Re: The Health Benefits Of Serrapeptase

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not sure why my message got formatted this way :-)

________________________________

From: " viola816@... " <Viola816@...>

" Longevity " <Longevity >

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

 

Our

body has incredible ability to clear up and heal itself, if we create right

condition.

Taking

the enzymes requires several hours fasting prior and after,

so

you eat less, and you drink water and you skip unnecessary snaking -

 that itself i think is a main reason the body

starts clearing up.

But

it's possible enzymes also play some role. The one i bought seams like all

dead.

I

did an experiment with it, i put some cheese in two cups with some water and

added

Serrapeptase into one of the cups.

Several

hours later no changes, both cups are identical, the enzymes are either dead,

or fake.

Unfortunately

(or fortunately) i don't have any scars or any pain to conclude if it works,

and i can't see my arteries inside if it's getting cleaner.

I

only ordered one bottle to try and see if it can help to bring my blood pressure

from 130/90 to normal 110 /70. So far no changes with my blood pressure.

I

am taking 3 capsules early morning, 2-3 hours before i eat anything.

________________________________

From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

" Longevity " <Longevity >

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

 

cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

 

....  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

    

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats why

> I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time or

> both.

> It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> everyone in hospice

> after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress is a

> fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

>

>

> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it

> would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is

> even more effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase

> (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> absorbed than serrapeptase).

>

> Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> for serrapeptase:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

>

> Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> agent:

>

> A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

>

> Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

> after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

>

> But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

> conducted?

>

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> the

> > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> pain

> > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> S.E.

> > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last

> 5

> > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> then

> > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> partly

> > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> spend

> > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> well

> > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> >

> > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> only

> > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> others

> > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> lack

> > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> >

> > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> least

> > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> and

> > the truth - at least in my perception.

> >

> > blessings

> > Shan

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> >

> > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> 618

> > > > hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > Velocity and

> > > >

> > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > >

> > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > about

> > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > general.

> > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > medical

> > > > > journals.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

not sure why my message got formatted this way :-)

________________________________

From: " viola816@... " <Viola816@...>

" Longevity " <Longevity >

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

 

Our

body has incredible ability to clear up and heal itself, if we create right

condition.

Taking

the enzymes requires several hours fasting prior and after,

so

you eat less, and you drink water and you skip unnecessary snaking -

 that itself i think is a main reason the body

starts clearing up.

But

it's possible enzymes also play some role. The one i bought seams like all

dead.

I

did an experiment with it, i put some cheese in two cups with some water and

added

Serrapeptase into one of the cups.

Several

hours later no changes, both cups are identical, the enzymes are either dead,

or fake.

Unfortunately

(or fortunately) i don't have any scars or any pain to conclude if it works,

and i can't see my arteries inside if it's getting cleaner.

I

only ordered one bottle to try and see if it can help to bring my blood pressure

from 130/90 to normal 110 /70. So far no changes with my blood pressure.

I

am taking 3 capsules early morning, 2-3 hours before i eat anything.

________________________________

From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

" Longevity " <Longevity >

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

 

cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

 

....  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

    

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats why

> I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time or

> both.

> It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug companies

> prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there are

> mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of curing

> everyone in hospice

> after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress is a

> fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

>

>

> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men, it

> would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for drug

> companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary which is

> even more effective but based on a similar method of action to serrapeptase

> (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> absorbed than serrapeptase).

>

> Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for free.

> That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop up

> for serrapeptase:

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

>

> Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an anti-inflammatory

> agent:

>

> A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

>

> Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and trismus

> after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

>

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

>

> But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for the

> treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever been

> conducted?

>

> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others, that

> > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one of

> the

> > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid of

> pain

> > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I can

> > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then another

> S.E.

> > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the last

> 5

> > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> then

> > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> partly

> > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it comes

> > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> spend

> > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> well

> > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all the

> > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> >

> > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you cannot

> > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however - life

> > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting urls

> > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody who

> > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact, if a

> > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable and

> > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> only

> > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> others

> > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due to

> lack

> > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> >

> > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids & scar

> > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this ridiculous

> > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no idea.

> > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to be

> > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant, pompous,

> > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to a

> > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> least

> > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final analysis,

> and

> > the truth - at least in my perception.

> >

> > blessings

> > Shan

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> >

> > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> 618

> > > > hits.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > >

> > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > Velocity and

> > > >

> > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > >

> > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > about

> > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > general.

> > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > medical

> > > > > journals.

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@ chuckfrasher

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > > 618

> > > > > > hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > > Velocity and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > > about

> > > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

> > reviewed

> > > > > > medical

> > > > > > > journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If you are only taking 3 capsules in the morning , you are not taking

enough - you will still have results in your body but not enough to notice

externally .... We are have a lot of toxins and just garbage in our blood and

the SE will take care of that first. You need to take more then your body needs

everyday for there to be enough to do more then just every day stuff. Also

according to a few studies, the SE only work for about 5 hours after you take

them. You cannot take them only in the morning and expect the SE to be working

all day or all night etc. The doctors whom use these in Europe and Japan etc say

to take the SE 3 times a day - but away from food.

blessings

Shan

> > > > >

> > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@ chuckfrasher

> > >

> > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > 618

> > > > > hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > Velocity and

> > > > >

> > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > about

> > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > general.

> > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > > medical

> > > > > > journals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Excuse me if I am a little skeptical about your claim.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> yes, advanced renal cancer.. It also cured my friends prostate cancer that

> had migrated into his hips and spine.

> read http://www.cancer-coverup.com/brewer/printbrewerreport.htm

>

>

> ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:03 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> What cured you of what? Are you saying that cesium chloride cured you of

> cancer?

>

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

> > cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

> > seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

> >

> >

> > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> > Longevity

> > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> >

> > You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

> > therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > **

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats

> > why

> > > I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> > > With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> > > success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time

> > or

> > > both.

> > > It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug

> companies

> > > prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> > > Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there

> are

> > > mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of

> curing

> > > everyone in hospice

> > > after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> > > cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress

> > is a

> > > fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

> > >

> > >

> > > ... How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> > > Longevity

> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > >

> > > If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men,

> > it

> > > would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for

> drug

> > > companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary

> which

> > is

> > > even more effective but based on a similar method of action to

> > serrapeptase

> > > (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> > > absorbed than serrapeptase).

> > >

> > > Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > >

> > > Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for

> free.

> > > That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> > > peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop

> up

> > > for serrapeptase:

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

> > >

> > > Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an

> anti-inflammatory

> > > agent:

> > >

> > > A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> > > post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

> > >

> > > Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and

> > trismus

> > > after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

> > >

> > > But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for

> the

> > > treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever

> > been

> > > conducted?

> > >

> > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > > > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others,

> > that

> > > > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one

> of

> > > the

> > > > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid

> of

> > > pain

> > > > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I

> > can

> > > > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then

> another

> > > S.E.

> > > > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the

> > last

> > > 5

> > > > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> > > then

> > > > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> > > partly

> > > > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > > > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it

> > comes

> > > > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> > > spend

> > > > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> > > well

> > > > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all

> the

> > > > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> > > >

> > > > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > > > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you

> > cannot

> > > > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however -

> > life

> > > > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting

> > urls

> > > > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody

> > who

> > > > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact,

> if

> > a

> > > > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable

> and

> > > > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> > > only

> > > > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> > > others

> > > > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due

> to

> > > lack

> > > > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > > > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> > > >

> > > > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids &

> > scar

> > > > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this

> ridiculous

> > > > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no

> > idea.

> > > > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to

> > be

> > > > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant,

> > pompous,

> > > > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > > > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to

> a

> > > > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> > > least

> > > > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final

> analysis,

> > > and

> > > > the truth - at least in my perception.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > > Shan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought

> up

> > > 618

> > > > > > hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > > Velocity and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are

> mistaken

> > > > about

> > > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements

> in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

> > reviewed

> > > > > > medical

> > > > > > > journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

" If you are only taking 3 capsules in the morning , you are not taking enough - "

Rubbish. I take 120,000 IU tablets, only one at a time. A massive dose in

itself. So if I took more than 3, I think that would be dangerous. Stop giving

stupid advice. The IU dosage is the most important factor here.

" you will still have results in your body but not enough to notice externally

..... "

Your body? Where?

" We are have a lot of toxins and just garbage in our blood "

Nonsense. Despite the tireless efforts of snakeoil salesmen trying to sell us

detox supplements by telling us we are all somehow toxic (I will rely on my

liver and my kidneys, not your snakeoil detox regimen), we are not toxic. Your

blood is not toxic.

Serrapeptase will not " detox " you. You do not need to be detoxed. The only toxic

thing in your body Shan are the thoughts you have while writing your ridiculous

posts to this forum.

" You need to take more then your body needs everyday for there to be enough to

do more then just every day stuff. "

On par with a Bush-ishm.

" Also according to a few studies, the SE only work for about 5 hours after you

take them. "

The half life of serrapeptase is unknown.

Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

If you are only taking 3 capsules in the morning , you are not taking

enough - you will still have results in your body but not enough to notice

externally .... We are have a lot of toxins and just garbage in our blood and

the SE will take care of that first. You need to take more then your body needs

everyday for there to be enough to do more then just every day stuff. Also

according to a few studies, the SE only work for about 5 hours after you take

them. You cannot take them only in the morning and expect the SE to be working

all day or all night etc. The doctors whom use these in Europe and Japan etc say

to take the SE 3 times a day - but away from food.

blessings

Shan

> > > > >

> > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@ chuckfrasher

> > >

> > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > 618

> > > > > hits.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > Velocity and

> > > > >

> > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > about

> > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > general.

> > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer reviewed

> > > > > medical

> > > > > > journals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Since October 2008 I take daily 9 capsules of Serrapeptase in 3 divided doses

- each capsule is 80,000 IU -- this equals 720,000 IU daily . I was actually

taking more then that in the beginning of 2008 but stopped for 2 weeks not

realizing that my blood was very thick and unfortunately had a stroke. However I

have not had a stroke since and have not stopped the serrapeptase again.

My doctor, whom is an also an MD by the way as well as having a slew of other

abbreviations after her name, suggested I take SE to clean my blood and make

sure I do not have a stroke again -- her father who is also an MD has been

taking SE for years to prevent having another stroke and it has been successful

too.

By the way, the dose to treat fibromyalgia is 500 capsules daily of a

systemic enzyme preparation. SE have also been used to treat cancer - both alone

as well as with Chemo [increases the effectiveness of chemo without the

additional side-effects] and also SE are used to treat cancer combined with

other alternative cancer treatments. When you kill cancer you get a lot of junk

in your blood and SE including Serrapeptase cleans the junk and toxins out -

this also helps support the liver etc. If you had done any research at all you

would know this. I have come to the conclusion that you deserve Barrett.

You waste my time and have nothing to give others but hot air.

Shan

>

> " If you are only taking 3 capsules in the morning , you are not taking enough

- "

>

> Rubbish. I take 120,000 IU tablets, only one at a time. A massive dose in

itself. So if I took more than 3, I think that would be dangerous. Stop giving

stupid advice. The IU dosage is the most important factor here.

>

> " you will still have results in your body but not enough to notice externally

..... "

>

> Your body? Where?

>

> " We are have a lot of toxins and just garbage in our blood "

>

> Nonsense. Despite the tireless efforts of snakeoil salesmen trying to sell us

detox supplements by telling us we are all somehow toxic (I will rely on my

liver and my kidneys, not your snakeoil detox regimen), we are not toxic. Your

blood is not toxic.

>

> Serrapeptase will not " detox " you. You do not need to be detoxed. The only

toxic thing in your body Shan are the thoughts you have while writing your

ridiculous posts to this forum.

>

> " You need to take more then your body needs everyday for there to be enough

to do more then just every day stuff. "

>

> On par with a Bush-ishm.

>

> " Also according to a few studies, the SE only work for about 5 hours after you

take them. "

>

> The half life of serrapeptase is unknown.

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: " Shan " <surpriseshan2@...>

> Sender:

[Guest guest]

By the way I have never seen serrapeptase in capsules nor tablets of 120,000

IU -- where did you get the tablets you say you take?

Well you say " The half life of serrapeptase is unknown. " -- more lies.

Shan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@ chuckfrasher

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > > 618

> > > > > > hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > > Velocity and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > > about

> > > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

reviewed

> > > > > > medical

> > > > > > > journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

" When you kill cancer you get a lot of junk in your blood and SE including

Serrapeptase cleans the junk and toxins out - this also helps support the liver

etc. If you had done any research at all you would know this. "

None of the research supports this.

" I have come to the conclusion that you deserve Barrett. You waste my

time and have nothing to give others but hot air. "

I have no interest in this Barrett person, who seems to me (after a little

poking around) to be a quack. Drop it.

I have been told to take it easy on you, since you are clearly suffering from

mental difficulties after your stroke. I apologise for your suffering.

Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Since October 2008 I take daily 9 capsules of Serrapeptase in 3 divided doses

- each capsule is 80,000 IU -- this equals 720,000 IU daily . I was actually

taking more then that in the beginning of 2008 but stopped for 2 weeks not

realizing that my blood was very thick and unfortunately had a stroke. However I

have not had a stroke since and have not stopped the serrapeptase again.

My doctor, whom is an also an MD by the way as well as having a slew of other

abbreviations after her name, suggested I take SE to clean my blood and make

sure I do not have a stroke again -- her father who is also an MD has been

taking SE for years to prevent having another stroke and it has been successful

too.

By the way, the dose to treat fibromyalgia is 500 capsules daily of a

systemic enzyme preparation. SE have also been used to treat cancer - both alone

as well as with Chemo [increases the effectiveness of chemo without the

additional side-effects] and also SE are used to treat cancer combined with

other alternative cancer treatments. When you kill cancer you get a lot of junk

in your blood and SE including Serrapeptase cleans the junk and toxins out -

this also helps support the liver etc. If you had done any research at all you

would know this. I have come to the conclusion that you deserve Barrett.

You waste my time and have nothing to give others but hot air.

Shan

>

> " If you are only taking 3 capsules in the morning , you are not taking enough

- "

>

> Rubbish. I take 120,000 IU tablets, only one at a time. A massive dose in

itself. So if I took more than 3, I think that would be dangerous. Stop giving

stupid advice. The IU dosage is the most important factor here.

>

> " you will still have results in your body but not enough to notice externally

..... "

>

> Your body? Where?

>

> " We are have a lot of toxins and just garbage in our blood "

>

> Nonsense. Despite the tireless efforts of snakeoil salesmen trying to sell us

detox supplements by telling us we are all somehow toxic (I will rely on my

liver and my kidneys, not your snakeoil detox regimen), we are not toxic. Your

blood is not toxic.

>

> Serrapeptase will not " detox " you. You do not need to be detoxed. The only

toxic thing in your body Shan are the thoughts you have while writing your

ridiculous posts to this forum.

>

> " You need to take more then your body needs everyday for there to be enough

to do more then just every day stuff. "

>

> On par with a Bush-ishm.

>

> " Also according to a few studies, the SE only work for about 5 hours after you

take them. "

>

> The half life of serrapeptase is unknown.

>

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: " Shan " <surpriseshan2@...>

> Sender:

[Guest guest]

http://www.iherb.com/m/Doctor-s-Best-Best-High-Potency-Serrapeptase-120-000-SPUs\

-90-Enteric-Coated-Veggie-Caps/23747?at=0

Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

By the way I have never seen serrapeptase in capsules nor tablets of 120,000

IU -- where did you get the tablets you say you take?

Well you say " The half life of serrapeptase is unknown. " -- more lies.

Shan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@ chuckfrasher

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > > 618

> > > > > > hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > > Velocity and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > > about

> > > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

reviewed

> > > > > > medical

> > > > > > > journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

You say: " Well you say " The half life of serrapeptase is unknown. " -- more

lies. "

Step 1: google " half life of serrapeptase "

Step 2: reconsider your statement

If you want to accuse someone of lies: back it up. Or, shut up.

The half life of serrapeptase is unknown.

Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

By the way I have never seen serrapeptase in capsules nor tablets of 120,000

IU -- where did you get the tablets you say you take?

Well you say " The half life of serrapeptase is unknown. " -- more lies.

Shan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@ chuckfrasher

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought up

> > > 618

> > > > > > hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > > Velocity and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are mistaken

> > > > about

> > > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

reviewed

> > > > > > medical

> > > > > > > journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

you werent here to watch it and all you hear is BS from the American Cancer

society so disbelief is to be expected.

Jerry was back on a horse in 3 months and couldn't remember when he had felt so

good.

Google Dr Simoncini, the Italian doctor who is curing cancer. You will only get

help from alternative medicine

chemo, radiation, and surgery are traumatic.

 

....  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

    

________________________________

From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

Longevity

Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:59 AM

Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

Excuse me if I am a little skeptical about your claim.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> yes, advanced renal cancer.. It also cured my friends prostate cancer that

> had migrated into his hips and spine.

>  read http://www.cancer-coverup.com/brewer/printbrewerreport.htm

>

>

> ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> Longevity

> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:03 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

>

> What cured you of what? Are you saying that cesium chloride cured you of

> cancer?

>

> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> wrote:

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > cured me and I was told I had a 5% chance

> > cured Jerry and he was told he had less than a year.

> > seems the bogus cures are the AMA cures

> >

> >

> > ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Chuck <chuckfrasher@...>

> > Longevity

> > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:46 AM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> >

> > You should be cynical by now of the bogus claims for cancer and other

> > therapies that simply have no evidence to support them.

> >

> > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > **

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dont think it could be an enzyme then. Food uses up serrapeptase thats

> > why

> > > I set my alarm and took it in the wee hours.

> > > With no competition absorption is fine. I suspect folks who had little

> > > success with serrapeptase took small quantities, took it near food time

> > or

> > > both.

> > > It would have to be cheap to compete with serrapeptase and drug

> companies

> > > prefer patented chemicals for profits.

> > > Thats why generics are something they market around. Just like there

> are

> > > mouse studies with 98% cancer cure rates and anecdotal evidence of

> curing

> > > everyone in hospice

> > > after they were written off yet " real doctors " pooh pooh ph therapy and

> > > cesium chloride. What? 35 years of war on cancer and the only progress

> > is a

> > > fleet of German cars in the parking lot? Maybe I am cynical.

> > >

> > >

> > > ...  How beautiful it is to do nothing, then rest afterwards

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: " hjooste@... " <hjooste@...>

> > > Longevity

> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:35 AM

> > >

> > > Subject: Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > >

> > > If an proteolytic enzyme could solve one of the biggest killers of men,

> > it

> > > would be an exciting prospect for researchers. It could also be for

> drug

> > > companies as well who could possibly develop something proprietary

> which

> > is

> > > even more effective but based on a similar method of action to

> > serrapeptase

> > > (for example something that could be swallowed with food and/or better

> > > absorbed than serrapeptase).

> > >

> > > Re: Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > >

> > > Pubmed is just a way for people to access peer reviewed studies for

> free.

> > > That's all. They have an archive of studies that have been published in

> > > peer reviewed scientific journals. Take a look at the studies that pop

> up

> > > for serrapeptase:

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=serrapeptase

> > >

> > > Here are a couple of studies showing serrapeptase as an

> anti-inflammatory

> > > agent:

> > >

> > > A multi-centre, double-blind study of serrapeptase versus placebo in

> > > post-antrotomy buccal swelling.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6366808

> > >

> > > Effect of the proteolytic enzyme serrapeptase on swelling, pain and

> > trismus

> > > after surgical extraction of mandibular third molars.

> > >

> > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18272344

> > >

> > > But there are none showing that serrapeptase has even been tested for

> the

> > > treatment of atherosclerosis. Could it be that no such study has ever

> > been

> > > conducted?

> > >

> > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Shan <surpriseshan2@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chuck, serrapeptase is what is called a " systemic enzyme " - systemic

> > > > enzymes eacg do the same thing though some do it better then others,

> > that

> > > > is all - or do one function better then the others. For example one

> of

> > > the

> > > > systemic enzymes is supposed to in studies be better at getting rid

> of

> > > pain

> > > > them the other systemic enzymes. I have not checked all the studies I

> > can

> > > > find to see which S.E. is slightly better at one function then

> another

> > > S.E.

> > > > - I am satisfied personally from what I have seen and read over the

> > last

> > > 5

> > > > years that serrapeptase if better at getting rid of pain, as claimed,

> > > then

> > > > the other systemic enzymes, however, I am not convinced of this 200%

> > > partly

> > > > because I am satisfied plus do not believe that any difference in

> > > > performance between serrapeptase and other systemic enzymes when it

> > comes

> > > > to pain is of great enough significance to make it worth my while to

> > > spend

> > > > a lot of additional time researching this. If anyone else wishes to -

> > > well

> > > > that would be good but honestly I am satisfied personally that all

> the

> > > > systemic enzymes are worth considering seriously.

> > > >

> > > > And by the way. I did post a couple of urls to a study that show that

> > > > systemic enzymes do fight inflammation.......check them out if you

> > cannot

> > > > find one [i do not know if this study is posted in Pubmed however -

> > life

> > > > does not begin and end in Pubmed]. I have no problem usually posting

> > urls

> > > > nor looking them up - but feel no need to prove anything to somebody

> > who

> > > > chooses Quackwatchers nor Barrett as their mentor. In fact,

> if

> > a

> > > > person wishes to convince themselves that Quackwatchers is reliable

> and

> > > > responsible -- well then I truly believe they deserve each other. The

> > > only

> > > > reason I would waste my time trying to enlighten them is because of

> > > others

> > > > in the group whom have not formed an opinion one way or another due

> to

> > > lack

> > > > of knowledge. I have very good reasons for my contempt and scorn plus

> > > > dislike of Barrett and all that he represents.

> > > >

> > > > And there are again many studies that show that SE " eat " fibroids &

> > scar

> > > > tissue, plaque , and other garbage in the blood. Where this

> ridiculous

> > > > notion came from that the studies needed to be in Pubmed, I have no

> > idea.

> > > > Personally I consider the idea that studies needed to be in Pubmed to

> > be

> > > > reliable as extremely naive, as well as short-sighted, arrogant,

> > pompous,

> > > > and well just plain dumb. But what I may or may not feel about about

> > > > something or someone is not important in my opinion when it comes to

> a

> > > > person evaluating what they wish to spend their money & time on - at

> > > least

> > > > in my perception. What is important are results, in the final

> analysis,

> > > and

> > > > the truth - at least in my perception.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > > Shan

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: the health benefits of SERRAPEPTASE

> > > > > > > Posted by: " Chuck " chuckfrasher@... chuckfrasher

> > > >

> > > > > > > Mon Jun 4, 2012 7:07 am (PDT)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here you go. I did a Pubmed search for pomegranate. It brought

> up

> > > 618

> > > > > > hits.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=pomegranate

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here's the first one:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Effects of *Pomegranate* Juice Supplementation on Pulse Wave

> > > > Velocity and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Blood Pressure in Healthy Young and Middle-aged Men and

> > > > > > > Women.<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22648092>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lynn A, Hamadeh H, Leung WC, JM, Barker ME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Plant Foods Hum Nutr. 2012 May 31. [Epub ahead of print]

> > > > > > > PMID:22648092

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I ran a search for arginine and got 98,499 hits. You are

> mistaken

> > > > about

> > > > > > > Pubmed and evidently about research on nutritional supplements

> in

> > > > > > general.

> > > > > > > There is a lot of research that has been published in peer

> > reviewed

> > > > > > medical

> > > > > > > journals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >