Guest guest Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Thanks for this interesting query Lesley, and to for following up. I would also be interested in hearing about whether it is the job of health visiting or the training that is off-putting as a career pathway for nursery nurses and other children's services colleagues. If it had been possible to do a degree in health visiting at the time you were doing your BA, would you have chosen that? It is of particular interest, as the NMC are just starting their review of the third part of the register and HV regulation.best wishesOn 30 Dec 2011, at 09:26, wrote: Dear LesleyThank you for your query. I would be very interested to know more about your thoughts on the different career options as part of a skill mix team. I'd be particularly interested to know: 'why not health visiting?'; is the requirement to complete nurse education first, a prohibitive factor?; what are the factors that highlight difference between the Nursery Nurse & Health Visitor career routes for you?I ask for two reasons. First I teach health visitors and providing parenting modules at the university where I'm employed. At the latter we've often have nursery nurses attending looking for something more to assist their role development. The second reason is that I'm involved in some research interested in all issues concerning recruitment to health visiting. I'd be happy for you to reply to me personally If you'd prefer kwhittaker1@...Kind regards WhittakerSenior LecturerUCLanSent from my iPadOn 29 Dec 2011, at 21:33, "macleanl21" <macleanl21@...> wrote: Hello I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself. As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career. If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight. Kind regards Lesley MacLean Cowleysarahcowley183@...http://myprofile.cos.com/S124021COn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011  Hi and Lesley I thought your email was very interesting Lesley as it is a conversation I have had on many occasions with Nursery Nurses who are very experienced in practice and who also have developed academically and have degrees. I was thinking they would be good candidates for the courses being run to lead to health visiting qualification for graduates with related degrees. I think the Universities are targeting those with degrees without professional qualifications but perhaps they need to widen the entry gate and look at nursery nurses as well. We just need to be brave and really accept that direct entry to health visiting through a range of options is the future! Margaret Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Dear Lesley Thank you for your query. I would be very interested to know more about your thoughts on the different career options as part of a skill mix team. I'd be particularly interested to know: 'why not health visiting?'; is the requirement to complete nurse education first, a prohibitive factor?; what are the factors that highlight difference between the Nursery Nurse & Health Visitor career routes for you? I ask for two reasons. First I teach health visitors and providing parenting modules at the university where I'm employed. At the latter we've often have nursery nurses attending looking for something more to assist their role development. The second reason is that I'm involved in some research interested in all issues concerning recruitment to health visiting. I'd be happy for you to reply to me personally If you'd prefer kwhittaker1@... Kind regards Whittaker Senior Lecturer UCLan Sent from my iPad On 29 Dec 2011, at 21:33, "macleanl21" <macleanl21@...> wrote: Hello I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself.As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career.If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight.Kind regardsLesley MacLean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011  HI Theresa Happy New year! Would love to see what you are doing - be very helpful for the leadership work Margaret Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Hi Lesley I am looking at the possibility of introducing these posts in Warwickshire with a defined career pathway for Community Nursery Nurses. I will send you the draft JD next week. Best wishes Theresa Sent from my iPhone On 29 Dec 2011, at 21:33, "macleanl21" <macleanl21@...> wrote: Hello I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier.I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself.As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career.If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight.Kind regardsLesley MacLean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Hi MargaretWould be lovely to talk to you too! Happy New Year!Guess what,....I have been invited to talk to the hv taskforce 23rd feb ......I cannot waitBest wishesTheresaSent from my iPhoneOn 31 Dec 2011, at 18:45, "Margaret Buttigieg" <margaret@...> wrote:  HI Theresa Happy New year! Would love to see what you are doing - be very helpful for the leadership work Margaret Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Hi Lesley I am looking at the possibility of introducing these posts in Warwickshire with a defined career pathway for Community Nursery Nurses. I will send you the draft JD next week. Best wishes Theresa Sent from my iPhone On 29 Dec 2011, at 21:33, "macleanl21" <macleanl21@...> wrote: Hello I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier.I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself.As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career.If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight.Kind regardsLesley MacLean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hi Lesley/, I’m intrigued that, like many of your nursery nurse colleagues, you have no desire to work as a health visitor but would wish to further your career and specialise in one particular area of child care. In the distant past it was hoped that it may be possible to develop specialist roles as a generalist health visitor indeed, the suggestion was that these specialisms could be developed and recruited to so that skills could be kept within teams. The shift however, seems to have been to value specialists over generalists and effectively remove them from the teams, ending up, rather like the Olympic rowers, responding to the injunctions of those on bicycles who were formerly in the boat doing the rowing. Perhaps if the Task Force could revisit this aspect of practice to allow HVs to develop particular aspects of their work whilst remaining as generalists then more nursery nurses would consider becoming health visitors. Perhaps the “sell,†to the commissioners would be that we can offer a range of Swiss Army knives that could be better adapted to meet local needs. Apologies for the metaphors and similes. New Year resolution to cut down. Best wishes, Terry McGinn From: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:26 AM Cc: lesley.maclean@... Subject: Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Dear Lesley Thank you for your query. I would be very interested to know more about your thoughts on the different career options as part of a skill mix team. I'd be particularly interested to know: 'why not health visiting?'; is the requirement to complete nurse education first, a prohibitive factor?; what are the factors that highlight difference between the Nursery Nurse & Health Visitor career routes for you? I ask for two reasons. First I teach health visitors and providing parenting modules at the university where I'm employed. At the latter we've often have nursery nurses attending looking for something more to assist their role development. The second reason is that I'm involved in some research interested in all issues concerning recruitment to health visiting. I'd be happy for you to reply to me personally If you'd prefer kwhittaker1@... Kind regards Whittaker Senior Lecturer UCLan Sent from my iPad On 29 Dec 2011, at 21:33, "macleanl21" <macleanl21@...> wrote: Hello I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself.As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career.If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at mailto:lesley.maclean%40nhs.net it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight.Kind regardsLesley MacLean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks Terry; always enjoy your metaphors Happy New Year From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of TERRY MCGINN Sent: 01 January 2012 21:19 Subject: Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Hi Lesley/, I’m intrigued that, like many of your nursery nurse colleagues, you have no desire to work as a health visitor but would wish to further your career and specialise in one particular area of child care. In the distant past it was hoped that it may be possible to develop specialist roles as a generalist health visitor indeed, the suggestion was that these specialisms could be developed and recruited to so that skills could be kept within teams. The shift however, seems to have been to value specialists over generalists and effectively remove them from the teams, ending up, rather like the Olympic rowers, responding to the injunctions of those on bicycles who were formerly in the boat doing the rowing. Perhaps if the Task Force could revisit this aspect of practice to allow HVs to develop particular aspects of their work whilst remaining as generalists then more nursery nurses would consider becoming health visitors. Perhaps the “sell,” to the commissioners would be that we can offer a range of Swiss Army knives that could be better adapted to meet local needs. Apologies for the metaphors and similes. New Year resolution to cut down. Best wishes, Terry McGinn From: Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:26 AM Cc: lesley.maclean@... Subject: Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Dear Lesley Thank you for your query. I would be very interested to know more about your thoughts on the different career options as part of a skill mix team. I'd be particularly interested to know: 'why not health visiting?'; is the requirement to complete nurse education first, a prohibitive factor?; what are the factors that highlight difference between the Nursery Nurse & Health Visitor career routes for you? I ask for two reasons. First I teach health visitors and providing parenting modules at the university where I'm employed. At the latter we've often have nursery nurses attending looking for something more to assist their role development. The second reason is that I'm involved in some research interested in all issues concerning recruitment to health visiting. I'd be happy for you to reply to me personally If you'd prefer kwhittaker1@... Kind regards Whittaker Senior Lecturer UCLan Sent from my iPad On 29 Dec 2011, at 21:33, " macleanl21 " <macleanl21@...> wrote: Hello I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself. As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career. If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at mailto:lesley.maclean%40nhs.net it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight. Kind regards Lesley MacLean size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#a0a0a0" align=center> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1416 / Virus Database: 2109/4118 - Release Date: 01/02/12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hi I've emailed you at your BT internet address but will also post of copy of the email up here too. Kind regards Lesley > > > Hello > > > > I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. > > > > I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself. > > > > As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career. > > > > If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Lesley MacLean > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hello Theresa I would really appreciate that, thank you for taking the time to read the posting and respond to me. Kind regards Lesley > > > Hello > > > > I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. > > > > I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself. > > > > As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career. > > > > If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Lesley MacLean > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Hello Terry I did post a very long winded reply to but the short reply is I think nursery nursing is a valid career/profession in itself and we have to become better at stating that - compulsory registration and training standards would go a long way to help. In addition I don't want to spend another 6 years training to become a quasi-social worker and get further removed from what I love to do and am good at. I see so many of my HV colleagues struggle with less clearly defined roles which seem to involve them taking on increasing amounts of social work issues and moving them further away from health and the role they were trained to do. ( I was employed in social work and have no desire to go back!) kind regards Lesley Ps I like a good metaphor - I have made the resolution to use fewer brackets and exclamation marks - it's not working out so well.... > > > > Hello > > I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. > > I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself. > > As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career. > > If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at mailto:lesley.maclean%40nhs.net it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight. > > Kind regards > > Lesley MacLean > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Hello, Lesley, I don't think that your reply was long-winded. Indeed I think it was extremely interesting and enlightening and very much reflects my own views on what nursery nurses should be doing in skill mix teams. Back in the mid-nineties our health visiting service in Enfield ran a parenting support project and we employed two excellent nursery nurses as an addition to the health visiting team. They both had degrees although, if I remember correctly not in a child care related field. There weren't many early years degree courses about then, I think. They had wonderful skills helping parents with the sorts of interventions that you describe. We (the HVs) would refer families to them who required extra support, perhaps on a weekly basis to help them with some parenting difficulty i.e. potty training, weaning, behavioural difficulties etc. They were an excellent resource for the team. Eventually the money ran out and the project ended with everyone agreeing as to its success. Later, however, when health visitors became more scarce other nursery nurses were added to the team. I think their role has probably now evolved into what you describe. Perhaps when we have grown in numbers again nursery nurses will still be employed as additions to the team with full respect for the additional skills that they bring. Best wishes, Re: Senior Nursery Nurses Hello TerryI did post a very long winded reply to but the short reply is I think nursery nursing is a valid career/profession in itself and we have to become better at stating that - compulsory registration and training standards would go a long way to help.In addition I don't want to spend another 6 years training to become a quasi-social worker and get further removed from what I love to do and am good at. I see so many of my HV colleagues struggle with less clearly defined roles which seem to involve them taking on increasing amounts of social work issues and moving them further away from health and the role they were trained to do. ( I was employed in social work and have no desire to go back!)kind regardsLesleyPs I like a good metaphor - I have made the resolution to use fewer brackets and exclamation marks - it's not working out so well....> > > > Hello > > I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier.> > I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself.> > As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career.> > If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at mailto:lesley.maclean%40nhs.net it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight.> > Kind regards> > Lesley MacLean>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6768 (20120104) __________The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hello Theresa Just wondered if you had the chance to look at the job descriptions - I've got a meeting with my line manager and professional lead next week. kind regards Lesley > > > Hello > > > > I am a nursery nurse working with a large Public Health Team in the Highlands. I have searched the forum for messages regarding Senior Nursery Nurses and skill mix before posting this but I apologise if this is something which has been discussed earlier. > > > > I am looking for information or contacts for Senior Community Nursery Nurses within the NHS. I am extremely keen to develop my role as a Nursery Nurse but I do not want to go down the route of nurse then HV training, with all due respect to my HV colleagues, I feel that nursery nursing is a career in itself. > > > > As with so many of us in the NHS I have paid for a lot of my own training, I have a BA in Child and Youth Studies and have recently completed the Southampton Sleep Practitioner course (sleep is one of the areas I want to specialise in and I thoroughly recommend the course to anyone) but I am looking for the next step for my career. > > > > If anyone could put me in contact with other Senior Community Nursery Nurses or are able to send me a job description for one I would be most grateful. If you could email me at lesley.maclean@... it would be better as our IT system blocks the Senate sight. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Lesley MacLean > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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