have been trying to get the school to educate all staff who have contact with my son about autism. Because he does not fit their idea of autism they assume that he is just being bad. It is difficult when your child has to interact everyday with people who think if it ain't "rainman" then it ain't autism. My son is in 8th grade and also had only one teacher who was trained about teaching autistic children. always,

Michele

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[Guest guest]

he has had many FBA done over the years. My big problem is that many of the staff do not understand why he acts out and they immedialty think that physical restraint of physically moving him is the answer. So I think that the staff need to be trained in autism so they will better understand his behaviors and if they understand the physical touch for him is a major trigger point then maybe they will use alternative methods with him. There is an IEP meeting set for him next month and I hope to get my issues addressed to my satisfaction- the problem with his prior IEP's is that I did not know my rights. always,

Michele

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Michele

I was wondering what state youre in. Im in wisconsin. That is how they

handle my son. As soon as he gets upset they start " manhandling " him

" for safety reasons " but that just sets off a whole ugly reaction for

him. He is very tactile defensive. Its very stressful for everyone. He

is now kept in the ebd room all the time. If they let him out its only

with an aide, they dont even let him out at recess. He sits all day.

Thats not good for any kid, there is no OT, sensory movement or gym.

They tell me this is temporary til he " earns " reg school back by staying

calm. But I feel he is being punished for his disability. Its a whole

ugly issue with the school.

Allie

9year old son dx with aspergers, anxiety, rages, sensory intergration

disorder, rages, nvld, obsessive thoughts

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Allie, I am in Alaska. My son is in 8th grade in a school for SED children. They really don't have any thing in place for a child with autism. My son also gets "manhandled" for not immediatley complying with staffs demands. (They do not understand that he needs time to move from one activity to another- and sometimes he just is too focused on what he is doing now to move on) This in turn starts a whole big episode because he does what ever it takes to get them to let go of him and in the last year he has been twice charged with assualt after the staff grabbed him and he tried to get away. I have managed to get the charges dropped but am not getting much cooperation from the school on alternative

ways to deal with my son. My son's saving grace is his homeroom teacher- she has made it her mission to stick to my son's side and get him through any difficult situation. she uses humor and kindness to get my son to cooperate with her requests. But with other staff it is an uphill battle and I have had to call disability law center and have them explain to the school my son has a diagnosis of autism and that is the reason behind the behaviors they are seeing. so they need to find a positive way to deal with his behaviors they can't punish him for having a disability. I am hoping that this is a good step in working with the school to develop a more positive environment for my son. (but honestley I think some staff are mad at me for calling disability law center and making the school district bring in administration above that at the school and I am afraid it may make my son more of a target). always,

Michele

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[Guest guest]

Allie, I am in Alaska. My son is in 8th grade in a school for SED children. They really don't have any thing in place for a child with autism. My son also gets "manhandled" for not immediatley complying with staffs demands. (They do not understand that he needs time to move from one activity to another- and sometimes he just is too focused on what he is doing now to move on) This in turn starts a whole big episode because he does what ever it takes to get them to let go of him and in the last year he has been twice charged with assualt after the staff grabbed him and he tried to get away. I have managed to get the charges dropped but am not getting much cooperation from the school on alternative

ways to deal with my son. My son's saving grace is his homeroom teacher- she has made it her mission to stick to my son's side and get him through any difficult situation. she uses humor and kindness to get my son to cooperate with her requests. But with other staff it is an uphill battle and I have had to call disability law center and have them explain to the school my son has a diagnosis of autism and that is the reason behind the behaviors they are seeing. so they need to find a positive way to deal with his behaviors they can't punish him for having a disability. I am hoping that this is a good step in working with the school to develop a more positive environment for my son. (but honestley I think some staff are mad at me for calling disability law center and making the school district bring in administration above that at the school and I am afraid it may make my son more of a target). always,

Michele

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Heidi

What behviors did he have when he went in to SED we only have public

schools here. We have residential " live in schools and homes. But we

dont have speciality schools. All that is supposed to be incorporated

into the iep. MY son gets aggressive with frustration and sensory

overload. Its been a challenge to showt that the disability causes the

aggression. They say its random. But gee if he gets a poor, loses a

race, doesnt get a turn he gets upset. It doesnt sound random to me

[Guest guest]

Lets see, we had 65 elopements from school, hitting, throwing things,

hitting and kicking crisis teacher, threw a desk at a student, chairs,

many many chairs, He was a thrower at home, well and puncher and biting,

hair pulling.

After the school did the FBA, I was receiving daily behavior reports,

for a couple of reasons, to keep data, and well it was just a part of

the BIP. IT started getting kind of comicxal, the things he would come

up with to escape from doing any work. One day he sneezed all day.

Most days he would lay on the floor and not move. He also turned lights

on and off, opened and shut doors. He also would make noises, all day.

Stand on top of desks, you name it.

What got us the placement was the elopement issue. Well and he reacts

very negatively to how they dealt with him (mainly negative reinforcement.

Right now mainly we have refusals, reactions to brothers ASD, and

meltdowns because of communication issues. e.g. he is trying to get

something out, or was trying to talk and we just simply didn't know it.

allie340@... wrote:

> Heidi

> What behviors did he have when he went in to SED we only have public

> schools here. We have residential " live in schools and homes. But we

> dont have speciality schools. All that is supposed to be incorporated

> into the iep. MY son gets aggressive with frustration and sensory

> overload. Its been a challenge to showt that the disability causes the

> aggression. They say its random. But gee if he gets a poor, loses a

> race, doesnt get a turn he gets upset. It doesnt sound random to me

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh forgot to mention, we don't have a door left in the house b/c they

either have holes, or have been slammed so many times (not temper but

sensory), plus he tried to brake down mine when I left one of his

meltdowns to ignore.

Did I mention broken windshield and all paint scratched on car? Oh that

one wasn't a meltdown, we still don't know why he did that one, the docs

thought impulsivity bc of ASD stuff. None of the local Autism schools

would take him, mainly bc of his rather elaborate behavior intervention

plan. Also they are worried bc of elopement. He is verbal now, but

like I said before has bad comm issues at times.

allie340@... wrote:

> Heidi

> What behviors did he have when he went in to SED we only have public

> schools here. We have residential " live in schools and homes. But we

> dont have speciality schools. All that is supposed to be incorporated

> into the iep. MY son gets aggressive with frustration and sensory

> overload. Its been a challenge to showt that the disability causes the

> aggression. They say its random. But gee if he gets a poor, loses a

> race, doesnt get a turn he gets upset. It doesnt sound random to me

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

He had major behaviors; you name it--hitting, kicking, biting, screaming, tantruming, SIB (including handbiting and some headbanging), hair pulling, vomiting, etc.

SED classes are probably not appropriate for a lot of ASD kids, but for my child there were some positives: he needed verbal peer models, he needed peer models who would interact socially, and his behaviors ranked right up there with the other kids. You need to determine if your child's individual needs could be met in a current classroom situation without the classroom situation compromising HIS situation.

As always, FAPE applies...the school district MUST provide a Free and Appropriate Public Education. If they don't have it, they either have to find one or create one. By law, the child must receive whatever services he needs to be able to make educational progress.

HTH,

Heidi

-------------- Original message -------------- From: allie340@... > Heidi > What behviors did he have when he went in to SED we only have public > schools here. We have residential "live in schools and homes. But we > dont have speciality schools. All that is supposed to be incorporated > into the iep. MY son gets aggressive with frustration and sensory > overload. Its been a challenge to showt that the disability causes the > aggression. They say its random. But gee if he gets a poor, loses a > race, doesnt get a turn he gets upset. It doesnt sound random to me > > > > >

[Guest guest]

In land, if a child has a educational dx of Autism, they cannot be

placed in an ED program.

I didn't know this until my sons non-public placement CIEP mtg.

theshabbysheep@... wrote:

> It is my expert opinion that kids with autism should NOT be

> placed in a SED facility!

> R

>